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wizardslovakSpamapS,  they perform better00:00
Datzwizardslovak: are you buying a new cpu?00:22
Datzor used?00:22
Datzwizardslovak: if you're buying new stuff, and don't need much power, I'd personally get something like a efficient atom chip/board/00:25
Datzhttp://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128452&cm_re=atom-_-13-128-452-_-Product00:25
Datzif not, just use any old machine, and run 32bit if you have to.00:26
wizardslovaki want to build it myself , something with miniatx00:35
wizardslovakbut dont know what cpu00:35
wizardslovakDatz, that perfect , will fit to my old shuttle pc00:38
wizardslovaki am actually thinking about this one ;) btw would it hold some web traffic?00:40
wizardslovak+ id prefer 2 cores00:43
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bluethundr_when compiling from source, what does 'make world' buy you that a simple 'make' will not?02:21
Datzwizardslovak: I'm not sure what you mean by "this one"03:41
Datzalso, that Intel Atom is a dual core cpu, with hyperthreading as well03:41
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ClemHi guys, i have a question about ubuntu server. I was wondering, if the server .iso has the packages required by default for a LAMP installation. (I am installing the server at on my home network which does not have an internet connction at the moment)04:02
icekkHI, I created a tcp server, running it on ubuntu-server each time i run it, only 400 tcp socket clients can connect to it...04:09
icekkhow do i increase this limit04:09
icekkto unlimited04:09
SJrHow do I determine which hardisk in my machine is ata2?05:19
Patrickdkata2?05:20
SJrI keep getting these ata2.00 error in the kernel05:20
PatrickdkI don't think that means ata port 2, but not sure05:24
PatrickdkI think that means something more like, invalid ata 2.0 command05:24
Patrickdkas in ata spec version 2.005:24
Patrickdkbut need more error message to go with that05:25
Patrickdkbeen awhile since I had drive/interface errors05:25
Psi-Jackheh05:26
Psi-JackAnyone here have any experience with ocfs2?05:27
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AnAntHello, I have a question about cloud, if I setup a cloud using 3 machines, is it possible to make a single process to use the processing (& memory) power of all those machines ?06:32
AnAntthe reason I ask, is our work environment we use simulators & synthesis tools that (according to the design being worked on) might demand processing power (and/or memory) that is not available in just one single machine.06:45
qman__AnAnt, no06:48
AnAntI see, so what's the use of cloud ?06:48
qman__UEC works like standard virtualization, its main advantage is the automated balancing of the load06:48
qman__if, for example, you had ten servers and needed 50 VMs, instead of having to predict where your load would be, UEC would automatically handle it06:50
AnAntI see06:50
qman__the only system that ever existed (to my knowledge) that operates like you describe is openmosix06:51
qman__there is nothing that is currently developed to do it06:51
qman__the closest modern setup is a clustering system, but that requires threading your application06:51
AnAntsome colleage attended some conference about clouds, and there they told him that: cloud = virtualization + clustering06:52
qman__basically, yes06:53
qman__but that's all theory06:53
qman__in practice it's just a really smart virtual machine hosting system06:53
qman__a great technology to be sure, but not the magical be-all end-all of IT marketers make it out to be06:54
AnAntqman__: do you know if  Azure (windows based) can't do clustering the way I described ?06:55
AnAnt"The openMosix Project has officially closed as of March 1, 2008." :(06:56
qman__it can't06:57
qman__the way those services work, amazon EC2 and such, is just like UEC, but on a very large scale06:57
qman__they have server farms which run VMs for you06:57
qman__but any one VM never utilizes more than one bare metal server at a time06:58
qman__it's just a very efficient and abstract way of running lots of virtual machines06:58
qman__if you need more power than a single hardware core can give, you need to thread your application06:59
qman__if you do that, you can cluster and take advantage of as many as you want06:59
AnAntqman__: even OpenMosix needed the application to be threaded ?07:00
qman__that, I'm not sure of07:01
AnAntok07:01
qman__the only theoretical way to spread one thread across lots of hardware is to dynamically thread it on the fly07:01
AnAntqman__: btw, if an application already supports running on several processors, then it is threaded , right ?07:02
qman__yes07:02
qman__and if you set up a cluster, it can spread those threads across hardware07:02
AnAntqman__: thanks a lot, you were so helpful07:02
qman__no problem07:02
uvirtbotNew bug: #692131 in squid (main) "package squid 2.7.STABLE9-2.1ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: ErrorMessage: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/69213107:46
wizardslovakDatz,  i ment the one u sent08:00
intickhi all08:33
inticki have a problem with my FTP server ... i can access it and list folders content from local without problem but when i try using my public IP, it connects very well but does not allow me to list files/folders ..08:33
inticki've checked rights i think it has a relation with passive/active mode08:33
intick(pure-ftpd server)08:33
inticknone :( ?08:39
intickplzzz need help with FTP server09:21
intick(pure ftpd)09:21
qman__it's because FTP is ancient, a total mess, and a security nightmare09:31
qman__you shouldn't use it unless you absolutely have to09:32
ivoksand, if you really need to, use vsftpd :)09:52
Syria!Bazaar10:19
RoyKivoks++10:47
uvirtbotNew bug: #692171 in nut (main) "using BUS= in udev rules causes system boot error/warning" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/69217111:27
SyriaHi , I have just installed webmin and I am being prompted for a passwprd!11:55
qman__!webmin | Syria11:58
ubottuSyria: webmin is no longer supported in Debian and Ubuntu. It is not compatible with the way that Ubuntu packages handle configuration files, and is likely to cause unexpected issues with your system.11:58
Syriaahhhh11:58
Syriaqman__ thnx11:58
Syriaqman__ is there any alternative please?11:58
qman__!ebox11:59
ubottuebox is a web-based GUI interface for administering a server. It is designed to work with Ubuntu/Debian style configuration management. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/eBox11:59
Syriaqman__ thnx.11:59
Syriaqman__ Can you tell me how to remove webmin now please?12:02
RoyKapt-get remove --purge webmin12:03
RoyKapt-get install ubuntu-operation-knowledge12:03
Syriasudo apt-get remove webmin12:03
SyriaThnx12:03
RoyK12:03
Syriasudo apt-get install ebox I am installing ebox using this command, is this the latest version?12:06
qman__assuming your repositories are correct and up to date, it will install the latest supported version for the version of ubuntu you have installed12:08
Syriaqman__ I am installing it on my 10.10 Maverick.12:09
RoyKSyria: keep in mind that for most setups, learning the basics needed to do the administration from the commandline is usually not too hard, and learning it means you'll understand things better than talking to a stupid gui trying to do your job12:19
RoyKSyria: what sort of server is it you're installing?12:20
SyriaRoyK i am testing it now on my laptop, and then i will install it on my vps which is running on ubuntu 10.4 lucid12:20
RoyKwhat sort of server? web? php? database? some wierd application?12:21
RoyKif it's just web, I'd say forget about webmin/ebox, and learn the config files12:21
RoyKit _really_ is't that hard12:21
qman__I agree completely12:24
qman__it's also mostly set and forget12:25
qman__configure automatic updates and you won't have to touch it but once a year or so12:25
SyriaRoyK i want to install wordpress i have about 3 sites that I will host on that vps.12:25
RoyKSyria: then do it manually. you'll learn a wee bit about it as well12:25
SyriaRoyK yeah I did this on the old server but I want to test something like webmin or zentyal.12:26
RoyKwhy?12:26
RoyKit's just another thing that can fail12:27
SyriaI want to know more about it.12:27
RoyKand corrupt your config12:27
Nafalloqman__: how about kernel upgrades?12:27
RoyKSyria: I see :)12:27
qman__Nafallo, scheduled reboots or ksplice12:27
RoyKNafallo: most of them aren't really needed :þ12:27
Nafalloksplice doesn't do it automatically though12:27
qman__it does if you add it to cron12:28
RoyKSyria: still, I'd recommend focusing on manual config12:28
Nafalloheh. point well made12:28
qman__it's how I have run my router for the last year and a half12:28
qman__zero downtime12:28
SyriaRoyK That's why I want to test it on my laptop first.12:28
SyriaRoyK I am not sure about installing it on the vps yet.12:29
RoyKSyria: which is good - always test in a VM before trying to put it into prod...12:29
qman__Syria, installing such a system is adding a lot more points of failure and increasing security risks significantly12:29
RoyKSyria: keep in mind that databases don't usually run well on VMs, so you might want to ask the ISP if they have a dedicated mysql db for wordpress to use12:29
qman__they're nice tools for the ignorant masses but for this type of thing it's much better to do it manually12:29
SyriaI have installed apache2 php5 and mysql on the vps server.12:30
RoyKqman__: and the bad thing about those tools, is that the masses of ignorant people is shrinking as manual configuration gets simpler :þ12:30
Syriaand if zentyal or anything else failed i can configure things manually right?12:30
qman__the main problem is that these tools, if not carefully designed, leave a huge mess in their wake12:31
RoyKSyria: possibly12:31
qman__this is why webmin is not supported12:31
RoyKSyria: but why bother?12:31
RoyKSyria: doing it from the commandline is _simple_12:31
Syriayeah i have been learning how to use the terminal recently.12:32
qman__server administration is, in my opinion, something that should not be trusted to an abstracted tool12:32
RoyKSyria: still, check if the ISP has a dedicated mysql server. VMs (including VPSes) aren't well suited for running DBMSes12:32
SyriaRoyK Yes I have installed a mysql server and things are just fine.12:33
RoyKeven though mysql is pretty close to flat files in the DBMS perspecitive...12:33
SyriaRoyK http://xtrahost.co.uk/12:33
RoyKSyria: not saying it won't work - the I/O speed from a VM is usually far lower than on a dedicated box, so you really don't want to run something like a database on it12:34
SyriaRoyK How can i check? what should I ask about exactly.12:34
SyriaRoyK aha12:34
SyriaRoyK i will ask them if the vm machine can run data bases without causing any problems right?12:35
RoyKjust justask them if they have a mysql database you can use12:35
qman__if your database is very low traffic it shouldn't pose a problem, but for anything above really light loads, you'll want something that performs better12:35
RoyKlast I checked, wordpress only supports mysql, so a postgresql db won't work too well12:36
SyriaYeah it is a small wordpress data base, I am using it as cms.12:36
SyriaI hope that it will not pose any problems but I will ask them anyway.12:36
RoyKSyria: if you expect some traffic on it, move the database OUT of the VM12:37
SyriaRoyK Thnx for the advice.12:38
SyriaTechnical support is avialable monday to friday!12:38
Syria9 - 6 pm!12:39
Syriaouch12:39
Nafalloheh. at least you should get good connectivity to Ubuntu archives ;-)12:42
SyriaCan I move copy folders from my computer to the remoter compuer using ssh terminal?13:00
qman__yes13:01
qman__see sftp and scp13:01
Syriaqman__ yeah sure sftp.13:01
Syriaqman__ Connect to server from the places menu right?13:01
qman__yes13:02
Syriaqman__ Can I do this using the terminal? i know it is useless just want to know if yes.13:02
qman__yes, the commands "sftp" and "scp" can use ssh to transfer files13:06
qman__sftp operates like ftp, while scp works like cp13:06
Syriathnx again :)13:06
qman__no problem13:06
ollielAnyone here know how the mumble-server sends and recieves VoiP traffic? Does it all get routed through the server or does traffic only travel in a p2p fashion?13:17
RoyKolliel: I think it uses RTP like everything else14:13
RoyKolliel: and I somehow guess the traffic is routed through the server to ease NATing14:13
RoyKsending RTP streams directly involves serious NAT hacking known to SIP and H.32314:14
AnirbanHazraCan I run .NET apps on Ubuntu hardy ?16:11
eagles0513875hey guys has anyone else experienced issues with formatting a single 2tb partition?16:36
* RoyK hasn't16:37
eagles0513875why am i O_o16:37
eagles0513875seems like anything larger then 1tb will format16:38
eagles0513875O_o16:38
RoyKwhat sort of problems?16:38
RoyKwhat fs type?16:38
eagles0513875formatting shows 33% then no activity light16:38
eagles0513875ext4 the default16:38
RoyKext4 supports far more than 2TB16:39
eagles0513875ya but im having issues16:39
RoyKduring install?16:39
eagles0513875ya16:39
RoyKwhat I'd do first is to overwrite whatever partition table the drive has16:40
RoyKmind this will remove _all_data_ from the drive16:40
eagles0513875already done and chose 1tb instead of 216:40
eagles0513875i set it up with lvm so i can increase the size to 2tb16:40
eagles0513875formatting with 1tb formatted just fine16:40
eagles0513875RoyK: outa curiosity what make is ur drive16:40
eagles0513875bah :( ran into a corrupt den :(16:41
eagles0513875let me go back again16:41
RoyKalso, with such a disk size, I'd use a smaller (20-50GB) root and then use another filesystem for the data16:41
eagles0513875trying to setup ubuntu cloud feature16:41
RoyKby resetting the partition table, I mean dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/yourdevice16:41
eagles0513875oh16:42
RoyKjust in case there is a bad-but-somehow-working partition table (layout) on the drive16:42
eagles0513875ok16:42
eagles0513875how can i do that off the installation cd?16:42
RoyKjust press enter through the first steps, then alt+right, and you have a console16:42
eagles0513875right what?16:43
RoyKright arrow key16:43
eagles0513875ok16:43
eagles0513875RoyK: do i do it from busybox16:43
RoyKyes16:44
RoyKbut try to start with a small root fs16:44
eagles0513875how can i check the device16:44
RoyKno reason to make a root fs on the whole disk16:44
RoyKjust let the installer go so far as to find the drives, then you'll find them in 'cat /proc/partitions'16:44
eagles0513875command is running16:46
RoyKjust interrupt it16:46
RoyKit doesn't take very many milliseconds to overwrite what's needed16:46
eagles0513875ok16:47
RoyKthen reboot onto the install cd, make a smallish root partition, install there, and make the data partition later16:47
RoyKsmallish is something between 5 and 50GB16:47
RoyKdepending on how much you plan to put there16:47
RoyK5 should suffice for most needs, 50 is plenty16:47
eagles0513875what if i want to use lvm16:48
RoyKyou can set that up later16:50
eagles0513875ok16:50
RoyKjust separate the data from the OS16:50
RoyKthat's always a good idea16:50
eagles0513875let me erase the partitionsok16:50
eagles0513875ya16:50
RoyKyou just erased all the partitions on that drive with dd16:51
adacSomeone familiar with "hardinfo"? I noticed that it can run as a command line program aswell, but the silly thing is that installation of "hardinfo" requires gnome (http://pastie.org/1390103) But on my server I don't want to install grafical interface16:51
RoyKeagles0513875: just create a simple partition for root, one for swap (size of memory or so) and leave the rest for later16:51
eagles0513875ok16:51
eagles0513875RoyK: should i allocate 24gb for swap16:52
eagles0513875i have 8gb in this machine16:52
RoyKyou probably won't need it16:52
RoyKjust allocate 8 gigs16:52
eagles0513875ok16:52
RoyKyou can add more later if you need more16:52
eagles0513875how exactly does cloud computing features work?16:53
RoyKadac: looks like a gui for lshw to me16:53
adacRoyK, you can also start it on command line only16:53
adacahh16:53
adaclshw16:53
adacis a program16:53
RoyK:)16:53
RoyKeagles0513875: it's just virtualization gone large16:54
adacRoyK, I first thougt it was some nasty shorthand form for some word ;)16:54
RoyK:)16:54
eagles0513875RoyK: i have a server is the vt-x extension necessary16:54
RoyKeagles0513875: last I checked, kvm needs that, yes16:55
RoyKeagles0513875: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-kernel-70/kvm-without-intel-vt-or-amd-v-530789/16:56
eagles0513875:-/ i know i tried kvm on this machine but what services can i setup using cloud computing on this server which doesnt have it16:56
RoyKseems you can run it without virtualisation hardware, but it'll be slow16:56
eagles0513875RoyK: you said 8gb swap 50gb / then what bout the rest16:56
RoyKjust leave it for now16:56
RoyKeagles0513875: if you don't know the difference between cloud computing and virtualisation, you don't need cloud computing16:57
RoyKeagles0513875: then just setup a box, add VMs to it, relax, it'll work16:57
eagles0513875RoyK: i know what virtualization is just not understanding what cloud computing is16:57
eagles0513875i would like to eventually use cloud computing for my business16:57
RoyKeagles0513875: if you need 1,000 VMs, you might need a private cloud16:57
RoyKif you need 10 or 50 VMs, you probably just want a machine with kvm16:58
eagles0513875atm dont need many16:58
RoyKthere you go, then no need for cloud16:58
RoyKclouds aren't very simple to setup16:58
RoyKand you can migrate to a cloud later16:58
eagles0513875RoyK: ok resstarted installer and did the partitioning16:59
eagles0513875i have 300mb partition for biosgrub 8gb swap 50gb root hat do i do with the 1.9 that i have left17:00
eagles0513875wtf17:00
eagles0513875RoyK: machine randomly restarted itself17:00
RoyKoops17:00
RoyKrun memtest8617:00
eagles0513875done already17:01
eagles0513875ram is fine17:01
RoyKhm17:01
eagles0513875after getting em back from corsair17:01
RoyKshouldn't reboot on its own, though17:01
eagles0513875im thinking its a psu issue17:01
RoyKcheck the logs first17:01
eagles0513875i have nothign to boot onto os wise17:02
RoyKerm - it rebooted during install?17:02
eagles0513875while i was setting up the partitions prior to starting the format17:02
RoyKeagles0513875: anyway - start over - partition as you did and try again. never mind the extra non-partitioned space - we'll deal with that later17:03
eagles0513875ok17:04
uvirtbotNew bug: #589647 in net-snmp (main) "snmpd starts (and dies) before network is up" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/58964717:04
eagles0513875might have to do this later17:04
eagles0513875RoyK: is it easy to install the necessary stuff later for cloud computing?17:14
SJrhttp://www.pastebin.ca/202368618:15
SJrWhat would cause errors like that18:15
RoyKeagles0513875: cloud computing is for a cluster of computers running VMs. when you need it, you will have time to set it up18:27
RoyKeagles0513875: and no, it's not particularly easy to setup either way18:27
mrrothX2 zone, why do I need to create a different zone *ip subnet* for x2 port that connects to the ssl vpn x0 port, are vpn user on a different ip subnet from lan user? is that the norm "19:16
wizardslovakseriously i dont know which line to choose19:40
wizardslovakphenom 2 black or intel i series19:40
wizardslovakanyone?19:40
Datzthere are intel people, and amd people :P19:47
wizardslovakyea i know19:47
wizardslovakbut id love to hear personal experience19:48
* Datz shrugs, I am an intel person19:48
wizardslovakhehe19:48
User792hey all im going crazy here trying to change the ssh port. Firt of all im diabling ufw then im editing /etc/ssh/ssh_config to aay and empty port then reloading the ssh service but ssh -p <port> localhost returns connection refused19:48
User792any ideas?19:48
User792im more familiar with centos but im pusshing to switch over to ubuntu19:49
DatzUser792: are you trying to access this machine locally?19:50
User792yeah19:50
User792same subnetwork19:50
Datzhumm, and you restarted sshd?19:51
Datzoh I see you said that19:51
User792i think that this is  right  /etc/init.d/ssh reload19:51
User792right?19:51
DatzI'd think that would work. I guess you could try restart as well.19:52
User792alright let me give that a try19:53
* Datz is no expert19:53
mrrothhey wha thappens when a road wwarrior has the same subnet as the remote vpn tunnel19:54
mrrothwhat if he is setup on a different zone but both remote and local network interface are on the same subnet19:54
Datzwizardslovak: you could go for the underdog :p http://www.networkworld.com/news/2010/060710-tech-argument-amd-intel.html19:55
vadi2How come Ubuntu loops on the recovery menu after I asked it to shutdown?19:58
vadi2'sudo shutdown now' - shut down services - recovery boot menu (???) - restarts all services.19:59
Datzjust trying to shutdown? I usually "sudo shutdown -P now"20:00
vadi2thanks much, that worked20:01
Datznp20:01
Datzvadi2: man shutdown20:02
SJrWhat would cause errors like: http://www.pastebin.ca/2023686, I'm getting them for ata2.00 and ata8.0020:02
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DatzUser792: no luck?20:19
maxagazhi20:19
Datzhello20:20
maxagazmy boss would like me to write a security check bash script for desktop computers, to check open ports and things like that, do you some existing scripts I could begin with ?20:20
maxagazI don't really know what should be checked actually20:21
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pmatulismaxagaz: get started with a freshly installed desktop and the nmap utility to scan it20:38
claydworking with phpmyadmin and mod_fcgid on ubuntu10.04.  For some reason when i go to domain.com/phpmyadmin i just download a file called download.  Anythoughts?20:40
Nafallowouldn't it be easier to check netstat -ltun and determine the number of lines, and warn if the number is higher than the threshold?20:43
Nafallopmatulis, maxagaz ^--20:43
maxagazNafallo, good idea20:45
Nafallomight want to use -p as well and grep out some applications and stuff bound to 127.0.0.120:46
claydif someone has time can you go to lb.1pristine.com/phpmyadmin and let me know if you have any ideas why it is not working?20:47
Datzclayd: how did you install phpmyadmin?20:50
claydwith the aptitude20:50
claydyes "the" aptitude  :) sorry about that20:51
claydsudo aptitude install phpmyadmin20:51
claydi think it is a configuration issue between using mod_fcgid and the default phpmyadmin install20:52
Datzok, just checking20:52
claydi found something talking about adding a .htaccess file that handled RewriteEngine and rrewriterule20:53
clayddo you need to restart apache when you add a .htaccess file?20:53
Datznot from my experience20:55
claydthat is what i am thinking20:55
Datzclayd: you might try #httpd if you have not already20:55
claydi am hoping not to but that is what i might end up doing.20:56
DormantOdenhey, I want to update a network card driver. But im worried the eth connection will drop and then I wont be able to reconnect to my server to put it back up? How likely is that?21:25
milliganDormantOden, hard to say. If access to the hardware is impossible, I'd leave it.21:29
DormantOdenyea, I guess I'll have to21:29
DormantOdencheers milligan :)21:30
milliganDidn't do much to help, I'm afraid .. but afaic, if it ain't broken, don't fix it ;921:30
DormantOdenits a super slow samba problem :P21:31
DormantOdenbroken, but can't fix it until I go home :/21:32
milliganYou know for a fact the prob is caused by nic drivers? :(21:32
DormantOdenno, but there isn't a fix that has worked and the only one left (bar this) is: "buy a new nic card" which I dont really think counts xD21:33
DormantOdenany thoughts milligan? I'm going to be bored as hell without my samba =D21:38
milliganWhat's the problem, exactly ? You're experiencing poor transfer speeds on samba ?21:38
milliganAnd you're sure it's not some sort of switching problem in regards to speed negotiation etc ?21:39
DormantOdennot sure what it is really, just trying whatever I can.21:42
milliganWhat are the symptoms? I doubt I'll be of any help,  but I can give it a shot :)21:42
DormantOdenwell, over a gigabit lan it will transfer at anywhere from 1 to 10 meg/s21:42
DormantOdenbut now im externally connecting I'm getting nothing higher than 100kb/s on a 17 meg line.21:43
DormantOdenjust dosen't seem right... :/21:43
DormantOdenthe servers connection has an upload speed of 2 megs, so I figured I should be getting at least 500kb/s21:44
milliganit doesn't transfer stable on a lan connection .. ?21:45
DormantOdenit will usually stay stable. but it likes to stick at a certain speed for random amounts of time21:46
milliganif your upload  on the server is 2mbit .. you won't be getting more than approx 250kb/sec download over the internet...21:46
milliganhmm21:46
DormantOdenone day it will be going at 1 meg, a few days later its going at 6?21:46
DormantOdenreseting the routers and computers won't solve it, never tried reseting the server though21:47
DormantOdenwell, I meant a speed tests upload rate will max at about 2 meg21:47
milligan2MB/sec ?21:48
DormantOdenyea21:48
DormantOdenwe sacrifice download speed for upload speed =)21:49
milliganto debug it, I'd do testing locally first. Check and double check that you get stable transfer speeds across the network using a proper protocol. iperf or simple ftp tests would suffice I rekon.21:49
DormantOdenok21:50
milliganif your network at home is stable, you're ready to check the next step .. if it's not, start looking at the equipment you have at home21:50
milliganIf you have a gigabit network at home .. you probably have a cisco or a hp layer 2 switch ?21:50
ivokswhy?21:50
DormantOdennot sure, switch is under some wood and all I can see is the word "Gigabit switch" =P21:51
ivoksthere are other brands that support gigabit :)21:51
ivokscheaper21:51
ivokslike dlink :)21:51
Nafalloeeeew21:51
Nafalloyeah21:51
milliganivoks, just figuring that if one goes to the lengths of building fully supported gigabit, one would do it with proper equipment ;)21:51
Nafallomilligan: not a valid assumption, at all.21:52
milliganWhatever. Let's see you debug it :)21:52
ivokspeople don't do that for companies21:52
DormantOdenI actually bought it by accident. They were susposed to give me a normal 100mb/s switch :)21:52
Nafallogigabit is very very common these days21:52
ivoksi'd like to see a person that has cisco at home :)21:52
milliganDormantOden, do you have the single switch, or several ?21:52
DormantOdensingle21:52
Nafalloivoks: o/21:52
ivokscashing out that much money for nothing...21:52
Nafalloivoks: but I'm a bit special I guess ;-)21:53
Nafalloalso, my equipment is all sorts of brands and stuff :-P21:54
DormantOdenmilligan: I mean, even dropbox over the network is pretty instant. But your right I should properly test it using ftp.21:55
ivoksNafallo: well, you are an exception :)21:55
air^:)21:55
air^1-10 MB/s over gigabit sounds like some serious problems.21:55
DormantOdenonly with samba21:55
ivokssamba between linux machines?21:56
DormantOdenlinux and windows and macs21:56
DormantOdenwell.. the macs dont really count21:56
air^DormantOden: what speed do you get with some other protocol?21:56
DormantOdenfast.21:56
air^I get 100+ MB/s over AFP (mac <-> ubuntu server).21:57
DormantOdennever got round to measuring because I can live with anything above 3 meg a second :P21:57
ivokswow!21:57
ivokssomeone is using netatalk!21:57
air^yeah :D21:57
air^at that speed it eats a lot of cpu as well :P21:57
air^but it works pretty well :)21:57
ivokscause it emulates bunch of stuff21:57
ivoksuntil a year ago i was using it on multiple locations21:58
ivoksi even did some package uploads for netatalk21:58
DormantOdenair^: I only meant macs dont count because they dont really use the wired connection in our house :)21:58
DormantOdenwait, netatalk an alternative to samba?21:59
ivoksjust for macs21:59
DormantOdenhmm, but I could just replace samba and see if it works22:00
ivoksi wouldn't advise that22:00
DormantOdenwhy not?22:00
ivoksit won't work on windows and linux, only on macs22:00
ivoksand even apple suggests using SMB/CIFS/NFS over AFP22:00
DormantOdenoh, yea, I meant somthing else entirely22:00
DormantOdennot sure what though22:01
ivokssamba is the only way for all three22:01
DormantOdenahhh22:01
DormantOdenlame22:01
ivoksit's not lame22:02
ivoksyou just misconfigured it, probably22:02
DormantOden*it shouldn't be lame22:02
air^well. SMB + Mac doesn't ever work very well IMHO.22:03
air^At least not in my experiences :)22:03
DormantOdenivoks: maybe, but theres not alot of suggestions other than turn this or that off/on, and add TCP_NODELAY to socket options xD22:03
ivoksmac usually doesn't work well if connected to anything but mac22:03
air^well. that's true :D22:03
air^but it works good enough over netatalk ;)22:04
air^I rarely have any issues at all.22:04
ivoksi won't forget how they broke IPP in first couple of OSX releases22:04
DormantOdenany downside to running two sharing programs?22:04
air^IPP?22:04
ivoksmaybe i missed it, but i haven't seen yout smb.conf22:04
ivoksyour22:04
ivoksair^: ipp = cups, printing22:05
air^ah.22:05
ivokscups was broadcasting ipp://server/ipp/printer22:06
ivoksbut on mac, it was actually on ipp://server/printers/printer22:06
ivoks(cups on mac)22:06
ivoksit was something like that...22:07
ivoksi wish windows would support proper ipp, including browsing and ps drivers22:08
air^last OS X release broke some DNS things. IIRC it was related to using DNS aliases and the .local subnet. :/22:08
ivoksah...22:08
ivoksfamous .local22:09
ivoksyou do know that .local means different things to microsoft and apple22:09
air^suddenly a few servers at work where unreachable to all os x users.22:09
ivokswindows? :)22:09
air^yeah. windows environment with a few mac users :)22:09
DormantOdenivoks: http://pastebin.com/xSkGSsbj22:10
air^got the dns guys to create new arecords instead so now it works :P22:10
ivokstell your windows admin that he should never create AD/local domain with .local22:10
air^yeah. well. it's too late for that now :P22:10
ivoks.lan is ok, everything is ok - but .local no22:10
ivoksubuntu wouldn't work too22:10
air^another huge mistake our windows guys did.22:11
air^they use 192.168.0.x for work network.22:11
air^it causes major issues when people connect vpn from their home networks :D22:11
ivokshehe22:11
ivokspptp :p22:12
air^I (as a mac user) use pptp. most people are not allowed too..22:12
ivokshave they fixed that thing, in mac, that didn't allow you to mount 2TB+ shares? :)22:14
ivoksi set up server for video editing studio, server with 10TB space22:14
air^I think so. At least I can mount my 3.6TB share.22:14
ivoksand macs can't connect :D22:14
air^:D22:14
ivoksthey didn't enable big shares in smb, or something22:15
air^ah. well, I can't say about SMB.22:15
ivoksthey managed to broke samba and cups... that's like, just take it and compile it22:15
ivoksbut no... let's break it :)22:15
air^I use SMB at work of course (windows...) but don't think I got access to any large shares.22:16
ivoksDormantOden: looks ok, i guess22:16
ivoksmacs look fancy and all that22:17
ivoksbut when it comes to heterogenus networks... omg22:17
ivoksat least it was omg 1-2 years ago22:18
ivoksone time they changed something in smb, after that update, all macs started crashing22:19
ivoksfinder would crash on connectiing to samba server22:19
ivoksi think it was samba 3.0.1222:19
ivokshttp://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/Debian/2006-03/msg02407.html22:20
AtomicDryadHi, is 80x24 console with messages still unavailable without the use of a hatchet?22:24
AtomicDryad(err, bootmessages. IE no splash screen)22:25
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PleXuSanyone did get a working pxe windows7 setup?22:40
datzy 22:55
Hero_of_Mordorhi, I'm ssh'ing into a server. How do I copy files from the server onto my client?23:10
datzyHero_of_Mordor, try sftp23:11
Hero_of_Mordordatzy: ok23:12
datzyif you're on windows, try putty or psftp23:12
datzyotherwise, just put the files in a web dir :P23:13
eagles0513875RoyK: my sata controller is shot on the motherboard lucid doesnt even boot just shows me a really long trace23:41

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