[00:33] <coz_> hey all
[01:58] <histo> ughh can't htink of a domain name
[01:59] <Andre_Gondim> I lost the right click on firefox behaivor, is it normal?
[07:05] <magn3ts> update manager doesn't use app indicator ?
[12:07] <Daekdroom> ??daily
[12:07] <Daekdroom> !daily
[12:43] <wzssyqa> natty supports ps3 now?
[12:45] <bazhang> wzssyqa, supports in what way
[12:46] <wzssyqa> bazhang: no idea, but there are  alternative iso in http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/
[12:46] <wzssyqa> powerpc+ps3
[12:47] <bazhang> wzssyqa, I guess for those who have not updated firmware to eliminate "other OS" then
[12:47] <wzssyqa> bazhang: maybe,
[12:48] <wzssyqa> now days ,with cuda ,opencl etc, the ps3 has not be so amaizing
[12:49] <bazhang> wzssyqa, not sure there, sorry, first I've seen/heard of it
[12:53] <gnomefreak> i would think by the time of release it should support ps3 but i got rid of my ps3 so not 100% sure
[12:55] <gnomefreak> preffered applications needs to be fixed still :(
[13:05] <dnivra> how much space would be needed to install natty? would 11GB suffice?
[13:06] <yofel> certainly, the base system only needs ~2GB
[13:07] <dnivra> yofel, thanks! i plan to install some apps and try to find/fix bugs if possible.
[13:11] <gnomefreak> finding bugs will be easy
[13:11] <Pici> iirc the ps3 builds were stopped. I thought I saw an email about that.
[13:13] <Pici> wzssyqa, gnomefreak: You may want to take a look at this for ps3 related information; https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2010-December/000797.html
[13:13] <dnivra> j #ubuntu-offtopic
[13:13] <dnivra> oops
[13:14] <dnivra> gnomefreak, sorry router got reset.
[13:14] <dnivra> i hope to fix some as well; not just find :)
[13:17] <gnomefreak> i cant usemy browser ye, updates keep causing it to stop loading pages
[13:17] <gnomefreak> thats what i get for not turning on pc in weeks/month
[13:19] <gnomefreak> be back in about an hour while updates finish
[14:59] <gnomefreak> i lost my terminal menus :/
[14:59] <gnomefreak> oh i see
[15:00] <gnomefreak> thats kid of an odd place to put them
[15:00] <gnomefreak> s/kid/kind
[15:03] <Pici> gnomefreak: global menu confusion?
[15:04] <gnomefreak> yeah
[15:05] <gnomefreak> why does the top panel only hold 1 app at a time. i have to use ctrl+alt+tab to change apps
[15:05]  * Pici shrugs, hasn't upgraded yet
[15:06] <zniavre_> can you work on few apps in the same time ?
[15:06] <gnomefreak> you  can but top panel only holds one app at a time. it isnt an easy point and click to change app views
[15:08] <gnomefreak> example i have terminal and browser open. terminal is on top panel atm. the browser doesnt show until i use ctrl+alt+tab
[15:09] <gnomefreak> and my weather applet is gone
[15:09] <gnomefreak> seems i cant add it either
[15:11] <gnomefreak> looks great just not practical for end user
[15:14] <gnomefreak> ok so how do i turn off compiz. change background menu doesnt have it and i dont have any menu items (applications,admin,system)
[15:15] <charlie-tca> Try using "classic desktop" session at login? I don't think that has to have compiz enabled
[15:16] <gnomefreak> still doesnt fix the problems with menu i dont think but be back in a few ill try it
[15:24] <gnomefreak> ok clasic looks normal, however in the apperance dialog still doesnt give me a tab for visual(compiz menu)
[15:29]  * gnomefreak smoke,think
[15:33] <sagaci> ah bugger, another month and a half until 11.04 alpha 2
[15:34] <joaopinto> tried Unity yesterday, I am somehow disappointed
[15:35] <joaopinto> I just played for a few minutes, but apart from the sidebar launcher which is not novell what does it bring ?
[15:36] <sagaci> global context menu bar
[15:39] <gnomefreak> sagaci: define that please. other than the side bar there is no system,appl,places menus ect..
[15:40] <gnomefreak> 1 app in task bar at a time as well
[15:40]  * gnomefreak in classic atm
[15:43] <gnomefreak> dont feel bad i cant even use the 2.6.37-10 kernel
[15:45] <gnomefreak> is nvidia-current-modaliases needed?
[15:45] <bjsnider> that package has been deprecated
[15:45] <gnomefreak> bjsnider: thanks
[15:46] <gnomefreak> maybe the kernel will get past plymouth now
[16:14]  * gnomefreak back to looking for a menu
[16:32] <gnomefreak> it seems unity is only partially implemented from what http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/natty/alpha1#Ubuntu%20Desktop%20Edition says
[17:23] <Spirits-Sight> anyone having issue with the main menu button bring up a folder with the links to apps / other stuff?
[17:24] <Spirits-Sight> also issue with telepathy chat window not allowing more then one line of information and not showing user list? on right of chat window?
[17:25] <Spirits-Sight> and as type window gets bigger instead of the input feild getting bigger?
[17:26] <joaopinto> isn't the main menu expect to bring the apps folder ? isn't that a design decision :P ?
[17:30] <Spirits-Sight> joaopinto I don't think so
[17:31] <Spirits-Sight> its suppose to be a nice dark user interface with a search feild at the top
[17:32] <IdleOne> Spirits-Sight: nope that is in UNE
[17:32] <IdleOne> in Unity Desktop it brings up the applications folder
[17:33] <IdleOne> I prefer the UNE way. sleeker.
[17:34] <Spirits-Sight> but UDE and UNE are going to become one I read somewhere
[17:34] <joaopinto> after a few minutes testing the only thing  I like from unity is the global menu
[17:35] <Spirits-Sight> globa menu is the one button right?
[17:35] <joaopinto> the global menu makes it easier for my parents to locate things :D
[17:36] <joaopinto> is the menu on the top bar
[17:36] <joaopinto> for all apps
[17:36] <joaopinto> instead of the menu over the window
[17:37] <Spirits-Sight> so this is not in UDE yet ? becaue it brings up the folder instead
[17:38] <Spirits-Sight> I like UDE  I like having the bar on the left side, I wish it had when bring mouse over / click show the windows open for that app
[17:38] <joaopinto> Spirits-Sight, I am talking about the menu you see on every application, not about the "Applications" menu
[17:39] <joaopinto> the menu is now shown on the top bar
[17:39] <Spirits-Sight> oo yes sorry got it now :-) mind slow : -) did not know that was the name of that,  I like that alot :-)
[17:39] <joaopinto> of the display, not of the window
[17:39] <joaopinto> :)
[17:40] <Spirits-Sight> I wish that was already across the board but I know its being developed :-)
[17:40] <Spirits-Sight> are u having any issue with the chat client (default)
[17:40] <joaopinto> I don't use empathy
[17:41] <joaopinto> and I am not yet using natty, the installer is falling on me :\
[17:41] <Spirits-Sight> oo sorry to hear that :(
[17:41] <Spirits-Sight> what u use for chat client?
[17:42] <Spirits-Sight> does it interface into the system like empathy?
[17:44] <Spirits-Sight> brb restart system :-) hopefully some things are fixed
[17:53] <Spirits-Sight> ok I am back, did u see my question?
[17:54] <Spirits-Sight> anyone having issue with empathy window (chat) getting bigger as you type instead of the field getting taller
[17:55] <Spirits-Sight> also I get the issue of: No system tray detected on this system. Unable to start, exiting. ???
[18:32] <SamruaiAlba> Hello.  How can I get the Broadcom 94318MPG wireles card working under Natty?
[18:33] <SamruaiAlba> Adys, know Nysile?
[20:01] <histo> ughh natty command line virtualbox guest boots to black screen trying to trouble shoot
[20:03] <charlie-tca> is it working again in natty?
[20:13] <charlie-tca> histo: might be bug 691555
[20:32] <histo> charlie-tca: yeap
[21:14] <BUGabundo> o/
[21:16] <Ian_Corne> o/
[21:17]  * charlie-tca waves
[21:18] <BUGabundo> don't you love when you set the CPU to powersave and it auto sets to ondemand?
[21:18] <BUGabundo> at least it's a little better then setting performance on boot and no throttling back
[21:23] <BUGabundo> # dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/mmcblk0p1 ibs=100M
[21:24] <Amaranth> BUGabundo: Why would you use powersave? It doesn't do what the name implies
[21:25] <BUGabundo> Amaranth: I know very well
[21:25] <BUGabundo> I've been reading on cpu gobernors for years
[21:25] <BUGabundo> I know who it works
[21:25] <Amaranth> Personally I think they should just have ondemand and performance, not sure why they keep the others around
[21:26] <BUGabundo> but this laptop BURNs a bit, and has little battery, and I'm bare naked legs
[21:26] <Amaranth> Ah, you're using it as thermal management
[21:26] <BUGabundo> I do miss Interactive... I have that on android
[21:26] <Amaranth> I wish we had a separate knob for that
[21:26] <BUGabundo> and you can notice the difference to ondemand
[21:26] <Amaranth> My palm pre has screenstate, useful in that specific device
[21:27] <Amaranth> I'm guessing interactive is similar
[21:28] <BUGabundo> Amaranth: interactive ramps up away faster, dropping right after that
[21:28] <BUGabundo> awesome for user interaction
[21:28] <Amaranth> ah, screenstate just ramps from min to max speed depending on if the screen is on
[21:29] <Amaranth> Unless you've got it plugged in, then it runs low speed because charging plus overclocking = overheating
[21:30] <BUGabundo> I OC my android HTC Desire HD 50%
[21:30] <BUGabundo> from 1GHz to 1.5
[21:30] <BUGabundo> stable with no temp change :D
[21:36] <maurer_> In classic desktop mode, alt-tab will occasionally crash compiz. Is this a known issue? Is there a workaround?
[21:36] <BUGabundo> lucky you
[21:36] <BUGabundo> I can't even get compiz to start
[21:36] <maurer_> (the workaround I've been using is to switch to a VT and restart it with DISPLAY=:0 compiz, but this is super awkward.
[21:36] <BUGabundo> and Amaranth went underground now :P
[21:37] <BUGabundo> Ian_Corne: http://android-pt.com/android-gingerbread-231-on-desirehd
[21:38] <Ian_Corne> yeh yeh, I'm stuck with my milestone
[21:38] <Ian_Corne> :p
[21:38] <Ian_Corne> had to reset it today, I wasn't getting any msgs for about a month now
[21:38] <Ian_Corne> and email stopped working too
[21:39] <BUGabundo> lol
[21:39] <BUGabundo> what rom?
[21:40] <Ian_Corne> default!
[21:40] <patdk-wk> people run stock?
[21:40] <BUGabundo> eewwww
[21:40] <BUGabundo> put CM on that baby
[21:40] <BUGabundo> 2.2.1
[21:42] <nperry> People use stock?
[21:44] <BUGabundo> some do
[21:44] <BUGabundo> don't know why
[21:44] <BUGabundo> but hey, they are free to do so
[21:44] <charlie-tca> hm, If I can't get xubuntu to install from the daily images, how am I going to break it?
[21:44] <BUGabundo> one of the admins of our android site, has a Nexus One, unrooted and stock
[21:47] <Ian_Corne> BUGabundo: milestone is different :(
[21:48] <BUGabundo> so what?
[21:48] <BUGabundo> want a link? or you know google?
[21:48] <BUGabundo> even milestone is rootable
[21:48] <BUGabundo> has been for months
[21:48] <Ian_Corne> Rootable doesn't mean it's flashable
[21:48] <patdk-wk> my droid2 is rootable and flashable
[21:48] <patdk-wk> as soon as a rootkit came out for it, mine was done
[21:49] <patdk-wk> so much better battery life now
[21:49] <BUGabundo> http://android.doshaska.net/cm6 http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=784750
[21:49] <Ian_Corne> droid is different then milestone
[21:49] <BUGabundo> good bye Ian_Corne. see you tomorrow  :p
[21:50] <Ian_Corne> I'm not doing that now :p
[21:50] <BUGabundo> DO IT
[21:50] <BUGabundo> [12 dec 2010]CyanogenMod 6.1 for Milestone (2.2.1)
[21:52] <Ian_Corne> I'll do it friday
[21:52] <patdk-wk> that way you can't talk to family for christmas?
[21:52] <BUGabundo> enouth offtopic :P
[21:52] <BUGabundo> everyone move to #android-root or #cyanogenmod
[21:53] <patdk-wk> where is my natty-rom?
[21:54] <Ian_Corne> :D
[21:54] <Ian_Corne> ?daily
[21:54] <Ian_Corne> booh
[21:54] <patdk-wk> I don't thnk it would boot on my phone :)
[21:54] <Ian_Corne> Probably not :p
[21:55] <BUGabundo> humm
[21:55] <BUGabundo> I have yet to put ubuntu on one of my androids
[21:55] <BUGabundo> toooo lazy for it
[21:55] <Ian_Corne> and too useles? :p
[21:55] <patdk-wk> man, why is my computer going 100mbit again :(
[21:56] <Ian_Corne> aha, I've had reports of that too
[21:56] <Ian_Corne> And I've had it myself too
[21:57] <maurer_> Out of curiosity, do people know whether ubuntu is considering "Classic" mode a critical feature for natty's release? Given how long so much has been broken, I'm wondering how much they intend on fixing this portion.
[21:58] <BUGabundo> when does one know DD has come to an end of the device?
[21:58] <BUGabundo> dmesg shows nothing
[21:59] <maurer_> dd stops when it hits the end of the device.
[21:59] <BUGabundo> no it doesn't
[21:59] <BUGabundo> lol
[21:59] <BUGabundo> no on emmc
[21:59] <maurer_> emmc?
[22:00] <maurer_> I could have sworn I'd done dd if=/dev/foo of=backuplocation and had it terminate
[22:01] <patdk-wk> fixed, going gigabit again
[22:01] <patdk-wk> stupid ups network surge protector, limited it to 100mbit
[22:02] <Ian_Corne> ah :p
[22:02] <Ian_Corne> maurer_: what is broken?
[22:02] <patdk-wk> :( getting 24MB now, instead of 7.8MB
[22:06] <BUGabundo> sorry
[22:06] <BUGabundo> what were you saying?
[22:06] <BUGabundo> laptop froze once I pluged power cord
[22:06] <BUGabundo> :(
[22:06] <BUGabundo> maurer_: I _was_ running # dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/mmcblk0p1 ibs=100M
[22:06] <BUGabundo> patdk-wk: you do know that spends more energy, right?
[22:07] <patdk-wk> spends more energy?
[22:07] <patdk-wk> what spends?
[22:07] <Ian_Corne> gigabit
[22:08] <patdk-wk> don't care
[22:08] <patdk-wk> the brownouts spend more energy
[22:09]  * patdk-wk wonders what costs more, me watching this take 30min to transfer, or me watching this take 90min to transfer
[22:09] <BUGabundo> lol
[22:15] <maurer_> Ian_Corne: Alt-tab is the biggest thing (crashes compiz)
[22:16] <maurer_> Ian_Corne: Next on the list is that right clicking on widgets in gnome-panel no longer gives the secondary menu (i.e. I can't turn off NetworkManager via the gui anymore)
[22:16] <maurer_> Ian_Corne: Finally, there's a bunch of generalized degradation in rendering of stuff related to gnome (gradients not ending on menu item boundaries, animated panel icons not working)
[22:29] <Ian_Corne> maurer_: 2 is because nm-applet is now an indicator
[22:29] <Ian_Corne> and you should be able to turn of network via left click
[22:29] <Ian_Corne> I can
[22:29] <Ian_Corne> and I don't use compiz on classic