[08:17] good morning all! [08:24] hello [08:25] Morning [08:25] oops be right back === jussi01_ is now known as jussi [08:36] ugh, thats twice in as many months the fan vent on my laptop has gotten blocked. [08:37] this time the cpu got to 94 C :\ That has to be close to force shutdown [10:09] good morning everyone ツ [10:40] Morning daker :) [10:40] gah, resolution to get off IRC is always short lived [11:27] nigelb: who would make such a crazy resolution ;) [11:35] duanedesign: lol [12:51] * nigelb hugs popey randomly :p [13:06] Aloha [13:47] heya czajkowski, hey duanedesign, nigelb [13:47] and everyone else :) [13:50] hows folks [14:01] hello dpm :) [14:03] Hey czajkowski and dpm [14:04] Only 4 more doors to my advent calendar. [14:10] jcastro: I got distrowar'd over the weekend about Unit [14:10] *Unity [14:10] distrowarred? [14:10] There was this unconference happening [14:10] and everyone was trying to troll Ubuntu and Unity [14:10] I got backed up by a Debian Developer of all the people :) [14:11] We finally managed to prove that we're trying to do something different and as long as its foss what do you care [14:11] nigelb, oh, nice :| [14:11] nigelb, wouldnt that be distrotrolled? [14:11] Not really trolled. It was not fueled by anger [14:12] It was a fun discussion [14:12] oh ok, didnt sound like it from your description [14:12] And the discussion was not a 'for the heck of it' discussion [14:12] There was a debian BoF, Ubuntu BoF, and fedora BoF :) [14:13] http://www.flickr.com/photos/hiemanshu/sets/72157625637629940/ [14:13] BoF? [14:13] Birds of a Feather [14:13] that still doesnt make sense to me :) [14:14] nisshh: remember your english? [14:14] 'birds of a feather flock together' ? [14:15] nigelb, no, remember im 19 and havent gone to uni and i also nearly failed english in high school, so best not to assume i know stuff like that :) [14:16] nisshh: oops, sorry :) [14:16] nisshh: Don't worry, I'm english and I hate that phrase. [14:16] nigelb, lol, no worries :) [14:16] doctormo, hehe [14:16] It means: "Those from the same class should only work with and marry those in the same class" [14:16] oh ok\ [14:17] that makes complete sense :) [14:17] More tea time! [14:18] nisshh: What did you think of my genetic wallpapers package, have you tried it? [14:18] doctormo, no? [14:19] doctormo, whats the package name, ill try it now (maverick?) [14:19] I'm trying to get more people to test it: http://doctormo.org/2010/12/18/genetic-wallpapers-now-available-to-test/ [14:19] Thanks nisshh :-) [14:20] doctormo, np, interesting project :) [14:20] nisshh: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birds_of_a_Feather_(computing) [14:21] Finally I found the wiki for it *gasp* [14:21] I'm waiting for the first person to spot the christmas tree I put in for dec 25th [14:22] nigelb, hehe [14:24] doctormo, so is this a bit like the electricsheep screensavers, except its for wallpapers? [14:24] Yes, It was Mark's idea. [14:24] doctormo: i really like your blog posts and stuff you did with the wallpapers [14:24] i see [14:24] duanedesign: Fancy making a wallpaper? :-) [14:25] ahhh, perfeect timing you were just discussing it [14:25] I hate it that doctormo's website blocks me access [14:25] Probably vish hates it too [14:25] doctormo: We, the Indian loco community, humbly request you to change providers [14:26] nigelb: It's not my website that blocks you, it's India's ISP policy. [14:26] I doubt [14:26] becaue I can see everyother website [14:26] doctormo: one of the first projects i ever worked on was 'weather wallpaper' not quite as neat as this concept but similar [14:26] this just in: India ISP's dont like doctormo! [14:26] :) [14:26] doctormo: yes i was just brainstorming some ideas [14:27] No it's not about India not liking me, it's about India not liking residential IP addresses. [14:27] probably that too ;) [14:27] duanedesign: I was thinking if we could get a nice simple landscape and make the clouds randomly position themselves. [14:28] nigelb: Can you see leftyfb's blog (Mike Rushton) on the planet? [14:28] I can see you on the plat [14:28] planet [14:29] just not directly [14:31] nigelb: No I mean if you click on his blog, what does it do? [14:32] doctormo: err, linky? [14:32] *sigh* I was pointing you to where the link was. [14:33] right [14:33] okay [14:33] planet [14:33] http://leftyfb.com/ [14:34] doctormo: similar [14:34] doctormo, the wallpaper is working well so far :) [14:37] doctormo: had to proxy in to see your website. #AgeekCannotBeStopped [14:40] http://xkcd.com/705/ [14:40] haha [14:40] we had a guy at the unconference with the sudo make me a sandwch T-shirt [14:41] I wanted to go with the 'stand back, I know regular expressions' one ;) [14:44] Science, it works bitches! [14:44] hehe [15:09] doctormo: so if i create a wallpaper with the proper id= blob1-7 it should plug in fairly easy [15:11] sorry that was a question. not sure why i have such an aversion to question marks :P [15:11] duanedesign: So long as the parent group has the right id then all the children can be called anything [15:11] ahhh [15:14] nigelb: I never get distro trolled [15:16] jcastro: BUt you get worse :( [15:17] yeah but I can flame worse too [15:17] * jcastro shakes fist at CoC [15:17] I asked for an exception to allow me to kill people at my discretion [15:17] but no one liked that idea. :( [15:18] jcastro: I'd +1 any day :p [15:21] jcastro: I don't have flaming skills. I had to reason it out. Harder. [15:21] jcastro: do what one guy did, he unsigned the CoC, flamed, then re-signed it [15:21] lol [15:22] haha [15:23] popey: If *cough* tabloid *cough* heard of this it would go "CC member say flaming is okay if you unsign the CoC and sign it later" :P [15:23] popey: really? no way [15:23] hah [15:23] nah nigelb I know where he lives [15:23] "CC member threatens community with violence to shut them up" [15:25] haha [15:25] I don't get how/when people get in situations inside ubuntu where they need to flame [15:25] Inside, I've hardly found trolling. [15:25] like, I can understand when dealing with other people outside the community [15:25] jcastro: thats because you suck [15:25] etc [15:25] but like I've never felt the need to like, yell at popey [15:26] not until after you hang up? [15:26] thing is though we have roughly equal moral / philosophical compases [15:26] in that they generally point the same way [15:27] whereas there are some in the community who are vheremently for/against issues and can't see how anyone could have an opposing view [15:27] +1 [15:28] Also people who don't troll tend to see both sides. [15:28] i.e. the for/against and agree to accept reasoned arguments [15:28] If someone isn't willing to respect reasoned arguments, well, then its time to stop talking. [15:28] there's also the fact that many of us have a healthy respect for the freedom of others to hold different opinions === JanC_ is now known as JanC [15:29] That's true too. [15:35] Anyone have an idea for Myth Busted #7 ? [15:36] paultag is awesome? [15:36] hahaha, couldn't help it [15:37] hahaha [15:37] jcastro: how's life in that swamp called michigan ? [15:37] michigan's a swamp too? [15:38] maco: duh ;) [15:42] lol http://twitter.com/#!/dibiconf/statuses/16819245404913664 [15:43] hahahaha, it's drunk as hell ;) [15:45] is it just me or has gmail been letting in too much spam lately [15:45] mine is just slow [15:46] nigelb: I've always got a bit, but 90% of my spam comes from mailing lists [15:46] nigelb: so watch for that [15:46] hrm, I found at least 4 spam, all of them the pharmaceutical type and not from mailing lists [15:46] ha! [15:46] I've had a couple bits of spam recently, but not a huge number [15:47] nigelb: just do what I do, have a series of email addresses. my @ubuntu and @gmail marks * as read coming in. I have another address that puts it in the inbox unread [15:47] (that's not counting the amount of junk I get for people who have given out the wrong e-mail address to things like their ISP) [15:47] and it's a sekrit [15:48] Pendulum: 4 spam in gmail is big, especially since they make videos about their excellent spam filter [15:48] nigelb: yeah, I'm talking about maybe 2 bits in the past 4 months. all long lost relatives I didn't know I had who have apparently died leaving me an inheritance ;) [15:49] Pendulum: heh [16:10] Talking of arguments, I find that reasoning out issues is hard work and it can really only be done by two opposing factions which are willing to admit they're both wrong. [16:11] But there is a lot of people who just don't want to put the work in, so they avoid conflict. [16:11] And it festers instead. [16:14] howdy there doctormo [16:15] hey paultag, you need ideas for your myth busting? [16:15] doctormo: yeah [16:18] paultag: About QA perhaps? [16:19] or the 6-month cadence [16:19] there's not much there to debate [16:20] people say we don't do enough QA and 6 months is impossible? [16:20] I mean, we've shown it's not impossible, and we don't do enough QA. It's not absurd to say that Ubuntu picks new features over stability [16:20] :D [16:21] our boot splash broke every intel video card for 6 months [16:21] I mean, really. [16:22] really? [16:22] mine didn't [16:22] *cough* mine did *cough* [16:22] jcastro: there's a race condition for the initrd + bootsplash for intel chipsets [16:22] jcastro: for lucid [16:22] dang [16:23] nigelb: mine did too, man [16:23] I just switched that box to Debian [16:23] paultag: heh, I switched to Debian too at that point [16:23] what's worse about that is that it was Lucid so it was the LTS :-/ [16:23] +100 there Pendulum [16:24] all my splashes worked in lucid on intel [16:24] we had *so* many changes [16:24] it should have just been 9.04 + patches [16:24] paultag: does that explain why one of my computers sometimes shows plymouth and then just stops? [16:24] I'm getting nervous about the accessibility testing for Unity [16:24] maco: does it hang or complete boot? [16:25] none of the accessibility-related things got done for Alpha 1 [16:25] paultag: it hangs after plymouth. most reports said stuff hung *before* plymouth [16:25] Pendulum: oh dear. [16:25] maco: it sounds like the issue [16:25] maco: is 10.10 free? [16:25] paultag: havent upgraded. no bandwidth. [16:26] (and no optical drive that works) [16:26] maco: It sounds like it to me [16:27] maco: but I don't know all the ins and outs [16:27] jcastro: dunno, man. It's finkiy [16:27] jcastro: I spend most of that cycle telling people to downgrade when they came in with issues [16:27] I don't disagree that we need more testing and QA, I'm just surprised to hear about intel video on lucid [16:27] jcastro: is it bad that i think devel releases work better than stable releases? [16:27] jcastro: dude, the kernel team has tons of reports on it [16:28] dang [16:28] jcastro: it hit my netbook and almost knocked me out a cycle [16:28] ouch [16:28] jcastro: any report that mentions the GLib warning? that was probably it [16:28] because the GLib warning was *not* causing any problems. however, it was *only* visible when boot failed [16:28] (otherwise plymouth then gdm covers it) [16:30] maco: lame [16:30] maco: have you filed a bug on it? [16:30] paultag: the GLib warning is gone now. was fixed a few weeks back [16:31] the reports then got people complaining that the boot still fails even though they claim its fixed...and the answer is "the glib warning IS fixed! now how about you report your actual issue" [16:31] haha, aye. That's usually the case with kernel stuff [16:31] lol [16:34] I blame jfo [16:34] lol [16:35] dammit he's not here for a retort [16:35] i think if i phone him and said "jcastro blames you" he'd say "blames me? aw now what? what i do?" [16:36] then he'll be like "wanna watch some NASCAR?" [16:36] maco: did you start watching Modern Family yet? [16:37] jcastro: no, i still have neither a tv nor a streaming-capable network connection [16:37] My computer broke for lucid and maverick, lucid stopped being able to suspend... fixed after 3 months. Maverick failed to boot at all, couldn't see the motherboard pci, had to use lucid kernel. ongoing issue. [16:37] We have serious quality control issues [16:37] feisty and hardy are my fave releases [16:37] Karmic was mine [16:38] sorry, make that feisty-two-weeks-after-release [16:38] because it released with a regression but a fix was quickly SRUd [16:38] 9.10 ftw [16:38] the white logo on black was HOT [16:38] ugh no [16:39] that was the first time i thought ubuntu's brown was *bad* [16:39] oh man, how could you! [16:39] * czajkowski pokes paultag [16:39] the gdm theme? ugh [16:39] czajkowski: howdy! [16:39] maco: much better then 8* or 7* [16:39] it was a pretty crappy gradient too... like ripples instead of smooth [16:39] im going to start a new trend in this channel! [16:40] oh no no 8.04 was *beautiful* [16:40] bollocks [16:40] 9* was perfect [16:40] well 8.04a5 was more beautiful than final, but... [16:40] since everyone is saying howdy all the time, im going to say "gday mate!" all the time :) [16:40] nisshh: do it! :) [16:40] we need an australian touch in here [16:40] nisshh: are you an Oz? [16:40] yeah [16:41] whoever subdued the colours in hardy's wallpaper makes me unhappy [16:41] G'day nisshh [16:41] streuth! you didnt know that!? [16:41] troy's version was very nice [16:41] AlanBell, :) [16:41] nisshh: never noticed. I love the beached whale thing from Oz, "I'm beached bru!" [16:41] paultag, yeah lol [16:41] good on ya [16:42] yo jcastro, since I switched to tumblr, I have got over 500 followers on tumblr [16:42] paultag, notice i said "streuth!" before, thats also australian :) [16:42] I don't get following on tumblr [16:42] jcastro: it lets people use it as a feed reader for cool blogs [16:42] jcastro: so you hit +follow, and they come up on your home page [16:43] yeah, that's dumb [16:43] I hate that [16:43] jcastro: why, u jelly ? [16:43] because if I decline someone they think "oh what a jerk, he doesn't follow me", but I don't want things cluttering up my admin interface thing where I post posts [16:44] jcastro: dude, it's not an insult [16:44] jcastro: you don't have to follow anyone [16:47] the point really is just "500 people love my stuff" [16:47] and me bragging [16:47] that's nice [16:47] that's 499 than most ohioans [16:48] heyo! [16:48] jcastro: I'm in Boston right now. It feels right again. [16:50] paultag: enjoying the escape from Ohio then? ;-) [16:50] Pendulum: yuppers! [16:50] Pendulum: It's nice, actually. Good to be back home for a while [16:50] I miss my friends lots, but it's OK. [16:50] paultag: do you have snow up there? [16:51] Pendulum: Ohio? Heck yeah. Boston? Nopersd [16:51] nopers * [16:51] paultag: I meant Boston. None here either. It's kinda depressing :( [16:51] we have 5 days :) [16:52] shoot I need to get something for my sister [16:52] what should I get for her? [16:53] Pendulum, your depressed about no snow? we *never* get snow in australia! never! :) [16:54] paultag: jewelry? [16:54] ive never even seen it with my own eyes! [16:54] nisshh: we normally have snow here by Christmas. The lack thereof makes it not feel christmassy [16:54] Pendulum, true :) [16:54] its currently 24 C here [16:55] nice and warm for 1am :) [16:55] hah, aussies celebrate christmas in summer ;p [16:58] yeah [16:58] Pendulum: hummm. Her hair-dryer just broke. Is that socially acceptable? [16:58] nigelb, it means i get to swim in my pool on christmas day :) [16:59] * paultag shakes fist at nisshh [16:59] kidding, I love the snow [16:59] paultag: sure [16:59] humm. Might do that, then [17:00] paultag, hehe [17:01] BBL, I need to shop somewhere [17:02] one love [17:06] hey all [17:08] jono, gday! :) [17:13] paultag: i asked my dad's gf for a printer cartridge for xmas... [17:13] have a great day everyone, see you all tomorrow! [17:19] heya nisshh :-) [17:19] hows tings? [17:20] jono, really excellent at the moment :) [17:20] nisshh, :-) [17:20] jono, how about you? [17:21] nisshh, doing great thanks :) [17:21] :) [17:49] * nisshh is watching The Social Network <- excellent movie, everyone should watch this [17:50] nisshh: Keep an eye on the computers. You'll see KDE a few times [18:03] nhandler, yeah, and he was talking about wget, perl, etc :) [18:03] pretty sweet to have such a geeky movie :) [18:03] nisshh: Yep. I caught those references ;) [18:03] nhandler, it looks like kde 3.x too :) [18:04] blue plasticky theme [18:04] from the part i have watched so far its very well made [18:16] heya vish [18:17] o/ [18:17] what's it take to do a bugbot like that? [18:18] we already have a similar bugbot running for all new bugs , we would need a specific one and one the the bot masters might know.. [18:18] bot wranglers rather, as they prefer ;p [18:19] jcastro: i think hggdh runs that bot on #ubuntu-bugs-announce [18:19] we could ask him for a Unity specific one … [18:20] jcastro: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Hggdh/EeeBotu [18:21] oh nice, I'll ask him about it [18:21] As long as there is a page to scrape or a feed to parse, such a bot is rather trivial to make [18:21] Hosting is the hardest part [18:22] well if he has one already maybe I can just pile on [18:25] * hggdh has noticed his name was used [18:25] jcastro: ask away, sir [18:25] hggdh: oh didn't see you in here, asked you on -bugs [18:26] heh [18:26] but you can answer here! [18:27] jcastro: OK. The bot was written by Mike Rooney some years ago (replacing seveas', when he turned his bots down) [18:27] it is a generic bot, and just feeds off the RRS for all bugs [18:27] ok so how can we add it? [18:27] we could change it easily to feed off specific RSSs [18:28] like what you want [18:28] jcastro: which channel would use it? [18:29] hggdh: I was thinking creating #ayatana-bugs? [18:29] BTW it was our intention, at the time, to make it a more generic bot and forward different b ugs to different channels. But we never got there... [18:29] jcastro: cool [18:30] nhandler: you know how to handle all that channel registration stuff right? [18:30] jcastro: I should hope so ;) [18:30] jcastro: I will add it in to #ayatana-bugs -- give me a bit to code it in & test a bit [18:30] jcastro: then you can either run it yourself, or I can add it in my server [18:30] hggdh: awesome, no rush either, just an idea vish pointed it out [18:31] jcastro: Did you want me to register the channel? [18:31] hggdh: I am cloud now, no servers at all in my care, so if you could host it I would <3 beer you [18:31] nhandler: yes please [18:31] lol! "would <3 beer you" !! [18:32] jcastro: deal! [18:32] * hggdh sells out easily for a good beer [18:32] there's nothing in this world that can't be accomplished when you promise either beer, wine, coffee, or tobacco. [18:33] LOL [18:33] I feel like an imperialist! [18:34] jcastro: you are [18:34] hggdh: do you happen to have a mail server running by any chance? same deal ツ [18:35] vish: no, no mail server, Verizon gets unhappy with it :-( [18:35] aw.. :( [18:38] jcastro: unity/compiz/ayatana upstream, UBuntu, or both? [18:39] upstream please [18:39] ack [18:47] maco: dude, printer cartrage? That's like a dimond ring! [18:47] maco: I hope they've been dating for at least two years before you ask for that sort of high-end stuff [18:48] paultag: haha theyve been together a decade. last year she got me a Coach purse [18:48] what thehell am i gonna do with a Coach purse? [18:48] maco: I say the same sort of stuff every year. I don't think people get I don't really care for "stuff" [18:48] it couldnt even hold my phone and wallet simultaneously! let alone a camera and ogg player too. And nevermind my laptop... [18:49] maco: dang, I know. [18:49] I_HATE_SNOW [18:49] czajkowski: how dare you! [18:49] It just started snowing, and I LOVE it [18:49] Oh yeah, Pendulum, it's snowing! [18:50] paultag: youre gonna make her jealous [18:50] :) [18:50] jono: 10 minutes? [18:52] czajkowski: sorry to hear you're still stuck :( [18:54] yeah, much love there czajkowski [18:55] jcastro, yup [18:58] feck the cider bring on the JD [18:58] :P [19:00] jono: 2 ticks, gotta reboot that machine [19:00] jcastro, np [19:01] Does anyone here know the X11 server spec well? [19:02] jono: all set! [19:02] \m/ >_< \m/ [19:03] jcastro, ok one sec [19:10] Hi all [19:10] Hey Technoviking [20:39] <-- caffeine refill, bbi 10 min [20:56] popey: around? [20:58] http://ubuntuaddict.com/ [20:59] so what do we about sites like this, is this a trademarks thing we send to the email address or CC? [20:59] (this is the first time I've run into a site like this) [21:13] jcastro: don't think it is :) [21:15] however it is a trademarks thing which is held by Canonical, not the CC. There is a form to use to report it which I am assured does not go to /dev/null, but don't expect much more than if it did [21:17] ah [21:46] jono: my report ended up cooler this week than I anticipated [21:46] jono: mind if I run it early? (aka now) [21:47] jcastro, let's roll! :-) [21:47] I will promote it [21:47] yep I just need one bug reference [21:47] jono: I also added some "other unity news" bits with some screenshots and whatnot [21:47]