| nnnaji | fagan: thanks! been waiting for unity --replace ! | 00:02 |
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| fagan | nnnaji: well unity without switches works the same | 00:03 |
| fagan | so its only cosmetic | 00:03 |
| nnnaji | learnability | 00:03 |
| fagan | yeah that was the idea | 00:03 |
| nnnaji | ;) | 00:03 |
| fagan | plus its no harm having | 00:03 |
| nnnaji | exactly :D | 00:05 |
| nnnaji | consistency doesn't always require major changes | 00:06 |
| fagan | well its all didrock's being awesome I just added a line to it :) | 00:09 |
| coz_ | hey all | 00:33 |
| SteveC_ | Hey there. I am totally new at Ubuntu, and after a few days of using 10.10 with Unity, I realized I am missing my main system menu. When I right click on the menu bar at the top, nothing happens. However right clicking works most other places. Is there a fix for this bug? | 06:14 |
| kvalo | morning | 06:56 |
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| evaluate | umm, the indicator menu doesn't support text with underscores? You must be kidding me! | 10:04 |
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| ronoc | hyperair, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/banshee/+bug/692887 | 11:12 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 692887 in banshee (Ubuntu) "Banshee does not register volume level correctly in the Sound preferences > 'Applications' tab" [Low,New] | 11:12 |
| * ronoc turns his attention to banshee integration bugs this week | 11:12 | |
| vish | ronoc: neat..! :) | 12:36 |
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| evaluate | hello | 12:46 |
| evaluate | any indicator dev here? | 12:46 |
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| ronoc | evaluate, yup | 13:51 |
| evaluate | hey ronoc | 13:53 |
| ronoc | hey | 13:53 |
| evaluate | I noticed that underscores don't appear in indicator menu items, is this behavior intended? | 13:54 |
| ronoc | evaluate, I had noticed this before, do you mean the dbusmenuitem label string value ? | 13:55 |
| evaluate | ronoc, sorry, I'm not familiar with the terms you guys use | 13:56 |
| ronoc | evaluate, how have you noticed this ? | 13:56 |
| evaluate | ronoc, well, I'm working on a clipboard manager | 13:57 |
| evaluate | I use the menu to also show a history of the most recent copied items. If I copy items that contain underscores, the underscores don't appear in the menu | 13:57 |
| evaluate | for example if I copy 'g_gint64_format', in the menu I see: ' | 13:57 |
| evaluate | 'ggint64format' | 13:58 |
| evaluate | if you want, I could paste you the exact steps I use to create the menu items... | 13:58 |
| ronoc | evaluate, ah so you are using the application indicator api ? | 13:58 |
| evaluate | ronoc, yeah | 13:58 |
| ronoc | evaluate, i have noticed this before but it could be true for some reason, the best thing to do would be to file a bug against application indicator | 13:59 |
| ronoc | evaluate, i work with the indicator stack but I'm not the owner | 14:00 |
| ronoc | evaluate, ted is on holiday's | 14:00 |
| evaluate | ronoc, yeah, I heard this name a lot of times recently. Who is he exactly? :-) | 14:00 |
| ronoc | evaluate, https://launchpad.net/~ted dx team - foundations | 14:01 |
| evaluate | btw, there are also problems with the formatting of menu items, which I have explained here: https://lists.launchpad.net/ayatana-dev/msg00052.html | 14:01 |
| evaluate | I could eventually send a reply to this to also explain the underscore bug... | 14:01 |
| ronoc | kvalo -> https://code.launchpad.net/~cjcurran/indicator-sound/playlist-integration/+merge/44351 | 15:00 |
| ronoc | or are you on holidays ? | 15:00 |
| kvalo | ronoc: not yet :) on it | 15:07 |
| ronoc | kvalo, thx | 15:07 |
| kvalo | ronoc: why did you remove the vapi file? it shouldn't be in bzr? | 15:14 |
| joaopinto | which package should I use to file a bug for the global menu ? | 15:15 |
| ronoc | kvalo, not using it any more | 15:15 |
| kvalo | ronoc: ok. approved | 15:16 |
| * kvalo logs off now. happy holidays everyone | 15:16 | |
| spikeb | you too kvalo | 15:16 |
| ronoc | kvalo, thanks man, have a nice holiday | 15:17 |
| kenvandine | joaopinto, indicator-appmenu | 16:20 |
| joaopinto | kenvandine, bug 693046, should I add task for indicator-appmenu ? | 16:22 |
| ubot5 | Launchpad bug 693046 in AppMenu GTK+ "Menu does not respond in the "failed installed" session" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/693046 | 16:22 |
| joaopinto | it was reported at appmenu-gtk | 16:22 |
| kenvandine | that is probably fine | 16:23 |
| Amaranth | DBO: Remember those small API/ABI changes I was talking about for compiz? | 16:33 |
| DBO | yes | 16:33 |
| Amaranth | DBO: I think it's better to think of it more as "I'm ripping the opengl plugin API to shreds and putting something back in" | 16:33 |
| DBO | Amaranth, please dont break it | 16:34 |
| Amaranth | DBO: The current API is basically not usable with OpenGL ES unless I build my own OpenGL state machine inside the gles plugin | 16:35 |
| Amaranth | Well, it's probably not _that_ bad | 16:36 |
| DBO | yeah its probably not | 16:36 |
| DBO | either way | 16:36 |
| DBO | dont break shit | 16:36 |
| Amaranth | But, for example, GLFragment is exposed to the public API in almost every single function call | 16:36 |
| Amaranth | GLES doesn't have fragment programs :) | 16:36 |
| DBO | are you sure about that | 16:37 |
| DBO | Amaranth, I am looking at the OpenGL ES spec right now | 16:37 |
| DBO | it can run fragment shaders | 16:37 |
| Amaranth | shaders are different | 16:38 |
| DBO | right, so here is what I am saying to you | 16:38 |
| DBO | there is a functionality that is provided by GLFragment | 16:38 |
| DBO | that is to say its used to make some rather simple transforms | 16:38 |
| DBO | (in compiz) | 16:38 |
| DBO | rather than try to port GLFragment | 16:38 |
| DBO | you are merely trying to port how it is used in compiz | 16:38 |
| Amaranth | yeah, perhaps I'll have better luck tossing the current code and just trying to implement the interface from scratch | 16:41 |
| DBO | Amaranth, in cases like that yes | 16:41 |
| DBO | Amaranth, my recollection is GLFragment in plugins is only used for a couple of things | 16:41 |
| DBO | I would suggest attemption to write a fragment shader that can do the same things | 16:42 |
| Amaranth | DBO: brightness, opacity, saturation | 16:42 |
| DBO | and exporting a new, similar struct | 16:42 |
| Amaranth | GLFragment::Attrib | 16:42 |
| DBO | right | 16:42 |
| DBO | so its not a hard problem to solve | 16:42 |
| Amaranth | blur is screwed though :) | 16:42 |
| DBO | fuck blur | 16:42 |
| DBO | dont worry about blur right now | 16:42 |
| DBO | worry about basic plugins | 16:43 |
| DBO | think "Ubuntu default plugin list" | 16:43 |
| Amaranth | Right now I'm just worried about the opengl plugin | 16:44 |
| jcastro | DBO: is bug #692444 bitesizeable? | 17:20 |
| ubot5 | Launchpad bug 692444 in Unity "clicking trash multiple times opens multiple instances of it." [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/692444 | 17:20 |
| jcastro | it feels bitesizeable | 17:20 |
| DBO | yeah | 17:20 |
| DBO | its a medium to hard bitesize | 17:21 |
| DBO | but its in the range | 17:21 |
| jcastro | DBO: the top panel is how many pixels up and down, 22px? | 17:39 |
| DBO | 24 | 17:39 |
| vish | akshatj: hi, did you figure out how to file the bug in debian? | 18:04 |
| seiflotfy | kenvandine, | 19:30 |
| seiflotfy | where do i find some docu for | 19:30 |
| seiflotfy | IndicatorObjectEntry | 19:30 |
| kenvandine | should be in the libindicator-doc pacakge | 19:31 |
| kenvandine | package | 19:31 |
| seiflotfy | nothing there | 19:31 |
| seiflotfy | :( | 19:31 |
| seiflotfy | oh shit | 19:31 |
| seiflotfy | sorry | 19:31 |
| seiflotfy | there is only libappindicator docs in trunk | 19:32 |
| seiflotfy | kenvandine, i can detect indicators that are being removed from the panel | 19:49 |
| seiflotfy | how can i identify them | 19:50 |
| seiflotfy | ? | 19:50 |
| seiflotfy | is there any identifier for an indicator | 19:50 |
| Amaranth | DBO: So even trying my best there are going to be some API changes | 19:54 |
| Amaranth | DBO: They'll be additions but you'll have to use them | 19:54 |
| DBO | explain | 19:54 |
| Amaranth | GLShader, GLShaderManager, GLVertexBatch I have so far | 19:54 |
| Amaranth | So instead of glVertex3f and such you'll setup a GLVertexBatch, possibly setup a custom shader, and call batch->draw(shader) | 19:55 |
| Amaranth | hmm, exposing the shader in the draw method would make us depend on GL 2.0 on desktops too, might want to rethink that part... | 19:56 |
| Amaranth | I have no idea how nux and it's shaders are going to interact with this yet | 19:56 |
| Amaranth | err, its | 19:56 |
| Amaranth | DBO: Basically changes required to make up for there being no fixed function pipeline anymore | 19:57 |
| DBO | okay lets take it from the other approach here | 19:57 |
| DBO | lets ignore shaders for a moment and look at only those plugins that modify the transform of windows | 19:58 |
| DBO | (aka 90% of them) | 19:58 |
| DBO | with me? | 19:58 |
| Amaranth | DBO: The simple ones just push matrices around, they likely won't need any change | 19:58 |
| DBO | correct | 19:58 |
| Amaranth | If you do any extra drawing or special transformations though... | 19:59 |
| seiflotfy | kenvandine, where do i find stuff about IndicatorsModel | 19:59 |
| DBO | Amaranth, so for things like special transforms you need a vertex shader | 19:59 |
| Amaranth | Yeah | 19:59 |
| DBO | which means you need a way to either: | 19:59 |
| DBO | A) define a shader which can be "programmed" by some struct you can pass around | 20:00 |
| Amaranth | I'm going to need a way to allow plugins to add functions that the main shader will somehow know to call | 20:00 |
| kenvandine | seiflotfy, dunno, is that from libindicator? | 20:00 |
| kenvandine | or libappindicator? | 20:00 |
| DBO | B) Allow plugins to define their own additional shaders | 20:00 |
| seiflotfy | kenvandine, i am having an issue | 20:00 |
| seiflotfy | kenvandine, i can connect to entries rmeoved | 20:01 |
| DBO | Amaranth, A) certainly can cover a large number of cases, but not all | 20:01 |
| Amaranth | DBO: defining their own shaders entirely wouldn't work as we need to combine them all | 20:01 |
| seiflotfy | however i can not identify the entry properly | 20:01 |
| kenvandine | seiflotfy, appindicators? | 20:01 |
| Amaranth | I'm going to have a few stock shaders though | 20:01 |
| seiflotfy | nope | 20:01 |
| seiflotfy | all indicators | 20:01 |
| seiflotfy | i am working on some panel stuff | 20:01 |
| DBO | Amaranth, you cant run shaders sequentially? | 20:01 |
| kenvandine | so using libindicator? | 20:01 |
| seiflotfy | yeah | 20:01 |
| Amaranth | DBO: You can only have one main() | 20:01 |
| kenvandine | seiflotfy, i can't even see where IndicatorsModel come from | 20:02 |
| DBO | Amaranth, wtf are you talking about | 20:02 |
| Amaranth | DBO: And no, I don't think you can run them sequentially | 20:02 |
| DBO | Amaranth, hold on | 20:02 |
| seiflotfy | yeah | 20:02 |
| seiflotfy | model = IndicatorsModel.get_default (); | 20:02 |
| seiflotfy | var indicators_list = model.get_indicators (); | 20:02 |
| seiflotfy | this is vala code | 20:02 |
| seiflotfy | to get all indicators | 20:02 |
| seiflotfy | however none of them have a real identifier | 20:02 |
| Amaranth | DBO: Shaders are C-like, they have a main function | 20:02 |
| seiflotfy | not even an internal one | 20:02 |
| kenvandine | seiflotfy, but what library provides IndicatorsModel? | 20:02 |
| DBO | Amaranth, yes I know, but you can run multiple shaders | 20:03 |
| DBO | Amaranth, I know this because we do it in nux all the time | 20:03 |
| Amaranth | DBO: I'll have to look at how that is done | 20:03 |
| Amaranth | DBO: afaik you can have one vertex and one fragment shader per glDraw* call | 20:03 |
| seiflotfy | kenvandine, let me ask | 20:03 |
| DBO | Amaranth, you have to use an intermediate draw to do | 20:04 |
| DBO | which I suppose is a bit of a problem | 20:04 |
| Amaranth | DBO: Yeah, that sounds more complicated | 20:04 |
| seiflotfy | kenvandine, ok nm that | 20:04 |
| Amaranth | And would use more memory | 20:04 |
| kenvandine | seiflotfy, oh, that is libunity | 20:04 |
| seiflotfy | kenvandine, so i have a list of indicators | 20:04 |
| seiflotfy | kenvandine, how do i identify them uniqeuly | 20:05 |
| ion | I wonder if it was noticed that bug #686698 isn’t in fact fixed yet? I’m unable to change the status. | 20:05 |
| ubot5 | Launchpad bug 686698 in nux (Ubuntu) "compiz crashed with SIGSEGV in nux::IOpenGLSurface::UnlockRect()" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/686698 | 20:05 |
| DBO | Amaranth, the approach I would take would be to attempt to define a shader that can be parameterized in such a way to replicate existing functionality | 20:05 |
| seiflotfy | lets say i want to create a hashtable with <id, indicator> | 20:05 |
| Amaranth | DBO: Yeah, as much as possible | 20:05 |
| Amaranth | DBO: I imagine I can get most of the way there with that | 20:06 |
| DBO | Amaranth, yes | 20:07 |
| DBO | I am trying to raise jaytaoko | 20:07 |
| DBO | see if I cant get you a better solution | 20:07 |
| Amaranth | DBO: but afaik there is a limit to the amount of parameters you can pass to a shader | 20:07 |
| DBO | there are | 20:07 |
| Amaranth | Unless I want to load data in as a fake texture :) | 20:07 |
| DBO | ew | 20:07 |
| Amaranth | Thats how GPGPU stuff works, I agree it's pretty ugly | 20:07 |
| DBO | well I mean what plugins are we talking about here... | 20:07 |
| Amaranth | DBO: I dunno, I haven't looked yet, that's why I'm focusing on stock shaders for now | 20:08 |
| Amaranth | DBO: Or at least I was until you got me in to thinking about the rest of it :) | 20:08 |
| kenvandine | seiflotfy, why do you need to identify them? | 20:08 |
| DBO | well I dont want you to have to go back and redo this | 20:08 |
| Amaranth | the limit is something terribly low though, iirc it's 8 uniforms | 20:09 |
| kenvandine | get_indicators returns an ArrayList | 20:09 |
| kenvandine | should be good enough | 20:09 |
| kenvandine | then iterate over the indicators to do things with them | 20:09 |
| Amaranth | DBO: I've already tossed out 3 or 4 half ports of the opengl plugin to get to this point, one more won't hurt | 20:09 |
| Amaranth | DBO: Ideally I could sit down in a room with onestone and smspillaz and hash this out in an hour or so but... | 20:10 |
| seiflotfy | kenvandine, thanks | 20:10 |
| DBO | Amaranth, you can compile multiple shader objects into a shader program | 20:10 |
| kenvandine | seiflotfy, if you really need an id, there is a get_indicator_name in IndicatorsModel | 20:10 |
| kenvandine | you can always use that to get the name and store that | 20:10 |
| kenvandine | but i would just use the list if you can | 20:10 |
| Amaranth | DBO: Yeah, I know the compiler will just concatenate them but I didn't think it would actually work correctly if each one defines a main function | 20:11 |
| DBO | dont have them define a main, they would need to implement a well known name | 20:12 |
| DBO | so each plugin defines a shader function name (if any) and then on load compiz makes its shader main call the functions in the right order, if the plugin requests its shader be enabled | 20:12 |
| Amaranth | DBO: Right, that's what I said a few minutes ago :) | 20:13 |
| DBO | Amaranth, sorry I must have missed that | 20:13 |
| Amaranth | DBO: Each plugin provides a function and core somehow figures out what functions to call and modifies the main function | 20:13 |
| DBO | but still, try to limit the number of plugins requiring that | 20:13 |
| Amaranth | absolutely, mesa can apparently get a bit weird with that | 20:13 |
| DBO | I would suggest a bit-field to enable/disable functions | 20:14 |
| Amaranth | there is a code size limit for the compiler, I think | 20:14 |
| DBO | so you dont have to recompile the shader | 20:14 |
| DBO | is the code size limit for the compiler or for the shader objects? | 20:14 |
| htorque | hello everyone! to which package does the battery indicator belong? | 20:14 |
| Amaranth | DBO: I don't remember, will have to check | 20:15 |
| Amaranth | DBO: I don't think it matter anymore anyway, mesa got a new shader compiler | 20:15 |
| DBO | htorque, I believe its part of gnome-power-manager | 20:15 |
| DBO | Amaranth, thats true! | 20:16 |
| htorque | DBO, thanks | 20:16 |
| Amaranth | Although I'm mostly going to be focusing on specific SoCs | 20:16 |
| Amaranth | hmm, I think I'm going to apply these changes to the current compiz to verify I've got the right idea before I start porting things to egl/gles | 20:31 |
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| Amaranth | DBO: So, hey, when do we get window previews? You can't say compiz doesn't provide a way for you to get them anymore :) | 21:16 |
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