[00:00] <exobuzz> we decided to use that forum, but keep the code/trac on sourceforge etc.. note that no money donated there goes to any devs btw - just to the community site.. an issue we need to sort out. (we dont want the money. we just want it going to a charity or something. this is a current pending issue, and hot potato or something)
[00:01]  * exobuzz wonders how well the forum admin is doing.
[00:01] <dwatkins> ah I see
[00:01] <exobuzz> anyway. offtopic here. we shall im sure sort this out
[00:01] <dwatkins> yeah
[00:02] <exobuzz> all code lives http://sourceforge.net/projects/xbmc4xbox/
[00:02] <exobuzz> we refused to have it run by the admin of the xbmc4xbox site. just due to safety issue and having it centralised with no control etc
[00:02] <exobuzz> seemed the best option
[00:03] <exobuzz> dwatkins, http://www.xbmc4xbox.org/xbmc4xbox-3-0-reaches-beta2 mentions some of the new stuff
[00:06] <bigcalm> My alarm clock works!
[00:06] <exobuzz> bigcalm, oh.. new updates ?
[00:06] <bigcalm> It's been waking me up to the tune of UUPC every morning
[00:06] <exobuzz> :)
[00:07] <bigcalm> exobuzz: not really yet. But I found that if I point the Joggler at a web hosted site, it won't play the alarm sound if the internet connection goes down...
[00:07] <bigcalm> Quite glad that I coded it all in JS
[00:07] <exobuzz> bigcalm, jolicloud update arrived today and resized my panel! bugers. although i never orked out hw to realign the main content. contacting jolicloud devs is not easy
[00:07] <bigcalm> Now run it locally on the Joggler and it plays every morning
[00:07] <exobuzz> nie!
[00:08] <exobuzz> nice! sorry
[00:08] <exobuzz> so a "local website" ?
[00:08] <bigcalm> In a way
[00:08] <bigcalm> Just pointing the browser at a local .html file
[00:08] <bigcalm> Despite my tweets about the web app, but boss was surprised and pleased with the work I'd done on it
[00:09] <exobuzz> if you want others to use it. im happy to help out etc.
[00:09] <bigcalm> Looks like he'll be getting me more jQuery work next year
[00:09] <bigcalm> That's great, ta :)
[00:09] <bigcalm> I have it in my SVN server. Might set up trac on that server at some point
[00:10] <exobuzz> guess its a few lines install scriptwise.. useful though. actually you should probably try and get it in jolicloud itself
[00:10] <exobuzz> i mean,, it could be a good addition for them
[00:11] <bigcalm> Yes
[00:11] <bigcalm> The one alarm clock that they link to is hosted on an external server and is somewhat unuseable
[00:11] <bigcalm> (horrible sound)
[00:11] <exobuzz> maybe get something for the work too.. amazon wish list ;-) if you do get it in, i guess ill have to look at your wish list too ;-) hehe
[00:11] <bigcalm> Haha
[00:12] <bigcalm> http://www.amazon.co.uk/wishlist/LXT6MFP2WUWA
[00:12] <bigcalm> Did the 3 items arrive for you yet?
[00:12] <exobuzz> 49.99 109.00 107.59. you are a pricey man :D
[00:12] <bigcalm> Hehe
[00:12] <exobuzz> not yet.. but then again its snowing..
[00:12] <bigcalm> Look at the last item!
[00:12] <exobuzz> holy fuck
[00:12] <bigcalm> HAHA
[00:12] <exobuzz> sorry i swore on ubuntu uk
[00:13] <exobuzz> i mean fish
[00:13] <bigcalm> I use this list with my family every year
[00:13] <bigcalm> Strangely, it's yet to be purchased
[00:13] <hamitron> :)
[00:13] <bigcalm> It's gone up in price a lot
[00:14] <bigcalm> Used to be around the 500 mark
[00:14] <hamitron> I need to delete unwanted stuff off my list :/ got 7 pages
[00:14] <hamitron> you look very organised :)
[00:15] <exobuzz> actually the first gift i got (i got a dvd and what you got me,) has not arrived. and it was 2+ weeks ago. amazon eh.. and weather.. you were way generous of course and i only hope you get enough usage out of the jolicloud dist ;-)
[00:15] <exobuzz> so a keen photographer eh ?
[00:16] <exobuzz> i mean. i had no idea lenses cost that much. wow. just wow
[00:16] <exobuzz> heh
[00:17] <bigcalm> That's a specilist lens
[00:17] <bigcalm> http://www.flickr.com/photos/bigcuthy/
[00:17] <exobuzz> bigcalm, one of the reasons btw i have lots of cheap stuff on my wishlist is so that people can get me a cheap single item. your gift almost leaves me feeling guilty ;-) ill stop going on about it now. but anyway. thanks again
[00:18] <bigcalm> Hehe
[00:18] <bigcalm> You're very welcome
[00:18] <hamitron> cover for the kindle is nearly half that of a kindle :/
[00:19] <exobuzz> cover for a kindle ? http://www.popgadget.net/2009/12/smart_umbrella.php
[00:19] <bigcalm> It's something that I use every day and not something that I can do myself reall. So I think it's good to show ones apprication
[00:19] <exobuzz> ?
[00:19] <exobuzz> sorry i meant to link http://www.popgadget.net/images/AmbientUmbrella-top.jpg
[00:20] <exobuzz> bigcalm, the whole project, not specifically the jolicloud one, but the whole work for the kernel and the ubuntu distributions. probably took me a horrible amount of hours. i know i got told of for neglecting my family during it..
[00:21] <exobuzz> bad daddy
[00:21] <bigcalm> Heh
[00:21] <exobuzz> getting jolicoud to work was about 6 hors
[00:22] <exobuzz> not whores..
[00:22] <exobuzz> hours sorry
[00:22] <exobuzz> but i had all the stuff ready
[00:22] <exobuzz> jolicloud stored the computer id etc and i couldnt find that at first. /etc/jolidaemon or something
[00:23] <exobuzz> and other jolicloud stuff
[00:23] <Oli``> There are a lot of unheard-of makes of 8mm fisheye. I played with a Samyang once and that seemed pretty decent for the money
[00:23] <Oli``> The money being a third of a normal third party (eg Sigma) and even less than that of say Canon
[00:23] <exobuzz> bigcalm, btw.. all my joggler related stuff excluding packages on the ppa are http://joggler.exotica.org.uk/source/
[00:24] <Oli``> Not that I think Canon even do an 8mm
[00:24] <exobuzz> http://joggler.exotica.org.uk/source/makeimage.sh for example is used to make the images from a local folder
[00:24] <exobuzz> and kernel stuff is there etc
[00:25] <bigcalm> I haven't used make since leaving Gentoo behind for Ubuntu
[00:25] <bigcalm> I've become lazy :S
[00:25] <exobuzz> Oli``, fisheye is a sort of lens? certain image type or focus/range?
[00:25] <bigcalm> Type
[00:25] <bigcalm> Very wide angle
[00:25] <exobuzz> aah
[00:25] <exobuzz> like a goldfish bowl ?
[00:25] <exobuzz> loowing out
[00:26] <Oli``> exobuzz: it's so wide angle you see 180+ degrees field of vision
[00:26] <exobuzz> looking out
[00:26] <exobuzz> or so
[00:26] <bigcalm> http://www.google.co.uk/images?q=fisheye&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=og&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wi&biw=1350&bih=749
[00:26] <exobuzz> doesnt that distort things badly
[00:26] <Oli``> exobuzz: sure
[00:26] <exobuzz> or can you flatten out later ?
[00:26] <exobuzz> or thats the point ?
[00:26] <bigcalm> exobuzz: You'll see that a lot of people don't bother
[00:26] <Oli``> exobuzz: But the creative aim is usually a circular image
[00:27] <Oli``> Otherwise you'd just use another lens
[00:27] <exobuzz> what would it be used for typically..
[00:27] <bigcalm> Arty shots ;)
[00:27] <exobuzz> aah ok..
[00:27] <Oli``> http://www.sandydan.com/photo/wide/fish/index.htm
[00:27] <exobuzz> see im out of my depth here..
[00:27] <exobuzz> heh
[00:28] <Oli``> That's a setup and a half
[00:28] <bigcalm> If you want to get a large field of view but keeping it rectangular, I use autostich to join a lot of images together
[00:28] <exobuzz> i bought a close up lens for my cheapo a80 canon camera for £35 as it was half price and it looked like a bargain. used it twice
[00:28] <exobuzz> ahem
[00:28] <exobuzz> http://www.sandydan.com/photo/wide/fish/adapter.jpg <- that image is almost pornographic
[00:28] <exobuzz> love the vertical shot though
[00:29] <Oli``> Yeah they ["close up lenses"] are usually just extra glass that magnifies. Usually adds chroma distortion and eats light.
[00:29] <hamitron> the idea is to point the camera up?
[00:30] <exobuzz> so . knowing your stuff. are these lenses worth 750 quid. i mean.. do you think they have abig market?
[00:30] <exobuzz> like speciality stuff
[00:30] <exobuzz> markup
[00:30] <exobuzz> not market. sorry
[00:31] <exobuzz> i mean. these days i thought optical stuff is relatively cheap to make
[00:31] <Oli``> Still very easy to do poorly.
[00:31] <exobuzz> wonder if its a niche.. then again you can pay £800 for 2 bose speakers. and i paid £150 for my non bose speakers. and they are fine..
[00:32] <exobuzz> you can pay £400 for a kettle lead from one audiophile company. im just questioning if lenses suffers similar stuff, or, its real value
[00:32] <exobuzz> i know nothing. just asking
[00:32] <exobuzz> :)
[00:32] <Oli``> It's usually a bit more empirical with glass. You can measure distortion, focus speed, light drop-off etc
[00:32] <exobuzz> i know i wouldnt pay £400 for a kettle lead though
[00:33] <exobuzz> i see
[00:33] <hamitron> even if it was the last kettle lead in the world and you needed coffee?
[00:33] <hamitron> ;)
[00:33] <exobuzz> hamitron, now.. what a situation :)
[00:33] <exobuzz> aa+
[00:33] <Oli``> Hob? Microwave? Lighter?
[00:33] <exobuzz> lol
[00:34] <hamitron> we'd be boiling a kettle over candles on our comp desk
[00:34] <Oli``> I have a USB hotplate somewhere actually...
[00:34] <exobuzz> i cracked an egg on my stove once. and it cooked lovely. cept the layer of soot
[00:34] <exobuzz> intersting taste
[00:34] <exobuzz> next time i use a pan
[00:35] <hamitron> Oli``: how much current it need?
[00:35] <exobuzz> Oli``, i can see that frying my laptop usb power tracks before the thing works
[00:35] <Oli``> hamitron: two usb plugs. I'm not electrical - I couldn't tell you how much it was pulling.
[00:35] <hamitron> I fancy a kettle with ethernet if you can get one
[00:35] <exobuzz> if you had that camera btw.. hung around your neck http://www.sandydan.com/photo/wide/fish/adapter.jpg - i guess you must be careful it doesnt hang too low right
[00:36] <exobuzz> sorry to bring it up again
[00:36] <exobuzz> maybe its just me
[00:36] <hamitron> power off the mains though
[00:36] <exobuzz> its very phallic
[00:36] <Oli``> hamitron: a NAK?
[00:36] <Oli``> (network attached kettle)
[00:36]  * hamitron shrugs
[00:36] <hamitron> yeh
[00:36] <exobuzz> haha
[00:36] <Oli``> nice idea
[00:36] <exobuzz> its real.. we have a reference
[00:36] <exobuzz> needs wikipedia article
[00:37] <hamitron> set it to boil, go relieve myself, then make coffee quickly
[00:37] <exobuzz> just link to irc archives
[00:37] <Oli``> We could do with all sorts of NAAs (Network Attached Appliances)
[00:37] <Oli``> "Oh blast, I forgot to turn the tumble dryer on", reach for phone, done.
[00:37] <exobuzz> what about a recursive one. NAN. network atached naan. ok. im being stupid now and it doesnt work. nite
[00:37] <exobuzz> :)
[00:37] <hamitron> bugger if you have no credit :/
[00:38] <hamitron> but honestly, a USB powered coffee mug would be most useful in this weather
[00:39] <hamitron> keep it warm :/
[00:39] <Oli``> I'd love to learn enough electronics to do that. And network in all the lights, perhaps have a thermometer and radiator control in each room too.
[00:39]  * hamitron would just like a radiator before he gets all fancy
[00:39] <Oli``> lol
[00:42] <bigcalm> Time for sleep I fear
[00:42] <bigcalm> Taaraa
[00:42] <hamitron> :/
[00:42] <hamitron> laters
[00:42] <hamitron> think I may turn on some comps to warm this room up actually
[00:43] <JamesMR> hamitron: I use computers as radiators all the time
[00:43] <JamesMR> heating's broken
[00:43] <hamitron> it works :)
[00:44] <hamitron> not so good if you let it get too cold though
[00:44] <hamitron> I have a cheap ass motherboard that turns the speed of the fan down with cooler temps
[00:44] <hamitron> and it auto powers off when the cpu fan gets to 0 rpm :/
[00:46] <hamitron> I'd say most PSU I have vibrate at low temp too
[00:52] <exobuzz> This channel is publicly logged at ... oh no
[00:53] <exobuzz> im sorry for everything i ever said
[00:56] <hamitron> I'll forgive you for a small fee exobuzz
[00:56] <hamitron> ;/
[00:57] <exobuzz> 1p ?
[00:57] <hamitron> oh noes, not money
[00:57] <hamitron> just remember you owe me... ;)
[01:04] <exobuzz> what do i owe you ?
[01:04] <exobuzz> :)
[01:04] <exobuzz> i almost did some bad  char ascii art. then stopped myself.. ban material
[01:04] <exobuzz> :)
[01:04] <exobuzz> 4 char
[01:04] <hamitron> well, if we wanna put a value on it... lets call it 10 backrubs
[01:05] <hamitron> :D
[01:05] <exobuzz> i was thinking to offer an 8 an = another = another = and a o
[01:05] <exobuzz> :)
[01:05] <exobuzz> 5 chars sorry. i lengthened it specially for you
[01:06] <exobuzz> i am horrified with myself now. and i shall stop talking..
[01:06]  * hamitron is confused
[01:06] <hamitron> haha
[01:07] <hamitron> gonna blame the cold and time, making me tired
[01:07] <hamitron> sounds better than admitting to being stupid... yeh? ;/
[01:07] <hamitron> :)
[01:08] <exobuzz> :) im unsure what is what.. i can only say that my beer is empty, i think you are doing fine .. with whatever you/we are doing. im not sure what it is
[01:08] <exobuzz> :)
[01:09] <exobuzz> what were we talking about ?
[01:09] <exobuzz> oh yeh. ubuntu
[01:09] <exobuzz> ubuntu is nice. cept when it isnt..
[01:10] <hamitron> I've started to hate it
[01:10] <exobuzz> like mdadm/unity, window gadget positioning/smug ubuntu devs
[01:10] <exobuzz> :)
[01:10] <hamitron> like everything else
[01:10] <hamitron> haha
[01:10] <hamitron> the last 10 years of computing has really killed it for me
[01:12] <hamitron> ubuntu is the best though ;/
[01:12] <exobuzz> spectrum <-> c5 <-> someother stuff <-> pc <-> ps3 <-> spectrum <-> <- you are here
[01:12] <Nafallo> woha
[01:12] <Nafallo> nafallo@parakeet:~$ find .ubuntuone/Purchased\ from\ Ubuntu\ One/ -type f -print | wc -l
[01:12] <Nafallo> 401
[01:12] <Nafallo> \o/
[01:13] <hamitron> the days of the pentium 1 and 2 were my favourite
[01:13] <hamitron> :)
[01:13] <hamitron> well, 586 as a whole
[01:14] <Nafallo> hmm
[01:14] <Nafallo> nafallo@parakeet:~$ ssh smurf.lan uname -m
[01:14] <Nafallo> i586
[01:14] <Nafallo> one of these? ;-)
[01:15] <hamitron> yeh
[01:15] <hamitron> :)
[01:15] <Nafallo> just installed my Cobalt with a new kernel today. all seems to work, so will put it in a data centre tomorrow if all goes well :-)
[01:16] <hamitron> :)
[01:17] <hamitron> tbh, something like an ARM machine may save my interest
[01:17] <Nafallo> eeeew
[01:17] <Nafallo> just get a mobile phone damnit :-P
[01:17] <hamitron> I hate phones
[01:17] <Nafallo> they are more like computers these days anyway :-)
[01:18] <hamitron> I need a 12" screen
[01:18] <hamitron> well, I need a 10" screen but want 12"
[01:18] <Nafallo> "need"?
[01:18] <hamitron> ;)
[01:18] <Nafallo> sounds more like a netbook ;-)
[01:18] <hamitron> yeh
[01:18] <hamitron> gimme one of them, that takes a sim card
[01:18] <hamitron> :D
[01:19] <Nafallo> seems they are usually SD, not SIM ;-)
[01:19] <hamitron> and a bluetooth headset, doubt I could get away with whipping it out on the street
[01:19] <hamitron> and a bluetooth remote control pad
[01:19] <hamitron> :/
[01:20] <hamitron> bah, I hate phones anyway
[01:20] <hamitron> just want to get back to slower PC... less need for upgrades all the time
[01:37] <LSEactuary> join/ #km0201
[04:19] <Jora> hi
[07:41] <czajkowski> bah
[07:56] <AlanBell> morning
[07:59] <AlanBell> get a good nights sleep czajkowski?
[08:02] <czajkowski> nope
[08:02] <czajkowski> not slept yet
[08:02] <czajkowski> was too cold
[08:03] <AlanBell> and the airport is looking firmly shut from the website http://www.heathrowairport.com/
[08:04] <czajkowski> it is
[08:04] <czajkowski> next flight I can get out is Tuesday at 10am
[08:04] <AlanBell> ick
[08:05] <AlanBell> what are you planning to do now?
[08:05] <czajkowski> I've no idea :(
[08:05] <czajkowski> it could take 5 hrs to get back to Aldershot now
[08:05] <czajkowski> and I have a 10am flight on Tuesday
[08:06] <czajkowski> so I've to stay around this neck of the woods anyways
[08:09] <czajkowski> just rand dad he's a bit pood about it, nspoken to the mothership she wont handle it well
[08:10] <czajkowski> security on front door to stop people coming in
[08:10] <AlanBell> I am struggling to suggest anything
[08:10] <czajkowski> me too
[08:10] <czajkowski> *shrugs*
[08:10] <czajkowski> nothing I can do really
[08:41] <danfish> ahoy hoy!
[08:43] <danfish> czajkowski: bad luck - at least the bars are open 24/7!
[08:47] <czajkowski> nope
[08:47] <czajkowski> danfish: they close at 11 on the dot
[08:47] <czajkowski> feckers
[08:51] <danfish> czajkowski: the ba***rds >:(
[08:51] <czajkowski> indeed
[08:52] <czajkowski> kicking 200 people out of a pub at 11 into an already full airport was not a good idea
[08:53] <danfish> the crazy thing is that the staff probably couldn't get home
[08:54] <czajkowski> they've stopped staff shuttles today
[09:03] <danfish> a very poor attempt to cheer up czajkowski follows -
[09:03] <danfish> there was a young lady named czajkowski
[09:03] <danfish> who was stuck at an airport on her ownski
[09:03] <danfish> the pubs were all shut
[09:04] <danfish> she was freezing her butt
[09:04] <danfish> so she went on a tech spending spree
[09:05] <danfish> ...which just goes to prove that my English teacher was right ;)
[09:45] <czajkowski> lol
[10:00] <daubers> Morning all
[10:01] <daubers> czajkowski: Trains not running very well?
[10:02] <daubers> czajkowski: National rail enquiries suggests you could get back to aldershot in 1h37, but that may not match reality!
[10:23] <nperry>  only thing is daubers is getting back again
[10:26] <daubers> nperry: From aldershot?
[10:27] <nperry> just through all of those other people that are missing flights
[10:29] <popey> morning
[10:29] <AlanBell> o/ popey
[10:30] <daubers> nperry: o/
[10:31] <daubers> popey: That little amd athlon has virtualisation extensions too
[10:31] <popey> hah, neat
[10:31]  * popey wonders if czajkowski needs picking up from LHR
[10:31] <nperry> o/
[10:31] <popey> i thought LHR were supposed to be clearing the runways overnight
[10:31] <popey> thts what their twitter sayd
[10:31] <popey> *said
[10:32] <daubers> popey: It ditched down there again
[10:32] <popey> oh, overnight?
[10:32] <daubers> apparently
[10:32] <AlanBell> http://www.heathrowairport.com/
[10:33] <MartijnVdS> We got 20cm overnight
[10:33] <MartijnVdS> Good thing it's Sunday, or the economy would collapse again :)
[10:34] <popey> golly
[10:34] <popey> czajkowski: found some powere?
[10:34] <popey> might be worth buying a 4 way extension so you can share it with others :)
[10:36] <nperry> wonder if there is any ubuntu users other then czajkowski
[10:55] <czajkowski> just booked into a hotel
[10:55] <czajkowski> well made a reservation need to get there now
[10:55] <czajkowski> just need to get passed security who are dealing with a lot of angry folks trying to get in here.
[10:59] <czajkowski> popey: thanks for asking
[10:59] <AlanBell> czajkowski: sounds like a better plan, and I am sure you will get a flight out by Christmas
[11:00] <AlanBell> and hey, if tuesday doesn't work out you can come to the christmas party \o/
[11:01] <czajkowski> AlanBell: don';t make me kill you :)
[11:01] <czajkowski> tuesday comes and I'm still here, there is going to be an almightly killing spree
[11:01] <daubers> czajkowski: Or you could come to the party and just gt rat arsed?
[11:01] <czajkowski> if I'm here tuesday I'll be poking Davisc for a lift to ferry
[11:01] <czajkowski> there is that
[11:01] <MartijnVdS> ooh another stack of snow is coming our way (.nl)
[11:01] <czajkowski> hmm cant check into 2
[11:02] <czajkowski> MartijnVdS: hush up about snow
[11:02] <czajkowski> it's a pain in the ass
[11:02] <MartijnVdS> czajkowski: if it's coming our way, it's not coming your way... :)
[11:03] <czajkowski> thats what they said last night..
[11:03] <czajkowski> then mothership sees on sky news flights taking off, checks website flights still showing as running
[11:03] <czajkowski> there is a definate lack of getting the information out to all of the channels
[11:04] <dwatkins> Is it still snowing there, czajkowski?
[11:04]  * AlanBell hugs poor tired czajkowski
[11:04] <czajkowski> dwatkins: little bits here and there but nothing to actualy stop flying, issue is seemingly............. 7 inches yesterday 5 over night, added ice to the mix, planes frozen and there are 200 grounded flights here none of which can be moved
[11:04] <czajkowski> dwatkins: this is what we're being told here
[11:05] <czajkowski> logging off
[11:05] <czajkowski> bbiab
[11:05] <dwatkins> c ya
[11:13] <mattt> ffs, i hope i can get out tuesday
[11:14] <MartijnVdS> I hope I can go out this afternoon :)
[11:14] <MartijnVdS> out of the house that is
[11:15] <mattt> you guys snowed in too?
[11:15] <MartijnVdS> yeah, 10cm yesterday, 15-20 overnight
[11:15] <MartijnVdS> and more on the way
[11:15] <nperry> Why wont Braid change my resoultion, I can't read it as its in the middle of my two screens
[11:15] <MartijnVdS> nperry: which video driver do you have? it's probably asking for a non-existing resolution
[11:16] <MartijnVdS> or it did change resolution and your video card is not scaling it up
[11:16] <MartijnVdS> or your monitor
[11:16] <nperry> Not sure :P
[11:16] <MartijnVdS> configure it to use the native resolution of your screen (if that's possible)
[11:16] <MartijnVdS> problem solved \o/
[11:17] <nperry> Not to sure its possible
[11:17] <popey> yeah, i have had games do that
[11:17] <MartijnVdS> nperry: most of those indie bundle games are configurable
[11:17] <popey> switch off the second screen in the nvidia settings thing first
[11:17] <MartijnVdS> World of Goo was \o/
[12:01] <_H> I have a hall way I just measured and if it where a square it would have two sides measuring 5580mm and the other side would be 3788mm what's the sum I need to do for the area?
[12:02] <maco> it's not a sum, it's a product
[12:02] <dwatkins> That's not square, _H, it's a rectangle... ;-)
[12:03] <MartijnVdS> _H: length * width = area
[12:03] <dwatkins> but yes, just multiply them to get the number of square mm, or multiply the number of metres to get the number of square metres
[12:03] <_H> calc 5580*3788
[12:03] <MartijnVdS> _H: cm * cm = cm², mm * mm = mm², m * m = m² (etc. :))
[12:03] <MartijnVdS> inch * inch = sq. inch
[12:03] <_H> 21137040
[12:03] <_H> 21137040 mm
[12:04] <MartijnVdS> mm2
[12:04] <MartijnVdS> 21.1 m2
[13:00] <brobostigon> afternoonings all.
[13:02] <MartijnVdS> \o brobostigonman
[13:02] <brobostigon> hey MartijnVdS :)
[13:23] <wdh> I tried installing ubuntu 10.04 to a small server (fitpc) using a thumbdrive. It will install fine, but after removing the flashdrive from the system and changing the boot-order in the BIOS to boot from the harddrive again, GRUB gives me an error 15 on booting. Any idea how to fix this?
[13:24] <MartijnVdS> that's "file not found"
[13:25] <MartijnVdS> because your disks got renumbered/etc.
[13:25] <wdh> yes.. thats what google told me as well, but I cannot seem to find out why it cannot find the file
[13:25] <MartijnVdS> make sure everything is UUID-based
[13:25] <MartijnVdS> in grub's config
[13:25] <MartijnVdS> or because the disks got renumbered and it's looking in the wrong place
[13:26] <wdh> where is GRUB config located these days? It used to be /boot/grub/menu.lst, but that doesnt seem to exist anymore
[13:26] <popey> hehe i did that yesterday
[13:26] <brobostigon> !grub2
[13:26] <popey> because I stupidly installed grub on the usb stick
[13:26] <MartijnVdS> wdh: /boot/grub/*.cnf
[13:26] <popey> fixed by booting from usb to teh hard disk and doing "sudo grub-install /dev/sda"
[13:27] <MartijnVdS> wdh: generated from /etc/grub.d/
[13:28] <wdh> popey, i'll try that
[13:28] <popey> assuming /dev/sda is the first disk you want to use :)
[13:28] <wdh> it is :)
[13:29] <MartijnVdS> wdh: hoe krijg je het weer voor elkaar ;)
[13:29] <wdh> /dev/sda does not have any corresponding BIOS drive
[13:29] <wdh> guess i got some work to do in the bios again :)
[13:30] <MartijnVdS> nah, bios probably only enumerates boot drive
[13:30] <MartijnVdS> which is why it breaks?
[13:30] <MartijnVdS> or is it some RAID device?
[13:30] <wdh> no.. it's a 250GB laptop drive which on IDE
[13:39] <steve__> hello
[13:40] <steve__> need help please ? does anyone wanna waste 15 minutes ?
[13:41] <brobostigon> steve__: how can we help, what is the issue/problem you are experiencing. ?
[13:41] <steve__> please the matter is ...
[13:41] <steve__> simply i have to build a script
[13:41] <steve__> a bash script
[13:42] <steve__> i have to open two gnome-terminal sessions
[13:42] <steve__> and
[13:42] <steve__> execute differents command in both terminal
[13:43] <steve__> forgive my english
[13:43] <steve__> i mean
[13:43] <steve__> i have to open a terminal
[13:43] <steve__> and give a acommand to open another one
[13:44] <steve__> and in the second one i must be able to execute
[13:44] <steve__> another command
[13:44] <steve__> that's all
[13:45] <steve__> TY
[13:46] <steve__> any soul ? :)
[13:47] <wdh> steve__, sounds trivial to me, but i'm not very good with bash. You might have more luck in #bash
[13:48] <steve__> ok thanks anyway and happy Xmas
[13:56] <brobostigon> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Windows_and_Linux hmm, why a comparison, yes windows is a family of operating systems. however linux is only a kernel, can you really compare a kernel to a wholefamily of operating systems.
[13:59] <brobostigon> it would make more sense, to compare windows with, debian or example, a complete OS, rather than justlinux  on its own.
[14:06] <popey> brobostigon: have you actually read it?
[14:06] <popey> it does compare windows to various distros
[14:06] <brobostigon> popey: yes, and it compares linux as an OS next to windows. i have an issue with the title only,
[14:09] <wdh> then change it
[14:09] <wdh> that is what wikipedia is about, isn't it?
[14:10] <brobostigon> my issue has been discussed enough times already, so there is little point, in bringing it up again.
[14:12] <brobostigon> gnu/linux might be better, to discribe the OS's in which linux is used.
[14:12]  * brobostigon leaves the issue now.
[14:32] <cbx33> hey
[14:32] <cbx33> any peeps in here know much about audio/visual?
[14:33] <cbx33> need someone who knows about dolby,DTS and the like
[14:34] <popey> cbx33: wassup?
[14:34] <cbx33> hey popey
[14:34] <cbx33> thinking about getting an AV receiver
[14:34] <cbx33> but a little confused with all the format chatter
[14:35] <popey> :)
[14:35] <cbx33> so
[14:35] <popey> what will you be playing back?
[14:35] <cbx33> well here's the thing
[14:35] <cbx33> I'll have a PS3
[14:35] <popey> analog telly, virgin HD, sky HD, blueray, DVD?
[14:35] <cbx33> and that'll be playing dvds and any bluray
[14:35] <popey> ok
[14:35] <cbx33> then there will be TV from a humax (only standard def) - so we can ignore that
[14:35] <popey> not really
[14:35] <cbx33> I was looking at the sony strdh510
[14:36] <popey> the humax does optical out doesnt it?
[14:36] <popey> 9200T?
[14:36] <cbx33> yesh
[14:36] <cbx33> oh i hadn't thought of that
[14:36] <cbx33> heh
[14:36] <cbx33> i was gonna hook it up with analog cables
[14:36] <cbx33> :)
[14:36] <cbx33> now that sony, does Dolby Digital 5.1
[14:37] <cbx33> which is fine in terms of the speakers I was looking at
[14:37] <cbx33> I don't want 7.1
[14:38] <popey> yeah, I have a 6.1 decoder/amp but "only" 5.1 speakers
[14:38] <popey> and if you have a humax 9200T doing freeview you'll get Dolby Pro Logic out of it
[14:38] <popey> which is better than telly speakers in most places
[14:38] <cbx33> oh nice
[14:38] <cbx33> so my issue is
[14:39] <cbx33> the 510 doesn't do DTS
[14:39] <popey> the 510?
[14:39] <cbx33> the sony
[14:39] <popey> is that an amp?
[14:39] <popey> ah
[14:39] <cbx33> yes
[14:39] <cbx33> the AV receiver
[14:39] <cbx33> http://www.sony.co.uk/product/hcs-home-cinema-receiver/str-dh510#pageType=TechnicalSpecs
[14:39] <popey> how many of your DVD/Blue Ray collection are in DTS?
[14:40] <bigcalm> Minecraft is down? :(
[14:40] <cbx33> i don't know without looking through them....but what I want to know is....what will i hear if I play them
[14:40] <cbx33> will i hear anything?
[14:40] <popey> yes
[14:40] <cbx33> now that's presumably because seemingly all of them have dolby digital 5.1 on them
[14:40] <cbx33> and seemingly all have htat decoding capability
[14:40] <popey> brobostigon: looks that way
[14:41] <popey> i havent looked at recent kit cbx33 but that would sound plausible
[14:41] <cbx33> right
[14:41] <cbx33> so if the industry moved away from putting dolby digital 5.1 on blurays
[14:41] <cbx33> in favour of dts-hd as a standard for example
[14:41] <cbx33> I would be unable to play them?
[14:42] <popey> you'd upgrade your hardware like a good little consume wouldn't you? :)
[14:42] <cbx33> popey.....in my current setup.....what does the decoding?
[14:42] <cbx33> blu ray -> tv
[14:42] <cbx33> sorry
[14:42] <cbx33> ps3 -> tv
[14:42] <cbx33> i presume the ps3
[14:43] <popey> how are they connected?
[14:43] <cbx33> hdmi
[14:43] <danfish> popey: popeycam shows your garage window is open
[14:43] <popey> danfish: its fine
[14:43] <popey> thanks
[14:43] <danfish> np :)
[14:44] <popey> not sure cbx33 I dont have a ps3
[14:44] <popey> nor any bd
[14:44] <cbx33> oh
[14:45] <cbx33> heheh
[14:45] <cbx33> maybe the two communicate
[14:45] <popey> haha
[14:45] <cbx33> i mean like capabilities
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[14:45] <cbx33> hahah
[14:45] <cbx33> ok ok ok
[14:46] <cbx33> :p
[14:51] <gord> fyi, the ps3 is still the best bluray player around
[14:52] <gord> mainly just because it gets patches to support all the latest stuff, its even better than sony blu ray players
[14:52] <cbx33> heh
[14:52] <cbx33> good good
[14:52] <cbx33> but where is audio decoded?
[14:52] <cbx33> :p
[14:52] <cbx33> i'm guessing it must be on the ps3
[14:52]  * brobostigon dissappears, he is fed up.
[14:54] <gord> i would actually guess that the audio gets decoded AFTER the hdmi cable, so ps3 -> hdmi -> decoded here
[14:54] <cbx33> on the tv?
[14:54] <popey> that would make sense
[14:54] <gord> yeah
[14:54] <cbx33> hmm
[14:54] <cbx33> ok
[14:55] <gord> although the ps3 also has optical out, i'm not 100% on how that works but i think its a similiar situation
[14:55] <popey> optical out means decoding is done on the other end of the optical cable
[14:55] <gord> i keep trying to find some optical in 5.1 speakers but i can't find anything thats not £1000 :(
[14:56] <cbx33> gord - cheaper to buy an AV receiver + speakers
[14:56] <gord> my tv doesn't support adding more speakers and really don't want to get a reciever just for surround sound (my tv has like 5 hdmi inputs so i don't need it for that)
[14:56] <cbx33> I've been loooking for AGES
[14:56] <gord> cheeper, but i dont' want one :)
[14:57] <cbx33> heheh
[14:58] <gord> one day, someone is going to invent really high transmission wifi tech and i'll get rid of all the cables behind my tv and life will be wonderful
[15:01] <Darael> gord: But nobody will implement it without some horrible DRM, and by that time the bastards will have made it illegal to use anything but an authorised bit of kit, which costs £lots.
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[15:18] <gord> hdmi/bluray is already hugly infested with drm from the disk to the tv
[15:18] <gord> this horrible world you describe already happened
[15:18] <popey> bigcalm: http://twitter.com/#!/notch/status/16501337374064640
[15:19] <bigcalm> Poop
[15:19] <bigcalm> Ta :)
[15:19] <gord> i bet lots of people are trying to purchase minecraft before the price goes up tomorrow ;)
[15:21] <bigcalm> It's going to Beta tomorrow?
[15:24] <gord> tis
[15:26] <bigcalm> There is only one Bassnectar album on Spotify, how very irritating
[15:49] <nperry> Why do people compare androis os and chrome os...
[15:49] <nperry> Not even the same target device :<
[16:03] <sam_010203> hello?
[16:45] <Stefano> any bash expert please ?
[16:52] <Azelphur> Anyone here use Sky broadband and a lot of bandwith (200+GB/mo)
[16:52] <Azelphur> I heard a while back they have no FUP, this still true?
[17:03] <DJones> Azelphur: I use Sky broadband, they don't have any caps
[17:03] <Azelphur> cool
[17:03] <Azelphur> DJones: I get through a lot of bandwith
[17:03] <Azelphur> like 600GB/mo
[17:03] <DJones> Ouch
[17:03] <Azelphur> 5 heavy users under one roof :)
[17:03] <Azelphur> Sky should be ok though, right?
[17:04] <Stefano> any 'bash' expert please ?
[17:04] <DJones> Azelphur: I wouldn't like to say at that sort of levels, I probably use a max of 50Gb
[17:05] <Azelphur> DJones: haha
[17:22] <cr215> hi eeryone.  i am chris.  i think i am haing a sound input issue.  my internal mic works fine with the sound recorder program in the applications menu, but it wont work on skypr and google oice and other online things.  can anyone help me?
[17:30] <Stefano> hi cr215
[17:36] <LSEactuary> i need some help with ubuntu. i installed it yesterday and someone from the forum helped me install windoes xp as a section of ubuntu so i could sync my phone. however i find ubuntu is really annoying because my mouse turns off after 10 mins, i cant seem to use any of my discs, install anything, etc
[17:37] <LSEactuary> and i tired changing my theme from ubuntu to an apple one off the lifehacker.com website and it didnt work
[17:43] <LSEactuary> anyone there?
[17:47] <MartijnVdS> !weekend
[17:48]  * Azelphur stabs the weekend
[17:48] <MartijnVdS> it's not dead yeat
[17:48] <LSEactuary> i work during the week :(
[17:48] <MartijnVdS> yet*
[17:50] <LSEactuary> okay does anyone know where i can download a windows XP instlalartion CD form because ubuntu is really confusing, and i really dont like it
[17:50] <MartijnVdS> you don't download them, you buy them
[17:50] <LSEactuary> i dont have one
[17:50] <MartijnVdS> But what is your problem exacly? Which article did you read?
[17:50] <brobostigon> !illegal
[17:50] <LSEactuary> everything came preinstaled
[17:51] <brobostigon> LSEactuary: as long as you have a licence, you should be able to get a c matching that licence.
[17:51] <Azelphur> LSEactuary: #windows is that way -->
[17:51] <LSEactuary> i cant find the number/documents or anything. hence i installed ubuntu. bur its rubbish. i cant use any programme i used tp
[17:52] <LSEactuary> yesterday a guy helped me make a 'partition' so that i could use windows as a vitualbox but im experiencing so many problems
[17:52] <LSEactuary> i would rather just install widnows again
[17:52] <Azelphur> LSEactuary: #windows is still that way -->
[17:53] <LSEactuary> huh?
[17:53] <Azelphur> if you want support with Ubuntu, ask a Ubuntu question, if you want support with windows, go to the windows channel
[17:53] <LSEactuary> which is where?
[17:53] <Azelphur> LSEactuary: #windows >.>
[17:53] <brobostigon> #windows
[17:53] <LSEactuary> very funny
[17:53] <brobostigon>  /join #windows
[17:53] <Azelphur> type ^
[17:53] <brobostigon> LSEactuary: it is no joke.
[17:53] <LSEactuary> oh
[17:53] <Azelphur> indeed
[17:54] <Azelphur> LSEactuary: we're happy to help with any problems your having with Ubuntu, but if you have your mind set and want to use Windows, go ask them for help with windows :p
[17:55] <LSEactuary> i dont mind using ubuntu but its just useless for everything i need.
[17:55] <Azelphur> LSEactuary: that's not really a question or something we can solve :/
[17:55] <Azelphur> if you just keep saying it sucks and is useless, then your wasting everyones time including your own
[17:55] <Azelphur> if you actually want to say something constructive, get on with it
[17:56] <LSEactuary> okay fine. i want to install a programme (ISO file) and its not letting me do that. ive installed a xp virtualbox so i can sync my iphone but i cannt seem to use the xp version without my mouse vanishing
[17:57] <Azelphur> LSEactuary: an iso file isn't a program it's a disk image, you don't install it
[17:57] <Azelphur> what program is it?
[17:57] <LSEactuary> i want to make the desktop look like a mac and did google around but macbuntu is virused or something but i dont like the layout
[17:57] <LSEactuary> sonic digital media home edition
[17:57] <brobostigon> !wine
[17:57] <Azelphur> LSEactuary: what does it do?
[17:58] <Azelphur> never heard of that one before
[17:58] <brobostigon> LSEactuary: if its a windows prog, have youchecked if it will runnunder wine ?
[17:58] <Azelphur> brobostigon: check for native alternatives first :)
[17:58] <Azelphur> brobostigon: wine is the last resort xD
[17:58] <brobostigon> Azelphur: i agree.
[17:58] <LSEactuary> it burns my home movies onto a DVD RW and lets me customise dvd menus
[17:58] <Azelphur> LSEactuary: install devede, it does the same thing
[17:58] <Azelphur> I make loads of dvd's with menus using devede, it's in the software center
[17:59] <brobostigon> !devede
[17:59] <brobostigon> !info devede
[17:59] <Azelphur> LSEactuary: devede is also free :)
[18:04] <_H> anyone know where I can aquire a 233 cm by 117 cm manual projection screen? like a roller blind but with a black back and a white front
[18:05] <_H> I want to be able to use it as a projection screen and also a normal blind [duel use]
[18:05] <LSEactuary> is it like MS?
[18:05] <Azelphur> LSEactuary: ?
[18:06] <LSEactuary> devde
[18:06] <Azelphur> LSEactuary: http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm read this
[18:06] <Azelphur> mainly problem #1 and maybe problem #2 :P
[18:06] <brobostigon> LSEactuary: can i ask a question, did the person who helped you install ubuntu, tell you about these possible implications ?
[18:06] <LSEactuary> lol
[18:11] <Azelphur> LSEactuary: any other stuff your msising besides a tool to author DVDs?
[18:11] <LSEactuary> itunes
[18:11] <Azelphur> LSEactuary: rthymbox
[18:11] <Azelphur> it can do iphones too I believe
[18:12] <brobostigon> yes, i believe so.
[18:12] <brobostigon> !info libgpod
[18:12] <brobostigon> !info libipod
[18:12] <brobostigon> !info libpod
[18:12] <Azelphur> brobostigon: fail :p
[18:12] <Azelphur> LSEactuary: that one ships with Ubuntu, so it's already in Applications > Sound & Video
[18:13] <brobostigon> http://libipod.sourceforge.net/
[18:13] <LSEactuary> is there a way of changing the layout - make it look like a amac
[18:13] <Azelphur> LSEactuary: yes, but why make it look like a mac, macs are ugly
[18:13]  * brobostigon goes for food, brb.
[18:13] <LSEactuary> i like macs
[18:13] <Azelphur> LSEactuary: http://game.azelphur.com/forum/post-your-desktop#comment-151
[18:13] <Azelphur> check out my desktop ;)
[18:13] <Azelphur> I'd take that shizzle over maccrap any day
[18:14] <LSEactuary> thats just overkill! lol
[18:14] <Azelphur> ;)
[18:15] <LSEactuary> another gut here installed macbuntu yesterday and it messed up his computer. hence i want a safe version...
[18:15]  * popey notes that Azelphur clearly hasn't seen recent default ubuntu desktops
[18:15] <Azelphur> LSEactuary: it's even more overkill when I tell you that I have the same setup...on my netbook :D
[18:15] <popey> which look very similar to osx
[18:15] <Azelphur> popey: haha
[18:15] <Azelphur> I have, my mum runs default
[18:15] <popey> :)
[18:16] <popey> http://popey.com/webcam/ my poor snowman looks lonely
[18:16] <LSEactuary> brb
[18:16] <exobuzz> popey, make him a friend!
[18:17] <Azelphur> popey: pro snowman :p
[18:17] <exobuzz> nice snowman though
[18:17] <Azelphur> exobuzz: are you in the UK?
[18:17] <exobuzz> yeh.
[18:17] <Azelphur> what ISP you with to use all that bandwith?
[18:17] <exobuzz> be
[18:18] <Azelphur> I see
[18:18] <Azelphur> they ain't available in my area :(
[18:20] <bigcalm> Good evening peeps
[18:20] <exobuzz> Azelphur, where are you ?
[18:20] <Azelphur> Margate, Kent
[18:20] <popey> hullo bigcalm
[18:21] <Azelphur> think I'm going to be a Sky customer.
[18:21] <popey> haha
[18:21]  * popey points and laughs
[18:21] <Azelphur> why? :p
[18:21] <bigcalm> Heh
[18:21] <bigcalm> Aww
[18:22] <Azelphur> they are unbundled in my area and have unlimited with no fup
[18:22] <Azelphur> sounds like a good deal *shrug*
[18:22] <popey> no fup you say
[18:22] <exobuzz> http://www.samknows.com/broadband/exchange/NDTHA
[18:22] <Azelphur> popey: yup
[18:23] <popey> they do
[18:23] <popey> they call it something else :)
[18:24] <popey> http://www.sky.com/shop/terms-conditions/broadband/usage-policies/
[18:24] <bigcalm> I have an idea to add a ambient sound scape feature to my joggler alarm clock for those who find it hard to get to sleep. Add it as a feature or start it as a new app?
[18:24] <Azelphur> popey: http://tinyurl.com/fwdunlimited
[18:24]  * Azelphur looks
[18:24] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: sounds like an mp3 player ;)
[18:24] <popey> I'd prefer to look at a url on skys website than five
[18:25] <Azelphur> popey: that appears to just be for the cheaper sky packages that has a cap, they have more than package
[18:25] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: ambient soundscape mp3s ;)
[18:25] <Azelphur> they have 2GB, 40GB and unlimited
[18:25] <Azelphur> so from what I can see it's what happens if you go over on the capped cheaper packages
[18:25] <popey> where does it say that?
[18:25] <Azelphur> "If you subscribe to a Product that has a cap on the amount of data that you download"
[18:25] <popey> ahh
[18:26] <Azelphur> :D
[18:26] <Azelphur> and that link I gave is the gadget show giving them props for having no fup
[18:26] <exobuzz> they do traffic management stuff though
[18:26] <Azelphur> exobuzz: what kind of traffic management?
[18:27] <exobuzz> in the usage policies
[18:27] <exobuzz> In addition, we monitor customers who use the most bandwidth and whose usage is having a negative effect on other customers. Customers who breach the Usage Cap or who regularly download large amounts at peak times will have restrictions placed on their accounts to reduce their download speeds at peak times.
[18:27] <exobuzz> that too
[18:27] <LSEactuary> how do you join windows?
[18:27] <exobuzz> so download too much at peak times, and they might throttle you
[18:27] <Azelphur> exobuzz: haha
[18:27] <popey> LSEactuary: you need a registered nickname I think
[18:28] <popey> !register | LSEactuary
[18:28] <LSEactuary> as in the live chat
[18:28] <LSEactuary> and to talk to a specific member?
[18:28] <Azelphur> exobuzz: still gotta be better than what I'm on now, 60GB peak times, unlimited off peak with a FUP
[18:29] <popey> download less?
[18:29] <Azelphur> popey: never :p
[18:29] <LSEactuary> do we type /join and then the memebers name?
[18:29] <cr215> my mic doesnt work with skype or google voice or icall but it works in the voice record application, however in sound settings the input level is not shown going up or on even though it is in sound recorder...  some people who were unable to help with my problem in #ubuntu reffered me here
[18:29] <cr215> cna somebody help me?
[18:29] <popey> LSEactuary: see the link I just posted
[18:30] <exobuzz> http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/world/all-internet-porn-will-be-blocked-to-protect-children-under-uk-government-plan/story-e6frfkui-1225973481287
[18:30] <LSEactuary> i am regsitered!
[18:30] <popey> LSEactuary: you aren't signed in
[18:30] <popey> to freenode
[18:30] <LSEactuary> oh
[18:30] <LSEactuary> im on xchat
[18:30] <Azelphur> exobuzz: suddenly, a wild china appears.
[18:31] <cr215> exobuzz:whatttttttt???  thats messed up..   i live in philadelphia and i heard that there are cameras everywhere recording everybody in the uk is that true?  there are a few being put up in philly too
[18:31] <MartijnVdS> someone will claim some point from ECHR and the rule will be gone
[18:31] <MartijnVdS> EDHR*
[18:31] <cr215> its so totalitarian i hate it
[18:31] <Azelphur> exobuzz: yup that's true, on an average day a UK citizen is on camera like 200 times a day
[18:31] <Azelphur> cameras everywhere
[18:32] <MartijnVdS> no it's C
[18:32] <MartijnVdS> you're all welcome in .nl
[18:32] <cr215> yea there slowly putting up more and more in philly
[18:32] <Azelphur> I just wish they'd apply the same rules to the internet as they do for other similar industries
[18:33] <cr215> when i lied in new hampshhire the ppl there wouldnt een tolerate traffic cameras lol they would desyroy them
[18:33] <Azelphur> If it's the ISP's responsibility to stop porn from hitting my computer, then it's my phone providers responsibility to ensure I don't get telemarketing or abusive phone calls.
[18:33] <Azelphur> :p
[18:34] <Azelphur> cr215: haha
[18:34] <Azelphur> they still do get destroyed often
[18:34] <cr215> its dunno about in the uk but in the us your pretty much damned if you do and damned if you dont when it comes to voting tfor the two parties
[18:34] <MartijnVdS> uk is basically two-party as well
[18:34] <MartijnVdS> 2.5 ;)
[18:35] <Azelphur> \o/
[18:35] <Azelphur> pirate party needs to save us.
[18:35] <cr215> labor and conserative right?
[18:36] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: get the Dutch system :) we have 8-10 parties in parliamente at any given time, with 2-3 forming coalition cabinets :)
[18:36] <Azelphur> o.O
[18:36] <MartijnVdS> it forces everyone to talk to each other, makes things a lot less explosive :)
[18:37] <cr215> sounds cool..  amsterdam is in the nl's right?
[18:37] <MartijnVdS> it is
[18:37] <brobostigon> :)
[18:40] <cr215> @Martijnds: 8 to 10 parties sounds awesome..  do you find more representation that way?  i know i as a oter hae never come across a refferendum question onANYTHING BIGGER THAN THE LOCAL LEEL
[18:41] <cr215> my bad on the caps
[18:41] <MartijnVdS> cr215: you get more representation, but it still falls apart in 2-3 "camps" (left/right/middle basically)
[18:41] <MartijnVdS> inside the "camps" parties differ on minor issues
[18:41] <MartijnVdS> but no party ever had a majority on its own
[18:43] <cr215> i wish people would look at the political spectrum with 2 dimensions like a web site surey i took one time
[18:44]  * dutchie wonders if cr215 has seen http://votegeek.org.uk/the-shape-of-our-democracy/ by AlanBell 
[18:44] <MartijnVdS> yeah it's all multi-dimensional, but that's how they tend to vote ;)
[18:44] <MartijnVdS> cr215: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_parliament
[18:44] <cr215> i have not
[18:44] <cr215> but i will right now
[18:44] <cr215> lol
[18:47]  * Phineas is in a bad mood
[18:47] <MartijnVdS> Phineas: Why?
[18:48]  * brobostigon scp's Phineas a whisky.
[18:48] <Phineas> MartijnVdS,  stupid o2 i topped up late and now i get charged for everything i do except play games
[18:48] <LSEactuary> out_cold_ are you online?
[18:48] <MartijnVdS> Phineas: ouch
[18:49] <MartijnVdS> Phineas: only mobile? or do O2 do home broadband as well?
[18:49] <Phineas> MartijnVdS, they do do hmoe bordband but i havn't got it
[18:50] <MartijnVdS> Does this work from the UK? http://livestreams.omroep.nl/npo/3fm_vsr-bb
[18:50] <Phineas> MartijnVdS,  yes it does
[18:50] <MartijnVdS> \o/
[18:50] <Phineas> MartijnVdS,  if i want it to that is
[18:51] <Phineas> whats propaganda?
[18:51] <MartijnVdS> that's the "don't eat for a week for charity" week one of the public radio stations (think BBC Radio 1) is doing
[18:52] <MartijnVdS> .. if you want to learn Dutch, this is your chance ;)
[18:53] <Phineas> a line of a song is it's all just propaganda, i was wondering what they ment
[18:53] <MartijnVdS> Phineas: which song?
[18:54] <andylockran> czajkowski: how you getting on?
[18:54] <Phineas> MartijnVdS, Theres a platypus controlling me
[18:54]  * MartijnVdS steps away slowly
[18:55]  * Phineas will be back in 5
[18:56] <brobostigon> lol, google translate mistaken plattduutsch for german,
[18:56] <LSEactuary> joiin/ out_cold_
[18:56] <LSEactuary> join/ out_cold_
[18:56] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: well... "duutch" = deutsch = german ;)
[18:56] <LSEactuary> hmm can someone help me. im trying to join a user called out_cold_ but its not working
[18:57] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: with a sprinkling of dutch.
[18:57] <MartijnVdS> LSEactuary: you don't join users, you join channels
[18:57] <jacobw> LSEactuary: /msg out_cold_ YOUR MESSAGE HERE
[18:57] <brobostigon> LSEactuary: you can only join channels. not users.
[18:57] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: I know :) but you English named "Dutch" wrong ;)
[18:57] <LSEactuary> oh - well the guy who Pmed me was out_cold_
[18:57] <jacobw> LSEactuary: what IRC client are you using?
[18:57] <LSEactuary> like we were on a seperate chat
[18:57] <MartijnVdS> LSEactuary: so pm him back ?
[18:57] <LSEactuary> umm xchat
[18:57] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: hmm, well, probebly, yes.
[18:57] <LSEactuary> i dont know how to
[18:58] <jacobw> LSEactuary: is there a tab named out_cold_
[18:58] <MartijnVdS> LSEactuary: just talk back in the new window?
[18:58] <jacobw> LSEactuary: that is a private message window with that user
[18:58] <brobostigon> LSEactuary: there might be some options next to that persons nick inside the nick list.
[18:58] <LSEactuary> yes - how do i contact out_cold_
[18:58] <LSEactuary> i was talking to him and then had to restart
[18:58] <jacobw> LSEactuary: type /msg out_cold_ hello
[18:59] <LSEactuary> okay thanks
[18:59] <jacobw> LSEactuary: and a new window will appear on the tab list addressed to out_cold_
[19:00] <Phineas> i am back
[19:00] <brobostigon> wb Phineas
[19:00] <MartijnVdS> \o
[19:00] <LSEactuary> okay done! :)
[19:01]  * jacobw is slowly working through K&R C
[19:01] <jacobw> takes much longer than one anticipates
[19:01] <MartijnVdS> k&r is fun
[19:01] <jacobw> i'm enjoying it :)
[19:02] <jacobw> chapter 1 is much better language tutorial than i've ever encountered before
[19:02] <MartijnVdS> the only way to win people for your language is to teach them
[19:03] <MartijnVdS> :)
[19:03] <Phineas> goden targ
[19:03] <Phineas> oops i can't spell
[19:03] <dutchie> goeden daag
[19:04] <dutchie> (is that right MartijnVdS?)
[19:04] <MartijnVdS> goedendag, but that sounds really old-fashioned
[19:04] <brobostigon> or in platt, it would simply be, moin.
[19:04] <MartijnVdS> we usually just say 'hoi!' ("oy!" with an h in front) or "hallo"
[19:04] <jacobw> isn't that just 'guten tag' .. ?
[19:04] <MartijnVdS> Guten Tag ist Deutsch :)
[19:05] <brobostigon> jacobw: gutentag is german,
[19:05] <dutchie> can i remember the dutch numbers
[19:05] <jacobw> yes i'm aware of that :)
[19:06] <MartijnVdS> dutchie: 1234567890, they're the same as yours 8-)
[19:06] <jacobw> i was just saying it was similar
[19:06] <jacobw> hehe
[19:06] <MartijnVdS> or do you mean één twee drie vier vijf zes zeven acht negen tien :)
[19:06] <dutchie> een, twee, drij, vier, vijf, ?, seben and that's as far as i can go
[19:06] <dutchie> ah, zeven
[19:06] <dutchie> close
[19:07] <MartijnVdS> and "drij" (pronounced the same as "drei") is German again ;)
[19:07] <brobostigon> sieben, close.
[19:08] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon, dutchie: if you want to hear real Dutch, check out that link I posted earlier :)
[19:08] <jpds> jacobw: →
[19:09] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: at the moment, plattduutsch is probebly the cloest, i will understand.
[19:09] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: i will give it a listen, :)
[19:10] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: thank you,
[19:10] <MartijnVdS> he's translating Chef - Salty Balls now :)
[19:10] <dutchie> i have bad memories of that song
[19:10] <MartijnVdS> dutchie: what was her name? ;)
[19:11] <dutchie> "lugradio 2009 karaoke"
[19:11] <MartijnVdS> haha :)
[19:11] <Nafallo> O_O
[19:13] <MartijnVdS> dutchie: the guy that's now on the webcam stream lipsyncs EVERY song he plays, and acts along with lots of them
[19:13] <MartijnVdS> If he was a computer geek instead of a music radio/geek he'd be here ;)
[19:31] <bigcalm> For a limited time only (until I hit svn up), you can hear multiple copies of Crazy Words - Crazy Tune playing by repeatidy clicking "test" in http://idophp.co.uk/touch_alarm/
[19:31] <bigcalm> It's a little weird
[19:34] <LSEactuary> out_cold_ i cant seem to join your chat
[19:36] <brobostigon> LSEactuary: i dont see a user with that nick in here,
[19:36] <LSEactuary> he was talking to a a min ago...
[19:37] <brobostigon> i dont see a user now in here with that nick.
[19:37] <LSEactuary> okay
[19:38] <brobostigon> there is however a user with that nick connected to freenode, but not in a channel as far as i can see.
[19:39] <LSEactuary> okay got him no worries
[19:39] <brobostigon> ok.
[19:39] <brobostigon>  /msg
[20:10] <daubers> Evening
[20:11] <brobostigon> evening daubers
[20:11] <MartijnVdS> \o
[20:11]  * daubers is trying to sort christmas party logistics
[20:12] <MartijnVdS> your turn organising it? :)
[20:12] <daubers> MartijnVdS: Nope, just need to get there....
[20:12] <MartijnVdS> jet pack.
[20:12] <MartijnVdS> definitely
[20:13] <Nafallo> daubers: what station are you going from?
[20:13] <Nafallo> daubers: station/line
[20:13] <LSEactuary> join/ #km0201
[20:13] <MartijnVdS> LSEactuary: /join not jion/
[20:13] <daubers> Nafallo: Probably going from Reading
[20:13] <Nafallo> daubers: what line is that?
[20:13] <LSEactuary> lol
[20:14] <daubers> Getting to the station is currently what I need to sort. I won't get home until 6, so at the earliest at the station at 6:30 then an hour to London.
[20:14] <daubers> Nafallo: Paddington :)
[20:14]  * Nafallo tends to keep within zone3 ;-)
[20:14] <Nafallo> meh. this line thing I'm asking for are not a station ;-P
[20:14]  * MartijnVdS doubts he'll be able to get to work tomorrow
[20:15] <Nafallo> I will definitely not get to work tomorrow. I have a day off :-P
[20:15] <daubers> Nafallo: It's the line that goes from Swansea to London Paddington
[20:15] <MartijnVdS> Nafallo: I have all of _next_ week (and the week after that) off :)
[20:15] <MartijnVdS> Nafallo: so it'll probably just be work-from-home day
[20:16] <LSEactuary> does anyone know how i can add 1 song ontop my iphone on ubuntu without changing anything else/deleting anythingelse
[20:16] <Nafallo> MartijnVdS: ehrm. if you have all of next week, why are you going to work on the Monday? :-)
[20:16] <MartijnVdS> Nafallo: no the week between Christmas and new year, and then the first week of the new year
[20:17] <Nafallo> MartijnVdS: ah, so the weeks AFTER next week :-P
[20:17] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Phil Bull] Structuring developer tutorials; Realising the educational promise of open source code - http://philbull.livejournal.com/57522.html
[20:17] <MartijnVdS> Nafallo: well.. yes.. :)
[20:17] <daubers> Ooooh... never realised google maps shows the tube lines if you click on a station
[20:18] <MartijnVdS> Nafallo: it's like "half six" meaning 6:30 instead of 5:30 (which is what it means in Dutch), I guess :)
[20:19] <daubers> Hmmm...circle line to Kings Cross, then Northern Line to Angel
[20:19] <Nafallo> MartijnVdS: yeah. Swedish is stupid like that as well.
[20:19] <Nafallo> daubers: sounds like a working plan to me :-)
[20:21] <daubers> Prolly be there at 7:30 ish
[20:21]  * Nafallo won't be there at all
[20:21] <Nafallo> s/\'//
[20:22] <daubers> Tut
[20:23]  * daubers grabs a copy of the kernel code
[20:25] <MartijnVdS> "I'm so angry, I'm going to fix a random bug in the kernel"
[20:26] <Nafallo> s/fix/create/
[20:27] <daubers> \o/
[20:27] <MartijnVdS> Nafallo: s/fix/modify parameters of/
[20:27] <daubers> Nafallo: Nah, still bashing my head against a problem at work. Wondered if it comes from a limitation somewhere in the kernel
[20:28] <MartijnVdS> Limits? In my kernel?!
[20:28] <MartijnVdS> (it's more likely than you think)
[20:28] <Nafallo> MartijnVdS: I think you meant y isntead of s at this stage ;-)
[20:28] <MartijnVdS> daubers: (http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/x-in-my-y)
[20:29] <dutchie> daubers: pretty much all the paddington trains go through reading though
[20:29] <daubers> dutchie: I knoww :) One more or less every 10 minutes
[20:29] <MartijnVdS> commuter trains
[20:30] <dutchie> there is only 1 an hour to worcester :(
[20:31] <dwatkins> I used to live in Reading, it really doesn't have that much to drag me back, though.
[20:32] <daubers> dwatkins: I'm in the middle of tilehurst.. so a little out of the center
[20:34] <dwatkins> daubers: I had no idea, we could have met up for a pint
[20:34] <dwatkins> I used to live near Prospect Park
[20:34] <brobostigon> i have family just downthe road from you in purley, dwatkins
[20:34] <brobostigon> daubers: *
[20:34] <Nafallo> "a" pint implies one, which means you'd have to agree who's paying.
[20:35] <Nafallo> two is better ;-)
[20:35] <dwatkins> heh, I would have had a couple at least, Nafallo
[20:36] <daubers> dwatkins: Depends when that was... I only moved here..... 6 months ago
[20:36] <dwatkins> daubers: I moved away about a month ago
[20:37] <daubers> dwatkins: Heh
[20:37]  * dutchie whizzed past daubers last week
[20:40] <daubers> dutchie: Off somewhere nice?
[20:41] <dutchie> depends how much you like Disturbed
[20:43] <daubers> ah
[20:43] <daubers> ok
[20:43] <dwatkins> We are wondering if it will be possible to drive down South (from Edinburgh) this week, what with the snow, to see relatives in the area around Reading.
[20:44] <MartijnVdS> should be fine, as long as you take the snow plough :)
[20:44]  * brobostigon suggests dwatkins gets a tank
[20:44] <exobuzz> im sure its possible, but be prepared for getting stuck in traffic. take a shovel, provisions etc
[20:44] <dwatkins> heh, I think I'll need one, yeah
[20:44] <brobostigon> :)
[20:44] <dwatkins> exobuzz: yeah, that's the kind of thing that's making us think it might be better to stay at home.
[20:45] <exobuzz> yesterday where i live http://news.bbc.co.uk/local/oxford/hi/people_and_places/newsid_9302000/9302780.stm
[20:45] <Azelphur> any opinions on talktalk? apparently they don't have a FUP either
[20:46]  * brobostigon waves @ exobuzz from just north of oxford.
[20:46] <exobuzz> hi :)
[20:46] <AlanBell> dwatkins: I think major routes should be OK if you can get out of edinburgh
[20:46] <shauno> that's not bad at all.  you can almost make out the tarmac
[20:46] <AlanBell> but be prepared
[20:46] <exobuzz> im in didcot just down a34 :)
[20:46] <brobostigon> Azelphur: they, and talktalk suck balls.
[20:46] <Azelphur> brobostigon: know any other ISPs with no FUP? :(
[20:46] <brobostigon> Azelphur: not off hand, no, sorry.
[20:47]  * dutchie is in oxford in term time
[20:47] <dutchie> currently worcester though
[20:47] <Azelphur> brobostigon: hehe, me either so currently it's between them
[20:48] <brobostigon> Azelphur: talktalk sucks balls in all areas, i have been telling my dad tochange for years. avoid i suggest.
[20:50] <daubers> dwatkins: dwatkins Reading itself is fine
[20:50] <Azelphur> brobostigon: what problems have you had with them?
[20:51] <brobostigon> Azelphur: improper billing, non-informent of change of contract, forced change of contract, poor telephone technical and customer support, total adsl failiure.
[20:52] <Azelphur> what did they change in the contract? :o
[20:52] <brobostigon> Azelphur: the service we recieve, to make it more expensive.
[20:53] <Azelphur> oh nice so they just increased the price without telling you?
[20:53] <brobostigon> Azelphur: essentially yes.
[20:54] <Azelphur> how long was your ADSL down for also?
[20:55] <brobostigon> Azelphur: it dies sometimes 40 to 50 times in a day, around several days a month.
[20:55] <Azelphur> ouch :/
[20:55] <dwatkins> daubers: it's not got any snow?
[20:55] <brobostigon> Azelphur: and then one day, almost a whole week.
[20:57] <Azelphur> nice
[20:57] <Azelphur> brobostigon: I'm thinking sky then :p
[20:57] <ali1234> don't go near talktalk
[20:57] <daubers> dwatkins: Some snow, but the roads are easily passable. Been cleared and gritted quite well
[20:57] <ali1234> they are jokers
[20:57] <brobostigon> Azelphur: yes, and then they complained once, that they couldnt help, because i was diagnosing the network problems with debian, and refused to help.
[20:58] <Azelphur> brobostigon: :/
[20:58] <ali1234> even talktalk business service is total rubbish
[20:58] <brobostigon> Azelphur: so i gave up on them.
[20:59] <ali1234> place i used to work had xen internet and everything was fine
[20:59] <ali1234> boss decided to go with talktalk because they were cheaper
[20:59] <ali1234> we had no internet for like 3 months
[20:59] <brobostigon> :(
[20:59] <brobostigon> ouch.
[20:59] <Azelphur> ali1234: any recommendations on ISP? :p
[21:00] <ali1234> the only recommendation i can make is don't believe anyone who says "unlimited"
[21:00] <brobostigon> Azelphur: an isp with native ipv6, you will need it.
[21:00] <Azelphur> yea :/
[21:00] <Nafallo> mmm. goscomb? ;-)
[21:00] <dwatkins> daubers: good to know, thanks - we had more snow here in the last hour or so, so I don't even know if I'll get to work tomorrow
[21:00] <brobostigon> :)
[21:00] <Azelphur> ali1234: We're doing a lot of bandwith though, 5 heavy users in the house, 500+GB/month
[21:00] <Azelphur> need to find an ISP that can take the heat or I'm going to be spending the rest of my life heavily throttled
[21:01] <brobostigon> Azelphur: have you had a look at goscomb as Nafallo suggested ?
[21:01] <Azelphur> sorry didn't notice that
[21:01]  * Azelphur looks
[21:01] <Nafallo> they don't do unlimited though, but they are the only SixXS PoP in the UK last I looked :-)
[21:02] <Nafallo> do native IPv6 on their DSL
[21:02] <Nafallo> and they've got an Ubuntu mirror in-house ;-)
[21:02]  * MartijnVdS has native IPv6 over DSL \o/
[21:02] <popey> hmm
[21:02]  * brobostigon wants know. :(
[21:02] <brobostigon> now*
[21:02] <popey> how come my server only boots with the usb stick in
[21:02] <Azelphur> Nafallo: no good for me then as I say
[21:02] <Azelphur> 600GB/mo+ here
[21:03] <popey> yet I have run grub-install /dev/sda
[21:03] <popey> and it doesnt fail
[21:03] <popey> but on boot without the usb stick (which installed from) it just sits there
[21:03] <popey> cursor flashing
[21:03] <Nafallo> Azelphur: ehrm. that just went up 100GB in 2minutes...
[21:03] <Azelphur> Nafallo: typo :P
[21:03] <ali1234> aaisp will do you 700GB/month for £119.07/month
[21:03] <daubers> dwatkins: Ooof.. nasty
[21:04] <ali1234> that is 200GB/month 9am-6pm mon-fri and 500GB all other times
[21:04] <Azelphur> haha
[21:04] <Azelphur> out of my price range
[21:04] <daubers> popey: Bios drive select set right?
[21:04] <popey> hmm
[21:04]  * popey is sure he checked that
[21:04]  * popey reboots
[21:04] <Nafallo> popey: doublecheck! :-D
[21:04] <Azelphur> nobody really commented on sky, anything major wrong with them?
[21:04] <dwatkins> popey: are you sure the stick isn't /dev/sda ? ;-)
[21:04] <Nafallo> popey: triplecheck! :-D
[21:04] <MartijnVdS> quad check
[21:04] <ali1234> if you can get by on 10GB daytime per month it's only £50/month
[21:05] <popey> dwatkins: no, i dont have a 160GB usb stick
[21:05] <Azelphur> ali1234: I'm already on 60GB daytime per month and getting throttled into the floor for going over
[21:05] <Nafallo> Azelphur: ehrm. have you considering throttling your users yourself? ;-)
[21:05] <moreati> popey: is the HD plugged into an on-board controller, or a PCI expansion controller?
[21:05] <popey> onboard
[21:05] <Azelphur> Nafallo: everyone in the house is 100%+ over their fair share of the 60GB
[21:05] <Azelphur> I'd be cutting people off midday, including myself
[21:05] <Yorvyk_> popey, don’t you gave to run update-grub
[21:06] <ali1234> where do you live that has 5 heavy internet users with no job? student flat?
[21:06] <Azelphur> ali1234: haha most have jobs
[21:06] <Azelphur> it's just a big house
[21:06] <popey> haha
[21:06] <Nafallo> Azelphur: hence why I told you to cut them down yourself. 10GB quote for each user and cap them down to 33k6 after that :-)
[21:06] <ali1234> why are they using so much internet in daytime then?
[21:06] <popey> boot order
[21:06] <popey> 1> USB STICK
[21:06] <popey> 2> Network
[21:06] <popey> 3> Nothing
[21:06] <popey> :)
[21:07] <Azelphur> ali1234: "daytime" according to my ISP is 8am-midnight
[21:07] <Nafallo> Azelphur: also, change your habits :-)
[21:07] <ali1234> oh so you have a shit ISP then, well no wonder
[21:07] <popey> +1
[21:07] <Nafallo> popey: still confused? ;-)
[21:07] <Azelphur> ali1234: that's why I'm switching!
[21:07] <popey> perhaps you should download slightly less copyrighted content Azelphur ?
[21:07] <ali1234> price calculator: http://www.aaisp.net.uk/broadband-prices.html
[21:07] <Azelphur> popey: I don't download much copyrighted content during the day :(
[21:07] <popey> bah
[21:07] <popey> thats... not.. the point
[21:07] <Azelphur> it's only at night when my copyrighted content whoring comes in at about 20GB/day
[21:08] <Azelphur> lol
[21:08] <popey> "Boot failed, continue to look for Boot media"
[21:08] <Nafallo> Azelphur: stop seeding these Ubuntu ISOs you! let people with gigabit *huhum* take care of that ;-)
[21:08] <moreati> Azelphur: because the MPAA only works office hours?
[21:08] <Azelphur> moreati: totally ;)
[21:08] <Azelphur> Nafallo: haha
[21:09] <Azelphur> so any opinions on sky?
[21:09] <Azelphur> I havn't heard much negative for them and they have no FUP so I suppose they are the ones to try next
[21:09] <Nafallo> hmm. I've only done 481.31GiB myself this month
[21:09] <ali1234> "no FUP" is a lie
[21:09] <Azelphur> Nafallo: haha, what ISP are you with?
[21:10] <Nafallo> Azelphur: my server ihas 4 redundant transit providers.
[21:10] <Azelphur> Nafallo: that's your server?
[21:10] <Nafallo> dynamic routing
[21:10] <Nafallo> that's one of my guests actually.
[21:10] <Azelphur> lol
[21:10] <Nafallo> maybe I should monitor the host aswell...
[21:10] <Azelphur> Nafallo: http://dedicated.reliablesite.net/bandwidth/69.160.254.251_3-month.png my server :)
[21:11] <Nafallo> but the rest is doing f*kall
[21:11] <ali1234> can i like, buy a server with a blu-ray burner and a robot arm that loads discs, then puts them in envelopes, and they get mailed to me?
[21:12] <Azelphur> haha
[21:13] <_H> 9.724m² and laminate is £3.49 per
[21:14] <_H> 9.724m² and laminate is £3.49 per m² umm how to work out how much it will cost to do in laminate?
[21:14] <ali1234>  9.724 * 3.49
[21:14] <ali1234> however this does not account for offcuts
[21:15] <ali1234> that depends on the shape or the area
[21:15] <ali1234> *of
[21:15] <Nafallo> the hell popey... stop splitting!
[21:20] <popey> wb everyone
[21:21] <AlanBell> wb popey, we missed you
[21:21] <Nafallo> 21:15:37 < Nafallo> the hell popey... stop splitting!
[21:21] <popey> pffft
[21:22]  * popey moves things from revo to shiny server
[21:22] <Nafallo> popey: is that your new hostname?
[21:22] <popey> heh
[21:22] <popey> no, its very sadly called "ubuntuserver" :)
[21:22] <Nafallo> you suck at imagination
[21:23]  * _H decides to be evil
[21:23] <_H> new bathroom door... three panes of one way glass
[21:26] <Nafallo> _H: which was, is the question :-)
[21:31] <brobostigon> looks like a cancelled driving lesson due to weather, booked for tuesday.
[21:31] <Nafallo> haha
[21:31] <brobostigon> :(
[21:32] <Nafallo> because this weather isn't worth learning to drive in! :-P
[21:32] <Stefano> hi from Italy  . I live in a place covered by  the 'Anti Digital Divide' project
[21:32] <brobostigon> Nafallo: we have driven in it,  few times, but we just dont want to tempt fate.
[21:33] <brobostigon> Nafallo: last time, my driving instructor asked me to purposly  try and slide the car,
[21:36] <czajkowski> lo
[21:37] <brobostigon> hey czajkowski :)
[21:58] <popey> oh man, I've improved the 5 min chocolate cake!
[21:58] <brobostigon> :) yay
[21:58] <gord> heracy, such a wonderful device surely can not *be* improved!
[21:58] <ging> what is cake flour?
[22:00] <popey> i used plain flour and added half a teaspoon of baking powder
[22:00] <popey> and also added a small slug of liquer
[22:00] <AlanBell> oh my backup drive should *not* be making that noise
[22:01] <popey> best one I've made so far
[22:01] <AlanBell> is it in a nice mug?
[22:01] <popey> yes
[22:01] <popey> well no
[22:01] <popey> it was in a nice mug
[22:01] <AlanBell> pics plz
[22:01] <popey> then a bowl, and now in my tummy
[22:01] <popey> too late
[22:01] <popey> will probably make again this week
[22:01] <popey> that was awesome
[22:01] <AlanBell> pics of tummy not required
[22:02] <popey> :)
[22:02] <Nafallo> AlanBell: you shouldn't have your backup drive close enough to hear the noice? ;-)
[22:02] <popey> heh
[22:03] <AlanBell> Nafallo: I was contemplating a Natty upgrade so I want a local backup
[22:05] <Nafallo> bah. telehouse is local enough for me ;-)
[22:11] <popey> hey czajkowski hows things?
[22:30] <brobostigon> nos da, sleep well.
[22:31] <dutchie> night brobostigon
[22:32] <brobostigon> night dutchie
[22:39] <gord> i just installed a dvd drive onto my system, how old school!
[22:40] <jacobw> ping
[22:43] <mattt> pong
[22:49] <_H> fitting flooring the kitchen floor with an area of 9.724 m2 and a small bathroom with an area of 2.231 m2 and the hall 10m2 one person on her own for £40? fairor not?
[22:52] <popey> 40 per hour?
[22:53] <_H> no
[22:53] <_H> for the entire job
[22:53] <popey> how many hours work?
[22:53] <_H> that's what I am offering
[22:53] <_H> 2 days if she's slow
[22:53] <ali1234> i would worry the guy is gonna rob me for that price
[22:53] <popey> 2 days work for 40 quid!?
[22:53] <ali1234> it's too cheap, there must be something wrong
[22:53]  * _H uses work women
[22:54] <_H> well that's what I am offering her
[22:54] <popey> you're in the UK right?
[22:54] <_H> yes
[22:54] <popey> you're offering to pay someone 40 quid for 2 days work?
[22:54] <_H> she's german
[22:54] <popey> at an 8 hour days thats 2.50 an hour
[22:54] <_H> ie she's efficient
[22:54] <_H> oh
[22:55] <popey> for skilled manual labour thats pretty poor
[22:55] <_H> £50 fairer?
[22:55] <ali1234> what kind of floor are we talking about here?
[22:55] <moreati> _H: I would expect to pay more than £200 for a two day job, £80 a day absolute minimum
[22:56]  * Joeb454 is with moreati on this one
[22:56] <popey> I'm not good with area, so I can't tell what size you're looking at, but it doesn't sound anywhere near enough for the UK
[22:56] <ali1234> is it just a roll of lino? or is it the snap lock stuff?
[22:56] <popey> (which is why I asked where you were)
[22:56] <_H> £50 is min wage
[22:56] <_H> and besides I am on min wage
[22:56] <_H> pay me more and I will pay them more
[22:57] <moreati> _H: if you can't afford more than that, do it yourself
[22:57] <ali1234> yeah. £40/8 is £5 an hour
[22:57] <ali1234> that's if it can be done in 1 day
[22:57] <ali1234> and that depends what kind of floor it is
[22:58] <_H> its 10 meters sq of http://www.ikea.com/gb/en/catalog/products/20144880 and 10 meters of non slip lino
[22:58] <_H> or vinyl rather
[22:58] <ali1234> so both types
[22:58] <_H> two types of flooring yes
[22:58] <_H> non slip in the kitchin and bathroom
[23:00] <ali1234> the lino will be fast, the other stuff will be more fiddly to cut to the right sizes
[23:00] <ali1234> so i dunno
[23:00] <popey> _H: do you have the stuff that goes underneath, the liner? and the stuff that goes round the skirting board - for the wooden floor?
[23:01] <_H> round the skirting board?
[23:01] <ali1234> you don't have underlay and gripper rods for lino.....
[23:01] <moreati> _h is this german lady a skilled floorer? Why are you offering an amount rather than her quoting an amount?
[23:01] <ali1234> if it is there and needs to be removed, that will take a few hours
[23:04] <_H> its bare flooring no nails or obstructions it is a very simple job
[23:04] <_H> though the laminate is fiddly
[23:05] <ali1234> according to google you are supposed to put a sheet of plastic under the laminate as a moisture barrier
[23:05] <popey> thats what I said
[23:05] <popey> a liner
[23:06] <ali1234> i dunno.... seems like this project has a high potential of failure due to nobody knowing what they are doing :/
[23:06] <popey> heh
[23:06] <_H> no
[23:06] <_H> only on concrete
[23:06] <moreati> I think that depends on the surface: concrete = moisture barrier + insulation; wood = insulation (for thernmal/noise)
[23:07] <_H> if on wood then a liner is required
[23:07] <ali1234> anyway, as i origially said, someone who quoted me £40 for this job, i would not trust them in my house
[23:08] <_H> ok
[23:08] <_H> :)
[23:08] <dwatkins> 40 quid?!
[23:08] <dwatkins> That's not enough for a workman to pop round and unload his tools.
[23:08] <_H> but if you told them 40 quid and they accepted?
[23:08] <gord> 40 quid and at christmas :(
[23:08] <dwatkins> Who is doing the job here, _H? you?
[23:09] <popey> then I'd wonder what the quality of work would be like
[23:09] <dwatkins> as popey says
[23:10] <dwatkins> Perhaps you should start here, _H? http://www.ehow.co.uk/how_6735770_lay-linoleum-kitchen-floor.html
[23:10] <_H> this is sligtly different
[23:11] <_H> it's INDUSTRIAL strength stuff
[23:11] <dwatkins> What is?
[23:11] <_H> http://edinburgh.gumtree.com/edinburgh/61/66336261.html
[23:11] <_H> that's the add I am responding too
[23:12] <ali1234> "free consultation" - this means free quote :)
[23:12] <_H> dwatkins: you know in modern hospitals they have that stuff the vinyl no slip stuff?
[23:13] <dwatkins> Any quality workperson should provide a free quote.
[23:13] <dwatkins> _H: I am aware of the flooring used in hospitals, yes
[23:13] <_H> dwatkins: its that stuff
[23:13] <Darael> Got a small problem with my wifi.  Network-manager insists the device is not ready.  I know it is, because wicd connects fine.  I've tried stopping wicd before nm starts, etc etc, nm still complains.
[23:13] <dwatkins> I would hesitate to respond to any advert written entirely in capital letters, and would prefer to go on personal reccomendation or look people up in the local yellow pages, but each to their own.
[23:14] <dwatkins> _H: are you having it fitted to your home?
[23:14] <ali1234> what's wrong with all caps? just cos they don't know internet means they can't lay flooring?
[23:15] <_H> sorry my motherboard is dodgy
[23:15] <_H> dwatkins: what where you saying?
[23:15] <dwatkins> ali1234: yeah, fair enough, it just doesn't seem right to me
[23:16] <_H> ali1234: ?
[23:16] <ali1234> just talking about ALL CAPS
[23:16] <_H> YEAH ALL CAPS IS WRONG
[23:16] <_H> I HATE IT
[23:16] <_H> lol
[23:16] <dwatkins> So, is this your home, _H?
[23:17] <dwatkins> (the one to which the flooring is to be fitted)
[23:17] <_H> yup
[23:17] <dwatkins> and I assume you're not fitting it yourself for reaons of not being experienced in such matters, _H
[23:17] <_H> the reason I have chosen tht vinyl is its safer
[23:17] <_H> and more hygenic
[23:17] <_H> yes
[23:17]  * _H has no tools
[23:18] <_H> (other than her self)
[23:18] <dwatkins> Fair enough. My tools are in storage, so I can understand how that's all too possible.
[23:18] <Darael> Anyone got any experience with radvd?  I've got a HE tunnel up and radvd running, but my other machines don't seem to pick it up.
[23:18] <dwatkins> So, what was the question?
[23:28] <_H> dwatkins: http://paste.ubuntu.com/545765/ this read ok or does it have ioerrors for you?
[23:28] <popey> grrr
[23:28] <popey> scping files to my server, ssh keeps dropping
[23:28] <popey> "Write failed: Broken pipe
[23:28] <popey> nothing in dmesg
[23:29] <popey> two machines ssh'ed in crap out at the same time
[23:29] <popey> one is ssh showing top, the other is scp
[23:29] <mario_the_plumbe> you err have a broken pipe?
[23:29] <mario_the_plumbe> :P
[23:29] <popey> heh
[23:30] <mario_the_plumbe> fozen I see... we get that a lot it's the evil lord ku
[23:33] <_H> anyone know how to level a floor? I mean I have a kichin that slops to on side...
[23:33] <ali1234> it involves digging up the whole floor and relaying it
[23:33] <ali1234> assuming concrete
[23:54] <_H> ali1234: wooden