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icarus_Cool where is that at?00:00
pleia2Hilton hotel at/near LAX00:00
icarus_ah never heard of that convention00:01
pleia2it's one of the biggest linux confernces on the west coast, I have never been but the team has had a booth there for the past few years00:01
icarus_What do you do at the booth? Just hand out flyers and stuff?00:02
pleia2flyers, CDs, and give demos with laptops and things we bring along00:03
pleia2our page from last year has a list of all the stuff the team had https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/Scale8x00:04
pleia2it's a linux conference so people know what Ubuntu is :) but it's a nice opportunity to meet people and give them updates about the project and stuff00:04
icarus_Sounds interesting00:05
icarus_It's just that ever convention I have been to has been trying to sell somthing00:06
pleia2this isn't a vendor conference, it's all about learning00:07
pleia2so the tracks are for beginners, sysadmins, other linux enthisiasts, there may be some vendor booths but there are also booths for our team, and for some linux-y non-profits00:08
icarus_Ah00:10
icarus_sounds very geeky I am in.00:11
pleia2great :)00:12
pleia2have you signed up for our mailing list?00:13
pleia2in addition to our bi-weekly meetings here, we'll send updates to the mailing list too about our progress in planning00:13
icarus_oh ok00:14
icarus_I am not on it yet I just wanted to chat in the IRC a bit00:14
icarus_to see what it was about00:14
pleia2ok cool :)00:15
icarus_So whats your Linux background?00:17
pleia2I've been using it since early 2002, work as a debian sysadmin these days00:18
pleia2you?00:18
icarus_I am about the same. I was bored in a windows networking class and a teacher gave Linux to keep me busy00:20
pleia2my boyfriend introduced me too it, gave me a redhat system with enlightenment and left me alone (no icons! no start menu! but I did ok :))00:22
icarus_I am kinda the Linux guy in my department at work. We have these nodes that run of slax PXE I basicly just admin them00:22
pleia2s/too/to00:22
icarus_lol00:22
icarus_Madrake was the first one I used00:22
pleia2I switched to debian pretty quickly, tried gentoo for about 6 months, now all ubuntu and debian for me00:23
icarus_for some reason gentoo would never install on my laptop00:23
akkGentoo is tricky to install.00:23
pleia2I've had trouble with gentoo on older hardware, but I really haven't touched it at all since 2004ish00:23
icarus_It was somthing with the Ati drivers00:23
icarus_I was on slackware for like 2 years00:24
icarus_But then I tried ubuntu and apt-get was like a god send to me.00:27
icarus_You mean I don't have to compile everything from source.00:28
icarus_or hunt for a compatiable tgz00:28
pleia2yeah00:28
pleia2as much as I enjoy hacking away at things, it is nice when things work so I can work on more interesting things than keeping my computer running properly00:29
icarus_exactly00:31
icarus_But using slackware gave great troubleshooting skills.00:33
icarus_Well it was nice meeting you, thank you for the info I have added myself to the mailing list. I have to get going now.00:37
icarus_bye00:37
pleia2meeting in 10 minutes :)02:50
* dragon will be in a little late02:56
grantbowpleia2: is that your clone speaking or is it really you :-)02:58
pleia2me!02:59
pleia2hrm, we want to go see tron-l tonight but now it's raining like crazy02:59
grantbowafk a sec, ordering a salad02:59
epsOh look, our next meeting is two weeks ago (according to the topic).02:59
pleia2umbrellas++02:59
pleia2eps: you could just say it needs to be updated :)02:59
epsIt _just now_ started raining heavily where I am. :-(03:00
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pleia2ok, meeting time!03:00
epsMuch mo' bettah.03:00
pleia2jdeslip and DarkwingDuck couldn't make it because they ended up having other obligations tonight03:00
pleia2so who all is here for the meeting?03:01
* eps raises his hand cautiously03:01
pleia2ok, our agenda is here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/10December1903:01
jyoo/03:02
jtatumi/03:02
pleia2first up, any announcements?03:02
pleia2http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-california shows that we have a lindependence hour coming up on the 29th03:02
pleia2erichammond has done a good job getting things rolling for SCaLE in Feburary, we now have a wiki page and a discount code: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/Scale9x03:03
pleia2we'll probably firm up SCaLE plans in the next few weeks03:03
akko/03:04
pleia2ok, on to the agenda03:04
pleia2[topic] Website Updates03:05
pleia2I made some changes this week and I think we're ready to launch the basic site :)03:05
pleia2to view the demo site, edit your /etc/hosts file and put this at the end:03:05
pleia2207.192.72.66 ubuntu-california.org03:06
pleia2we pretty much took the text from the wiki and fleshed out a very basic home page, and in the top we link to all our current resources03:06
pleia2once we get a photo gallery, planet, etc, we'll add the links, but I think we're ready with the basics03:06
grantbow\o/03:07
pleia2regarding the planet (blog aggregation), I spoke with dragon and we're going to be just going with some basic Venus software on the linode so jtatum and I will look into that in the coming weeks03:07
akkLooks nice!03:07
pleia2no update for photos, we don't have a google apps option for that so our options right now seem like: gallery2, picasaweb, flickr03:08
pleia2maybe we should bring this discussion to the list?03:08
pleia2this discussion == photo options03:08
grantbowsounds good03:08
akk+1 for discussing on ML03:08
pleia2ok, I'll send an email out (if not tonight, tomorrow)03:09
akkUnless anyone has any strong opinions right now, anyway.03:09
pleia2well, that's it for website updates :)03:10
pleia2I think I'll nudge erichammond tomorrow to update DNS so we can go live03:10
jtatumexcellent03:10
jtatumthanks for keeping up the momentum pleia2!03:11
pleia2currently grantbow, jtatum and myself have access to wordpress, if others are interested in participating please let me know03:11
pleia2sure thing :)03:11
pleia2[topic] More t-shirts?03:11
grantbowI'll talk to you about wordpress later03:11
pleia2grantbow: ok03:11
pleia2so, we are almost out of team t-shirts, we have some 2XLs and a few women's sizes left, but we need to order more, we're out of the sizes people actually want03:12
pleia2grantbow contacted our previous supplier but he's quite busy, so not an option this time around03:12
pleia2Jono recommended steadfastprinting.com in Oakland03:12
pleia2today on the mailing list Christian said he knows the owner of greenerpromotions.net in San Francisco and offered to get us a quote03:13
pleia2anyone have other contacts?03:13
pleia2I'm thinking we get a few quotes and then go from there (I'm probably bankrolling this, and will accept donations to help, so let me know if you want to pitch in)03:15
pleia2that's all we've got agenda-wise tonight03:16
epsAre there any print-on-demand services worth considering?03:16
grantboweps: suggestions?03:16
epsCafePress et al.03:17
pleia2I've never bought from zazzle or cafepress, so I don't have any suggestions03:17
pleia2they are considerably more expensive (at least 3 times more than buying in bulk of 50-100 shirts)03:17
epsDon't get me wrong - I'm a huge fan of traditional printing - but I'm concerned we aren't going to be able to put together an order large enough to get a good price.03:17
grantbowcafe press was fairly expensive03:18
grantbowhaven03:18
pleia2I think zazzle is something like $20/shirt03:18
akkI've always heard bad things about cafepress's quality.03:18
akkThat they're okay if you really need a one-off but not something you'd use for a bulk run where you have a choice.03:18
pleia2I figure we'll put in an order of 50 shirts, and at local shops we can get that for about $8/shirt03:18
pleia2but we should get quotes to be more precise :)03:18
epsMy experience with t-shirts -- granted, this was a *long* time ago -- was that you generally needed to order at least 8 dozen to make it worthwhile.03:19
pleia2jono said he ordered 50 for severed fifth for about $40003:19
pleia2so maybe we get some estimates, and then compare them to the on-demand printing services?03:20
epsSet-up charges dominate on small runs.03:20
pleia2ok, any other meeting things to talk about?03:22
epsWith screen printing, you need to decide if you want something that will survive multiple washings and exposure to sunlight.03:23
pleia2jono seemed pretty happy with steadfast, and we can ask christian about the quality of greenrpromotions03:23
eps(i.e. are you dyeing the fabric vs. having something sitting on top that will flake off)03:24
pleia2seems like the current ones have something sitting on top, but I haven't noticed any flaking yet03:25
pleia2ok, if no one has anything else I think we wrap this up :)03:28
pleia2thanks for coming03:29
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grantbow-aAndchat with sasl, whee03:35
grantbow-aSorry, lost power and Internet here03:35
grantbow-aI will read the log later, ttyl03:36
dragona 30-minute meeting?03:43
pleia2yep03:43
dragonI was hoping to attend a tiny bit of it, but still yay for short meetings!03:43
pleia2I think a lot of people are doing holiday-stuffs, but it was good to have it to keep some stuff rolling03:43
dragonI agree!03:44
akkGreat to hear the update on the website, if nothing else!03:48
akkThanks for doing that.03:48
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pleia2ok, off to movies :)04:09
akkHave fun!04:13
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wjimenez5271Hello06:36
erichammondDNS has been configured: http://ubuntu-california.org07:37
kdub_wat up all07:52
pleia2erichammond: woohoo, thank you!08:02
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iheartubuntupleia2 - does zareason have any other stores or buildings in other states?20:49
pleia2iheartubuntu: not yet, but they have plans20:49
iheartubuntuim considering a new laptop soon and its them or sys76, which is out of state.20:49
iheartubuntuid like to avoid taxes :)20:49
iheartubuntubut zr has a shop i could walk into and check their computers?20:50
pleia2if a company has any presence in a state you pay taxes, so even if zareason had a texas office and you ordered from there since they have a location in cali you'd pay taxes20:50
pleia2you'd have to schedule an appointment with them so someone is there to show you around, but yes you can visit :)20:51
iheartubuntui might just have a relative in another state order it for me, then ship it to me.20:51
sn9you can still do that20:51
iheartubuntuto avoid the taxes20:52
akkIs double shipping that much cheaper than taxes? Guess it depends on how expensive the 'puter is.20:52
iheartubuntuif ZR isnt in AZ id be OK20:53
sn9it's not in AZ20:53
iheartubuntu$1000 comp puts me at $100 in taxes already.20:53
iheartubuntugetting hit good with rain here in SoCal!20:54
iheartubuntuIm worried about my crops20:54
iheartubuntuIve never had this much rain20:54
pleia2it's been rainy here too20:54
iheartubuntumy lettuce and salad greens seem to be OK still. worried about strawberries and garlic. i dont want the garlic to get mushy and useless20:55
iheartubuntupleia2 is a Belle fan???20:56
pleia2disney in general20:56
iheartubuntudid you see Tangled?20:56
pleia2yep :)20:56
iheartubuntugreat movie. i think best since beauty and the beast!20:56
pleia2I don't know about that, but I did quite enjoy it20:56
iheartubuntui'd even say they are equal20:56
iheartubuntuthe singing in the bar was great20:57
pleia2haha, yeah20:57
iheartubuntulike an ubuntu get together20:57
iheartubuntudoes anyone know of vmdk or vdi of the new google chrome os?20:58
pleia2I'll probably pick up the soundtrack, have to snag tron legacy soundtrack too20:58
* pleia2 has piiiiles of disney soundtracks20:58
iheartubuntuwas tron any good?20:58
akkOh, how was tron, pleia2?20:59
pleia2I thought so, but I loved the original too20:59
pleia2I can't offer a critical review, I am too full of dorky glee :)20:59
akk:D21:00
iheartubuntui dont even remember the original :|21:00
pleia2I watched it on saturday before seeing the movie on sunday21:06
pleia2unfortunately I also learned that day that you can't buy the original right now (unless you spend $100+ on ebay)21:06
pleia2so if anyone wants to see it, tron party at pleia2's!21:07
iheartubuntuyou cant buy it? what a scam!21:08
pleia2it's back in the disney vault21:08
iheartubuntui have the beauty and the beast dvd, and then that went out of circulation for a # of years too21:08
akkThere's probably some torrent where you can illegally download it.21:09
pleia2yeah, that's how disney does their releases, they release for a couple of years then put it back in the "vault" and release it a few years later21:09
iheartubuntuso chromeOS does not use ubuntu anymore?21:12
pleia2did it ever?21:12
pleia2it's linux and canonical blogged about helping, but I don't know that it was ever ubuntu21:13
iheartubuntuwell, i guess its linux at least21:13
iheartubuntui had read early on it began as ubuntu21:13
akkIf it doesn't have any local apps, distro doesn't exactly matter.21:14
akkStart up, run chrome (the binary release), you're done.21:14
akkYou need some way of updating (but probably google's repositories, not Debian's or Ubuntu's, even if it uses apt).21:15
pleia2it's probably like a cellphone though, over the wire updates that are pushed down21:15
iheartubuntuits interesting that if you want to dev for chromeOS you need to have ubuntu21:15
iheartubuntuhttp://www.chromium.org/chromium-os/developer-guide21:16
iheartubuntuYou need to have Linux to develop for Chromium OS.  Specifically, the supported environment is:  Ubuntu Linux  (version 10.04 - Lucid) - Most developers working on Chromium OS are  using Lucid (the LTS version of Ubuntu) and will not be updating to  10.10.  It is possible that things will work if you're running a  different Linux distribution, but you will probably find life easier if  you're on Lucid. Please note that Ubuntu 9.10 (Karmic) is known21:16
pleia2that /is/ interesting21:16
akkThat's awesome.21:17
akkbtw, it cut off at "Ubuntu 9.10 (Karmic) is know"21:18
iheartubuntuPlease note that Ubuntu 9.10 (Karmic) is known not to  work.21:19
akkWow, I wonder why?21:20
* akk is with google as far as staying on Lucid, but still curious21:20
iheartubuntusounds like it will take hours to build the OS on a multicore system.21:20
iheartubuntuid liek to do it, but... easier to find a vdi of it!21:21
iheartubuntu(talk about lazy)21:21
akkAlso funny they don't mention whether meerkat has been tested or not.21:21
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jtatumchromeos is pretty slick21:59
pleia2download it or did you get one of their laptops?22:20
iheartubuntuive tried some early alpha versions... they kinda sucked actually.22:22
iheartubuntuim trying hexxehs version right now.22:22
iheartubuntusome 17 yo built it himself22:22
iheartubuntuhttp://chromeos.hexxeh.net/22:22
iheartubuntudownload the vmdk image and convert it to vdi to use in virtualbox. instructions here: http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2009/03/22/how-to-convert-vmware-image-vmdk-to-virtualbox-image-vdi/22:23
iheartubuntudid anyone here apply for a laptop?22:25
iheartubuntuI think the Google president has set up an "Ubuntu User Left Behind" program. :)22:26
pleia2I just applied over the weekend (would have applied earlier but I had to read the fine print to make sure I was eligible)22:26
pleia2I know a bunch of people who have them though22:26
iheartubuntuhow would you not be eligible?22:28
pleia2my boyfriend (who I live with) works for google22:28
iheartubuntuahhh22:29
iheartubuntuspeaking of OS :) did star wars ever have any images of their computers? i dont remember22:30
pleia2hm?22:31
iheartubuntui dont even remember star wars people using computers in any mvies22:31
iheartubuntumovies22:31
iheartubuntustar trek... yah.22:32
iheartubuntustar wars, i dont recall.22:32
pleia2they had big logistical command centers, but I'd have to watch again to see if they had what we'd traditionally consider computers22:32
iheartubuntuIm sure the Ewoks didnt.22:35
pleia2hehe22:37
akkThe Jawas had some kind of handheld thing for checking over robots.22:38
akkI think they might also have used it for inventory or payment ... vaguely remember something like that in the scene where they're selling robots to Uncle Owen.22:39
pleia2I think I will have to do research on this topic22:40
akk:)22:40
akkI was surprised, earlier this year, how watchable the first one (i.e. "episode IV") still is.22:41
akkBut then I always loved that movie.22:43
iheartubuntuwas the first one edited at all? remastered or anything?22:44
pleia2annoyingly yes22:45
pleia2they added a whole scene with jabba and added random critters22:45
akkYeah, awful.22:46
pleia2I think they may have released the earliest versions on DVD again, but I'm going to have to start counting on my 2nd hand the number of times I've bought the trilogy soon so I stopped keeping track22:46
pleia2best to avoid temptation and stop paying attention to all the releases :)22:47
akkThe rumor (did I hear it here?) is that George Lucas has some kind of deal with his ex-wife where she gets royalties from the original, or something, and as long as he keeps changing it she doesn't get anything.22:47
pleia2I heard that he just didn't like the old versions and the remasters were his true vision, so he didn't want the originals around anymore22:47
akkNot sure I believe that, though; the recent movies proved that Lucas has no taste or self-control whatsoever, and could actually *like* these random scenes he keeps adding.22:47
iheartubuntuisnt the trilogy going to be re-released starting 2011 in 3D?22:52
iheartubuntuis there an easy way to install vmware in ubuntu?22:53
pleia2akk: such a tease with the android feed-reading app! will you release it?23:00
akkOf course!23:02
pleia2yay:)23:03
akkI'm not actually sure of the right way to release Android apps ... I guess I can just tar up the eclipse workspace dir23:03
akkthough that might get a lot of extra stuff too.23:03
akk(release the source, I mean)23:03
pleia2jdeslip does a lot of formal android app releasing, he's probably the one to ask23:04
pleia2I'm sure he knows all the informal ins and outs of it too :)23:04
akkAnd there are almost no open-source apps for Android to teach me good habits. :(23:04
pleia2a lot of open source apps for android put their stuff on code.google.com23:04
akkGoogling for "android open-source [apptype]" usually only gets hits where people are talking about how Android itself is open-source. :(23:05
pleia2ah23:05
akkI found a couple of threads of people asking "Are there any good open source apps for Android?" and people listing, like, 8 of them total23:06
pleia2wow23:06
akkIt's really very sad.23:06
pleia2I really thought it was common for them to be open source23:06
pleia2crazy23:07
akkNot only can you not get the source, you typically can't even get the apk.23:07
akkIf you don't have the android marketplace (which you don't, if you have a tablet, unless you're fairly geeky and don't mind installing unsupported hacks)23:07
akkthen you're out of luck for 95% of all android apps.23:08
akkEven trivial stuff like "just show me what percentage my battery is at" is out of reach.23:08
jtatumif anyone sees MarkDude, tell him not to really get a tattoo23:35
pleia2lol23:40
jledbetterjtatum, Why not?23:42
pleia2thanks for sending out the email jtatum :)23:42
jtatumnp23:43
RampageAIGreat new website! Can I suggest that the freenode chat link opens in a new tab?23:44
pleia2I am not a huge fan of forcing such things upon users23:45
pleia2is opening it in a new tab yourself difficult?23:45
akkyay pleia223:46
RampageAINot a problem just a personal prefernce since it goes off-site anyway.23:46
pleia2bah, maybe it doesn't matter, I added _blank23:46
pleia2most of the links go off-site23:46
jtatumfor the freenode link, that might be best23:46
pleia2you're probably right about chat though23:47
pleia2so, done :)23:47
RampageAIThanks for your work on a new website. It's great.23:47
* akk blocks that anyway ... for those of us who want to make our own choices we pretty much have to do that since so many websites try to make that choice for us.23:47
jtatumthe other links, i like them same window. since we want the site to feel kinda seamless even though it goes all over the place23:47
pleia2I am kinda worried the seamless feel will get people lost, but honestly there isn't a whole lot we can do23:47
pleia2the site itself is really just a portal, and it's easy enough to get back to if you need :)23:48
jdeslipakk: I have three open source apps for Android.  I host all the code on Launchpad.23:57
jdeslipakk: see, https://launchpad.net/emusicdownloader23:57
akkjdeslip: What's a good way of sharing Android code? Do you write a script to choose which files to tar up, or just tar the whole Eclipse workspace?23:58
akkAnd how do you find opensource Android apps?23:58
jdeslipA lot of other open-source Android apps use google-code to host the code.  There are actually a lot of opensource android apps.  Most just don't advertise that they are opensource ;)23:58
jdeslipakk: With launchpad, you basically use bzr (similar to subversoin) to commit your source and push it to your launchpad project page.23:59
akkI've seen quite a few that claimed to be opensource but didn't have source. :(23:59

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