| hajour | ok i reported the bug about to chromium | 01:01 |
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| hajour | Pendulum I would like to have teamspeak for accessibility in the chat rooms here on ubuntu .it should make it more accessible for people with some handicaps | 03:46 |
| Pendulum | hajour: teamspeak? | 03:53 |
| hajour | o yes | 03:53 |
| Pendulum | I don't know what that is | 03:53 |
| hajour | a program that make possible to speak instead of typing | 03:54 |
| hajour | in games they use it to | 03:55 |
| hajour | leoquant by example have problems with his hands | 03:55 |
| Pendulum | well, IRC is something that people use all sorts of methods to access | 03:55 |
| hajour | it should make it more accessible for him | 03:56 |
| Pendulum | it's also proprietary, not open source | 03:56 |
| Pendulum | and not everyone can hear | 03:56 |
| hajour | yes but we have tryed to install a sort of teamspeak in the speechcontrol chat | 03:57 |
| Pendulum | *nods* | 03:57 |
| hajour | others can type | 03:57 |
| Pendulum | right, but don't they need to be able to hear what he's saying? | 03:57 |
| hajour | its just when he neead to say something ore ask | 03:57 |
| hajour | its no problem every pc have sound | 03:58 |
| hajour | laptop | 03:58 |
| Pendulum | right, but if they can't hear (like are deaf or are in a place where they can't have sound or headphones) | 03:58 |
| hajour | its not that you need a exspensive soundcard of something | 03:58 |
| Pendulum | I understand that. I'm saying we have people who work on our project who are deaf | 03:58 |
| hajour | someone can say it if it is emportant type | 03:59 |
| Pendulum | anyway, to get it into ubuntu channels, someone would need to approach the IRC council | 03:59 |
| Pendulum | and I'm not sure they'd agree with it | 03:59 |
| hajour | i dont mean everybody needs to speak true it | 03:59 |
| hajour | only the one with a handicap who need it | 03:59 |
| Pendulum | btw, I don't know leoquant, but has he tried dasher? | 04:00 |
| Pendulum | it's an alternate keyboard input | 04:00 |
| hajour | mm i shall ask it | 04:00 |
| Pendulum | (all mouse, no typing) | 04:00 |
| hajour | we tryed teamspeak and mumble | 04:00 |
| Pendulum | I have hand issues and it's the best thing I've found that worked with linux (it's not voice recognition software, though) | 04:01 |
| hajour | i just try to find a solution for him | 04:01 |
| Pendulum | *nods* | 04:01 |
| Pendulum | what does he do for things that aren't IRC? | 04:01 |
| hajour | hehe Pendulum thats where we working on | 04:01 |
| hajour | he is working on a beginners team /classroom for the dutch loco | 04:04 |
| hajour | it is called mwanzo | 04:04 |
| Pendulum | hajour: right, but how does he use his computer for non-IRC things? | 04:05 |
| hajour | one key at a time, only can use one finger | 04:05 |
| Pendulum | he should really try dasher | 04:05 |
| hajour | what would be really nice if there was some sort of conference app with text, sound and video, as easy as irc, cheese | 04:08 |
| hajour | ok i shall ask him ore he tryed that | 04:08 |
| hajour | he is in our team for translation | 04:09 |
| hajour | he have done a lot of work for translation | 04:09 |
| Pendulum | cool | 04:10 |
| hajour | yes and he have al kind of contacts true the translation team in ubuntu-nl (dutch) | 04:11 |
| hajour | i just want he have a good chance to be active in the speechcontrol to | 04:12 |
| hajour | and we building a accessibility project | 04:13 |
| hajour | so it should be weird if there was no accessibility in our team | 04:14 |
| Pendulum | I would really suggest he look at dasher at least as a short-term solution | 04:14 |
| Pendulum | I <3 dasher and am happy to help with some of the non-obvious bits | 04:14 |
| hajour | we gonna try that,if it not works i come back here :P | 04:14 |
| Pendulum | heh | 04:15 |
| Pendulum | well, I will not have the time or energy to take it to the IRC council, but that's how it would have to proceed to get teamspeak in an Ubuntu channel | 04:15 |
| hajour | Pendulum, we need buttons on programs and that sort of things for applications with contrasting colors for people who are colorblind | 04:16 |
| hajour | i have asked in design but i for advice but i had not get respons | 04:18 |
| hajour | sorry for my lines | 04:18 |
| Pendulum | well, some of that is not something Ubuntu can control. Some of that is individual programs | 04:18 |
| hajour | little tired | 04:19 |
| Pendulum | otherwise, there are options in compiz to change contrast | 04:19 |
| Pendulum | AlanBell I think has played around with that more than I have | 04:19 |
| hajour | yes but i could not help mhall119 true that | 04:19 |
| Pendulum | charlie-tca probably has as well | 04:19 |
| hajour | AlanBell, and charlie-tca dit also not now a solution for the thing from mhall119 | 04:20 |
| Pendulum | (I don't disagree that it should be easier) | 04:20 |
| Pendulum | ok | 04:20 |
| Pendulum | I don't know if the design team will have any better ideas. and unless we're already talking about on Unity, I'm a little reluctant to look at how the regular gnome desktop looks when Unity is about to be the default for everyone | 04:21 |
| hajour | orca dit crashed UndiFineD his pc because it couched a log out spontaneously.also after the running | 04:21 |
| hajour | many times | 04:22 |
| hajour | we have report the bug | 04:22 |
| Pendulum | *nods* I saw that you filed a bug about that | 04:23 |
| hajour | also the sound from orca cant be used on all pc s audio it seems like it anyway | 04:23 |
| Pendulum | I don't know enough about orca and how it works to know if that's an Ubuntu-specific bug or an upstream bug | 04:23 |
| hajour | i dont no aether i only report :) | 04:25 |
| Pendulum | what's the bug number? | 04:25 |
| Pendulum | :) | 04:25 |
| hajour | sec i going to look brb | 04:25 |
| hajour | UndiFineD, is going to look because i cant find it.but he just is logged out again .stil the results of orca | 04:33 |
| hajour | so he have to start his pc again | 04:33 |
| hajour | ok this is him https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=637621 | 04:34 |
| ubot2 | Gnome bug 637621 in speech "Orca crashes, logs me out" [Major,Needinfo] | 04:34 |
| Pendulum | oh, it looks like joanie is looking at stuff! that's useful :) | 04:35 |
| hajour | yes to solve it hopefully | 04:38 |
| Pendulum | yeah | 04:38 |
| Pendulum | joanie's someone I really like and respect | 04:38 |
| Pendulum | so hopefully she'll figure it out | 04:38 |
| hajour | because its no fun for him to restart his pc at least 10 times on 1 evening | 04:39 |
| Pendulum | yeah | 04:40 |
| hajour | Pendulum, its 5.45 in morning here.i going to sleep now.if you know something ore need me just ping me ore pm.:) | 04:42 |
| Pendulum | I'm heading to bed shortly myself. good night! | 04:43 |
| hajour | o and thanks Pendulum | 04:44 |
| hajour | good night :) | 04:44 |
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| IdleOne | anybody here ever use Sphinx4, it is a voice recognition program | 16:58 |
| IdleOne | got a user in #ubuntu who is having some issues with it. | 16:59 |
| AlanBell | IdleOne: yes | 17:00 |
| IdleOne | AlanBell: you think you can take a stab at it if you got the time? | 17:00 |
| IdleOne | user is sherbieny | 17:00 |
| AlanBell | ok | 17:00 |
| IdleOne | he is getting the follwing error when running from terminal | 17:01 |
| IdleOne | gnome-sound-recorder:12900): GStreamer-CRITICAL **: gst_implements_interface_cast: assertion `gst_element_implements_interface (GST_ELEMENT (from), iface_type)' failed | 17:01 |
| AlanBell | sherbieny: hi | 17:03 |
| sherbieny | hey | 17:03 |
| sherbieny | how r u | 17:03 |
| AlanBell | #ubuntu makes my head spin, much quieter here! | 17:03 |
| AlanBell | I have to do some real life stuff feeding kids in a sec, will have more time later | 17:03 |
| sherbieny | yes its like a reading competition there | 17:03 |
| IdleOne | sherbieny: good luck with sphinx, hopefully you and AlanBell can get it sorted. | 17:03 |
| AlanBell | how did you install sphinx? | 17:04 |
| AlanBell | and what version of ubuntu etc? | 17:04 |
| AlanBell | I found the accuracy pretty low | 17:04 |
| sherbieny | IdleOne: thanks for helping I'll come back to you if I didn't sort my mic issue out | 17:05 |
| sherbieny | AlanBell: Well I installed sphinx4 by downloading the bin and src and extracting them together into sphinx4-1.0beta5 | 17:07 |
| sherbieny | AlanBell: My specs is: | 17:07 |
| sherbieny | AlanBell: Ubuntu10.10 with windows 7 on Hp Pavillion dv6000 | 17:08 |
| sherbieny | AlanBell: when I enter: cat /proc/asound/card0/codec#* | grep Codec | 17:11 |
| sherbieny | Codec: Realtek ALC268 Codec: Motorola Si3054 | 17:11 |
| sherbieny | AlanBell: now My mic is working but not very well first when I run it using the terminal I get this: | 17:13 |
| sherbieny | (gnome-sound-recorder:13954): GStreamer-CRITICAL **: gst_implements_interface_cast: assertion `gst_element_implements_interface (GST_ELEMENT (from), iface_type)' failed | 17:14 |
| sherbieny | AlanBell: I don't know the problem I seems to have two internal mics | 17:16 |
| sherbieny | still there? | 17:17 |
| UndiFineD | sherbieny, that is a bug to report | 17:18 |
| sherbieny | how to report it | 17:18 |
| UndiFineD | however i get the feeling some of these sound bugs are smp related (more than one cpu) | 17:18 |
| UndiFineD | it is a gstreamer bug | 17:18 |
| sherbieny | I'm trying to understand but I don't | 17:19 |
| sherbieny | The gnoem-sound-recorder is recording | 17:20 |
| sherbieny | but when I push record button it doesn't start the timer | 17:21 |
| sherbieny | AlanBell: A question about sphinx4 | 17:22 |
| UndiFineD | https://bugzilla.gnome.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=GStreamer | 17:23 |
| AlanBell | back now | 17:26 |
| sherbieny | AlanBell: How to start a tester or something with WSJ models so that sphinx give me sentences, I read it and sphinx takes what I said and sends me a error percentage report | 17:27 |
| AlanBell | hmm, I only have sphinx2 installed at the moment | 17:27 |
| sherbieny | AlanBell: and sphinx2 can do what just told you | 17:27 |
| sherbieny | AlanBell: and sphinx2 can do what I just told you | 17:27 |
| AlanBell | I got one of the WSJ models working with pocketsphinx I think | 17:31 |
| AlanBell | so you want it to score your pronounciation or something? | 17:31 |
| AlanBell | http://www.keithv.com/software/sphinx/ this kind of stuff | 17:33 |
| sherbieny | AlanBell: brb | 17:35 |
| AlanBell | Pendulum: http://www.keithv.com/software/speechdasher/ | 17:37 |
| AlanBell | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fa7tVUS7yY0&feature=player_embedded | 17:37 |
| Pendulum | interesting | 17:37 |
| sherbieny | I'm back | 17:39 |
| AlanBell | sherbieny: I will try and set up sphinx4 later to reproduce the error you were getting | 17:40 |
| AlanBell | there is also a #sphinx channel on freenode | 17:41 |
| sherbieny | AlanBell: yes I want some score or some data and also I want to repeat the experiment but changing frequency or something | 17:41 |
| sherbieny | AlanBell: no no no no no | 17:41 |
| AlanBell | I am quite interested in what you are trying to do | 17:41 |
| sherbieny | AlanBell: sphinx4 has no problem at all | 17:42 |
| AlanBell | ok, sorry | 17:42 |
| sherbieny | AlanBell: I installed it and integrated it with eclipse | 17:42 |
| sherbieny | AlanBell: the problem is I can't figure out how to use it | 17:43 |
| sherbieny | AlanBell: I can only use the demos like HelloWorld | 17:43 |
| sherbieny | AlanBell: but to test the speech engine's accuracy that is the issue | 17:44 |
| AlanBell | pretty low! | 17:45 |
| AlanBell | but yes, an objective measure would be good | 17:45 |
| sherbieny | AlanBell: ofcourse it would very lovely | 17:45 |
| AlanBell | I think that is what the NIST tools do, I have seen several references to them | 17:47 |
| sherbieny | AlanBell: I need to get over sphinx to find the next speech engine and test it so that I can start documenting my experiments | 17:47 |
| AlanBell | there are some evaluation tools here http://www.itl.nist.gov/iad/mig//tools/ | 17:47 |
| sherbieny | AlanBell: NIST? is it inside sphinx2 or 4 or is it something else | 17:47 |
| AlanBell | I have no idea how to use them though | 17:48 |
| AlanBell | it is mentioned in http://www.speech.cs.cmu.edu/sphinx/tutorial.html under word alignment | 17:48 |
| AlanBell | we have been looking into speech in general over the past week or so | 17:49 |
| AlanBell | it is not yet as awesome as we would like it to be! | 17:49 |
| AlanBell | one of the most promising looking things is the simon-listens application which uses the Julius speech recognition engine | 17:50 |
| sherbieny | no free software is awesome | 17:50 |
| AlanBell | all free software is awesome | 17:50 |
| sherbieny | I mean in speech-recognition | 17:51 |
| AlanBell | but some need additional awesomeness | 17:51 |
| sherbieny | all the softwares I found is so complicated and has no GUIs | 17:51 |
| AlanBell | simon-listens is a gui | 17:51 |
| sherbieny | and its out!! | 17:52 |
| AlanBell | but yes, the recognition engines are toolkits rather than finished goods | 17:52 |
| AlanBell | simon-listens is more of a command recognition tool rather than continuous speech recognition | 17:53 |
| AlanBell | which is much more practical at the moment | 17:53 |
| sherbieny | and thats the issue no speech recognition tool is complete except the commercial products | 17:53 |
| sherbieny | like dragon | 17:53 |
| AlanBell | from what I have seen free text dictation seems to be a number of years away | 17:53 |
| AlanBell | so what are you looking to do with it in the end? | 17:56 |
| sherbieny | thats a good question | 17:56 |
| UndiFineD | I have seen comparison of dns / sphinx / julius / others, dns is marginally better | 17:56 |
| AlanBell | didn't dragon get discontinued years ago? | 17:56 |
| UndiFineD | well it is still there and sold | 17:57 |
| sherbieny | It started as an easy topic for my thesis project | 17:57 |
| UndiFineD | do not know of their development | 17:57 |
| Pendulum | AlanBell: Dragon is still around. I assume you're thinking of ViaVoice which used to work on Linux | 17:57 |
| AlanBell | Pendulum: probably | 17:58 |
| sherbieny | I have to make a comparison between speech recognition engines | 17:58 |
| AlanBell | sherbieny: ok, great where are you doing your degree? | 17:58 |
| AlanBell | to do a fair comparison I would play each one the same sound file and do some stats on the results | 17:59 |
| UndiFineD | hajour, is curious an on her way :) | 17:59 |
| hajour | hai all | 17:59 |
| AlanBell | probably using something like the news or a radio play as the sound file | 17:59 |
| AlanBell | hi hajour | 18:00 |
| hajour | reading back:) | 18:00 |
| sherbieny | AlanBell: I'm doing it in german university in egypt | 18:00 |
| AlanBell | sherbieny: hajour has been looking into speech and pulling together interested people | 18:00 |
| AlanBell | sherbieny: wow, interesting! | 18:00 |
| sherbieny | Its my graduation project and I'm running out of time | 18:01 |
| AlanBell | sherbieny: simon-listens is a german led project, as is openMary | 18:01 |
| sherbieny | i can't get anyone of them to work so I can start get the data I need for my documentation | 18:02 |
| AlanBell | other universities with strong research groups in the area are Edinburgh where they develop festival (text to speech) and Carnegie Mellon where Sphinx comes from | 18:02 |
| sherbieny | Well they are out of my reach now, I hope to find a way to just use sphinx, I don't want to write programs or scripts | 18:03 |
| sherbieny | I just want to start something read a sentence and get an error report | 18:03 |
| sherbieny | and repeat with changing some variables like frequency, amplitude | 18:04 |
| AlanBell | http://www.itl.nist.gov/iad/mig/tools/index.html | 18:06 |
| AlanBell | look at the Speech Recognition Scoring Toolkit | 18:06 |
| sherbieny | and I hope I can do this on other softwares, write reports, finish my thesis and graduate :) | 18:06 |
| AlanBell | yay \o/ | 18:06 |
| UndiFineD | sherbieny, we have wayward... he produced sonic and announced it on the debian accessibility mailinglist | 18:06 |
| UndiFineD | sonic can speed and slow voices and alter pitch | 18:07 |
| UndiFineD | his real name is Bill Cox | 18:07 |
| hajour | and bedahr from simons listen | 18:07 |
| hajour | RainCT from julius | 18:08 |
| hajour | in our team | 18:08 |
| UndiFineD | and we still like to hear from TheMuso :P | 18:09 |
| hajour | so if you ever chance your mind | 18:09 |
| sherbieny | UndiFineD, what is wayward | 18:09 |
| hajour | AlanBell, have you let him see the launchpad from speechcontrol team? | 18:09 |
| UndiFineD | sherbieny, his nick ,his real name is Bill Cox | 18:10 |
| hajour | his nick is waywardgeek | 18:10 |
| sherbieny | you lost me guys :D | 18:11 |
| UndiFineD | no your still here :) | 18:11 |
| AlanBell | hajour: no, I was answering the questions! | 18:11 |
| UndiFineD | its ok AlanBell :) | 18:12 |
| sherbieny | ohh I thought you'r telling me all these info | 18:12 |
| hajour | https://launchpad.net/~speechcontrolteam | 18:12 |
| AlanBell | sherbieny: hajour has been leading a focus group looking into the state of the art in Free Software speech recognition and text to speech | 18:12 |
| sherbieny | hajour, my maaaaan please help | 18:12 |
| hajour | lol i am a she | 18:12 |
| sherbieny | ohh, hajour , my womaaaaaan please help | 18:13 |
| AlanBell | sherbieny: I think I will have a play with some of those scoring toolkit things later | 18:13 |
| hajour | hehe corection UndiFineD his women hehe | 18:13 |
| UndiFineD | sherbieny, about sonic, which could help you: http://lists.debian.org/debian-accessibility/2010/12/msg00030.html | 18:14 |
| AlanBell | right now I don't know how to get a percentage score or anything out of a speech recognition system | 18:14 |
| hajour | i now it is a lot info | 18:14 |
| sherbieny | so who's the woman | 18:14 |
| UndiFineD | hajour | 18:14 |
| hajour | me | 18:14 |
| sherbieny | AlanBell, thanks for the effort and see you soon | 18:15 |
| hajour | its to much for him :P | 18:15 |
| AlanBell | sherbieny: http://www.keithv.com/pub/baselinewsj/baseline_wsj_recipes.pdf | 18:15 |
| hajour | hope your problem shall be solved soon | 18:15 |
| AlanBell | sherbieny: really interested to hear how you get on with it | 18:16 |
| sherbieny | hajour, do you know how to use sphinx4 | 18:16 |
| hajour | mm again a problem with a voice program | 18:16 |
| sherbieny | yes | 18:16 |
| sherbieny | AlanBell, thanks | 18:16 |
| hajour | we shall look on it sherbieny | 18:16 |
| UndiFineD | AlanBell, had it working, i have not got vedics to work yet | 18:16 |
| hajour | AlanBell, pm? | 18:17 |
| AlanBell | sure hajour | 18:17 |
| UndiFineD | vedics makes use of sphinx4 | 18:17 |
| sherbieny | UndiFineD, no AlanBell got sphinx2 working and not the error reports | 18:17 |
| UndiFineD | oh yes :) | 18:18 |
| UndiFineD | I have it installed, but needs config | 18:18 |
| UndiFineD | which i have not yet looked into | 18:18 |
| sherbieny | I have it installed to and integrated with eclipse but no use | 18:18 |
| sherbieny | all i can do is some demo applications | 18:19 |
| sherbieny | and the manual is impossible | 18:20 |
| UndiFineD | my at-spi is broken, which i need to fix | 18:20 |
| UndiFineD | http://paste.ubuntu.com/546044/ | 18:20 |
| AlanBell | sherbieny: http://cmusphinx.sourceforge.net/sphinx4/tests/live/README.html | 18:21 |
| sherbieny | is this an error log from sphinx4 installation | 18:22 |
| hajour | sherbieny, sorry but i have to make diner now.else i get angry kids.i think you are in good hands with AlanBell and UndiFineD .:) | 18:22 |
| sherbieny | thanks | 18:22 |
| hajour | np :) | 18:23 |
| sherbieny | AlanBell, thanks this is the farthest point I reached in my search and I couldn't work it with WSJ | 18:25 |
| AlanBell | ok | 18:25 |
| AlanBell | I downloaded the -bin zip file so I don't have that, I will grab the -src version | 18:25 |
| sherbieny | the src version contains them but when you change the path in config files it get angry and start shouting errors | 18:27 |
| AlanBell | yeah, Java doesn't do small friendly errors | 18:28 |
| Pendulum | UndiFineD: is your facebook profile pic you, hajour, and the kids? | 20:39 |
| UndiFineD | yes | 20:40 |
| Pendulum | cool :) | 20:40 |
| UndiFineD | found you :) | 20:41 |
| Pendulum | I could tell | 20:41 |
| hajour | ? | 20:45 |
| hajour | a ok | 20:46 |
| hajour | its a pic. from 2 years back on his side :P | 20:46 |
| hajour | but its the only one we all are on | 20:47 |
| Pendulum | :) | 20:49 |
| hajour | my oldest daughter is here on ubuntu also now | 20:50 |
| hajour | but more on ubuntu nl.she find english for now a bit to difficult | 20:52 |
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