[03:37] <hajour> hai all
[03:38] <hajour> i am hajour from the accessibility team. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/hajour
[03:40] <hajour> we would like some advice for more accessibility icons http://library.gnome.org/devel/hig-book/stable/icons-design-accessible.html.en
[03:42] <hajour> for a small Python+Gtk app
[03:43] <hajour> there was told that i should get help when needed for the accessibility program.
[03:47] <hajour> what they have told me accessibility got priority .they wanted so many as possible in the next ubuntu natty narwhal
[12:09] <coz_> good day
[17:38] <doctormo> thorwil: ping
[17:40] <thorwil> doctormo: pong
[17:42] <doctormo> thorwil: I had an email conversation with baer
[17:43] <doctormo> thorwil: I basically asked him to account for the ill feelings and problems. he responded firstly by accusing me of having the problem and then by ignoring issues.
[17:45] <thorwil> doctormo: yes, you have the problem, i have to be apologized for and vish is a bully
[17:46] <thorwil> at the same time, the team is amazing and we are all happy to welcome new members invited by john
[17:47] <thorwil> doctormo: if this was my project, i would kick him out
[17:48] <doctormo> thorwil: I think I will have to talk to some members of the cc and maybe jono to get some advice.
[17:48] <vish> doctormo: ignoring the issues is what he does best.. ;)  he doesnt usually have any response to the questions raised..
[17:48] <doctormo> Since this sort of issue where you have a member ignoring consensus and bullying others by ignoring their views can't continue.
[17:50] <doctormo> thorwil: On a happy note, I wanted to ask you if you would be willing to design a genetic wallpaper.
[17:50] <thorwil> doctormo: add misrepresentation and bending facts. you could call it projecting an alternative reality
[17:50] <doctormo> Yes it makes me deeply unhappy to be involved in a project with a person who is so very untrustworthy with the facts.
[17:51] <thorwil> doctormo: as far as you might take this up via email, CC me, please
[17:52] <thorwil> doctormo: based on your script that, to my understanding, randomizes the location and alpha of a number of objects?
[17:53] <vish> heh, i was surprised that he said the artwork re-write was not a proposal, when he first should his draft in his namespace!
[17:53] <doctormo> thorwil: Yes, but it's packaged now: http://doctormo.org/2010/12/18/genetic-wallpapers-now-available-to-test/
[17:53] <vish> artwork wiki*
[17:54] <doctormo> I will CC you both in email, when it comes time for email.
[17:56] <thorwil> doctormo: it's an interesting concept, but i prefer total control over composition :)
[17:57]  * thorwil -> dinner
[18:00]  * darkmatter eats thorwil for dinner
[18:12] <doctormo> thorwil: technically you do have total control, you specify which parts are dynamic.
[18:12] <UndiFineD> great screencast doctormo
[18:12] <doctormo> Anyway, have a think about it because I think you have to use some new kinds of thinking to imagine the kinds of ways it could be used to great effect.
[18:22] <vish> thorwil , doctormo: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/LocalContacts  can the wording in this page be improved?
[18:22] <vish> hmm, maybe i can   s/consists/comprises
[18:24]  * vish misses the wiki history links in this new theme :/
[18:31] <thorwil> vish: apart from "Some of the Ubuntu Artwork team members have volunteered to be a local contact" being wishful thinking, it seems to be fine
[18:32] <vish> hehe..
[18:32] <vish> thorwil: well, some did volunteer to be contacts.. when discussing on the list.. not sure how it would turn out..
[18:33] <vish> thorwil: just now i realized that the documentation link was missing from the header :s
[18:33] <vish> and we were kinda duplicating the tasks and specifications links...
[18:34] <vish> tasks has the spec links..!
[18:34] <vish> we still need an icon for documentation..
[18:35] <thorwil> vish: i deem it possible that you are the 2nd person to notice this issue. as pressing would be fixing it
[18:35] <vish> thorwil: which the icon or the duplication?
[18:36] <thorwil> vish: missing documentation link and confusion regarding tasks/specs
[18:36] <vish> heh, yea.. we are one active bunch of people ;p
[18:40] <darkmatter> we need a new spec to torment troy_s with. I shall call it YAI!
[19:32] <doctormo> looks fine to me, although wording wise perhaps it's better to have "local art considerer" ;-)
[19:46] <doctormo> thorwil: What private email have you sent to baer? have you asked him to leave or told him you're unhappy with him?
[19:49] <thorwil> doctormo: to leave no, unhappy yes, though not directly
[19:50] <doctormo> thorwil, vish: If you've done done so, please send an email directly to John Baer laying out in direct as terms as possible that you are unhappy and that you would like him to try and resolve the issues that you have with him and his conduct.
[19:51] <doctormo> Depending on the outcome, the next step is to go to the CC directly, the matter may eventually if john lets it fester, end up with an reluctant ban of some kind.
[19:54] <vish> doctormo: IMO, it's kinda a waste of time thinking too much about john, if we dont keep having a repeat of events like the alternate wallpaper, then meh..
[19:55] <doctormo> vish: If it's ok with you and you don't mind then don't send the email.
[19:56] <doctormo> For myself I'm unhappy from an administrative point of view, because I don't know what the hell tools we're supposed to be using as a group and I know it's damn well not supposed to be flickr.
[19:56] <vish> doctormo: oh, you meant regarding flickr?
[19:56] <doctormo> Regarding all sorts of things
[19:57] <doctormo> attatude mostly, since that's the kind of thing that involves many issues and many new issues in the future.
[19:57] <vish> yea..
[19:58] <vish> doctormo: as i mentioned a couple of days ago, we can use art-owl for the UFS .. ivanka is also fine with using art-owl
[19:58] <vish> doctormo: just remind her again before she announces, that you are OK with it..
[19:58] <vish> iirc, i think she quit before you said OK.
[19:59] <vish> i mean that art-owl is fine with medium load..
[20:02] <doctormo> It should be, it's pleia2's server so we have the person who has root.