[00:51] <jthan> Looks like we might engage in war tomorrow....
[00:59] <andrew> we as in #ubuntu-us-pa ? USA?
[00:59] <jthan> USA
[01:00] <andrew> [citation needed]
[01:00] <jthan> I'm just guessing.
[01:00] <jthan> http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiapcf/12/19/north.korea.tensions/index.html?hpt=T1
[01:00] <PennBot> Title: South Korea says exercises to start Monday - CNN.com (at www.cnn.com)
[01:00] <jthan> @cn
[01:00] <PennBot> [Citation Needed]
[01:00] <jthan> oh he still has that
[03:24] <ChinnoDog> hi BeckySanderlin`x
[12:09] <JonathanD> morning PA
[13:53] <andrew> Morning Bridgeport
[13:54] <andrew> & Morning PA
[13:54] <andrew> & Morning CA
[13:54] <andrew> Anyone else?
[13:56] <jedijf> LA
[13:59] <andrew> Morning LA
[17:22] <pleia2> vietnam?
[17:56] <ChinnoDog> It won't be morning in Vietnam for several more hours.
[17:57] <BeckySanderlin`x> IT IS A GLORIOUS MORNING
[17:57] <JonathanD> oh hey
[17:57] <JonathanD> no one told me it was lunch time!
[17:57] <BeckySanderlin`x> NO OTHER MORNING COMES CLOSE TO THIS MORNING
[17:58] <JonathanD> eheh :)
[17:59] <BeckySanderlin`x> NO OTHER AFTERNOON CAME AS CLOSE TO THE JOY I FELT LAST AFTERNOON
[17:59] <BeckySanderlin`x> NO OTHER EVENING [ .. ]
[17:59] <BeckySanderlin`x> im ...
[17:59] <BeckySanderlin`x> i cant express how i feel
[17:59]  * BeckySanderlin`x does a dance
[17:59] <JonathanD> I'm sorry to hear that :(
[18:00] <BeckySanderlin`x> its  a happy non expression tho
[18:09] <ChinnoDog> So is anyone buying their relatives / kids / pets a netbook with Ubuntu they won't know what to do with this year?
[18:09] <JonathanD> nope
[18:09] <JonathanD> well, I got my dog one
[18:09] <JonathanD> but he's been using ubuntu for almost a year.
[18:09] <andrew> We'll see, perhaps I'll be helping get my brother one in January
[18:10] <andrew> But my issue with the current batches of netbooks is the lack of SSD options
[18:14] <pleia2> that's ashame
[18:15] <JonathanD> andrew: thats cause a SSD large enough to happily run windows costs too much.
[18:16] <BeckySanderlin`x> whats diff btwn HDD & SSD
[18:19] <ChinnoDog> latency on SSD is next to nothing
[18:19] <ChinnoDog> throughput on modern SSDs is near that of HDD but even if it is a little less the latency difference will make up for it in most performance tests
[18:19] <ChinnoDog> Plus, it uses less power and is less likely to fail because no moving parts
[18:20] <pleia2> and it can take a beating better - dropping your laptop and ruining your harddrive is far less likely
[18:20] <pleia2> so it's nice for netbooks that you toss in bags and things for travel
[18:20] <pleia2> 40G drives have come down in price, and that's plenty for windows
[18:21] <pleia2> I think people make direct comparisons though, they see 160G SATA drives for a fraction of the price of SSD and want those instead :(
[18:23] <JonathanD> probably
[18:24] <JonathanD> $300 netbook with 32GB SDD, $300 netbook with 160GB HDD.
[18:24] <JonathanD> Most people see the "160 vs 32" and it ends there.
[18:25] <ChinnoDog> What is the least expensive netbook on the market now?
[18:26] <BeckySanderlin`x> These Apps Are Rampantly Stealing Your Info Without Permission  http://gizmodo.com/5715169/
[18:26] <PennBot> Title: These Apps Are Rampantly Stealing Your Info Without Permission (at gizmodo.com)
[18:28] <PennBot> BeckySanderlin`x took my job.
[18:28] <BeckySanderlin`x> nah
[18:28] <BeckySanderlin`x> im just amazed at twiiter
[18:28] <PennBot> But... you read the title before I had a chance to...
[18:29] <BeckySanderlin`x> oh.
[18:29] <PennBot> :(
[18:29] <BeckySanderlin`x> no, i copied the title for the other channels/servers im in
[18:35] <pleia2> ChinnoDog: oh dear, what did they do to the wendy's fries?
[18:36] <pleia2> google tells me they have more calories and more salt, boo
[18:36] <JonathanD> pleia2: they are weird now and have sea salt.
[18:36] <JonathanD> still taste ok dipped in BBQ
[18:41] <andrew> And this is why I pay off my card in full every month (well, every month that I use it) http://www.billshrink.com/blog/10520/minimum-balance-nightmare-why-it-pays-to-overpay/
[18:41] <PennBot> Title: Minimum Balance Nightmare: Why It Pays to Overpay | Shrinkage Is Good (at www.billshrink.com)
[18:53] <ChinnoDog> pleia2: They delicified them
[18:53] <ChinnoDog> The old ones were a little on the bland side
[18:53] <ChinnoDog> not sure why they would have more calories. Maybe because they are skinny?
[18:54] <ChinnoDog> or maybe because they use russets now
[18:54] <pleia2> looks like only 10 more calories in a small, but the sodium spike is significant
[18:54] <pleia2> and I don't love salt :\
[18:54] <ChinnoDog> so ask for them unsalted
[18:55] <ChinnoDog> That is the status quo for getting fries with less salt, right?
[18:55] <pleia2> have you ever tried to ask for fries w/o salt at a fast food restaurant?
[18:55] <pleia2> it doesn't really work :)
[18:56] <pleia2> they either say "no" or they say "sure!" and then they are just as salty anyway
[18:57] <pleia2> I have been tending to skip fries lately, calorie-wise they are the same as that sandwich you're eating, except with very little actual nutritional value, it's almost better to just get two sandwiches
[19:01] <ChinnoDog> I don't usually get fries, but I wanted to try new Wendys fries
[19:24] <ChinnoDog> Anyone running Ubuntu on an ARM based netbook?
[20:10] <BeckySanderlin`x> http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/214200/10_lastminute_gift_ideas_for_linux_geeks.html?tk=twt_linuxline
[20:10] <PennBot> Title: 10 Last-Minute Gift Ideas For Linux Geeks - PCWorld Business Center (at www.pcworld.com)
[20:26] <pleia2> yay, compeng barbie makes the list again :)
[20:27] <pleia2> (she's been popping up on some other linux xmas gift lists this year)
[20:27] <BeckySanderlin`x> yah i noticed that around the net
[20:32] <jedijf> ChinnoDog: post arm question to ml -kejava has/had one