[02:59] <mhall119> okay, so I've got a small Python+Gtk app, now I want to make sure it's accessible, where should I start?
[03:06] <UndiFineD> mhall119, heh maybe by reading hajour 's wiki :D
[03:06] <hajour> hehe
[03:07] <hajour> attachment accessibility
[03:07] <hajour> hee Cheri703 
[03:08] <UndiFineD> mhall119, font size scalable ? suitable for simon ? braille ? speech dispatcher ? dasher ?
[03:08] <UndiFineD> color schemes
[03:09] <UndiFineD> what sort of app is it mhall119 ?
[03:11] <mhall119> UndiFineD: no font, it's a panel with buttons
[03:11] <mhall119> buttons have tooltips though
[03:11] <mhall119> UndiFineD: got a link to hajour's wiki?
[03:12] <UndiFineD> does it plug-in with dbus / at-spi ?
[03:12] <mhall119> not any part that I did
[03:12] <UndiFineD> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/hajour
[03:12] <mhall119> I thought gtk was already at-spi enabled
[03:13] <UndiFineD> well, I am not sure, but I think that is needed to have text read out to you
[03:13] <mhall119> I'll have to test it with orca
[03:14] <UndiFineD> be sure that colors are not close to another, for some red and green is same
[03:14] <mhall119> it should be using just the gtk theme
[03:14] <UndiFineD> like black on black
[03:15] <UndiFineD> do you have a screenshot ?
[03:15] <UndiFineD> it would make it easier :)
[03:15] <mhall119> yeah, one second
[03:15] <mhall119> http://img718.imageshack.us/i/xdglauncher.png/
[03:16] <mhall119> bottom panel
[03:16] <hajour> mhall119, make the colors from the applications must be contrast from each other and background
[03:16] <mhall119> it's just gtk buttons, I'm not doing any special visual stuff, so if the user's theme is visually accessible, then mine should be the same
[03:17] <mhall119> I just wasn't sure if there was something I had to do to make the button's tooltip text available to screen readers
[03:17] <mhall119> or what other accessible considerations I need to think of
[03:18] <UndiFineD> the first icon, orange and yellow are to close to eachother
[03:18] <mhall119> that's the applications icon though, from it's .desktop file
[03:19] <mhall119> I'm not sure if there's an accessible icon theme that would have an alternative
[03:19] <mhall119> are there any good accessible icon themes?
[03:19] <UndiFineD> the fourth icon, brain, might noth be recognisable as one , lines are maybe to fine
[03:19] <mhall119> again, I didn't make the art, I'm just displaying the icon specified in the app's .desktop file
[03:20] <UndiFineD> the sudoku icon, purple on grey is hard to make out
[03:20] <UndiFineD> I do not know if there are accessible icons
[03:20] <mhall119> and the actual buttons show will depend on the runtime parameters, this app will show any set of items from the menu
[03:20] <mhall119> the screenshot is just it running against the /Games menu
[03:21] <mhall119> hajour: do you know or any good accessible icon themes?
[03:21] <UndiFineD> mhall119, hajour is my gf :)
[03:22] <mhall119> that wouldn't preclude her from knowing of any ;)
[03:22] <UndiFineD> true
[03:22] <hajour> i talk to UndiFineD  he typ what i say
[03:22] <mhall119> ah, ok, see that would make a difference
[03:22] <mhall119> did I meet either of you at UDS-N?
[03:23] <UndiFineD> I was remotely there, listening to a lot of sessions
[03:23] <mhall119> ok
[03:23] <mhall119> I'm the guy making Qimo
[03:23] <mhall119> you probably heard me talking as several points
[03:23] <hajour> i am just here from 30-11-2010 on ubuntu
[03:23] <UndiFineD> very likely
[03:24] <UndiFineD> after much persuasion
[03:24] <hajour> for the accessibility  part
[03:24] <UndiFineD> hajour, has now become actively involved
[03:24] <hajour> mhall119, is it possible to design new icons here?
[03:25] <UndiFineD> mhall119, so you do a lot for kids stuff
[03:25] <UndiFineD> that must be fun
[03:25] <hajour> i have set up the speechcontrol team 7 ore 8 days ago
[03:25] <mhall119> hajour: possible, but time would be a constraint
[03:25] <mhall119> UndiFineD: it is :)
[03:25] <UndiFineD> we have four of our own
[03:26] <mhall119> heh, no thanks, 2 is plenty
[03:26] <hajour> we got 4 girls
[03:26] <UndiFineD> :D
[03:26] <mhall119> hajour: if I do any custom icons, it'll only cover the default games we include in Qimo
[03:26] <mhall119> hajour: oh, I'm so sorry
[03:26] <mhall119> boys are easier
[03:27] <hajour> lol
[03:27] <mhall119> well, that's what I'm told anyway
[03:27] <mhall119> both of mine are a handful
[03:27] <hajour> hehe
[03:27] <mhall119> one of each
[03:27] <UndiFineD> unless they fight ... 
[03:27] <mhall119> but MichelleQ has probably already told you about them
[03:27] <hajour> have you a link from icons mhall119 ?
[03:27] <mhall119> unless?  there's a time when they don't fight? how does that happen?
[03:27] <mhall119> hajour: what do you mean?
[03:28] <hajour> a link where icons stand to look ore there are good icons to use what we already have
[03:28] <UndiFineD> mhall119, yes, they do not fight when they think you 're not around
[03:28] <mhall119> UndiFineD: not mine
[03:29] <UndiFineD> then suddenly they can be sweet
[03:29] <hajour> i just set up my angry eyes hehe
[03:29] <mhall119> hajour: my app just pulls entries from the menu, and displays the same icon and text used by the menu
[03:29] <mhall119> my apps doesn't itself have any artwork
[03:29] <UndiFineD> so an accessible icon theme ... :)
[03:29] <UndiFineD> I have to charter some artists
[03:32] <hajour> we go look what we can do mhall119 
[03:33] <mhall119> thanks, I appreciate the help
[03:33] <hajour> already busy with it
[03:33] <hajour> your welcome
[03:33] <mhall119> I know charlie-tca was looking for a new icon theme for xubuntu, so maybe he's seen some that are better than others
[03:33] <UndiFineD> ok I will ask when I see him
[03:34] <hajour> we let you now when we know more mhall119 :)
[03:34] <hajour> i just cal you then in this room :)
[03:35] <mhall119> sure, I'll stay logged in
[03:35] <hajour> ore UndiFineD 
[03:35] <hajour> til later mhall119 :)
[03:35] <mhall119> good night
[03:36] <hajour> good night mhall119 
[03:46] <mhall119> hajour: you have dyslexia?
[03:46] <UndiFineD> yes she does
[03:47] <UndiFineD> so do our daughters
[03:47] <UndiFineD> and ech somewhat differs :P
[03:47] <mhall119> I'm thinking of using this font as the default for Qimo: http://www.sil.org/computing/catalog/show_software.asp?id=119
[03:47] <mhall119> it's supposed to help make reading easier for people with dyslexia
[03:47] <mhall119> and also early-readers in general
[03:48] <mhall119> but, I'm not really sure how to test to make sure that's true
[03:48] <mhall119> I tried using it myself, and found it decent enough
[03:49] <mhall119> also, it has the option to use different glyphs for some letters, to make them less similar, but I'm not sure which alternates are good 
[03:50] <UndiFineD> it is playful
[03:50] <UndiFineD> just changed my titlebars into it
[03:50] <mhall119> http://scripts.sil.org/cms/scripts/page.php?&item_id=andika has some examples
[03:52] <UndiFineD> our eldest daughter would have trouble with it
[03:52] <UndiFineD> too many curves make the letters seem as one
[03:54] <UndiFineD> letters seem to dance
[03:54] <mhall119> is it more curvy than most?
[03:54] <mhall119> how about the new Ubuntu font, how's that for dyslexics?
[03:54] <UndiFineD> we mostly use Ubuntu font :)
[03:54] <UndiFineD> really nice
[03:54] <mhall119> okay, maybe I'll use that
[03:55] <mhall119> I'll probably include both at least
[03:55] <mhall119> just not sure which to use as default
[03:55] <UndiFineD> not too small letters
[03:55] <UndiFineD> 12px is alright
[03:55] <mhall119> ok
[03:55] <mhall119> I liked andika's spacing, it seemed to give letters more room
[03:56] <mhall119> especially in the vertical space
[03:56] <UndiFineD> but I find the font bugging around 14px
[03:56] <mhall119> the ubuntu font you mean?
[03:56] <UndiFineD> yep
[03:56] <UndiFineD> half letters
[03:56] <mhall119> :(
[03:57] <UndiFineD> like the g
[03:57] <hajour> i use font size 16
[03:57] <UndiFineD> the curl at the bottom is sometimes lost
[03:59] <hajour> UndiFineD, already reported that
[13:13] <Pendulum> AlanBell: no more bugs on website stuff (this includes wiki), remember? this was why we needed a liason with the design team. Someone needs to poke alejandra about it
[14:04] <AlanBell> oops
[14:06] <Pendulum> AlanBell: s'cool. I'm going to talk to phillw about it when he gets online
[14:08] <UndiFineD> Pendulum, that might be a while, i think he just fell asleep
[14:11] <AlanBell> I kind of wanted to point out the same issues being raised by other people independently
[14:12] <AlanBell> and tell those who raised them that it is a known problem
[14:12] <UndiFineD> Pendulum, AlanBell here is head_victim :)
[14:12] <head_victim> Hi?
[14:13] <UndiFineD> he might be able to help as phillw is out
[14:13] <head_victim> What's the problem?
[14:13] <Pendulum> UndiFineD: phillw is supposed to be liasing with the desgin team on website issues. that's why I'm poking him
[14:15] <UndiFineD> so ... head_victim cannot help in this ?
[14:15] <Pendulum> UndiFineD: no. 
[14:15] <Pendulum> sorry head_victim
[14:15] <UndiFineD> :(
[14:15] <head_victim> That's ok
[21:33] <hajour> AlanBell, can i talk to you for a moment.its not about the speechcontrol but about accessibility.:)
[21:37] <AlanBell> sure hajour 
[21:38] <hajour> AlanBell, i was ask to give advice to mhall119 .for his small Python+Gtk app
[21:38] <AlanBell> ok
[21:39] <AlanBell> what does it do?
[21:39] <hajour> but he need other buttons on that.because of this . a light purple background on a button application  with a almost same light color.
[21:40] <UndiFineD> http://img718.imageshack.us/i/xdglauncher.png/
[21:40] <hajour> colorblind can not see that
[21:40] <UndiFineD> accessible icons
[21:41] <hajour> so i was asking in design for a advice where to find other icons
[21:41] <hajour> but i get no respons at all
[21:41] <AlanBell> ok, firstly there is a totally awesome compiz plugin for simulating colour blindness
[21:41] <AlanBell> so you can see what a colour blind person would see
[21:41] <UndiFineD> accessible  tooltips
[21:42] <AlanBell> sometimes you can fix an image by tweaking the color balance and adjusting the level of blue or something like that
[21:42] <hajour> there where 24 persons in that room and i know a part of them where here on ubuntu doing things
[21:42] <hajour> a ok
[21:43] <AlanBell> wikimedia commons is a great source of Free artwork and icons
[21:43] <hajour> because there is need to be greater contrast true the colors
[21:43] <AlanBell> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Nuvola_icons
[21:43] <hajour> thank you AlanBell 
[21:44] <UndiFineD> mhall119, are you watching this ?
[21:44] <hajour> ii know what they can see.i have asked when i was young on my cousin.he is colorblind
[21:45] <AlanBell> protanopia is the most common type, that is a lack of perception of red
[21:45] <AlanBell> so as long as two colours have different blue and green values they can be seen
[21:46] <hajour> but this link is very useful to give to people who need to change ore choose this kind of things
[21:47] <hajour> AlanBell, just a idea.but why not mail the link to everyone in ubuntu
[21:48] <AlanBell> I don't think everyone would like that
[21:50] <hajour> people who now not yet make things because they have not have enough knowledge.are possible later in time do make things/programs enz
[21:51] <AlanBell> that is what the personas are for
[21:51] <AlanBell> educational outreach to developers
[21:51] <hajour> then it is good to put this link to the faisal persona i think
[21:52] <hajour> if i remember good he was colorblind
[21:52] <AlanBell> there is information on that one already about the compiz plugin
[21:53] <AlanBell> the Nuvola stuff has no special significance relating to colour blindness, just a bunch of pretty icons
[21:53] <hajour> yes it was faisal .just have checkt
[21:55] <hajour> stil mhall119  was not knowing about it and he is in the accessibility team if i am correct
[21:56] <mhall119> AlanBell: my problem is that I'm displaying .desktop entries
[21:56] <mhall119> which supply their own icon
[21:56] <hajour> i think it should be useful to have a page for that where that is put in
[21:57] <mhall119> so I would need an entire and complete accessible icon theme
[21:57] <mhall119> which I don't think is feasible at this point
[21:57] <hajour> i have asked in design but i dont have get any respons
[21:57] <AlanBell> mhall119: ah, gotcha
[21:57] <mhall119> mostly I wanted to make sure my apps was navigable/discoverable with screen readers
[21:57] <AlanBell> ok, have you tried running it with orca?
[21:58] <mhall119> hajour: it would have to cover any icon any app could possibly choose, far too large in scope
[21:58] <mhall119> AlanBell: not yet, I've never used Orca before
[21:58] <AlanBell> ok, give it a go, it is tricky
[21:59] <AlanBell> I would like to make this stuff simple enough for sighted people to use
[21:59] <mhall119> okay, upon running orca, it asks for the desired speech server, default, espeak or dummy
[21:59] <AlanBell> espeak
[21:59] <AlanBell> or default
[21:59] <mhall119> enable echo by word?
[21:59] <mhall119> what does that mean?
[21:59] <AlanBell> mhall119:  you should at this point turn off your monitor
[22:00] <mhall119> orca isn't even configured yet
[22:00] <AlanBell> echo by word is having it read back to you what you type when you hit space
[22:00] <mhall119> ok
[22:00] <AlanBell> mhall119: tough!
[22:01] <mhall119> oh geez, I've got to log out of gnome now?
[22:02] <mhall119> man, if orca is the pinnacle of accessibility, y'all got your work cut out for you huh?
[22:02] <AlanBell> fraid so
[22:02] <mhall119> okay, let me log out and back in and see what happens
[22:02] <hajour> mm AlanBell is the bug already fixt from orca with the echo?
[22:03] <AlanBell> hajour: I don't know about that bug
[22:04] <hajour> you 2 the same words true each other
[22:04] <hajour> i have told it and it should reported.i not know how to tell in a bug report
[22:05] <hajour> to explain
[22:05] <AlanBell> can you make a recording of it?
[22:05] <hajour> its not only by use but i have heard many complain about that
[22:05] <mhall119> okay, orca is consuming 100% cpu
[22:05] <mhall119> and audio is like talking on a cell phone in 1980
[22:05] <hajour> UndiFineD, says he go to try it
[22:06] <UndiFineD> AlanBell, I can try, but chance is high I get logged out in an hour, so need to save stuff first
[22:06] <hajour> he is busy with it now
[22:07] <hajour> o yes that happend the last time we where running orca
[22:07] <AlanBell> mhall119: the audio is a bit rubbish, in theory it should be possible to use a much higher quality voice, one that would not fit on the standard CD
[22:07] <mhall119> okay, I'm killing orca
[22:07] <charlie-tca> mhall119: sometimes killing and then restarting at-spi-registryd will fix the 100% cpu thing
[22:07] <mhall119> I haven't been able to understand a word it's said
[22:07] <hajour> yes because of the echo mhall119 
[22:07] <AlanBell> it should start with "welcome to orca"
[22:07] <charlie-tca> And this is the best we have for the blind user!
[22:07] <hajour> mmm yes
[22:08] <hajour> thats why we are busy with the new speechprogram AlanBell UndiFineD  and i
[22:08] <hajour> aand the rest of the team
[22:09] <hajour> we all working hard about it
[22:09] <hajour> charlie-tca, i have asked for help in science but also there i get no respons
[22:10] <hajour> i mean if they have no time then its polite to say that i think
[22:11] <charlie-tca> In the meantime, we do have to have orca for the users, though
[22:11] <hajour> then the echo have to be fixed and the crash after using orca from the pc
[22:12] <mhall119> I get like 1/4 second sound whenever I put my mouse over something
[22:12] <mhall119> it mostly just sounds like a tapping
[22:12] <AlanBell> in the orca preferences you can tell it not to speak the object under the mouse
[22:12] <charlie-tca> I have used orca, there are many adjustments available in it. I have not gotten the echo, myself
[22:12] <hajour> now we have a big chance i am ofline here in a few time because orca is running now
[22:13] <mhall119> so far I haven't managed to get anything that doesn't sound like random noice
[22:13] <mhall119> noise
[22:13] <hajour> i have heard many complains about that charlie-tca the echo from people
[22:14] <hajour> same here mhall119 
[22:14] <AlanBell> let me record a bit, it isn't *that* bad
[22:14] <hajour> UndiFineD,  has just lost his desktop now because of orca
[22:14] <mhall119> okay, so this is going to sound harsh, but if orca is this bad, is there really any point in me spending time worrying about my app working with it?
[22:15] <mhall119> AlanBell: on my laptop it is
[22:15] <hajour> after starting from audio
[22:16] <hajour> :( UndiFineD  is busy to try to fix his pc now
[22:16] <charlie-tca> Orca is only important if you are calling it accessible
[22:16] <mhall119> you say it should say "Welcome to Orca"
[22:16] <UndiFineD> ok, no way to record audio ... after starting audacity ocra crashed
[22:16] <mhall119> I get "weh" and that's it
[22:16] <UndiFineD> I just restarted at-spiregistryd as suggested
[22:17] <UndiFineD> it is 23:16 when it happened, so in an hour I expect to be logged out
[22:17] <mhall119> hold crap the man page for at-spi-registryd is all kinds of messed up
[22:18] <hajour> i have told it often but if they dont believe you .it has no use to repeat it every time thought
[22:19] <hajour> so that means in about a hour UndiFineD  is not here anymore because of orca
[22:19] <hajour> mm it just happend
[22:20] <hajour> faster then we thought
[22:20] <AlanBell> http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/orca.ogg
[22:21] <charlie-tca> AlanBell: is that faster than default?
[22:21] <AlanBell> no
[22:21] <AlanBell> I am not a speed listener
[22:22] <AlanBell> I understand some blind people can listen at x6
[22:22] <hajour> sorry but i cant hear a word from it.yes i hear sound but its not understandable
[22:22] <charlie-tca> I seem to listen slow here
[22:22] <AlanBell> hajour: it gets more understandable later in the file when I tweak the preferences a bit
[22:22] <charlie-tca> I can understand almost every word. Perhaps it is not orca but the speakers?
[22:23] <AlanBell> oh and that is a bit of a rubbish recording
[22:23] <AlanBell> I just pointed my webcam at the speakers and recorded via audacity
[22:23] <mhall119> AlanBell: that's about 100x better than what I was getting
[22:23] <hajour> and then the fact the crash from the pc here wo have running orca jut a moment ago.and that is the second time this happend
[22:24] <charlie-tca> the speakers and sound card can make a difference, I believe. 
[22:25] <charlie-tca> Of three speaker sets, I have one that is almost clear with orca, even though I can hear music from all three sets.
[22:26] <hajour> we have a surround speakers on the pc from UndiFineD 
[22:26] <UndiFineD> o/
[22:26] <UndiFineD> I love orca for this
[22:26] <charlie-tca> Does the voice always come from the same speaker on those, or does it bounce around?
[22:26] <UndiFineD> this happens to me every time
[22:27] <charlie-tca> yes, orca will crash the system ... 
[22:27] <hajour> it was not the second i just heard from UndiFineD  but a lot more times
[22:27] <mhall119> espeak works find on the command line
[22:27] <UndiFineD> orca only comes from the 3 front speakers
[22:27] <mhall119> but orca doesn't get past the firsy syllable
[22:28] <mhall119> and I rarely get more than just a tapping sound
[22:28] <hajour> orca must be good for all people not a few
[22:30] <UndiFineD> the really weird part is I get logged out, why does it do that .. I have 3,5 GB memory and always enough too spare
[22:31] <UndiFineD> it is not CPU power
[22:31] <charlie-tca> I wonder what is really conflicting for you? 
[22:31] <UndiFineD> I have an offboard audio card recently bought creative one
[22:31] <charlie-tca> Have you filed a bug for it? and is there a valgrind and stacktrace for it?
[22:33] <mhall119> does orca even work with Xfce?
[22:33] <mhall119> or is it Gnome only?
[22:33] <charlie-tca> yes, it works with xfce
[22:34] <UndiFineD> no crash report
[22:34] <mhall119> I gotta be honest, this hasn't made me eager to focus on accessibility
[22:34] <mhall119> :(
[22:35] <AlanBell> doesn't make people eager to be blind either
[22:35] <mhall119> yeah, having a choice makes my life easier, I know
[22:35] <hajour> mhall119,  we (our team ) are working on it many hours for the new speechprogram
[22:35] <mhall119> but my time is still finite, and I can either work towards attainable goals, or unattainable ones
[22:35] <hajour> AlanBell, have put in also many hours for that
[22:36] <mhall119> hajour: what's it written in?
[22:36] <UndiFineD> mhall119, most likely to be an extention on simon listens
[22:36] <AlanBell> oooh, I have openMary working
[22:36] <hajour> we should appreciate if the 1 from vedix would help us with a part
[22:36] <UndiFineD> c / c++ / python
[22:37] <hajour> great AlanBell 
[22:37] <hajour> mm sorry vedics
[22:37] <AlanBell> mhall119: attainable goals are the best ones
[22:37] <mhall119> well, I can offer help on the python part of it
[22:37] <AlanBell> mhall119: and you can ask here for other people to test your applications
[22:38] <hajour> that should be wonderful mhall119 
[22:38] <mhall119> thanks AlanBell 
[22:38] <UndiFineD> I happily crash again :P
[22:38] <hajour> lol
[22:38] <mhall119> I've got to rename my application, then I'll ask for testers
[22:38] <AlanBell> I have 4 fantastic voices working
[22:38] <AlanBell> although one does sound a bit stoned
[22:39] <hajour> lol
[22:41] <hajour> o btw if it is necessary the European part of ubuntu is willing to help with the voices.many country s
[22:42] <hajour> already have talked about it
[22:42] <hajour> for encase when it is time it can be done
[22:43] <hajour> just for information
[22:44] <hajour> hehe if i am not in chat from speechcontrol i do that sort of things
[22:44] <AlanBell> http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/openmary.ogg
[22:45] <AlanBell> you can hear me typing the text for the next voice as I go through all four
[22:48] <hajour> first voice sounded better.second voice is echoing.third is very high not very convertible,fourth sounded like a very depressed person :P
[22:48]  * AlanBell adds a fifth voice
[22:50] <AlanBell> they are all a bit better than the recording indicates
[22:51] <AlanBell> actually with openMary it is an emotional engine so you can probably cheer them up a bit (not kidding)
[22:52] <AlanBell> you can adjust how positive/negative they are being, passive/active and dominant/submissive
[22:53] <charlie-tca> UndiFineD: orca --debug --debug-file=debug.txt   and add it to the bug report
[22:53] <charlie-tca> Just attach the debug.txt file
[22:54] <hajour> mmm it sounds better on my eeepc orca then by UndiFineD  his pc its terrible
[22:55] <hajour> mm dutch ia not understandable on orca
[22:55] <hajour> its terrible
[22:56] <hajour> dont be angry XD i just report it .
[22:56] <charlie-tca> that pins it down to a language, instead of just saying orca is bad.
[22:57] <hajour> but its in english to on UndiFineD  his pc charlie-tca 
[22:57] <hajour> english terrible on UndiFineD  his pc
[22:57] <UndiFineD> lol, debug files have disappeared 
[22:57] <UndiFineD> le poof
[22:57] <charlie-tca> There is a bug report at gnome bugzilla to try and get better voices in it, I will try to find it
[22:58] <hajour> so that is not to pin on language
[22:58] <charlie-tca> huh? no file at all...
[22:58] <UndiFineD> none
[22:58] <hajour> pfff
[22:59] <charlie-tca> Well, unless you get the orca developers to your pc, they won't be able to find the cause of that, then. 
[22:59] <UndiFineD> http://paste.ubuntu.com/545759/
[23:00] <hajour> a ok AlanBell i dit not know that from the emotional part.i was not come so far .because i tryed to get it understandable
[23:00] <charlie-tca> that has the traceback in it. Attach to bug report, lets see what we can do with it
[23:01] <charlie-tca> UndiFineD: make sure to include which version of ubuntu that is, and add apt-cache policy python   version
[23:02] <hajour> Undifined just is gone by orca again :(
[23:02] <hajour> i hate sharks :P
[23:03] <UndiFineD> o/
[23:03] <UndiFineD> back
[23:03] <UndiFineD> what was after pastebin ?
 that has the traceback in it. Attach to bug report, lets see what we can do with it
 UndiFineD: make sure to include which version of ubuntu that is, and add "apt-cache policy python"   version
[23:05] <hajour> mm AlanBell my chromium browser closed true listen mary ?!!!
[23:06] <hajour> and i have closed nothing by myself
[23:29] <UndiFineD> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=637621
[23:29] <ubot2> Gnome bug 637621 in speech "Orca crashes, logs me out" [Major,Unconfirmed]
[23:45] <hajour> crap now UndiFineD  his pc spontaneous logs out every time after he has runes orca he now do it without running.