[00:06] <apachelogger> dantti: I used to be a apackager
[00:06] <apachelogger> yofel: then you can start now
[00:06] <apachelogger> dantti: apachelogger
[00:07] <apachelogger> dantti: markey, markey: dantti
[00:13] <apachelogger> dantti: I think my packagekit is just broken
[00:13] <dantti> apachelogger: yeah probably...
[00:13] <dantti> apachelogger: does that file installs amor?
[00:13] <apachelogger> valorie: hello 
[00:14] <apachelogger> valorie: helloooooooo
[00:14] <apachelogger> dantti: didnt try
[00:14]  * apachelogger cant write and talk
[00:14]  * apachelogger can listen and type
[00:21] <valorie> piffle, trying to install skype again
[00:21] <valorie> it's always been easy, and now I can't find it
[00:23] <valorie> heh, apt-get comes through
[00:24] <valorie> silly kpackagekit
[00:24] <dantti> :(
[00:25] <apachelogger> oh
[00:25] <apachelogger> do not bash the kpk
[00:25] <apachelogger> its not kpks fault that it is not javaware
[00:30] <apachelogger> dantti: dude!
[00:43] <nixternal> stupid freenode
[00:48] <apachelogger> nixternal: wanna skype
[00:48] <apachelogger> ?
[00:48] <apachelogger> we are having a development session 
[00:48] <nixternal> for what? you gonna talk dirty to me or something?
[00:49] <nixternal> i would if i would be of any good, but i am afraid i am not longer of any good
[00:49] <apachelogger> nixternal: come on
[00:49] <apachelogger> nixternal: what is your skype id?
[00:52] <nixternal> the fact that you would ask what my id/handle is is proof enough that i am no longer of any good :)
[00:54] <dantti> nixternal: that's the point
[00:55] <apachelogger> nixternal: start your skype you blueheaded stepchild
[00:55] <apachelogger> as a matter of fact you are in my contact list
[00:55] <apachelogger> only skype's filter did not work
[00:56] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: sure
[00:57] <highvoltage> nixternal isn't blueheaded!!
[00:57] <highvoltage> (is he?)
[00:59] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: why are you not answering your phone?
[00:59] <JontheEchidna> I just logged in
[00:59] <JontheEchidna> oh, unless I left my work computer on when I left friday
[00:59] <apachelogger> apparently you did
[00:59] <apachelogger> oh
[00:59] <JontheEchidna> hmm, my mic isn't working
[01:01] <JontheEchidna> I'm going to try to get my mic working, so I'll hang up for a bit
[01:03] <apachelogger> ok
[01:06] <JontheEchidna> I don't get it. It should work :(
[01:07] <apachelogger> use the pulseaudio control
[01:07] <apachelogger> pavcontrol
[01:08] <JontheEchidna> not using PA
[01:08] <apachelogger> oh
[01:08] <apachelogger> that is your problem then
[01:08] <apachelogger> valorie doesnt either
[01:08] <apachelogger> because she always flames it
[01:08] <apachelogger> with pa it works just fine
[01:08] <JontheEchidna> I can't, since PA breaks jacksense
[01:08] <apachelogger> you do not need jacksense
[01:08] <apachelogger> now
[01:08] <apachelogger> do you?
[01:08]  * apachelogger does not even know that
[01:08]  * apachelogger only wrote alsa, pa, phonon and amarok
[01:09]  * apachelogger is the master of all audio
[01:09] <JontheEchidna> yes, otherwise people can hear things coming out of my speakers even if I have headphones plugged ing
[01:09] <JontheEchidna> sorta renders the point of headphones useless
[01:09] <JontheEchidna> (jack sense isn't a software)
[01:10] <apachelogger> odd
[01:13] <JontheEchidna> brb
[01:13] <nixternal> haha, love watching the sound issues. i remember these same issues 5 years ago too
[01:16] <apachelogger> nixternal: can you go online now?
[01:16] <nixternal> i am online, i am here talking to you aren't I/
[01:16] <JontheEchidna> lol, look what kmix let me do: http://i.imgur.com/73GLL.png
[01:17] <apachelogger> nixternal: in the skype
[01:17] <nixternal> what will i or others get from me being on skype?
[01:17] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: that is usability right there
[01:17] <apachelogger> no buttons ...
[01:17] <apachelogger> ultimate usability
[01:17] <nixternal> that is almost ubuntuesque
[01:17] <apachelogger> nothing to do wrong
[01:18] <dantti> apachelogger: nor right
[01:22] <JontheEchidna> ironically, my webcam works without doing anything
[01:25] <apachelogger> nixternal: skype?
[01:37] <claydoh> apachelogger: methinks my laptop is a bit broken - I am dohbuoy in skype
[01:37] <apachelogger> oh
[01:37] <apachelogger> go tweak some settings then
[01:37] <JontheEchidna> let's see if this works on windows
[01:37] <claydoh> bad sound, perhaps my speakers AND my headphone jack :(
[01:37] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: how is your tweaking coming along?
[01:38] <JontheEchidna> trying windows now
[01:38] <apachelogger> if you had an n900 you could use that
[01:38] <apachelogger> ...
[01:38] <apachelogger> ;)
[01:38] <JontheEchidna> ;-)
[01:39]  * claydoh contemplates stealing my wifes phone lol
[01:40] <valorie> apachelogger: liar! I'm using PA
[01:40] <valorie> and I don't flame it
[01:40] <valorie> I just reset everything in pavucontrol and it looks like my mic should work
[01:40] <valorie> but unless you are being flooded by The 6ths
[01:40] <valorie> it isn't
[01:40] <apachelogger> valorie: ask the nice testing person
[01:41] <valorie> it worked in 10.04, with pa
[01:42] <apachelogger> use mac osx
[01:42] <apachelogger> or beos
[01:43] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: got it working with windows
[01:43] <JontheEchidna> plz call
[01:44] <apachelogger> claydoh: markey, markey: claydoh
[01:45] <markey> claydoh: hey :)
[01:45] <markey> nice to meet you
[01:46] <apachelogger> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FFHgDD21MI&feature=channel
[01:46] <markey> apachelogger: no, we do *not* want to see videos of your boner
[01:46] <markey> sorry.
[01:46] <claydoh> markey: hello :)
[01:47] <nixternal> for an hour plus, you all have been messing with audio to have a meeting...oh lord :p
[01:47] <nixternal> if you have an android phone, just throw skype on it and be done with it already
[01:47] <claydoh> nixternal:  I didn't have to fiddle, I ma lucky
[01:48] <nixternal> oh, saw something about bad sound from ya
[01:48] <apachelogger> claydoh: too much :D
[01:48] <claydoh> nixternal: crappy laptop, pluggd in working headphones
[01:49] <apachelogger> muesli: ping
[01:50] <apachelogger> claydoh: Mamarok, Mamarok: claydoh
[01:50] <apachelogger> silly
[01:50] <apachelogger> silly silly
[01:50] <apachelogger> this is getting silly
[01:50] <apachelogger> stop it immediately
[01:50] <apachelogger> muhahaha
[01:50] <apachelogger> monty python <3
[01:52] <apachelogger> claydoh: you are making weird noise
[01:58] <apachelogger> nixternal: ping pin
[01:58] <apachelogger> g
[01:58] <apachelogger> we are talking about richards....
[01:58] <apachelogger> you could rule them all
[01:58] <apachelogger> if only you joined
[02:07] <valorie> I'm going to quit -- it's just torture to see that someone's talking, and not be able to hear
[02:07] <valorie> :(
[02:07] <valorie> maybe another time, after a restart or something
[02:15] <apachelogger> award <----
[02:15] <JontheEchidna> \o/
[02:16] <claydoh> my wife thinks I am wierd
[02:17] <claydoh> or rather wierder for chatting online w/skype
[02:17] <apachelogger> the guy here just said so too
[02:17] <claydoh> luddite she is, with her galaxy S smartphone and all :(
[02:17] <apachelogger> claydoh: also you are weird :P
[02:17] <claydoh> apachelogger: sure :)
[02:18] <claydoh> used to get at least an hour out of my battery, Skype must suck it dry
[02:18] <claydoh> now I have to be quiet as I am in the room with the mrs and television
[02:19] <claydoh> but skype is kewl
[02:21] <apachelogger> we should do this more often
[02:22] <claydoh> apachelogger: agreed it is quite nice to hear people, put voices with faces (amd texts)
[02:32] <nixternal> you guys have video running too?
[02:32] <apachelogger> yeah
[02:32] <apachelogger> intarwebs sex
[02:32] <nixternal> nice
[02:32] <nixternal> wonder how skype would work on the cr-48
[02:32] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: are you coming to hungry actually?
[02:32] <apachelogger> erm
[02:32] <apachelogger> hungary
[02:32] <apachelogger> ;)
[02:32] <JontheEchidna> what's in Hungary
[02:33] <apachelogger> ok this is cracking me up
[02:33] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: uds
[02:33] <JontheEchidna> Is that UDS-O?
[02:33] <apachelogger> in the cities of buda and pest
[02:33] <apachelogger> aye
[02:34] <JontheEchidna> I'll try
[02:34] <apachelogger> wohooo
[02:41] <valorie> heh, now youtube is being not only silent, but plays doublefast
[02:41] <valorie> I think i'll uninstall skype!
[02:43]  * apachelogger is dying here
[03:06]  * apachelogger wonders where JontheEchidna go
[03:06] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: I was wondering why nobody was talking
[03:06] <JontheEchidna> maybe I got disconnected and it didn't tell me
[03:07] <apachelogger> sec
[03:08] <JontheEchidna> lol, now my mic is broken in windows :(
[03:08] <apachelogger> :O
[03:08] <apachelogger> reboot?
[03:12] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: http://paste.ubuntu.com/545804/
[03:16] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: http://aplg.kollide.net/tmp/Faithless%20-%2010%20-%20Take%20The%20Long%20Way%20Home.mp3
[03:18] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: do you have the song now?
[03:19] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: setting up windows media player now
[03:19] <apachelogger> :D
[03:19] <apachelogger> get vlc
[03:19] <apachelogger> as a matter of fact phonon is probably going to use vlc as the xplatform backend recommendation
[03:20] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: http://aplg.kollide.net/tmp/09%20-%20Hey%20Boy%20Hey%20Girl.ogg
[03:23] <rbelem> apachelogger, ping
[03:24] <apachelogger> rbelem: pong
[03:24] <rbelem> apachelogger, http://paste.ubuntu.com/545809/
[03:25] <rbelem> apachelogger, a draft of a script to generate debian/copyright
[03:26] <rbelem> apachelogger, only works with cpp and GPL LGPL
[03:26] <rbelem> apachelogger, what do you think?
[03:27] <rbelem> apachelogger, it needs better license detection algorithm
[03:30] <apachelogger> rbelem: need a library written in ruby :D
[03:30] <rbelem> apachelogger, i hate maintain debian/copyright file, that's why i'm writing this script
[03:30] <rbelem> apachelogger, :-)
[03:31] <apachelogger> rbelem: in ruby please
[03:37] <rbelem> apachelogger, never wrote something in ruby before
[03:40] <apachelogger> rbelem: about time then :)
[03:41] <rbelem> apachelogger, but why ruby?
[03:41] <apachelogger> rbelem: cause I love ruby :)
[03:41] <apachelogger> rbelem: or bash
[03:41] <rbelem> hahahaha!
[03:41] <apachelogger> bash is ultimate
[03:52]  * rbelem is going to bed
[03:52] <rbelem> apachelogger, g'night
[03:53] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: are you still with us?
[03:53] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: yup
[03:53] <apachelogger> ok
[03:54] <apachelogger> ^^
[03:54] <JontheEchidna> just a bit quiet ;-)
[03:55] <JontheEchidna> my mic seems to have stopped working, though
[03:55] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: say hello
[03:56] <JontheEchidna> skype says it can't access my videocard and that I should restart. brb
[03:56] <apachelogger> :P
[03:56] <apachelogger> reboot
[03:56] <JontheEchidna> restart skype, not the whole computer
[03:57] <apachelogger> it is windows :D
[03:57] <JontheEchidna> :D
[03:57] <dantti> apachelogger: still up!? gnight then :P
[03:57] <JontheEchidna> ha, it's not starting. maybe I should try rebooting and see if that will fix it :P
[03:58] <apachelogger> dantti: nini :)
[03:58] <JontheEchidna> hrm, it's not restarting either :s
[03:58] <JontheEchidna> windows is teh broke
[03:58] <dantti> apachelogger: btw update me if pk catalogs still doesn't work for you..
[03:59] <valorie> sorry I didn't get to chat and laugh and sing with everyone
[03:59] <valorie> I'll work on the skype problems later
[03:59] <valorie> I promise
[03:59] <apachelogger> dantti: ok :)
[03:59] <dantti> valorie: buy an usb phone :)
[04:00] <valorie> well, I actually have a set of earphone/mic thingies
[04:00] <valorie> I'll try that
[04:00] <valorie> it's uncomfortable, but at least it keeps out ambient noise
[04:03] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: we are talking about racism and homophobia and stuff
[04:04] <apachelogger> also I am smarter
[04:04] <apachelogger> ;)
[04:05] <JontheEchidna> where'd my audio go?
[04:10] <valorie> dang it, I'm missing it
[04:10] <valorie> :(
[04:10] <valorie> my kind of discussion
[04:11] <valorie> anyone know obse_scq ?
[04:11] <valorie> I don't allow random people
[04:58] <JontheEchidna> we definitely need to do that more often
[05:00] <JontheEchidna> brb, booting back into lunix
[05:06] <muesli> apachelogger: sup
[05:06] <apachelogger> muesli: nvm
[05:07] <apachelogger> I think I will go to bed soonish
[05:07] <apachelogger> muesli: markey and I were wondering whether you want to join skype
[05:07] <apachelogger> but since it is getting late
[05:07] <apachelogger> or early....
[05:07] <muesli> heh :)
[05:10] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: at the least I had a proper headset this time. Last time I was speaking into a headphone plugged in to the microphone jack :P
[05:10] <JontheEchidna> must have been over a year ago last time we did this
[05:12] <apachelogger> :DDD
[05:16] <muesli> apachelogger: got some users calling you?
[05:16] <apachelogger> no just markey and me right now
[05:17] <muesli> oh well, maybe next time. would have to find my headset in some box, since i just moved :-/
[05:19] <apachelogger> muesli: where did you move to?
[05:19] <muesli> just within germany. sold house, moved into a flat
[05:20] <apachelogger> ooh
[05:20] <apachelogger> germany :D
[05:20] <apachelogger> nice
[09:50] <shadeslayer> zomg party on thursday!
[09:50] <shadeslayer> wheee
[09:50] <shadeslayer> in other news, sandsmark is busy getting bookmark sync to rekonq
[09:51] <shadeslayer> something i really wanted to do
[09:51] <shadeslayer> :(
[09:52] <shadeslayer> oh noes ... Python 2.7 transition going on ... i chose a very bad time to upgrade :/
[13:29] <dantti> Riddell: ping
[13:44] <Riddell> hi dantti 
[13:50] <dantti> Riddell: hi, I have a problem with kpk :/ and would like to know what would be the best fix
[13:50] <Riddell> dantti: what's up?
[13:50] <dantti> Riddell: to work around a bug I made a copy of kdialog (the bad idea), and now with kdelibs 4.6 it turns out that it is crashing :(
[13:51] <dantti> so what would be best have a mav-updates without this kdialog class or when 4.6 is on backports have kpk there too?
[13:52] <Riddell> dantti: we can put an updated or patched version in kubuntu-ppa/beta alongside 4.6
[13:52] <Riddell> as well as in natty
[13:53] <dantti> I think tomorow I'll release a new version 0.6.3 with some bug fixes and some minor fixes, so maybe it could go alongside as you said (instead of the patched version)
[13:53] <dantti> *minor features
[13:54] <Riddell> yes we can get than in easily enough
[13:55] <dantti> Riddell: go thanks :) now I have to finish it and ask fedora and suse to update too :(
[13:55] <dantti> *good
[13:55] <dantti> next time I'll be more carefull when coping kde libs stuff
[13:57] <dantti> Riddell: Ah almost forgot there's a new patch for aptcc LP bug#691474
[14:00] <Riddell> dantti: ok will look shortly
[14:00] <dantti> :)
[14:23] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Are you subscribed to ubuntu-devel-announce?  If not, you'd have known about that one.
[14:30] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: http://i.imgur.com/A0UeF.png
[14:30] <Quintasan> pure madness
[14:44] <Quintasan> ScottK: Any idea where kcm-touchpad should show up when one uses KDE 4.4.5?
[14:54] <CIA-39> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1208067 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/libqapt/src/globals.h SVN_SILENT: Fix a typo in the apidox
[14:54] <ScottK> Quintasan: Shouldn't be any different than it was with 4.4.2, but my laptop is Maverick, so I can't check (Lucid systems here are all desktops)
[15:10] <CIA-39> [muon] jmthomas * 1208070 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/ (9 files in 5 dirs) Misc. krazy2 fixes
[15:10] <Quintasan> apachelogger: ping
[15:10] <Quintasan> apachelogger: nvm, knowing me this won't work anyway, is there a guide/manual/how to debug crashes in Qt applications?
[15:15] <droidslayer> Quintasan: lol
[15:17] <droidslayer> Quintasan: use gdb
[15:17] <steveire> Is there any chance of getting cmake 2.6.3 into Maverick? http://public.kitware.com/Bug/view.php?id=9414 Causes kdevelop cmake parsing to be unrealistically slow to parse any project which uses zlib (kdelibs, pim etc)
[15:17] <steveire> cmake 2.8.3 *
[15:18] <droidslayer> Quintasan: gdb appname -> run from gdb shell - > crash -> backtrace 
[15:19] <steveire> See also http://itk.org/Bug/view.php?id=11049
[15:19] <droidslayer> Backtrace as in type backtrace on gdb shell
[15:20] <ScottK> steveire: As a general rule no.  If there's a patch we can backport to fix that problem, that's probably doable.  Getting the entire release in is unlikely unless that's about the only change in it.
[15:20] <Riddell> it could go into backports for a quick fix
[15:20] <Riddell> although it needs to get into natty first
[15:21] <steveire> Hmm, well I don't know enough about the problem, but I'll see if I can find something cherry-pickable
[15:22] <Quintasan> droidslayer: cool story bro, however I'm not sure if I can understand this :O
[15:23] <droidslayer> 0_o
[15:23] <steveire> Hmm, looks like it is indeed.
[15:23] <droidslayer> Quintasan: its quite easy really
[15:23] <Quintasan> droidslayer: http://paste.ubuntu.com/545978/
[15:24] <droidslayer> So I hear Europe is buried in snow
[15:24] <Quintasan> droidslayer: +4*C in here
[15:26] <droidslayer> Quintasan: exception to my statement :-P
[15:27] <Quintasan> droidslayer: and I'm crazy enough to want to fix this
[15:27] <droidslayer> Quintasan: now read the backtrace from line 24..  it will show the last function called at. the top and at the bottom you see the eventloop 
[15:29] <Quintasan> #31 0x00007ffff7aa7362 in QEventLoop::processEvents (this=<value optimized out>, flags=...)
[15:29] <Quintasan>     at kernel/qeventloop.cpp:149
[15:29] <Quintasan> this?
[15:29] <steveire> bug 692595
[15:29] <droidslayer> That's the qt eventloop afaik
[15:30] <droidslayer> Go to line 24...  that's where your program crashes
[15:30] <Quintasan> droidslayer: line 24 of the paste or #24 at backtrace? :P
[15:31] <droidslayer> Line 24 of paste :-P
[15:31] <Quintasan> #0  0x00007ffff3f66ba5 in raise () from /lib/libc.so.6
[15:31] <Quintasan> it starts here
[15:31] <JontheEchidna> Line 5 of the paste is where the problem is at
[15:31] <Quintasan> lol
[15:31] <JontheEchidna> it's trying to get an element in a QList past the end of the QList
[15:31] <JontheEchidna> ASSERT failure in QList<T>::at: "index out of range",
[15:31] <JontheEchidna> in the QtEmuEnvironment::getVersion() function
[15:32] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: and how can I check where in the source this might occur?
[15:32] <Quintasan> ohh
[15:32] <droidslayer> JontheEchidna: so like...  accessing stuff beyond a array?
[15:32] <JontheEchidna> look for the .at() function being used in that function
[15:32] <JontheEchidna> droidslayer: yes
[15:33] <droidslayer> JontheEchidna: isn't the backtrace supposed to say that?  Why is it after run?
[15:33] <JontheEchidna> lines 0-4 say that it raised an assert
[15:33] <CIA-39> [muon] jmthomas * 1208073 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/ (9 files in 9 dirs) Various string fixes
[15:33] <JontheEchidna> and the assert appears in th command line output
[15:34] <droidslayer> What's a assert?
[15:34] <JontheEchidna> http://www.cplusplus.com/reference/clibrary/cassert/assert/
[15:35] <JontheEchidna> it catches situations that aren't supposed to happen
[15:35] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: http://paste.ubuntu.com/545984/
[15:35] <JontheEchidna> so that it can crash a bit more gracefully (in this case without actually trying to access memory past the qlist)
[15:35] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: is line 107 the problematic one?
[15:36] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: yes
[15:36] <droidslayer> Ahhh
[15:36] <JontheEchidna> most likely the findVersion process didn't return a proper version line
[15:37] <JontheEchidna> to fix this, I'd check the size of the infoStringList has 5 or not, and return an empty string if it doesn't since there's probably an error
[15:38] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: versionString = infoStringList.at(5);
[15:38] <Quintasan> what is the .at(5) doing?
[15:39] <JontheEchidna> taking the 6th string in the infoStringList
[15:39] <droidslayer> Yep ^^
[15:39] <Quintasan> and if it doesn't exists it makes our app crash niceley
[15:39] <Quintasan> nicely*
[15:40] <JontheEchidna> right
[15:40] <ScottK> steveire: Looking into it.
[15:40] <steveire> Thanks
[15:40]  * Quintasan just noticed his C++ ability is actually useless
[15:40] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: How do I check for the size of something? sizeof()?
[15:40] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: for QList, either size() or count() will work
[15:41] <droidslayer> Quintasan: read api docs dude
[15:41] <droidslayer> Qt has amazing docs
[15:41] <Quintasan> droidslayer: too much bother to do this :P
[15:41] <droidslayer> :-P
[15:41] <JontheEchidna> I'd check the size right before doign any at() stuff, and return QString() if the size is not correct
[15:42] <droidslayer> I actually have the api docs installed :-D
[15:42] <JontheEchidna> bbiab, walking the dog
[15:43] <droidslayer> rbelem: congrats!!  ...  but for what :-P
[15:43] <Quintasan> droidslayer: would something trivial as if ((int) infoStringList.size() == 5) { /*something here*/ } work in this case?
[15:44] <droidslayer> No need for int there I think
[15:44] <droidslayer> But apart from that....  it should work
[15:45] <droidslayer> Add a else case when that comparison fails
[15:46] <rbelem> droidslayer, my son born almost two weeks ago :-)
[15:46] <droidslayer> Ahhh
[15:46] <droidslayer> rbelem: congrats!!!
[15:48] <droidslayer> Now I have to go and study....  :-D
[15:48] <Quintasan> ffff
[15:48] <droidslayer> Quintasan: have fun... ;-)
[15:48] <Quintasan> droidslayer: I'm not sure if I understand this :P
[15:49] <droidslayer> Quintasan: what part?
[15:49] <Quintasan> checking for size
[15:49] <hrw> hi guys
[15:49] <Quintasan> well, I know how to check for the size but I'm not sure what I should return in case it fails
[15:50] <ScottK> Hello hrw
[15:50] <droidslayer> Quintasan: JontheEchidna said qstring()
[15:50] <hrw> kdebugdialog has "Disable add debug output" checked.
[15:50] <hrw> so it should not generate any noise - right?
[15:50] <Quintasan> droidslayer: http://paste.ubuntu.com/545988
[15:50] <Quintasan> like this?
[15:50] <hrw> 16:50 hrw@home:~$ ll /tmp/xsession-hrw  /tmp/fileoribE7  -h
[15:50] <hrw> -rw------- 1 hrw hrw 3,9G 2010-12-20 16:50 /tmp/fileoribE7
[15:50] <hrw> lrwxrwxrwx 1 hrw hrw   15 2010-12-20 11:45 /tmp/xsession-hrw -> /tmp/fileoribE7
[15:51] <droidslayer> Quintasan: more like return QString()
[15:52]  * hrw -> vt1 to killall kde to get 4GB of /tmp/ back
[15:53] <droidslayer> Quintasan: ok bye....  need2study... :-P
[15:53] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: if (infoStringList.size() != 6) { return QString(); }
[15:53] <Riddell> hrw: why do you have a massive xsession file in /tmp ?
[15:54] <hrw> Riddell: maybe because ~/.xsession-errors -> /dev/null?
[15:54] <hrw> Riddell: I got 25GB ~/.xsession-errors
[15:54] <hrw> full of kde noise
[15:55] <hrw> with kdebugdialog with 'disable add debug output' set
[15:56] <CIA-39> [muon] jmthomas * 1208079 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/libmuon/DownloadModel/DownloadDelegate.cpp Consistency for context messages
[15:56] <hrw> http://pastebin.com/8JYqsyMH is contents of current file
[15:56] <hrw> I just restarted x11
[15:56] <hrw> /bin/sh: LC_ALL: nie znaleziono polecenia
[15:56] <hrw> ops
[15:57] <hrw> System plików            rozm. użyte dost. %uż. zamont. na
[15:57] <hrw> none                  3,9G     -     -   -  /tmp
[15:57] <Riddell> hrw: I'm not convinced it's listening to that disable all debug output tickbox
[15:57] <Riddell> hrw: are any of the individual tickboxes ticked?
[15:57] <hrw> Riddell: yes
[15:57] <hrw> ops, no - none are ticked
[15:58]  * hrw -> vt1 again. this will will use "kill -9" on k* tasks
[15:58] <Riddell> don't have a mysterious second copy of kdelibs around that would explain why it's ignoring the normal settings?
[15:58] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: hope this works, thanks
[15:58] <Quintasan> lol
[15:59] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: at worst, whatever is wanting the version will get an empty string, so if there is a GUI label wanting to display that it might be empty, but it shouldn't crash
[16:00] <Quintasan> That should be enough
[16:00] <Quintasan> QtEmu is as good as dead
[16:00] <hrw> Riddell: nope
[16:00] <Quintasan> I think noone cares about this anymore but I kinda like it.
[16:00] <JontheEchidna> it appears to still be in alpha
[16:01] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: it's in alpha since 2009 and I don't think I saw any new commits
[16:01] <hrw> ok. time to kill nepomuk and forget that it exists again + teach akonadi about remote cals
[16:01] <Quintasan> FTBFS FFFFFFUUUU-
[16:01] <CIA-39> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1208082 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/libqapt/CMakeLists.txt Version bump for impending 1.0.90 (1.1 beta2) release
[16:02] <CIA-39> [muon] jmthomas * 1208083 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/ (installer/main.cpp muon/main.cpp updater/main.cpp) Version bump for impending 1.0.90 (1.1 beta2) release
[16:02] <hrw> [/usr/bin/nepomukservicestub] "/usr/bin/nepomukservicestub(26211)" Soprano: "Invalid argument (1)": "Cannot remove the empty context"
[16:02] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: it seems that we're not allowed to use a return there
[16:03] <Quintasan> /tmp/buildd/qtemu-2.0~alpha1/qtemuenvironment.cpp:85:54: error: return-statement with a value, in function returning 'void'
[16:03] <JontheEchidna> oh
[16:03] <hrw> one source of noise less. some apps will complain now about lack of nepomuk ;(
[16:03] <JontheEchidna> then just return;, returning nothing
[16:03] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: instead of return QString();?
[16:03] <JontheEchidna> right, just return;
[16:04] <JontheEchidna> though that means that it is a pretty useless function
[16:04] <ScottK> hrw: nepomuk is (for better or for worse) not considered optional, so it's not suprising there are complaints.
[16:04] <Quintasan> well, if it fixes something then it is not useless :P
[16:04] <JontheEchidna> oh, unless versionChecked is a class member variable
[16:05] <JontheEchidna> yeah, that code is using bad style by not differentiating between local and member variables
[16:05] <hrw> ScottK: I can symlink ~/.xsession-errors to /media/storage - there should be ~300GB free. but this space will end in few days due to nepomuk..
[16:05] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: one thing, any idea why sudo makes pbuilder use /root/.pbuilderrc instead of mine?
[16:05] <JontheEchidna> because sudo is running it as root? I dunno
[16:05] <ScottK> Not much we can do about nepmuk's requiredness at a distro level.
[16:06] <ScottK> Quintasan: It's because environment handling with sudo changed in natty.
[16:06] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: http://paste.ubuntu.com/545991 not sure what to do with this
[16:06] <Quintasan> -lQtNetwork?
[16:06] <JontheEchidna> yeah
[16:06] <Quintasan> ScottK: oh, I just copied my .pbuilderrc to /root and it worked :P
[16:06] <hrw> now time to reinstall kdepim-dbg and report useless report bug against akonadi/kcal
[16:07] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: where do I put this, in CMakeLists.txt?
[16:08] <JontheEchidna> target_link_libraries
[16:09] <hrw> btw - do I have to restart X11 session to make akonadi use akonadi-dbg for resolving symbols?
[16:10] <ScottK> You shouldn't
[16:10] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: it has some lines like ${QT_QTCORE_LIBRARY} . I assume ${QT_QTNETWORK_LIBRARY} will do just fine
[16:11] <ScottK> cmake 2.8.3 FTBFS  in Natty due to linker problems.  If the build system explains why, I'm missing it.  http://paste.ubuntu.com/545992/ - Suggestions welcome.
[16:12]  * Quintasan <3 libeatmydata in pbuilder
[16:13] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: awesome, it built
[16:13] <JontheEchidna> <3
[16:14] <Quintasan> omfg it works
[16:14] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: <3
[16:14] <Quintasan> cookies for JontheEchidna
[16:14] <JontheEchidna> \o/
[16:15] <Quintasan> ahaha
[16:15] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: http://i.imgur.com/AT5G2.png
[16:15] <Quintasan> LO
[16:15] <Quintasan> :O
[16:16] <Quintasan> huh
[16:16] <Quintasan> it works though
[16:16] <JontheEchidna> lol
[16:17] <Quintasan> If I have some time in future I will fix this
[16:18] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: that's just a temporary fix and I think I could fix it and then upload it
[16:18] <Quintasan> in case someone still uses QtEmu
[16:19] <Quintasan> ScottK: installing at updating Lucid
[16:19] <ScottK> Quintasan: Cool.
[16:19]  * Quintasan looks for his long-forgotten ICQ number
[16:20] <Quintasan> ScottK: we want to know if ICQ basically works?
[16:20] <ScottK> Quintasan: Yes.  Becuase the 4.4.5 upload subsumed an exisiting SRU for fixing that.
[16:20] <ScottK> Quintasan: We also need general feedback on how all of KDE SC works.
[16:21]  * Quintasan is not sure what subsumed means but that's a sure nice word
[16:21] <Quintasan> ScottK: Great, I think I will report back today
[16:21] <Quintasan> Unless my ISP decides to do something with their hardware today -_-
[16:21] <ScottK> Quintasan: Good.  Feedback needs to be in the bug where ubuntu-sru will see it.
[16:22] <Quintasan> ScottK: Could you give me the bug #?
[16:22] <ScottK> Quintasan: https://launchpad.net/bugs/691068
[16:25] <hrw> http://websvn.kde.org/?view=revision&revision=1207304 - can someone backport it to 4.4.8 kdepim?
[16:26] <ScottK> hrw: 4.4.9 is coming out in a week or two, IIRC.
[16:27] <hrw> ScottK: ok
[16:34] <hrw> I am starting to consider mv ~/.kde ~/.kde-backup (+ same for nepomuk/akonadi/whatever kde4 uses)
[16:34] <hrw> akonadi complains when nepomuk is not running. nepomuk uses soprano and generates insane amount of crap debugs
[16:35] <hrw> [/usr/bin/nepomukservicestub] "/usr/bin/nepomukservicestub(32465)" Soprano: "SQLExecDirect failed on query 'sparql insert into graph <urn:nepomuk:local:3aa5381c-c593-4678-b1aa-111c02308128> { <mailto:david.gilbert@linaro.org> <http://www.semanticdesktop.org/ontologies/2007/03/22/nco#emailAddress> "david.gilbert@linaro.org"^^<http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema#string> . }' (iODBC Error: [OpenLink][Virtuoso iODBC Driver][Virtuoso Server]SR014: F
[16:35] <hrw> I am starting to fear akonadi powered kdepim
[16:37] <ScottK> hrw: We plan to be careful about moving to it as default.
[16:37] <hrw> ScottK: at one moment we will have to as upstream will stop maintain 4.4 branch
[16:38] <hrw> I do not want to go to claws-mail or evolution/thunderbird.
[16:38] <ScottK> hrw: Yes, but our current plan for Natty is to have kdepim as default and kdepim2 in universe for crazy people.
[16:38] <ScottK> So that gives it another half-year to get better.
[16:38] <hrw> but I have a strange feeling that in 2011 I will start to move from kde to anything else
[16:39] <ScottK> Let's hope not
[16:40] <hrw> amount of subsystems starts to be scary. add amount of subsystem names... soprano, nepomuk, akonadi which needs each other and cant cope if any fails in strange way. nothing gives informations 'look: XYZ failed to do ABC on DFG' - few hundred lines of debug output instead
[16:40] <hrw> Solid still calls hal?
[16:41] <hrw> QStringList Solid::Backends::Hal::HalManager::findDeviceByDeviceInterface(Solid::DeviceInterface::Type)  error:  "org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown" 
[16:43] <ScottK> hrw: Shouldn't if you don't have it installed.
[16:43] <ScottK> Whine to upstream about that one.
[16:43] <hrw> yep, will do
[16:44]  * hrw -> bugs.kde.org to flood
[16:46] <Quintasan> hurrr
[16:47] <Quintasan> anyone running KDE in KVM?
[16:48] <ScottK> re: my earlier problem of cmake 2.8.3 failing to build a link time on Natty, 2.8.2 links fine.
[16:49] <Riddell> ScottK: mm?  I just built it fine
[16:49] <ScottK> Riddell: OK.  It's possible I ran out of disk space at that moment.  I was close.
[16:50] <Riddell> I synced it from debian too
[16:50] <ScottK> Cool.
[16:50] <Riddell> building it on maverick now
[16:50] <ScottK> I'll do steveire's SRU then.
[16:50] <Riddell> ScottK: SRU with what?
[16:50] <ScottK> Riddell: He found a one line change that fixes the problem
[16:51] <ScottK> Riddell: See Bug #692595
[16:51] <Quintasan> hmmmmmm
[16:51] <hrw> kde bug 260809 
[16:51] <Quintasan> std vga driver is kinda slow
[16:51] <Riddell> ScottK: ah hah, clever steveire 
[16:52] <Riddell> ScottK: I may as well do the backport anyway for the other 2.8.3 changes
[16:52] <ScottK> Riddell: I'm fine with a backport, but I think this is SRU worthy.  I've about got the testbuild done.
[16:52] <steveire> It wasn't all my work, but I'll happily take all the credit :)
[16:52] <Riddell> ScottK: yep
[16:53] <ScottK> steveire: Sometimes knowing who to ask is the most important thing.
[16:53] <Quintasan> ScottK: upgrading
[16:57] <hrw> kde bug 167852 is fun ;(
[16:59] <Quintasan> hmm, the upgrade will take a while, I'm going to do my homewok then
[17:11] <Riddell> http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kdevelop-4.2-beta
[17:42] <Riddell> dantti: can you check the debdiff on bug 691474 is ok?  it missed out one hunk of the patch which doesn't seem to be relevant for 0.6.8
[17:42] <Riddell> dantti: also could you add a comment with a test case for verification?
[17:45] <shadeslayer> ScottK: i think im subscribed to that one, but i might have missed it under the ton of bug mail
[18:04]  * ScottK gives Riddell a little whack for ~ppa1 versions in the archive (kdevelop).
[18:04] <ScottK> Glad to see it in though.
[18:05] <ScottK> Riddell: Did you sort out the packagekit build failure yet?  If not, I was going to ask a mozillaish person to look at it.  I'm sure it's their fault somehow.
[18:11] <Riddell> ScottK: I've got a cold today, bad concentration, kdevelop's versioning is the victim
[18:11] <ScottK> Riddell: Understand.  We've all done it a time or two.
[18:14] <Riddell> "checking for PK_BROWSER_PLUGIN... no"  needs digging in to find out what the check is there
[18:14] <Riddell> it's not fixed anyway
[18:55] <Quintasan> ScottK: Oh god, this is next to impossible, ICQ somehow doesn't show me any account number and tells me to use my email address, and Kopete won't let you type letters there :)
[18:55] <ScottK> Sigh.  That's not good.
[18:55] <ScottK> apachelogger: ^^^ Help.
[18:56] <ScottK> Quintasan: How's the rest?
[18:56] <Quintasan> Well, Kinda works
[18:56] <Quintasan> Everything's fine, the performance is good for for a kvm machine
[18:56] <ScottK> ICQ broken is not a regression, so we can leave that for the moment.
[18:56] <Quintasan> If I stumble upon something I will let you know.
[18:57] <ScottK> Please put the positive report in the bug.
[18:57] <Quintasan> installing restricted extras works
[18:57] <ScottK> Riddell: micahg is going to have a look at the mozilla bits of packagekit later tonight.
[19:00] <ScottK> kdevelop FTBFS on armel is just archive skew.  I'll retry it in ~45 minutes
[19:02] <ScottK> nixternal: Can haz powerpc?
[19:03] <Quintasan> grrrrr
[19:03] <Quintasan> ScottK: well, I your UNI is your profile number, but I kind of can't login
[19:03] <Quintasan> Says password is wrong
[19:05] <Quintasan> brrr
[19:06] <Quintasan> I'm going to do my homework first
[20:25] <barraponto> are there packages for the latest beta of kdevelop/kdevplatform ?
[20:25] <ScottK> Yes
[21:19] <ScottK> nixternal: Nevermind.  Found the same problem on arm, so trying with that hardware.
[23:52] <dantti> Riddell: the debdiff seems fine, and the test case if just install his bank .deb file
[23:52] <dantti> s/if/is