| mhall119 | okay, so I've got a small Python+Gtk app, now I want to make sure it's accessible, where should I start? | 02:59 |
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| UndiFineD | mhall119, heh maybe by reading hajour 's wiki :D | 03:06 |
| hajour | hehe | 03:06 |
| hajour | attachment accessibility | 03:07 |
| hajour | hee Cheri703 | 03:07 |
| UndiFineD | mhall119, font size scalable ? suitable for simon ? braille ? speech dispatcher ? dasher ? | 03:08 |
| UndiFineD | color schemes | 03:08 |
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| UndiFineD | what sort of app is it mhall119 ? | 03:09 |
| mhall119 | UndiFineD: no font, it's a panel with buttons | 03:11 |
| mhall119 | buttons have tooltips though | 03:11 |
| mhall119 | UndiFineD: got a link to hajour's wiki? | 03:11 |
| UndiFineD | does it plug-in with dbus / at-spi ? | 03:12 |
| mhall119 | not any part that I did | 03:12 |
| UndiFineD | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/hajour | 03:12 |
| mhall119 | I thought gtk was already at-spi enabled | 03:12 |
| UndiFineD | well, I am not sure, but I think that is needed to have text read out to you | 03:13 |
| mhall119 | I'll have to test it with orca | 03:13 |
| UndiFineD | be sure that colors are not close to another, for some red and green is same | 03:14 |
| mhall119 | it should be using just the gtk theme | 03:14 |
| UndiFineD | like black on black | 03:14 |
| UndiFineD | do you have a screenshot ? | 03:15 |
| UndiFineD | it would make it easier :) | 03:15 |
| mhall119 | yeah, one second | 03:15 |
| mhall119 | http://img718.imageshack.us/i/xdglauncher.png/ | 03:15 |
| mhall119 | bottom panel | 03:16 |
| hajour | mhall119, make the colors from the applications must be contrast from each other and background | 03:16 |
| mhall119 | it's just gtk buttons, I'm not doing any special visual stuff, so if the user's theme is visually accessible, then mine should be the same | 03:16 |
| mhall119 | I just wasn't sure if there was something I had to do to make the button's tooltip text available to screen readers | 03:17 |
| mhall119 | or what other accessible considerations I need to think of | 03:17 |
| UndiFineD | the first icon, orange and yellow are to close to eachother | 03:18 |
| mhall119 | that's the applications icon though, from it's .desktop file | 03:18 |
| mhall119 | I'm not sure if there's an accessible icon theme that would have an alternative | 03:19 |
| mhall119 | are there any good accessible icon themes? | 03:19 |
| UndiFineD | the fourth icon, brain, might noth be recognisable as one , lines are maybe to fine | 03:19 |
| mhall119 | again, I didn't make the art, I'm just displaying the icon specified in the app's .desktop file | 03:19 |
| UndiFineD | the sudoku icon, purple on grey is hard to make out | 03:20 |
| UndiFineD | I do not know if there are accessible icons | 03:20 |
| mhall119 | and the actual buttons show will depend on the runtime parameters, this app will show any set of items from the menu | 03:20 |
| mhall119 | the screenshot is just it running against the /Games menu | 03:20 |
| mhall119 | hajour: do you know or any good accessible icon themes? | 03:21 |
| UndiFineD | mhall119, hajour is my gf :) | 03:21 |
| mhall119 | that wouldn't preclude her from knowing of any ;) | 03:22 |
| UndiFineD | true | 03:22 |
| hajour | i talk to UndiFineD he typ what i say | 03:22 |
| mhall119 | ah, ok, see that would make a difference | 03:22 |
| mhall119 | did I meet either of you at UDS-N? | 03:22 |
| UndiFineD | I was remotely there, listening to a lot of sessions | 03:23 |
| mhall119 | ok | 03:23 |
| mhall119 | I'm the guy making Qimo | 03:23 |
| mhall119 | you probably heard me talking as several points | 03:23 |
| hajour | i am just here from 30-11-2010 on ubuntu | 03:23 |
| UndiFineD | very likely | 03:23 |
| UndiFineD | after much persuasion | 03:24 |
| hajour | for the accessibility part | 03:24 |
| UndiFineD | hajour, has now become actively involved | 03:24 |
| hajour | mhall119, is it possible to design new icons here? | 03:24 |
| UndiFineD | mhall119, so you do a lot for kids stuff | 03:25 |
| UndiFineD | that must be fun | 03:25 |
| hajour | i have set up the speechcontrol team 7 ore 8 days ago | 03:25 |
| mhall119 | hajour: possible, but time would be a constraint | 03:25 |
| mhall119 | UndiFineD: it is :) | 03:25 |
| UndiFineD | we have four of our own | 03:25 |
| mhall119 | heh, no thanks, 2 is plenty | 03:26 |
| hajour | we got 4 girls | 03:26 |
| UndiFineD | :D | 03:26 |
| mhall119 | hajour: if I do any custom icons, it'll only cover the default games we include in Qimo | 03:26 |
| mhall119 | hajour: oh, I'm so sorry | 03:26 |
| mhall119 | boys are easier | 03:26 |
| hajour | lol | 03:27 |
| mhall119 | well, that's what I'm told anyway | 03:27 |
| mhall119 | both of mine are a handful | 03:27 |
| hajour | hehe | 03:27 |
| mhall119 | one of each | 03:27 |
| UndiFineD | unless they fight ... | 03:27 |
| mhall119 | but MichelleQ has probably already told you about them | 03:27 |
| hajour | have you a link from icons mhall119 ? | 03:27 |
| mhall119 | unless? there's a time when they don't fight? how does that happen? | 03:27 |
| mhall119 | hajour: what do you mean? | 03:27 |
| hajour | a link where icons stand to look ore there are good icons to use what we already have | 03:28 |
| UndiFineD | mhall119, yes, they do not fight when they think you 're not around | 03:28 |
| mhall119 | UndiFineD: not mine | 03:28 |
| UndiFineD | then suddenly they can be sweet | 03:29 |
| hajour | i just set up my angry eyes hehe | 03:29 |
| mhall119 | hajour: my app just pulls entries from the menu, and displays the same icon and text used by the menu | 03:29 |
| mhall119 | my apps doesn't itself have any artwork | 03:29 |
| UndiFineD | so an accessible icon theme ... :) | 03:29 |
| UndiFineD | I have to charter some artists | 03:29 |
| hajour | we go look what we can do mhall119 | 03:32 |
| mhall119 | thanks, I appreciate the help | 03:33 |
| hajour | already busy with it | 03:33 |
| hajour | your welcome | 03:33 |
| mhall119 | I know charlie-tca was looking for a new icon theme for xubuntu, so maybe he's seen some that are better than others | 03:33 |
| UndiFineD | ok I will ask when I see him | 03:33 |
| hajour | we let you now when we know more mhall119 :) | 03:34 |
| hajour | i just cal you then in this room :) | 03:34 |
| mhall119 | sure, I'll stay logged in | 03:35 |
| hajour | ore UndiFineD | 03:35 |
| hajour | til later mhall119 :) | 03:35 |
| mhall119 | good night | 03:35 |
| hajour | good night mhall119 | 03:36 |
| mhall119 | hajour: you have dyslexia? | 03:46 |
| UndiFineD | yes she does | 03:46 |
| UndiFineD | so do our daughters | 03:47 |
| UndiFineD | and ech somewhat differs :P | 03:47 |
| mhall119 | I'm thinking of using this font as the default for Qimo: http://www.sil.org/computing/catalog/show_software.asp?id=119 | 03:47 |
| mhall119 | it's supposed to help make reading easier for people with dyslexia | 03:47 |
| mhall119 | and also early-readers in general | 03:47 |
| mhall119 | but, I'm not really sure how to test to make sure that's true | 03:48 |
| mhall119 | I tried using it myself, and found it decent enough | 03:48 |
| mhall119 | also, it has the option to use different glyphs for some letters, to make them less similar, but I'm not sure which alternates are good | 03:49 |
| UndiFineD | it is playful | 03:50 |
| UndiFineD | just changed my titlebars into it | 03:50 |
| mhall119 | http://scripts.sil.org/cms/scripts/page.php?&item_id=andika has some examples | 03:50 |
| UndiFineD | our eldest daughter would have trouble with it | 03:52 |
| UndiFineD | too many curves make the letters seem as one | 03:52 |
| UndiFineD | letters seem to dance | 03:54 |
| mhall119 | is it more curvy than most? | 03:54 |
| mhall119 | how about the new Ubuntu font, how's that for dyslexics? | 03:54 |
| UndiFineD | we mostly use Ubuntu font :) | 03:54 |
| UndiFineD | really nice | 03:54 |
| mhall119 | okay, maybe I'll use that | 03:54 |
| mhall119 | I'll probably include both at least | 03:55 |
| mhall119 | just not sure which to use as default | 03:55 |
| UndiFineD | not too small letters | 03:55 |
| UndiFineD | 12px is alright | 03:55 |
| mhall119 | ok | 03:55 |
| mhall119 | I liked andika's spacing, it seemed to give letters more room | 03:55 |
| mhall119 | especially in the vertical space | 03:56 |
| UndiFineD | but I find the font bugging around 14px | 03:56 |
| mhall119 | the ubuntu font you mean? | 03:56 |
| UndiFineD | yep | 03:56 |
| UndiFineD | half letters | 03:56 |
| mhall119 | :( | 03:56 |
| UndiFineD | like the g | 03:57 |
| hajour | i use font size 16 | 03:57 |
| UndiFineD | the curl at the bottom is sometimes lost | 03:57 |
| hajour | UndiFineD, already reported that | 03:59 |
| Pendulum | AlanBell: no more bugs on website stuff (this includes wiki), remember? this was why we needed a liason with the design team. Someone needs to poke alejandra about it | 13:13 |
| AlanBell | oops | 14:04 |
| Pendulum | AlanBell: s'cool. I'm going to talk to phillw about it when he gets online | 14:06 |
| UndiFineD | Pendulum, that might be a while, i think he just fell asleep | 14:08 |
| AlanBell | I kind of wanted to point out the same issues being raised by other people independently | 14:11 |
| AlanBell | and tell those who raised them that it is a known problem | 14:12 |
| UndiFineD | Pendulum, AlanBell here is head_victim :) | 14:12 |
| head_victim | Hi? | 14:12 |
| UndiFineD | he might be able to help as phillw is out | 14:13 |
| head_victim | What's the problem? | 14:13 |
| Pendulum | UndiFineD: phillw is supposed to be liasing with the desgin team on website issues. that's why I'm poking him | 14:13 |
| UndiFineD | so ... head_victim cannot help in this ? | 14:15 |
| Pendulum | UndiFineD: no. | 14:15 |
| Pendulum | sorry head_victim | 14:15 |
| UndiFineD | :( | 14:15 |
| head_victim | That's ok | 14:15 |
| hajour | AlanBell, can i talk to you for a moment.its not about the speechcontrol but about accessibility.:) | 21:33 |
| AlanBell | sure hajour | 21:37 |
| hajour | AlanBell, i was ask to give advice to mhall119 .for his small Python+Gtk app | 21:38 |
| AlanBell | ok | 21:38 |
| AlanBell | what does it do? | 21:39 |
| hajour | but he need other buttons on that.because of this . a light purple background on a button application with a almost same light color. | 21:39 |
| UndiFineD | http://img718.imageshack.us/i/xdglauncher.png/ | 21:40 |
| hajour | colorblind can not see that | 21:40 |
| UndiFineD | accessible icons | 21:40 |
| hajour | so i was asking in design for a advice where to find other icons | 21:41 |
| hajour | but i get no respons at all | 21:41 |
| AlanBell | ok, firstly there is a totally awesome compiz plugin for simulating colour blindness | 21:41 |
| AlanBell | so you can see what a colour blind person would see | 21:41 |
| UndiFineD | accessible tooltips | 21:41 |
| AlanBell | sometimes you can fix an image by tweaking the color balance and adjusting the level of blue or something like that | 21:42 |
| hajour | there where 24 persons in that room and i know a part of them where here on ubuntu doing things | 21:42 |
| hajour | a ok | 21:42 |
| AlanBell | wikimedia commons is a great source of Free artwork and icons | 21:43 |
| hajour | because there is need to be greater contrast true the colors | 21:43 |
| AlanBell | http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Nuvola_icons | 21:43 |
| hajour | thank you AlanBell | 21:43 |
| UndiFineD | mhall119, are you watching this ? | 21:44 |
| hajour | ii know what they can see.i have asked when i was young on my cousin.he is colorblind | 21:44 |
| AlanBell | protanopia is the most common type, that is a lack of perception of red | 21:45 |
| AlanBell | so as long as two colours have different blue and green values they can be seen | 21:45 |
| hajour | but this link is very useful to give to people who need to change ore choose this kind of things | 21:46 |
| hajour | AlanBell, just a idea.but why not mail the link to everyone in ubuntu | 21:47 |
| AlanBell | I don't think everyone would like that | 21:48 |
| hajour | people who now not yet make things because they have not have enough knowledge.are possible later in time do make things/programs enz | 21:50 |
| AlanBell | that is what the personas are for | 21:51 |
| AlanBell | educational outreach to developers | 21:51 |
| hajour | then it is good to put this link to the faisal persona i think | 21:51 |
| hajour | if i remember good he was colorblind | 21:52 |
| AlanBell | there is information on that one already about the compiz plugin | 21:52 |
| AlanBell | the Nuvola stuff has no special significance relating to colour blindness, just a bunch of pretty icons | 21:53 |
| hajour | yes it was faisal .just have checkt | 21:53 |
| hajour | stil mhall119 was not knowing about it and he is in the accessibility team if i am correct | 21:55 |
| mhall119 | AlanBell: my problem is that I'm displaying .desktop entries | 21:56 |
| mhall119 | which supply their own icon | 21:56 |
| hajour | i think it should be useful to have a page for that where that is put in | 21:56 |
| mhall119 | so I would need an entire and complete accessible icon theme | 21:57 |
| mhall119 | which I don't think is feasible at this point | 21:57 |
| hajour | i have asked in design but i dont have get any respons | 21:57 |
| AlanBell | mhall119: ah, gotcha | 21:57 |
| mhall119 | mostly I wanted to make sure my apps was navigable/discoverable with screen readers | 21:57 |
| AlanBell | ok, have you tried running it with orca? | 21:57 |
| mhall119 | hajour: it would have to cover any icon any app could possibly choose, far too large in scope | 21:58 |
| mhall119 | AlanBell: not yet, I've never used Orca before | 21:58 |
| AlanBell | ok, give it a go, it is tricky | 21:58 |
| AlanBell | I would like to make this stuff simple enough for sighted people to use | 21:59 |
| mhall119 | okay, upon running orca, it asks for the desired speech server, default, espeak or dummy | 21:59 |
| AlanBell | espeak | 21:59 |
| AlanBell | or default | 21:59 |
| mhall119 | enable echo by word? | 21:59 |
| mhall119 | what does that mean? | 21:59 |
| AlanBell | mhall119: you should at this point turn off your monitor | 21:59 |
| mhall119 | orca isn't even configured yet | 22:00 |
| AlanBell | echo by word is having it read back to you what you type when you hit space | 22:00 |
| mhall119 | ok | 22:00 |
| AlanBell | mhall119: tough! | 22:00 |
| mhall119 | oh geez, I've got to log out of gnome now? | 22:01 |
| mhall119 | man, if orca is the pinnacle of accessibility, y'all got your work cut out for you huh? | 22:02 |
| AlanBell | fraid so | 22:02 |
| mhall119 | okay, let me log out and back in and see what happens | 22:02 |
| hajour | mm AlanBell is the bug already fixt from orca with the echo? | 22:02 |
| AlanBell | hajour: I don't know about that bug | 22:03 |
| hajour | you 2 the same words true each other | 22:04 |
| hajour | i have told it and it should reported.i not know how to tell in a bug report | 22:04 |
| hajour | to explain | 22:05 |
| AlanBell | can you make a recording of it? | 22:05 |
| hajour | its not only by use but i have heard many complain about that | 22:05 |
| mhall119 | okay, orca is consuming 100% cpu | 22:05 |
| mhall119 | and audio is like talking on a cell phone in 1980 | 22:05 |
| hajour | UndiFineD, says he go to try it | 22:05 |
| UndiFineD | AlanBell, I can try, but chance is high I get logged out in an hour, so need to save stuff first | 22:06 |
| hajour | he is busy with it now | 22:06 |
| hajour | o yes that happend the last time we where running orca | 22:07 |
| AlanBell | mhall119: the audio is a bit rubbish, in theory it should be possible to use a much higher quality voice, one that would not fit on the standard CD | 22:07 |
| mhall119 | okay, I'm killing orca | 22:07 |
| charlie-tca | mhall119: sometimes killing and then restarting at-spi-registryd will fix the 100% cpu thing | 22:07 |
| mhall119 | I haven't been able to understand a word it's said | 22:07 |
| hajour | yes because of the echo mhall119 | 22:07 |
| AlanBell | it should start with "welcome to orca" | 22:07 |
| charlie-tca | And this is the best we have for the blind user! | 22:07 |
| hajour | mmm yes | 22:07 |
| hajour | thats why we are busy with the new speechprogram AlanBell UndiFineD and i | 22:08 |
| hajour | aand the rest of the team | 22:08 |
| hajour | we all working hard about it | 22:09 |
| hajour | charlie-tca, i have asked for help in science but also there i get no respons | 22:09 |
| hajour | i mean if they have no time then its polite to say that i think | 22:10 |
| charlie-tca | In the meantime, we do have to have orca for the users, though | 22:11 |
| hajour | then the echo have to be fixed and the crash after using orca from the pc | 22:11 |
| mhall119 | I get like 1/4 second sound whenever I put my mouse over something | 22:12 |
| mhall119 | it mostly just sounds like a tapping | 22:12 |
| AlanBell | in the orca preferences you can tell it not to speak the object under the mouse | 22:12 |
| charlie-tca | I have used orca, there are many adjustments available in it. I have not gotten the echo, myself | 22:12 |
| hajour | now we have a big chance i am ofline here in a few time because orca is running now | 22:12 |
| mhall119 | so far I haven't managed to get anything that doesn't sound like random noice | 22:13 |
| mhall119 | noise | 22:13 |
| hajour | i have heard many complains about that charlie-tca the echo from people | 22:13 |
| hajour | same here mhall119 | 22:14 |
| AlanBell | let me record a bit, it isn't *that* bad | 22:14 |
| hajour | UndiFineD, has just lost his desktop now because of orca | 22:14 |
| mhall119 | okay, so this is going to sound harsh, but if orca is this bad, is there really any point in me spending time worrying about my app working with it? | 22:14 |
| mhall119 | AlanBell: on my laptop it is | 22:15 |
| hajour | after starting from audio | 22:15 |
| hajour | :( UndiFineD is busy to try to fix his pc now | 22:16 |
| charlie-tca | Orca is only important if you are calling it accessible | 22:16 |
| mhall119 | you say it should say "Welcome to Orca" | 22:16 |
| UndiFineD | ok, no way to record audio ... after starting audacity ocra crashed | 22:16 |
| mhall119 | I get "weh" and that's it | 22:16 |
| UndiFineD | I just restarted at-spiregistryd as suggested | 22:16 |
| UndiFineD | it is 23:16 when it happened, so in an hour I expect to be logged out | 22:17 |
| mhall119 | hold crap the man page for at-spi-registryd is all kinds of messed up | 22:17 |
| hajour | i have told it often but if they dont believe you .it has no use to repeat it every time thought | 22:18 |
| hajour | so that means in about a hour UndiFineD is not here anymore because of orca | 22:19 |
| hajour | mm it just happend | 22:19 |
| hajour | faster then we thought | 22:20 |
| AlanBell | http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/orca.ogg | 22:20 |
| charlie-tca | AlanBell: is that faster than default? | 22:21 |
| AlanBell | no | 22:21 |
| AlanBell | I am not a speed listener | 22:21 |
| AlanBell | I understand some blind people can listen at x6 | 22:22 |
| hajour | sorry but i cant hear a word from it.yes i hear sound but its not understandable | 22:22 |
| charlie-tca | I seem to listen slow here | 22:22 |
| AlanBell | hajour: it gets more understandable later in the file when I tweak the preferences a bit | 22:22 |
| charlie-tca | I can understand almost every word. Perhaps it is not orca but the speakers? | 22:22 |
| AlanBell | oh and that is a bit of a rubbish recording | 22:23 |
| AlanBell | I just pointed my webcam at the speakers and recorded via audacity | 22:23 |
| mhall119 | AlanBell: that's about 100x better than what I was getting | 22:23 |
| hajour | and then the fact the crash from the pc here wo have running orca jut a moment ago.and that is the second time this happend | 22:23 |
| charlie-tca | the speakers and sound card can make a difference, I believe. | 22:24 |
| charlie-tca | Of three speaker sets, I have one that is almost clear with orca, even though I can hear music from all three sets. | 22:25 |
| hajour | we have a surround speakers on the pc from UndiFineD | 22:26 |
| UndiFineD | o/ | 22:26 |
| UndiFineD | I love orca for this | 22:26 |
| charlie-tca | Does the voice always come from the same speaker on those, or does it bounce around? | 22:26 |
| UndiFineD | this happens to me every time | 22:26 |
| charlie-tca | yes, orca will crash the system ... | 22:27 |
| hajour | it was not the second i just heard from UndiFineD but a lot more times | 22:27 |
| mhall119 | espeak works find on the command line | 22:27 |
| UndiFineD | orca only comes from the 3 front speakers | 22:27 |
| mhall119 | but orca doesn't get past the firsy syllable | 22:27 |
| mhall119 | and I rarely get more than just a tapping sound | 22:28 |
| hajour | orca must be good for all people not a few | 22:28 |
| UndiFineD | the really weird part is I get logged out, why does it do that .. I have 3,5 GB memory and always enough too spare | 22:30 |
| UndiFineD | it is not CPU power | 22:31 |
| charlie-tca | I wonder what is really conflicting for you? | 22:31 |
| UndiFineD | I have an offboard audio card recently bought creative one | 22:31 |
| charlie-tca | Have you filed a bug for it? and is there a valgrind and stacktrace for it? | 22:31 |
| mhall119 | does orca even work with Xfce? | 22:33 |
| mhall119 | or is it Gnome only? | 22:33 |
| charlie-tca | yes, it works with xfce | 22:33 |
| UndiFineD | no crash report | 22:34 |
| mhall119 | I gotta be honest, this hasn't made me eager to focus on accessibility | 22:34 |
| mhall119 | :( | 22:34 |
| AlanBell | doesn't make people eager to be blind either | 22:35 |
| mhall119 | yeah, having a choice makes my life easier, I know | 22:35 |
| hajour | mhall119, we (our team ) are working on it many hours for the new speechprogram | 22:35 |
| mhall119 | but my time is still finite, and I can either work towards attainable goals, or unattainable ones | 22:35 |
| hajour | AlanBell, have put in also many hours for that | 22:35 |
| mhall119 | hajour: what's it written in? | 22:36 |
| UndiFineD | mhall119, most likely to be an extention on simon listens | 22:36 |
| AlanBell | oooh, I have openMary working | 22:36 |
| hajour | we should appreciate if the 1 from vedix would help us with a part | 22:36 |
| UndiFineD | c / c++ / python | 22:36 |
| hajour | great AlanBell | 22:37 |
| hajour | mm sorry vedics | 22:37 |
| AlanBell | mhall119: attainable goals are the best ones | 22:37 |
| mhall119 | well, I can offer help on the python part of it | 22:37 |
| AlanBell | mhall119: and you can ask here for other people to test your applications | 22:37 |
| hajour | that should be wonderful mhall119 | 22:38 |
| mhall119 | thanks AlanBell | 22:38 |
| UndiFineD | I happily crash again :P | 22:38 |
| hajour | lol | 22:38 |
| mhall119 | I've got to rename my application, then I'll ask for testers | 22:38 |
| AlanBell | I have 4 fantastic voices working | 22:38 |
| AlanBell | although one does sound a bit stoned | 22:38 |
| hajour | lol | 22:39 |
| hajour | o btw if it is necessary the European part of ubuntu is willing to help with the voices.many country s | 22:41 |
| hajour | already have talked about it | 22:42 |
| hajour | for encase when it is time it can be done | 22:42 |
| hajour | just for information | 22:43 |
| hajour | hehe if i am not in chat from speechcontrol i do that sort of things | 22:44 |
| AlanBell | http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/openmary.ogg | 22:44 |
| AlanBell | you can hear me typing the text for the next voice as I go through all four | 22:45 |
| hajour | first voice sounded better.second voice is echoing.third is very high not very convertible,fourth sounded like a very depressed person :P | 22:48 |
| * AlanBell adds a fifth voice | 22:48 | |
| AlanBell | they are all a bit better than the recording indicates | 22:50 |
| AlanBell | actually with openMary it is an emotional engine so you can probably cheer them up a bit (not kidding) | 22:51 |
| AlanBell | you can adjust how positive/negative they are being, passive/active and dominant/submissive | 22:52 |
| charlie-tca | UndiFineD: orca --debug --debug-file=debug.txt and add it to the bug report | 22:53 |
| charlie-tca | Just attach the debug.txt file | 22:53 |
| hajour | mmm it sounds better on my eeepc orca then by UndiFineD his pc its terrible | 22:54 |
| hajour | mm dutch ia not understandable on orca | 22:55 |
| hajour | its terrible | 22:55 |
| hajour | dont be angry XD i just report it . | 22:56 |
| charlie-tca | that pins it down to a language, instead of just saying orca is bad. | 22:56 |
| hajour | but its in english to on UndiFineD his pc charlie-tca | 22:57 |
| hajour | english terrible on UndiFineD his pc | 22:57 |
| UndiFineD | lol, debug files have disappeared | 22:57 |
| UndiFineD | le poof | 22:57 |
| charlie-tca | There is a bug report at gnome bugzilla to try and get better voices in it, I will try to find it | 22:57 |
| hajour | so that is not to pin on language | 22:58 |
| charlie-tca | huh? no file at all... | 22:58 |
| UndiFineD | none | 22:58 |
| hajour | pfff | 22:58 |
| charlie-tca | Well, unless you get the orca developers to your pc, they won't be able to find the cause of that, then. | 22:59 |
| UndiFineD | http://paste.ubuntu.com/545759/ | 22:59 |
| hajour | a ok AlanBell i dit not know that from the emotional part.i was not come so far .because i tryed to get it understandable | 23:00 |
| charlie-tca | that has the traceback in it. Attach to bug report, lets see what we can do with it | 23:00 |
| charlie-tca | UndiFineD: make sure to include which version of ubuntu that is, and add apt-cache policy python version | 23:01 |
| hajour | Undifined just is gone by orca again :( | 23:02 |
| hajour | i hate sharks :P | 23:02 |
| UndiFineD | o/ | 23:03 |
| UndiFineD | back | 23:03 |
| UndiFineD | what was after pastebin ? | 23:03 |
| charlie-tca | <charlie-tca> that has the traceback in it. Attach to bug report, lets see what we can do with it | 23:04 |
| charlie-tca | <charlie-tca> UndiFineD: make sure to include which version of ubuntu that is, and add "apt-cache policy python" version | 23:04 |
| hajour | mm AlanBell my chromium browser closed true listen mary ?!!! | 23:05 |
| hajour | and i have closed nothing by myself | 23:06 |
| UndiFineD | https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=637621 | 23:29 |
| ubot2 | Gnome bug 637621 in speech "Orca crashes, logs me out" [Major,Unconfirmed] | 23:29 |
| hajour | crap now UndiFineD his pc spontaneous logs out every time after he has runes orca he now do it without running. | 23:45 |
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