[00:11] <ikonia> hello yyz
[00:11] <yyz> I have been sent here by the great Lords of <3. They have come baring a single message to you. This message is as follows: You are in violation of article 57 of the Shadow Proclamation. You are harboring an unauthorized species on a level 5 planet, known as "The Ubuntardian". You are hereby given one chance to leave now. If you do not leave, <3 will make you leave... And don't test them!
[00:11] <ikonia> yyz: ok, bye, I'm not interested in discussing anything with someone who joins a channel and spews junk
[00:16] <Pici> odd
[00:16] <ikonia> very
[00:16] <bazhang> less than 3 = <3 ?
[00:17] <Flannel> bazhang: < is "Less than", yeah.
[00:17] <bazhang> so the troll channel #lessthanthree
[00:17] <Pici> Yes.  And please don't retaliate. The IRCC is in contact with some of the people there.
[00:17] <Flannel> bazhang: The folks in #lessthanthree
[00:17] <ikonia> Pici: some of the guys who actually run the channel where very reasonable and didn't want to be a problem, so I don't know why this stupidity is continuing
[00:18] <Pici> ikonia: Thats what I'm getting that.
[00:18] <Pici> er, at, not that.
[00:18] <bazhang> he's not an op there, so doubt its from them
[00:19] <Pici> Its someone trying to stir up trouble.
[00:23] <bazhang> * [thewizord] (~root@c-69-242-226-253.hsd1.az.comcast.net
[00:23] <Pici> Doesn't surprise me.
[00:23] <bazhang> real name: Adolf Hitler
[00:23] <Pici> What a nice fellow.
[00:23] <maco> doubt it
[00:23] <bazhang> in his irc client
[00:24] <maco> hahaha props for the Doctor Who quoting though
[00:24] <Pici> eh?
[00:25] <maco> "You are in violation of article 57 of the Shadow Proclamation. You are harboring an unauthorized species on a level 5 planet" <-- from Doctor Who
[00:25] <maco> The Eleventh Hour...
[00:25] <Pici> Ah. I couldn't place it, but it sounded familiar.
[00:25] <Pici> I've actually never made it through a single episode of Doctor Who. <.<
[00:26] <maco> WHAT?!
[00:26] <Pici> Yeah, I know.
[00:26]  * maco points at 4 boxes of Doctor Who DVDs in closet
[00:26] <Pici> I missed out on a lot of good sci-fi the first time around.
[00:27] <Pici> I only recently watched Farscape.
[00:27] <maco> wait wait
[00:27] <maco> so if you recognised that quote..
[00:27] <maco> that means you saw part of the Eleventh Hour...but you *didnt* get to the "bowties are cool" bit when he wins?
[00:27] <Pici> It sounded familiar, probably was quoted somewhere else as a nod to Doctor Who and I didn't realize it.
[00:28] <maco> oh
[00:28] <maco> whre do you live again?
[00:28] <maco> oh oh oh wait
[00:28] <maco> i now
[00:28] <maco> *know
[00:28] <maco> christmas day starting at midnight
[00:28] <maco> on BBC america, they're doing a Doctor Who marathon
[00:28] <maco> and i mean that as in the midnight between xmas eve and xmas day
[00:29] <maco> you can catch up on the last season!
[00:29] <maco> (though, i have the last season on DVD because i have an awesome friend)
[00:30] <Pici> Hrm..
[00:31] <maco> i should go see what time the christmas special is
[00:32] <Pici> Oddly enough, I watched and loved Torchwood.
[00:33] <maco> ianto :(
[00:33] <Pici> :(
[00:33] <pleia2> :(
[02:45] <Jordan_U> Any advice on how to handle r00t4rd3d in #ubuntu?
[02:48] <r00t4rd3d> who has a problem with my nickname
[02:48] <r00t4rd3d> that ive been using on freenode for 5+ years ?
[02:48] <Tm_T> CensoredBiscuit: hi how can we help you?
[02:48] <Jordan_U> r00t4rd3d: I have a problem with your nickname.
[02:49] <r00t4rd3d> well to bad
[02:49] <r00t4rd3d> get over it
[02:49] <r00t4rd3d> its not offensive in any way
[02:49] <r00t4rd3d> I dont like your nickname either
[02:49] <CensoredBiscuit> Nothing Tm_T I'm just leaving
[02:50] <Tm_T> r00t4rd3d: hi, the fact how long you've been using your nick doesn't matter
[02:50] <r00t4rd3d> well i come to ubuntu to help , if you wanna kick me out cause of my nick so be it
[02:50] <r00t4rd3d> its my registered nick and im not changing it
[02:51] <r00t4rd3d> ive used this nick for more then 15 years
[02:51] <r00t4rd3d> and this is the first time anyone has said anything about it
[02:51] <r00t4rd3d> so no
[02:51] <r00t4rd3d> thanks but no thanks
[02:53] <r00t4rd3d> grow up
[02:53] <Tm_T> I'm wondering why this became so confrontational, as only what I've seen is Jordan_U asked to change the nick
[02:53] <Tm_T> ...
[02:55] <Tm_T> Jordan_U: I would have recommended to discuss it friendly in the PM first, with some argumentation why it is requested, raising such things in the channel without explanation easily gets them defensive without reason
[02:55] <Jordan_U> The implication is that he will be kicked if he doesn't change his nick. I wasn't going to do that without agreement from other ops (bazhang yesterday agreed that the nick was offensive but didn't suggest any particular action).
[02:55] <Jordan_U> It's an unfortunate situation.
[02:56] <Tm_T> yup, nothing serious yet and in general you did it quite nicely
[02:57] <Jordan_U> What do you think should happen if he doesn't change his nick?
[02:58] <Tm_T> ask nicely with some good arguments, it's not outright offensive in my eyes, although not something I like either
[02:59] <Tm_T> you might like to hear others' opinions too, as I tend to be a bit too gentle at times
[02:59] <tonyyarusso> The attitude is worse than the nick - I doubt they're a particularly helpful member of the community anyway.
[03:00] <Tm_T> yes the attitude wasn't nice, but considering how the issue was rised, I'm not entirely surprised
[03:00] <Tm_T> that's why trying to discuss it nicely with argumentation wouldn't be a bad thing
[03:01] <Jordan_U> tonyyarusso: From what I've seen recently he actually is helpfull and perfectly respectful in #ubuntu.
[03:04] <Tm_T> it shouldn't matter much nor what we think if he's helpful or not, for such small thing calling out publicly is not the best way nor IMO required in any way
[03:04] <Tm_T> publicly in this case means support channel
[03:04] <Jordan_U> Tm_T: I'm not sure what you mean.
[03:05] <Tm_T> hi semitones, how can we help you?
[03:05] <semitones> I came here to see the counter rww was talking about :P
[03:05] <rww> >.>
[03:06] <semitones> users sudaded by the no idle policy: 1
[03:06] <semitones> I'll leave now :D
[03:06] <rww> Tm_T: Sorry, I spilled some -offtopic in here :(
[03:06] <Tm_T> rww: it's ok (:
[03:07] <Tm_T> as long as it doesn't happen every time I have long sentence ready to be entered (;
[03:07] <Tm_T> Jordan_U: I mean that we don't count karma, good deeds doesn't make bad deeds more allowed
[03:08] <Tm_T> nor we should treat someone more poorly because we assume them less valuable to us/our community
[03:08] <Tm_T> ofcourse things are not this simple, but in general idea
[03:20] <Jordan_U> The way I see the nick is as self-depricating humor, but by using "retarded" as a pejorative he is insulting people with genuine mental retardation. I may be reading that incorrectly but I can't see any non-offensive interpretation.
[03:31] <Tm_T> if that's how you see it, explain it to him politely (:
[04:27] <r00t4rd3d> b0nghitter , cybersix , testi , billybigrigger , manbra , mikack , reuteras , seemawn but my nick is offensive ?
[04:27] <r00t4rd3d> how are those family friendly nicks but mine isnt ?
[04:29]  * r00t4rd3d waits....
[04:33] <r00t4rd3d> but Jordan_U isnt singling me out !
[04:37] <CarlFK> if an op has asked you to change your nick, you should prolly change your nick
[04:37] <r00t4rd3d> im not going to
[04:38] <CarlFK> comparing it's level of offensiveness to others doesn't change its level
[04:39] <r00t4rd3d> No one has ever been offended by my nick till today
[04:39] <CarlFK> you don't know that
[04:39] <CarlFK> and even if it is true, another thing that doesn't matter
[04:42] <r00t4rd3d> oh well im going back to #ubuntu to help people if i can and forgetting this
[04:47] <CarlFK> "... grow up"  attitude has room for improvement, but I don't think he is too far out of line
[05:48] <elky> Are people continuing to talk to him, or is he coming back in here to harrass ops based on one simple request?
[05:57] <Jordan_U> elky: I had a conversation with him in PM.
[05:57] <elky> between the first and subsequent visits from him?
[05:59] <Jordan_U> elky: Yes.
 #ubuntu-women? :)  possible troll in coming
[10:32] <tsimpson> bazhang: it's in reply to root_ (watching)
[10:33] <bazhang> tsimpson, yep thus the warning to those in -women; should have put in -irc in retrospect (spur of the moment, my apologies)
[10:34] <IdleOne> prime example of why a only ubuntu-namespace op channel would be good.
[11:19] <elky> bazhang, especially since he's well aware
[12:07] <_H> hi I'm being mocked and such for my dyslexia and utism
[12:07] <_H> autism
[12:07] <_H> in #ubuntu-offtopic
[12:08] <IdleOne> We didn't mock you for you disabilities
[12:08] <IdleOne> or because of them
[12:09] <_H> (12:06:30 PM) dwatkins: _H: being dyslexic and autistic is no excuse for not knowing howto calculate the area of a rectangle, dude
[12:09] <_H> (12:06:47 PM) tonyyarusso: _H: Sorry, but this is a channel where you get mocked for stupidity.
[12:09] <tonyyarusso> ^ has nothing to do with dyslexia or autism
[12:17] <elky> _H, is there anything further? if not, we ask that you part the channel
[12:18] <elky> I'm sick to the eyeballs of people blaming everything on autism.
[12:19] <IdleOne> it's an easy out
[12:19] <maco> only if the people you're talking to have no idea what it is
[12:20] <IdleOne> true
[12:20] <elky> anyone actually pulling the excuse out probably does not actually have autism.
[12:20] <IdleOne> my cousin never uses it as an excuse
[12:21] <IdleOne> in fact he gets upset if you try to treat him "special"
[12:23] <tonyyarusso> Not to mention the fact that pretty much everyone on IRC is above-average on the autism spectrum...
[12:23] <Tm_T> tonyyarusso: that's a fact?
[12:23] <maco> else we'd use some sort of communication mechanism that involved faces? :P
[12:23] <tonyyarusso> Tm_T: I should think so :)
[12:24] <tonyyarusso> maco: hackergotchis count as social interaction, right?
[12:24] <Tm_T> tonyyarusso: what you think isn't fact (;
[12:24] <elky> tonyyarusso, geekdom favours spectrum behaviours, yes.
[12:25] <Tm_T> this actually would be interesting subject for study
[12:25] <elky> I believe it has been studied.
[12:25] <Tm_T> IRC & spectrum?
[12:25] <elky> geekdom & spectrum
[12:25] <tonyyarusso> maybe not IRC specifically
[12:26] <Tm_T> ah, I personally don't care of "geekdom" much
[12:26] <Tm_T> prolly because of the stereotypes related to it
[12:27] <elky> If irc correlated highly with the spectrum, then most of finland would be...
[12:27]  * tonyyarusso 's Finn side sees to contradiction there
[12:28] <elky> http://mrissa.livejournal.com/746160.html is a worthwhile read for arguments against the autism excuse
[12:54] <elky> you guys are terrible
[12:55] <maco> referring to the "how do i make a sandwich?" thing in -ot?
[12:55] <elky> yah
[12:56] <maco> im still thinking its a very patient troll
[12:56] <maco> given the spaghetti thing the other day
[12:57] <elky> mahen? no, he's too stupid to be a troll.
[12:57] <maco> i thought it was ....i can say it but i cant spell it... feigned.... stupidity.   did i spell it right?
[12:57] <elky> Well, in that nobody can roleplay that much stupid for this much time without breaking character.
[12:59] <IdleOne> haha
[13:03] <maco> this is reminding me of my uncle
[13:03] <maco> until he was 55, my grandma packed his lunch every day
[13:03] <maco> now that she's in a home, he lives on microwavable Hungry Man meals
[13:05] <tonyyarusso> sparklehistory's grandparents are like that too.
[13:10] <Tm_T> noone makes me lunch ):
[13:19] <elky> So, from the This-Can't-Possibly-End-Badly department. In a few months time, I'm going to be moving to Wellington, NZ, for work.
[13:20] <elky> Hands up who knows the relevance of this.
[13:20] <IdleOne> not sure why that would be bad
[13:20] <elky> It starts with B.
[13:21] <IdleOne> boredom?
[13:21] <tonyyarusso> botulism
[13:21] <elky> No. Nothing of the sort.
[13:21] <IdleOne> botulism is bad
[13:21] <IdleOne> oh
[13:21] <IdleOne> ex boyfriend
[13:21] <elky> No. Oh gods no.
[13:21] <popey> My boss (45 year old family man) came into work teh other day with lunch in a plastic box which needed reheating, he had/has absolutely no clue how to use a microwave oven. We had to show him. This surprised most of us.
[13:21] <tonyyarusso> baboons
[13:21] <popey> Botato?
[13:22] <tonyyarusso> bathysphere
[13:22] <elky> Think trolls.
[13:22] <IdleOne> elky: save us the time and tell us please
[13:22] <Tm_T> that thing that replaced Kolto
[13:22] <tonyyarusso> beards
[13:22] <tonyyarusso> IdleOne: nono, I got this!
[13:22] <IdleOne> ok
[13:22]  * IdleOne waits
[13:22]  * Tm_T is giving extra hints
[13:22] <elky> A particular troll who we love dearly lives in Wellington.
[13:22] <tonyyarusso> bacon!
[13:23] <IdleOne> and you are worried that this troll may do something?
[13:23] <tonyyarusso> blazon
[13:23] <elky> IdleOne, no, not at all.
[13:23] <IdleOne> I suggest, mace and a pocket knife
[13:23] <IdleOne> stab him first then make him blind
[13:23] <tonyyarusso> beast
[13:23] <tonyyarusso> barbarian
[13:23] <elky> IdleOne, for his protection?
[13:23] <IdleOne> haha ok
[13:23] <IdleOne> if you think he needs it
[13:23] <tonyyarusso> bait
[13:23] <tonyyarusso> bob
[13:23] <tonyyarusso> brat
[13:25] <IdleOne> I don't see how the troll living there is relevant really, but knowing we have muscle close by is good :)
[13:25] <elky> I imagine a chance encounter will result in me rolling on the ground in fits of laughter.
[13:25] <IdleOne> elky: We have a troll that needs a talking to. *elky gets in car and drives over*
[13:25] <tonyyarusso> brink
[13:25] <tonyyarusso> brash
[13:25] <tonyyarusso> bother
[13:25] <IdleOne> tonyyarusso: you still guessing?
[13:25] <tonyyarusso> sure!
[13:26] <IdleOne> keep going
[13:26] <elky> He's trying to get me to say it. I don't particularly want to summon him.
[13:26] <tonyyarusso> babbler
[13:26] <tonyyarusso> baby
[13:27] <IdleOne> PM me so I know what who we are talking about
[13:27] <tonyyarusso> badger
[13:28] <tonyyarusso> bald
[13:28] <tonyyarusso> balk
[13:28] <IdleOne> beagle
[13:28] <IdleOne> boggle
[13:28] <tonyyarusso> beerbelly
[13:28] <tonyyarusso> beetle
[13:28] <IdleOne> elky: also make sure to take pics :)
[13:29] <tonyyarusso> befuddled
[13:29] <Tm_T> http://www.starwars.com/databank/technology/bactatank/
[13:29] <elky> IdleOne, this will involve suspending laughter
[13:29] <tonyyarusso> behead
[13:29] <elky> Tm_T, lol
[13:29] <tonyyarusso> bellow
[13:30] <IdleOne> bestow
[13:30] <tonyyarusso> bossy
[13:31] <tonyyarusso> botched
[13:31] <IdleOne> This portion of #ubuntu-ops brought to you by tonyyarusso and the letter B
[13:31] <tonyyarusso> :)
[13:32] <Tm_T> elky: I can get you few bacta canisters if need be
[13:33] <elky> hah
[13:36] <elky> This is all something that only occurred to me after I had already sought and got director approval.
[13:50] <Tm_T> so I just locked myself out...
[13:50] <Tm_T> glad it's only -20 °C
[13:51] <elky> lol
[13:51] <IdleOne> warm there today
[13:51] <IdleOne> almost swimsuit weather
[13:53] <Tm_T> took only 15 min to get keys from the neighbour (:
[13:53] <IdleOne> your neighbour has keys to your house??
[13:53] <IdleOne> nice
[13:54] <IdleOne> I don't like my neighbours enough for that
[13:56] <Tm_T> it's a key for all doors in this housing association (or what it should be called)
[13:56] <IdleOne> oh, ok
[13:56] <IdleOne> a master key
[13:56] <Tm_T> that
[13:56] <IdleOne> I would change my locks
[13:56] <IdleOne> lol
[13:57] <Tm_T> IdleOne: so the apartment owner cannot come in?
[13:57] <IdleOne> correct
[13:57] <IdleOne> landlord has no reason to enter my house if I am not there
[13:57] <IdleOne> house/apartment
[13:58] <Tm_T> especially after the rent is left unpaid
[13:58]  * Tm_T hides
[13:58] <IdleOne> I pay my rent :P
[13:58] <Tm_T> I don't
[13:59] <elky> lol
[13:59] <IdleOne> as well you shouldn't
[14:00] <Tm_T> I mean, uh, the money transfer must have had some hiccup, I'm sure!
[14:00] <IdleOne> yeah, the bank messed up
[14:00] <IdleOne> Tm_T: has a rubber check book
[14:01] <Tm_T> I have never seen check book in Finland, I doubt anyone actually uses such things around here
[14:02] <IdleOne> so you either use cash or debit card?
[14:03] <IdleOne> rent is direct payment from your bank ?
[14:03] <Tm_T> yup
[14:03] <IdleOne> k
[14:04] <Tm_T> there's credit cards too, but for the payment situation, they're quite similar to debit
[16:59] <mneptok> Tm_T: i submit expense reports to Espoo. Espoo contacts the US bank. they mail a paper check to me. this is a great source of amusement in .fi
[17:02] <Tm_T> I can imagine, in here you would just get the money right into the bank account
[18:29] <IdleOne> and that was a prime example for why we should never have a not publicly logged ops only channel.
[18:31] <mneptok> IdleOne: it's actually a reason why our expense reports are GPG encrypted. :)
[18:32] <IdleOne> well that too
[18:32] <IdleOne> mneptok: I was refering to an earlier convo in here about something that was going on in -ot. the user read the log of here and saw what was said about them
[18:35] <IdleOne> my reasoning is with such a channel, we would be accused of breach of CoC and guidelines much more often.
[18:35] <IdleOne> I still think we should have that channel though.
[20:26] <maco> IdleOne: user did not object my "maybe they're a troll who's really good at pretending to be stupid" though...so maybe i'm right!
[20:28] <IdleOne> I think the fact the user came back and complained is proof that we should not discuss users publicly or in a derogatory way. even if they are stupid, it isn't very nice and we shouldn't do it
[20:29]  * IdleOne is guilty of doing this.
[20:29] <IdleOne> also*
[20:29] <IdleOne> just want to make it clear I am not pointing any fingers at anybody.
[21:33] <elky> IdleOne, i find it amusing that judging by the scrollback here, the user took objection to me explaining why i thought you guys were being horrible.
[21:34] <elky> maco, no, you have that backwards. If he were, he'd be indignant on the subject.