[07:55] <Zdra> hello, is it possible to fallback to normal desktop on natty?
[07:59] <Zdra> ah, starting metacity, gnome-panel and kill unity seems to work
[08:00] <Zdra> is there a setting to do that?
[08:02] <fta> Zdra, you have a small menu at the center of the bottom panel in gdm; select Classic
[08:03] <fta> there's also a pref (System / Admin / Login Screen)
[08:03] <Zdra> fta, cool let me test that :)
[08:56] <Zdra> hm, on natty there is a tab missing in the appearance dialog, how can I tell to not use compiz but use metacity instead?
[12:23] <TeTeT> hi, anyone has a pointer for me why my natty desktop does not work after login any longer? I get asked for my keyring passphrase and then it's waiting forever. X is fine so far, I can start a separate X server and it works
[12:31] <geser> TeTeT: Classic Desktop or Unity one?
[12:33] <TeTeT> geser: Unity
[12:41] <xclaesse> is it known that nm-applet is segfaulting at startup in natty?
[13:00] <cyphermox> xclaesse, depends. I don't see it segfault here. are you fully up to date?
[13:00] <cyphermox> xclaesse, don't hesitate to open a bug, if you have the number I'll take a look
[13:02] <xclaesse> cyphermox, I installed yesterday from daily
[13:02] <xclaesse> and I'm up to date now, yes
[13:03] <xclaesse> #0  0x000000000042dd4e in ?? ()
[13:03] <xclaesse> #1  0x000000000041bc83 in status_icon_activate_cb ()
[13:03] <cyphermox> heh.
[13:03] <xclaesse> how, I see that coming, ubuntu badly patched it for indicator that I'm not using
[13:04] <cyphermox> xclaesse, can you report a bug? it should mostly do it by itself when apport gets triggers when nm-applet crashes?
[13:04] <xclaesse> hm, no, even with indicator applet, still crash
[13:04] <xclaesse> cyphermox, apport does not start it seems
[13:05] <cyphermox> xclaesse, check if you have files in /var/crash
[13:05] <xclaesse> that dir does not even exist :/
[13:07] <cyphermox> it systematically crashes every time you start it?
[13:08] <cyphermox> or maybe send me the core file if it crashes when started from the command line and you get one?
[13:10] <xclaesse> cyphermox, ok got one
[13:10] <cyphermox> great
[13:10] <cyphermox> can you send this to me by email? how big is it?
[13:12] <xclaesse> cyphermox, http://people.collabora.co.uk/~xclaesse/core
[13:14] <xclaesse> could someone upload libfolks 0.3.3 to natty? it is in debian exp :)
[13:25] <sense> I was wondering: 'metacity --replace' replaces Compiz (if that is the active wm), and 'compiz --replace' replaces Metacity if that is the active wm). But what about 'gnome-panel --replace', now Compiz-plugin Unity provides a panel? (And vice-versa.) Shouldn't the --replace things do something there, or do they already do something?
[14:38] <cyphermox> xclaesse, still there?
[14:40] <nessita> mvo: ping
[14:41] <mvo> hey nessita
[14:42] <nessita> mvo: hi there! can I ask you an aptdaemon question?
[14:43] <mvo> nessita: sure
[14:44] <nessita> mvo: how can I "programatically" check if a package is installed?
[14:45] <nessita> I've seen from the doc that I can install a package using aptdaemon.client.AptClient().install_packages, but even if the package is installed I get the gksudo gtk screen, and I need to raise that window only if a package is not installed
[14:47] <mvo> nessita: the best way to do this is "cache=apt.Cache(); if pkg in cache and cache[pkg].is_installed: do_something()"
[14:47] <mvo> nessita: the aptdaemon is (unlikey e.g. packagekit) only concerned with stuff that needs superuser
[14:47] <nessita> mvo: awesome, thanks!
[14:47] <mvo> nessita: just querying state (or even simulating install/removal etc) can all done in the cache
[14:48] <nessita> mvo: what do you mean with simulating install/removal?
[14:48] <mvo> nessita: pydoc apt ; pydoc apt.Cache" should have some useful info, if you need anything specific, I will be happy to help
[14:48] <mvo> nessita: just call cache[pkg].mark_install()
[14:48] <mvo> nessita: and then cache.get_changes()
[14:48] <nessita> ah, I understand
[14:49] <mvo> nessita: that will give you a list of apt.Package objects that changed, you can then query the state with "pkg.marked_install", pkg.marked_delete
[14:49] <mvo> marked_upgrade
[14:49] <mvo> etc
[14:49] <nessita> right, and in that case call aptdaemon?
[14:50] <mvo> yes, if "is_installed" is all you need to know then that is enough, no need to run mark_install()
[14:50] <mvo> if you are interessted in the changes that it would trigger, then the later is the better option
[14:52] <hallyn> is xscreensaver expected to lock up in unity right now?
[14:55] <Amaranth> expected? no, probably not
[14:56] <Amaranth> I doubt anyone has even tried it
[16:19] <nessita> mvo: hey, are you available for another aptdaemon question?
[16:26] <xclaesse> cyphermox, pong
[16:59] <mvo> nessita: aptdaemon questions, please ask! sorry for the delay, I was in a conf call
[17:25] <nessita> mvo: hey! I was having lunch, I hope you're still around. Not sure what step I'm missing since I'm getting: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/545995/
[17:25] <nessita> mvo: in that paste, client is a aptdaemon.client.AptClient()
[17:38] <devildante> nessita: it sounds like the aptdaemon dbus service file is not present on your system
[17:39] <nessita> devildante: yeah, which is very odd
[17:39] <devildante> nessita: did you check if it's present?
[17:40] <nessita> devildante: using d-feet I've got no services running on :1.112
[17:40] <nessita> only :1.11 and :1.114
[17:40] <devildante> nessita: isn't the whole point of dbus to start services only when it's needed?
[17:41] <nessita> yes, as far as I know
[17:41] <mvo> nessita: hm, odd, I just tested this http://paste.ubuntu.com/546023/ on maverick and natty and its fine for me
[17:41] <nessita> mvo: I'll re test
[17:41] <nessita> mvo: it worked now...
[17:42] <nessita> no idea what happened before. Thanks!
[17:42] <nessita> devildante: thanks to you too
[17:42] <devildante> nessita: np ;)
[17:42] <devildante> mvo: hello btw :)
[17:43] <mvo> hey devildante
[17:43] <mvo> nessita: hm, maybe it crashed? anyhting in /var/crash ?
[17:44]  * nessita looks
[17:44] <nessita> /var/crash is empty
[17:44]  * mvo scratches head
[17:47] <nessita> mvo: when  I tested this I didn't run any mainloop
[17:47] <nessita> maybe that was the cause?
[17:47] <mvo> nessita: indeed, that sounds plausible
[17:47] <mvo> nessita: sorry for not mentioning this, there are gtk widget available btw if you need to show progress etc
[17:48] <nessita> mvo: yes, I've seen it in the rythmobox u1 plugin :-)
[17:48] <nessita> thanks!
[17:49] <mvo> cheers!
[18:26] <Shred00> if i have a bzr checkout of http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/evolution/ubuntu/ i assume i won't see any changes that were made for a maverick-proposed evolution until it's accepted into maverick-updates, is that correct?