[01:01] <hajour> ok i reported the bug about to chromium
[03:46] <hajour> Pendulum I would like to have teamspeak for  accessibility in the chat rooms here on ubuntu .it should make it more accessible for people with some handicaps
[03:53] <Pendulum> hajour: teamspeak?
[03:53] <hajour> o yes
[03:53] <Pendulum> I don't know what that is
[03:54] <hajour> a program that make possible to speak instead of typing
[03:55] <hajour> in games they use it to
[03:55] <hajour> leoquant by example have problems with his hands
[03:55] <Pendulum> well, IRC is something that people use all sorts of methods to access
[03:56] <hajour> it should make it more accessible for him
[03:56] <Pendulum> it's also proprietary, not open source
[03:56] <Pendulum> and not everyone can hear
[03:57] <hajour> yes but we have tryed to install a sort of teamspeak in the speechcontrol chat
[03:57] <Pendulum> *nods*
[03:57] <hajour> others can type
[03:57] <Pendulum> right, but don't they need to be able to hear what he's saying?
[03:57] <hajour> its just when he neead to say something ore ask
[03:58] <hajour> its no problem every pc have sound
[03:58] <hajour> laptop
[03:58] <Pendulum> right, but if they can't hear (like are deaf or are in a place where they can't have sound or headphones)
[03:58] <hajour> its not that you need a exspensive soundcard of something
[03:58] <Pendulum> I understand that. I'm saying we have people who work on our project who are deaf
[03:59] <hajour> someone can say it if it is emportant type
[03:59] <Pendulum> anyway, to get it into ubuntu channels, someone would need to approach the IRC council
[03:59] <Pendulum> and I'm not sure they'd agree with it
[03:59] <hajour> i dont mean everybody needs to speak true it
[03:59] <hajour> only the one with a handicap who need it
[04:00] <Pendulum> btw, I don't know leoquant, but has he tried dasher?
[04:00] <Pendulum> it's an alternate keyboard input
[04:00] <hajour> mm i shall ask it
[04:00] <Pendulum> (all mouse, no typing)
[04:00] <hajour> we tryed teamspeak and mumble
[04:01] <Pendulum> I have hand issues and it's the best thing I've found that worked with linux (it's not voice recognition software, though)
[04:01] <hajour> i just try to find a solution for him
[04:01] <Pendulum> *nods*
[04:01] <Pendulum> what does he do for things that aren't IRC?
[04:01] <hajour> hehe Pendulum  thats where we working on
[04:04] <hajour> he is working on a beginners team /classroom for the dutch loco 
[04:04] <hajour> it is called mwanzo
[04:05] <Pendulum> hajour: right, but how does he use his computer for non-IRC things? 
[04:05] <hajour> one key at a time, only can use one finger
[04:05] <Pendulum> he should really try dasher
[04:08] <hajour> what would be really nice if there was some sort of conference app with text, sound and video, as easy as irc, cheese
[04:08] <hajour> ok i shall ask him ore he tryed that
[04:09] <hajour> he is in our team for translation
[04:09] <hajour> he have done a lot of work for translation 
[04:10] <Pendulum> cool
[04:11] <hajour> yes and he have al kind of contacts true the translation team in ubuntu-nl (dutch)
[04:12] <hajour> i just want he have a good chance to be active in the speechcontrol to
[04:13] <hajour> and we building a accessibility project
[04:14] <hajour> so it should be weird if there was no accessibility in our team
[04:14] <Pendulum> I would really suggest he look at dasher at least as a short-term solution
[04:14] <Pendulum> I <3 dasher and am happy to help with some of the non-obvious bits
[04:14] <hajour> we gonna try that,if it not works i come back here :P
[04:15] <Pendulum> heh
[04:15] <Pendulum> well, I will not have the time or energy to take it to the IRC council, but that's how it would have to proceed to get teamspeak in an Ubuntu channel
[04:16] <hajour> Pendulum, we need buttons on programs and that sort of things for applications with contrasting colors for people who are colorblind
[04:18] <hajour> i have asked in design but i for advice but i had not get respons
[04:18] <hajour> sorry for my lines
[04:18] <Pendulum> well, some of that is not something Ubuntu can control. Some of that is individual programs
[04:19] <hajour> little tired
[04:19] <Pendulum> otherwise, there are options in compiz to change contrast
[04:19] <Pendulum> AlanBell I think has played around with that more than I have
[04:19] <hajour> yes but i could not help mhall119  true that
[04:19] <Pendulum> charlie-tca probably has as well
[04:20] <hajour> AlanBell, and charlie-tca  dit also not now a solution for the thing from mhall119 
[04:20] <Pendulum> (I don't disagree that it should be easier)
[04:20] <Pendulum> ok
[04:21] <Pendulum> I don't know if the design team will have any better ideas. and unless we're already talking about on Unity, I'm a little reluctant to look at how the regular gnome desktop looks when Unity is about to be the default for everyone
[04:21] <hajour> orca dit crashed UndiFineD  his pc because it couched a log out spontaneously.also after the running
[04:22] <hajour> many times
[04:22] <hajour> we have report the bug
[04:23] <Pendulum> *nods* I saw that you filed a bug about that
[04:23] <hajour> also the sound from orca cant be used on all pc s audio it seems like it anyway
[04:23] <Pendulum> I don't know enough about orca and how it works to know if that's an Ubuntu-specific bug or an upstream bug
[04:25] <hajour> i dont no aether i only report :)
[04:25] <Pendulum> what's the bug number?
[04:25] <Pendulum> :)
[04:25] <hajour> sec i going to look brb
[04:33] <hajour> UndiFineD,  is going to look because i cant find it.but he just is logged out again .stil the results of orca
[04:33] <hajour> so he have to start his pc again
[04:34] <hajour> ok this is him https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=637621
[04:34] <ubot2> Gnome bug 637621 in speech "Orca crashes, logs me out" [Major,Needinfo]
[04:35] <Pendulum> oh, it looks like joanie is looking at stuff! that's useful :)
[04:38] <hajour> yes to solve it hopefully
[04:38] <Pendulum> yeah
[04:38] <Pendulum> joanie's someone I really like and respect
[04:38] <Pendulum> so hopefully she'll figure it out
[04:39] <hajour> because its no fun for him to restart his pc at least 10 times on 1 evening
[04:40] <Pendulum> yeah
[04:42] <hajour> Pendulum, its 5.45 in morning here.i going to sleep now.if you know something ore need me just ping me ore pm.:)
[04:43] <Pendulum> I'm heading to bed shortly myself. good night!
[04:44] <hajour> o and thanks Pendulum 
[04:44] <hajour> good night :)
[16:58] <IdleOne> anybody here ever use Sphinx4, it is a voice recognition program
[16:59] <IdleOne> got a user in #ubuntu who is having some issues with it.
[17:00] <AlanBell> IdleOne: yes
[17:00] <IdleOne> AlanBell: you think you can take a stab at it if you got the time?
[17:00] <IdleOne> user is sherbieny
[17:00] <AlanBell> ok
[17:01] <IdleOne> he is getting the follwing error when running from terminal
[17:01] <IdleOne>  gnome-sound-recorder:12900): GStreamer-CRITICAL **: gst_implements_interface_cast: assertion `gst_element_implements_interface (GST_ELEMENT (from), iface_type)' failed
[17:03] <AlanBell> sherbieny: hi
[17:03] <sherbieny> hey
[17:03] <sherbieny> how r u
[17:03] <AlanBell> #ubuntu makes my head spin, much quieter here!
[17:03] <AlanBell> I have to do some real life stuff feeding kids in a sec, will have more time later
[17:03] <sherbieny> yes its like a reading competition there
[17:03] <IdleOne> sherbieny: good luck with sphinx, hopefully you and AlanBell can get it sorted.
[17:04] <AlanBell> how did you install sphinx?
[17:04] <AlanBell> and what version of ubuntu etc?
[17:04] <AlanBell> I found the accuracy pretty low
[17:05] <sherbieny> IdleOne: thanks for helping I'll come back to you if I didn't sort my mic issue out
[17:07] <sherbieny> AlanBell: Well I installed sphinx4 by downloading the bin and src and extracting them together into sphinx4-1.0beta5
[17:07] <sherbieny> AlanBell: My specs is:
[17:08] <sherbieny> AlanBell: Ubuntu10.10 with windows 7 on Hp Pavillion dv6000
[17:11] <sherbieny> AlanBell: when I enter: cat /proc/asound/card0/codec#* | grep Codec
[17:11] <sherbieny> Codec: Realtek ALC268 Codec: Motorola Si3054 
[17:13] <sherbieny> AlanBell: now My mic is working but not very well first when I run it using the terminal I get this:
[17:14] <sherbieny> (gnome-sound-recorder:13954): GStreamer-CRITICAL **: gst_implements_interface_cast: assertion `gst_element_implements_interface (GST_ELEMENT (from), iface_type)' failed
[17:16] <sherbieny> AlanBell: I don't know the problem I seems to have two internal mics 
[17:17] <sherbieny> still there?
[17:18] <UndiFineD> sherbieny, that is a bug to report
[17:18] <sherbieny> how to report it
[17:18] <UndiFineD> however i get the feeling some of these sound bugs are smp related (more than one cpu)
[17:18] <UndiFineD> it is a gstreamer bug
[17:19] <sherbieny> I'm trying to understand but I don't 
[17:20] <sherbieny> The gnoem-sound-recorder is recording
[17:21] <sherbieny> but when I push record button it doesn't start the timer
[17:22] <sherbieny> AlanBell: A question about sphinx4
[17:23] <UndiFineD> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=GStreamer
[17:26] <AlanBell> back now
[17:27] <sherbieny> AlanBell: How to start a tester or something with WSJ models so that sphinx give me sentences, I read it and sphinx takes what I said and sends me a error percentage report
[17:27] <AlanBell> hmm, I only have sphinx2 installed at the moment
[17:27] <sherbieny> AlanBell: and sphinx2 can do what  just told you
[17:27] <sherbieny> AlanBell: and sphinx2 can do what I just told you
[17:31] <AlanBell> I got one of the WSJ models working with pocketsphinx I think
[17:31] <AlanBell> so you want it to score your pronounciation or something?
[17:33] <AlanBell> http://www.keithv.com/software/sphinx/ this kind of stuff
[17:35] <sherbieny> AlanBell: brb
[17:37] <AlanBell> Pendulum: http://www.keithv.com/software/speechdasher/
[17:37] <AlanBell> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fa7tVUS7yY0&feature=player_embedded
[17:37] <Pendulum> interesting
[17:39] <sherbieny> I'm back
[17:40] <AlanBell> sherbieny: I will try and set up sphinx4 later to reproduce the error you were getting
[17:41] <AlanBell> there is also a #sphinx channel on freenode
[17:41] <sherbieny> AlanBell: yes I want some score or some data and also I want to repeat the experiment but changing frequency or something
[17:41] <sherbieny> AlanBell: no no no no no
[17:41] <AlanBell> I am quite interested in what you are trying to do
[17:42] <sherbieny> AlanBell: sphinx4 has no problem at all 
[17:42] <AlanBell> ok, sorry
[17:42] <sherbieny> AlanBell: I installed it and integrated it with eclipse
[17:43] <sherbieny> AlanBell: the problem is I can't figure out how to use it
[17:43] <sherbieny> AlanBell: I can only use the demos like HelloWorld
[17:44] <sherbieny> AlanBell: but to test the speech engine's accuracy that is the issue
[17:45] <AlanBell> pretty low!
[17:45] <AlanBell> but yes, an objective measure would be good
[17:45] <sherbieny> AlanBell: ofcourse it would very lovely
[17:47] <AlanBell> I think that is what the NIST tools do, I have seen several references to them
[17:47] <sherbieny> AlanBell: I need to get over sphinx to find the next speech engine and test it so that I can start documenting my experiments 
[17:47] <AlanBell> there are some evaluation tools here http://www.itl.nist.gov/iad/mig//tools/
[17:47] <sherbieny> AlanBell: NIST? is it inside sphinx2 or 4 or is it something else
[17:48] <AlanBell> I have no idea how to use them though
[17:48] <AlanBell> it is mentioned in http://www.speech.cs.cmu.edu/sphinx/tutorial.html under word alignment
[17:49] <AlanBell> we have been looking into speech in general over the past week or so
[17:49] <AlanBell> it is not yet as awesome as we would like it to be!
[17:50] <AlanBell> one of the most promising looking things is the simon-listens application which uses the Julius speech recognition engine
[17:50] <sherbieny> no free software is awesome
[17:50] <AlanBell> all free software is awesome
[17:51] <sherbieny> I mean in speech-recognition
[17:51] <AlanBell> but some need additional awesomeness
[17:51] <sherbieny> all the softwares I found is so complicated and has no GUIs
[17:51] <AlanBell> simon-listens is a gui
[17:52] <sherbieny> and its out!!
[17:52] <AlanBell> but yes, the recognition engines are toolkits rather than finished goods
[17:53] <AlanBell> simon-listens is more of a command recognition tool rather than continuous speech recognition
[17:53] <AlanBell> which is much more practical at the moment
[17:53] <sherbieny> and thats the issue no speech recognition tool is complete except the commercial products
[17:53] <sherbieny> like dragon
[17:53] <AlanBell> from what I have seen free text dictation seems to be a number of years away
[17:56] <AlanBell> so what are you looking to do with it in the end?
[17:56] <sherbieny> thats a good question
[17:56] <UndiFineD> I have seen comparison of dns / sphinx / julius / others, dns is marginally better
[17:56] <AlanBell> didn't dragon get discontinued years ago?
[17:57] <UndiFineD> well it is still there and sold
[17:57] <sherbieny> It started as an easy topic for my thesis project 
[17:57] <UndiFineD> do not know of their development
[17:57] <Pendulum> AlanBell: Dragon is still around. I assume you're thinking of ViaVoice which used to work on Linux
[17:58] <AlanBell> Pendulum: probably
[17:58] <sherbieny> I have to make a comparison between speech recognition engines
[17:58] <AlanBell> sherbieny: ok, great where are you doing your degree?
[17:59] <AlanBell> to do a fair comparison I would play each one the same sound file and do some stats on the results
[17:59] <UndiFineD> hajour, is curious an on her way :)
[17:59] <hajour> hai all
[17:59] <AlanBell> probably using something like the news or a radio play as the sound file
[18:00] <AlanBell> hi hajour 
[18:00] <hajour> reading back:)
[18:00] <sherbieny> AlanBell: I'm doing it in german university in egypt
[18:00] <AlanBell> sherbieny: hajour has been looking into speech and pulling together interested people
[18:00] <AlanBell> sherbieny: wow, interesting!
[18:01] <sherbieny> Its my graduation project and I'm running out of time
[18:01] <AlanBell> sherbieny: simon-listens is a german led project, as is openMary
[18:02] <sherbieny> i can't get anyone of them to work so I can start get the data I need for my documentation
[18:02] <AlanBell> other universities with strong research groups in the area are Edinburgh where they develop festival (text to speech) and Carnegie Mellon where Sphinx comes from
[18:03] <sherbieny> Well they are out of my reach now, I hope to find a way to just use sphinx, I don't want to write programs or scripts 
[18:03] <sherbieny> I just want to start something read a sentence and get an error report
[18:04] <sherbieny> and repeat with changing some variables like frequency, amplitude
[18:06] <AlanBell> http://www.itl.nist.gov/iad/mig/tools/index.html
[18:06] <AlanBell> look at the Speech Recognition Scoring Toolkit
[18:06] <sherbieny> and I hope I can do this on other softwares, write reports, finish my thesis and graduate :)
[18:06] <AlanBell> yay \o/
[18:06] <UndiFineD> sherbieny, we have wayward... he produced sonic and announced it on the debian accessibility mailinglist
[18:07] <UndiFineD> sonic can speed and slow voices and alter pitch
[18:07] <UndiFineD> his real name is Bill Cox
[18:07] <hajour> and bedahr from simons listen 
[18:08] <hajour> RainCT from julius
[18:08] <hajour> in our team
[18:09] <UndiFineD> and we still like to hear from TheMuso :P
[18:09] <hajour> so if you ever chance your mind
[18:09] <sherbieny> UndiFineD, what is wayward
[18:09] <hajour> AlanBell, have you let him see the launchpad from speechcontrol team?
[18:10] <UndiFineD> sherbieny, his nick ,his real name is Bill Cox
[18:10] <hajour> his nick is waywardgeek
[18:11] <sherbieny> you lost me guys :D
[18:11] <UndiFineD> no your still here :)
[18:11] <AlanBell> hajour: no, I was answering the questions!
[18:12] <UndiFineD> its ok AlanBell :)
[18:12] <sherbieny> ohh I thought you'r telling me all these info
[18:12] <hajour> https://launchpad.net/~speechcontrolteam
[18:12] <AlanBell> sherbieny: hajour has been leading a focus group looking into the state of the art in Free Software speech recognition and text to speech
[18:12] <sherbieny> hajour, my maaaaan please help
[18:12] <hajour> lol i am a she
[18:13] <sherbieny> ohh, hajour , my womaaaaaan please help
[18:13] <AlanBell> sherbieny: I think I will have a play with some of those scoring toolkit things later
[18:13] <hajour> hehe corection UndiFineD his women hehe
[18:14] <UndiFineD> sherbieny, about sonic, which could help you: http://lists.debian.org/debian-accessibility/2010/12/msg00030.html
[18:14] <AlanBell> right now I don't know how to get a percentage score or anything out of a speech recognition system
[18:14] <hajour> i now it is a lot info
[18:14] <sherbieny> so who's the woman
[18:14] <UndiFineD> hajour
[18:14] <hajour> me
[18:15] <sherbieny> AlanBell, thanks for the effort and see you soon
[18:15] <hajour> its to much for him :P
[18:15] <AlanBell> sherbieny: http://www.keithv.com/pub/baselinewsj/baseline_wsj_recipes.pdf
[18:15] <hajour> hope your problem shall be solved soon
[18:16] <AlanBell> sherbieny: really interested to hear how you get on with it
[18:16] <sherbieny> hajour, do you know how to use sphinx4
[18:16] <hajour> mm again a problem with a voice program
[18:16] <sherbieny> yes
[18:16] <sherbieny> AlanBell, thanks
[18:16] <hajour> we shall look on it sherbieny 
[18:16] <UndiFineD> AlanBell, had it working, i have not got vedics to work yet
[18:17] <hajour> AlanBell, pm?
[18:17] <AlanBell> sure hajour 
[18:17] <UndiFineD> vedics makes use of sphinx4
[18:17] <sherbieny> UndiFineD, no AlanBell got sphinx2 working and not the error reports
[18:18] <UndiFineD> oh yes :)
[18:18] <UndiFineD> I have it installed, but needs config
[18:18] <UndiFineD> which i have not yet looked into
[18:18] <sherbieny> I have it installed to and integrated with eclipse but no use
[18:19] <sherbieny> all i can do is some demo applications
[18:20] <sherbieny> and the manual is impossible
[18:20] <UndiFineD> my at-spi is broken, which i need to fix
[18:20] <UndiFineD> http://paste.ubuntu.com/546044/
[18:21] <AlanBell> sherbieny: http://cmusphinx.sourceforge.net/sphinx4/tests/live/README.html
[18:22] <sherbieny> is this an error log from sphinx4 installation
[18:22] <hajour> sherbieny, sorry but i have to make diner now.else i get angry kids.i think you are in good hands with AlanBell  and UndiFineD .:)
[18:22] <sherbieny> thanks
[18:23] <hajour> np :)
[18:25] <sherbieny> AlanBell, thanks this is the farthest point I reached in my search and I couldn't work it with WSJ
[18:25] <AlanBell> ok
[18:25] <AlanBell> I downloaded the -bin zip file so I don't have that, I will grab the -src version
[18:27] <sherbieny> the src version contains them but when you change the path in config files it get angry and start shouting errors
[18:28] <AlanBell> yeah, Java doesn't do small friendly errors
[20:39] <Pendulum> UndiFineD: is your facebook profile pic you, hajour, and the kids?
[20:40] <UndiFineD> yes
[20:40] <Pendulum> cool :)
[20:41] <UndiFineD> found you :)
[20:41] <Pendulum> I could tell
[20:45] <hajour> ?
[20:46] <hajour> a ok
[20:46] <hajour> its a pic. from 2 years back on his side :P
[20:47] <hajour> but its the only one we all are on
[20:49] <Pendulum> :)
[20:50] <hajour> my oldest daughter is here on ubuntu also now
[20:52] <hajour> but more on ubuntu nl.she find english for now a bit to difficult