[03:12] <robert_ancell> Riddell, ping
[03:12] <robert_ancell> (or any other Kubuntu dev)
[08:07] <rodrigo_> morning
[08:39] <rodrigo_> hmm, ssh-agent is broken for me, I guess I need an update
[08:51] <xclaesse> Hm, natty never remove the message "To run a command as administrator (user "root"), use "sudo <command>"."
[10:27] <rodrigo_> brb
[10:42] <rodrigo_> anyone knows what's wrong with ssh-agent? It never asks me for a password when using bzr, git, rsync, etc
[11:10] <rodrigo_> ugh, system quite broken after last upgrade :(
[11:10] <rodrigo_> hey pedro_
[11:11] <pedro_> hello rodrigo_
[11:11] <rodrigo_> pedro_, not taking holidays?
[11:12] <pedro_> rodrigo_, i'm taking some starting the next friday (24) until next year
[11:12] <pedro_> rodrigo_, you're on holidays right?
[11:12] <rodrigo_> pedro_, ah, cool :-)
[11:12] <rodrigo_> pedro_, was last week, back to work this week
[11:12] <rodrigo_> and off next week again :)
[11:12] <pedro_> cool!
[11:13] <rodrigo_> pedro_, are you using latest natty updates?
[11:15] <pedro_> rodrigo_, haven't updated my machine today yet, anything broken?
[11:15] <rodrigo_> pedro_, lots, that's why I ask, wanted to know if you had the same problems
[11:15] <rodrigo_> ssh-agent is the worst one
[11:15] <pedro_> ok let me update to check
[11:16] <rodrigo_> have to mow to a vt to use bzr, git, rsync, etc
[11:16] <rodrigo_> move, not mow
[11:18] <rodrigo_> ugh, and now umount for a drive I mounted by hand is taking ages
[11:25] <pedro_> rodrigo_, just updated and everything works fine here
[11:25] <rodrigo_> hmm
[11:26] <rodrigo_> I guess it's something with the GNOME3 PPA then
[12:23] <cyphermox> good morning!
[13:00] <rodrigo_> hi cyphermox
[13:03] <cyphermox> hey rodrigo_!
[13:20] <xclaesse> cyphermox, hello... any progress with nm-applet crash?
[13:52] <udienz> Hello Ubuntu-Desktop Team
[13:52] <udienz> i need your help for my merge proposal
[13:52] <udienz> https://code.launchpad.net/~udienz/ubuntu/maverick/light-themes/light-themes.fix549365/+merge/42840
[13:53] <udienz> dholbach recommended me to ask at here
[13:59] <udienz> bug 549365
[13:59] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 549365 in light-themes (Ubuntu) "Terminals have a translucent background (affects: 3) (heat: 29)" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/549365
[13:59] <udienz> thanks before
[14:33] <charlie-tca> bryceh: Is bugbot your script?
[14:34] <cyphermox> xclaesse, yep, I'll upload the update in a minute
[14:41] <cyphermox> xclaesse, it's uploaded now. just give it time to build, and it should be fixed (here it works, no more crash with my 3g dongle)
[14:41] <momelod> greetings channel.  I've broken my power management on my latop after upgrade to 10.10.  basically i cannot run gnome-power-manager.  When i do, i get this error: http://pastebin.com/hYRuMB7Q
[14:41] <momelod> i can no longer sleep or hibernate (unless i manually run `/etc/acpi/sleep.sh`)
[14:41] <momelod> but the option to sleep, hibernate are missing from my logout menu
[14:41] <momelod> and, there is no battery monitoring happening either, so my laptop will drain the battery completely unless im there to power off beforehand.
[14:48] <rodrigo_> kklimonda, ping
[14:56] <cyphermox> momelod, you should ask about this in #ubuntu, this is a channel for Ubuntu development. you may want to reinstall upower to fix this, but I'm just taking a wild guess there ;)
[14:57] <momelod> thanks.. tried re-installing upower..
[14:57] <momelod> no luck
[14:57] <momelod> but thanks
[15:18] <mvo> tremolux: hey, I merged the inline-purchase branch, nice work :) if you could update trunk so that the experimental-faststart one merges, that would be nice
[15:18] <tremolux> thanks mvo!  will do
[15:19] <kklimonda> rodrigo_: pong
[15:19] <mvo> thanks tremolux
[15:21] <joaopinto> which package should I use to file a bug for the global menu ?
[15:43] <rodrigo_> joaopinto, libdbusmenu-gtk
[15:43] <rodrigo_> kklimonda, I don't remember what I wanted to tell you :-)
[15:44] <joaopinto> rodrigo_, I was told to use appmenu-gtk
[15:44] <rodrigo_> ah, that might be it
[15:45] <kklimonda> rodrigo_: if it was about couchdb-glib it's still on my list - I was just busy with more urgent stuff like work :). I'm planning on getting back to it after christmas.
[15:46] <rodrigo_> kklimonda, no hurries, don't worry
[15:46] <dobey> kenvandine: can you sponsor https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~dobey/ubuntu/natty/rhythmbox-ubuntuone-music-store/use-defer/+merge/44358 ? :)
[15:46] <kenvandine> sure
[15:48]  * pitti waves
[15:48] <dobey> thakns
[15:48] <dobey> hey pitti
[15:48] <pitti> hey dobey, how are you?
[15:49] <dobey> alright. yourself?
[15:50] <pitti> pretty well, thanks! enjoying my holidays
[15:52] <kenvandine> hey pitti
[15:54] <dobey> nice
[15:54] <kenvandine> dobey, you should have changed the dist to natty while touching the aptdaemon stuff in the music store
[15:55] <kenvandine> dist="maverick"
[15:55] <kenvandine> and
[15:55] <kenvandine> PARTNER_LIST = "canonical-partner-maverick.list"
[15:57] <dobey> hrmm
[15:58] <kenvandine> makes me wonder how banshee handles installing the codec
[15:58] <dobey> i don't think it does yet
[15:58] <kenvandine> i am pretty sure there is some mechanism, but i bet it isn't via the partner repo
[15:59] <dobey> i didn't realize it hardcoded that
[15:59] <kenvandine> dobey, kind of fragile huh ? :)
[15:59] <kenvandine> i bet there is a better way
[15:59] <kenvandine> lsb_release or something
[15:59] <dobey> yes
[16:00] <kenvandine> would be better to grab that from /etc/lsb-release then
[16:01] <dobey> preacher.preach(choir)
[16:01] <dobey> would be better to abstract that more
[16:02] <dobey> so that the right thing can be done on !ubuntu
[16:03] <kenvandine> want to fix that before i sponsor this?
[16:04] <kenvandine> or should i do a quick s/maverick/natty/ and sponsor?
[16:05] <kenvandine> dobey, ^^
[16:05] <dobey> kenvandine: i'll file a bug; do a quick s/maverick/natty/ for now
[16:06] <kenvandine> will do
[16:06] <kenvandine> thx
[16:07] <dobey> i'm surprised nobody has complained about this yet. we build nightlies on lucid, maverick, and natty
[16:08] <kenvandine> weird
[16:26] <kenvandine> dobey, nobody complained because it only matters on new installs
[16:27]  * gnomefreak cant find menus at all 
[16:30] <kenvandine> jasoncwarner, meeting?
[16:30] <jasoncwarner> kenvandine:
[16:30]  * kenvandine wonders if it will be just you and i :)
[16:30] <jasoncwarner> :)
[16:30] <pitti> hey jasoncwarner
[16:31] <kenvandine> and pitti
[16:31] <kenvandine> :)
[16:31] <pitti> I'm at home, so I can as well join :)
[16:31] <jasoncwarner> pitti: morning :)
[16:31] <jasoncwarner> Alright...https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2010-12-21/
[16:32] <tremolux> hiya  everyone  \o
[16:32] <jasoncwarner> rodrigo_: Riddell: cyphermox: tremolux: mterry: meeting time...
[16:32] <rodrigo_> hey kenvandine
[16:32] <kenvandine> hey rodrigo_
[16:33] <jasoncwarner> Anyone else around?
[16:33] <Riddell> hi
[16:33] <jasoncwarner> First things, please be sure to update the above link with any interesting items for the week.
[16:34] <jasoncwarner> I don't think we had any actions from last week so we can dive right in to
[16:34] <jasoncwarner> [TOPIC] Unity
[16:35] <kenvandine> no didrocks :)
[16:35] <jasoncwarner> without seb or didrocks, not sure what kind of update we can give. Anyone?
[16:35] <rodrigo_> :)
[16:35] <kenvandine> nope...
[16:35] <jasoncwarner> [TOPIC] Software Center
[16:36] <mterry> hi
[16:36] <tremolux> summary is posted on the meeting wiki
[16:36] <tremolux> :)
[16:36] <tremolux> (unless you want me to paste here -- but I think we stopped doing that)
[16:36] <jasoncwarner> tremolux: works for me
[16:37] <jasoncwarner> [TOPIC] Kubuntu
[16:37] <Riddell>  * KDE built on ARM and PowerPC in natty
[16:37] <Riddell>  * KDE SC 4.4.5 in lucid-proposed for testing
[16:37] <Riddell>  * KDevelop Beta in
[16:37] <Riddell>  * 4.6 release candidate due today to packagers
[16:37] <Riddell>  * Akonadi beta packaged
[16:38] <jasoncwarner> Thanks, Riddell. Anything you wanted to add?
[16:38] <Riddell> nope
[16:38] <jasoncwarner> if not, I didn't see it on the template but
[16:38] <jasoncwarner> [TOPIC] Partner update?
[16:39] <kenvandine> nothing... nobody was around for the meeting
[16:39] <jasoncwarner> :)
[16:39] <jasoncwarner> one of those weeks....
[16:40] <jasoncwarner> X.org is later today
[16:40] <jasoncwarner> [TOPIC] Tools and Processes
[16:41] <jasoncwarner> Anyone have anything for tools and processes updates?
[16:42] <jasoncwarner> :)
[16:42] <jasoncwarner> [TOPIC] AOB?
[16:42] <jasoncwarner> shortest.meeting.evar!
[16:43] <kenvandine> yeah :)
[16:43] <pitti> :)
[16:43] <jasoncwarner> [END MEETING]
[16:43] <jasoncwarner> Well then!
[16:43] <rodrigo_> :)
[16:43] <jasoncwarner> don't forget to update the weekly summary
[16:43] <jasoncwarner> that is it! Thanks everyone.
[16:44] <tremolux> woo!  thanks everybody
[16:44] <kenvandine> :)
[16:44] <kenvandine> happy holidays to everyone
[16:44] <mterry> :)
[16:44] <cyphermox> happy holidays ;)
[16:45] <pitti> happy holidays and merry christmas everyone!
[16:45] <cyphermox> kenvandine, know anything about the unity cmake process?
[16:45] <cyphermox> I just found out there is an issue... here I get some weird behavior just for compiz files in bzr bd; it tries to install /
[16:46] <cyphermox> d'oh
[16:46] <cyphermox> tries to install /home/mtrudel/Projects/build-area/unity.../debian/tmp/home/mtrudel/Projects/build-area ... ;)
[16:47] <Amaranth> It did that to seb128 too
[16:47] <cyphermox> hrm.
[16:47] <Amaranth> it doesn't do it on the actual buildds though
[16:48] <Amaranth> he hacked around it for a local build, we couldn't figure it out
[16:48] <cyphermox> it's most likely something specific to building with bzr bd
[16:48] <cyphermox> heh, pbuilder it is then
[16:48] <kenvandine> humm
[16:48] <kenvandine> cyphermox, no... sorry :)
[16:48] <cyphermox> ;)
[16:48] <cyphermox> thanks :)
[17:03]  * pitti goes back to holiday mode; see you everyone!
[17:40] <dobey> kenvandine: well, it only matters when the music store is first used. that may not be the same time as install
[17:43] <kenvandine> yeah
[18:17] <ari-tczew> could someone tell me why I should merge on lp:~ubuntu-desktop/farsight/ubuntu instead on default bzr branch for natty?
[18:17] <ari-tczew> according to Robert's comment on https://code.launchpad.net/~ari-tczew/ubuntu/natty/farsight2/lp-690736/+merge/43800
[18:19] <micahg> ari-tczew: well, it's where the VCS headers point, but it's out of date :-/
[18:20] <ari-tczew> micahg: Agreed. This branch seems to be another than Ubuntu source.
[18:20] <micahg> ari-tczew: Robert might be on in about 3-4 hours if he's not on vacation yet
[18:22] <ari-tczew> micahg: Do you think that leave a MemoMsg is a good option?
[18:22] <ari-tczew> I'm not sure whether 3-4 hours I'll be in bed.
[18:22] <micahg> ari-tczew: if you won't be on then, sure
[18:24] <bryceh> charlie-tca, yes
[18:25] <charlie-tca> great! It doesn't change the status when it leaves a comment that the bug is being close
[18:26] <bryceh> charlie-tca, hrm
[18:26] <charlie-tca> bryceh: I like what bugbot does, but I think it should change status to invalid when it says the bugs are closed
[18:26] <bryceh> charlie-tca, I noticed that but thought I fixed it.  Was this a recent change (within the last week?)
[18:26] <charlie-tca> 17th
[18:26] <bryceh> charlie-tca, yeah it's actually supposed to set to Expired
[18:27] <charlie-tca> The bug I caught today was commented 12-17, so maybe it is fixed, then. I will keep my eye open for later than that changes
[18:27] <charlie-tca> do you want the status changed on the bugs I come across?
[18:27] <bryceh> yeah it runs once a week
[18:28] <bryceh> I'll disable it until I get a chance to figure out why it's busted
[18:28] <charlie-tca> Thanks
[18:28] <bryceh> charlie-tca, yeah if you could update those statuses, that'd be a huge help
[18:28] <charlie-tca> I can do that. Just wanted to make sure I was doing something right.
[18:30] <charlie-tca> bryceh: latest one I came across was bug 659405
[18:30] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 659405 in xorg-server (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Xorg crashes on suspend (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [High,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/659405
[18:36] <ari-tczew> micahg: even so, I can't merge it with ubuntu-desktop branch. reason: This branch is not mergeable into lp:~ubuntu-desktop/farsight/ubuntu.
[18:38] <kamusin> just for curiosity, will be gnome-system-tools included in ubuntu natty?
[18:38] <kklimonda> ari-tczew: you can't merge it into ~ubuntu-desktop branch as those track only packaging.
[18:39] <ari-tczew> kklimonda: heh, Robert could inform me instead requiring merge.
[18:39] <kklimonda> ari-tczew: you should branch lp:~ubuntu-desktop/farsight/ubuntu locally, add your changes, and then push and request a merge.
[18:40] <kamusin> there isn't a 'user' way to sync date/time with a ntp server under natty or I am too blind ...
[18:40] <ari-tczew> kklimonda: I'll try, but I remmeber that 6 days ago I couldn't do anything on this branch. Dunno why. Odd data.
[19:11] <mterry> kamusin, go to your clock and click on Time & Date Settings
[19:12] <mterry> kamusin, but that's a better question for #ubuntu which is the support channel
[19:13] <dobey> what is it that keeps screwing up my compiz settings every time i upgrade compiz?
[19:27] <ari-tczew> bzr: ERROR: Invalid url supplied to transport: "lp:~ari-tczew/ubuntu-desktop/farsight/ubuntu/lp-690736": No such project: ubuntu-desktop
[19:27] <ari-tczew> how can I create a branch related to lp:~ubuntu-desktop/farsight/ubuntu ?
[19:28] <ari-tczew> hmmm, I tried another way
[19:28] <ari-tczew> bzr: ERROR: Permission denied: "~ari-tczew/farsight/ubuntu/lp-690736/": : Cannot create branch at '/~ari-tczew/farsight/ubuntu/lp-690736
[19:29] <ari-tczew> could anyone help me?
[19:31] <ari-tczew> kklimonda: maybe you? ^^
[19:31] <kenvandine> mterry, ping
[19:31] <mterry> kenvandine, hi
[19:31] <kklimonda> ari-tczew: have you tried lp:~ari-tczew/ubuntu/farsight/lp-690736/ ?
[19:31] <kenvandine> mterry, do you have a general idea of the status of the gir transistion?
[19:32] <mterry> kenvandine, mostly done
[19:32] <mterry> :)
[19:32] <kklimonda> ari-tczew: or lp:~ari-tczew/farsight/lp-690736
[19:32] <kenvandine> mterry, doko wants someone to email ubuntu-devel with a status and a brief note on what people should do if they run into a package that hasn't been fixed
[19:33] <cyphermox> ari-tczew, non-related, could you please take another look at my cnetworkmanager merge request?
[19:33] <kenvandine> mterry, think you can do that?
[19:35] <mterry> kenvandine, yeah, sure
[19:35] <kenvandine> thx
[19:35] <kenvandine> i've been fixing what i see
[19:36] <dobey> ari-tczew: lp:~owner/distro/series/sourcepackage/branchname
[20:10] <ari-tczew> dobey: you're wrong. We've discuss about this above. It's branch unrelated to Ubuntu. Just ubuntu-desktop stuff.
[20:12] <dobey> ari-tczew: ubuntu-desktop is just a team. the branches are just the packaging branches where changes are staged for going into ubuntu itself.
[20:14] <ari-tczew> dobey: Robert Ancell asked me to merge into ubuntu-desktop/farsight instead Ubuntu packaging.
[20:16] <ari-tczew> cyphermox: I can.
[20:16] <ari-tczew> kklimonda: thanks! your advice was helpful.
[20:18] <cyphermox> thx
[20:32] <geser> mterry: re gir ABI chnage: did the directory for .gir files also change?
[20:32] <kklimonda> geser: no :)
[20:33] <mterry> geser, no
[20:33] <mterry> whoops, too slow  :)
[20:33] <geser> so gir1.2-* packages install in /usr/share/gir-1.0/?
[20:34] <mterry> geser, yup, it's a bit of a mess
[20:34] <mterry> geser, the file itself says what abi it is
[20:34] <kklimonda> geser: yes - that's how upstream have decided to do that.
[20:34] <mterry> as a field in the xml
[22:01] <jasoncwarner> bryceh:  and robert_ancell:, you guys ready for meeting? :) should be really quick
[22:01] <jasoncwarner> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2010-12-21
[22:01] <RAOF> Howdie hi :)
[22:01] <jasoncwarner> RAOF: hey!
[22:01] <robert_ancell> yup
[22:03] <robert_ancell> quick western meeting..
[22:03]  * bryce_ waves
[22:03] <bryce_> I think RAOF's out this week
[22:03] <RAOF> Am I?
[22:03] <bryce_> RAOF, or not
[22:04] <bryce_> RAOF, thought you took the rest of the year off?
[22:04] <RAOF> I got a bit confused by canonicaladmin; it's possible that I'm on holiday for the last 3 days.
[22:04] <RAOF> bryce_: No, just the start of last week.
[22:05] <jasoncwarner> RAOF: I think so ;)
[22:05] <jasoncwarner> I think you are ;)
[22:05] <jasoncwarner> ok...getting going...
[22:05] <jasoncwarner> [TOPIC] X.org update
[22:06] <RAOF> A bunch of patches have finally landed upstream!  Yay!
[22:06] <RAOF> A bunch of our patches, though, so it's not very interesting for the non-X people :)
[22:07] <bryce_> I did some updates to the X apport scripts.  Also not very interesting for the non-X people.  But will cut down on stray error messages in bug reports and generally clean stuff up.
[22:07] <bryce_> also, I'm chatting with the compiz folks about possibly merging the X and compiz apport scripts
[22:08] <bryce_> the scripts are already 90% the same stuff anyway, and we are always bouncing bugs back and forth between compiz / mesa / etc. so it makes sense
[22:09] <bryce_> my thinking is that this may make diagnosing unity X-ish bugs a tad easier
[22:09] <jasoncwarner> ok....
[22:09] <jasoncwarner> Anything else for X.org?
[22:10] <jasoncwarner> nothing else?
[22:10] <RAOF> Oh.  Kubuntu users who find that X crashes when logging out have some testing packages.
[22:10] <jasoncwarner> [TOPIC] aOB?
[22:10] <bryce_> canonicaladmin is *painfully* slow
[22:10] <bryce_> everyone must be checking their xmas holidays at the same time ;-)
[22:11] <jasoncwarner> bryce_ agreed
[22:11] <bryce_> we could probably code a replacement in the time it takes to wait for it to refresh ;-)
[22:12] <bryce_> nothing else from me; been a really short week for me due to sick + vacation time
[22:13] <RAOF> Nothing else here, either.
[22:14] <jasoncwarner> well then
[22:14] <jasoncwarner> I htink
[22:14] <jasoncwarner> [END MEETING]
[22:14] <jasoncwarner> !
[22:14] <jasoncwarner> :)
[22:14] <bryce_> thanks
[22:14] <jasoncwarner> next meeting is in january !
[22:14] <jasoncwarner> enjoy holidays!!!!
[22:15] <RAOF> While I'm here with a small captive audience, how useful would other people find a Do plugin that indexes your gnome-keyring and lets you copy passwords to the clipboard?
[22:21] <cyphermox> RAOF, ah, cool idea
[22:25] <RAOF> Well, there's one other person who'd like it.  I guess I'll release it with the rest of do-plugins then :)
[23:54] <ari-tczew> robert_ancell: around?
[23:55] <robert_ancell> ari-tczew, yup
[23:55] <ari-tczew> robert_ancell: I proposed new merge to ~ubuntu-desktop/farsight/ubuntu
[23:56] <robert_ancell> ari-tczew, thanks for that
[23:56] <ari-tczew> robert_ancell: when do you going for holiday?
[23:56] <robert_ancell> 24th
[23:57] <robert_ancell> back on the 3rd
[23:58] <ari-tczew> robert_ancell: I hope that I'll prepare some merges to sponsor by you tomorrow.
[23:59] <robert_ancell> ari-tczew, awesome.  btw, if you subscribe ubuntu-desktop to do the merges they show up on http://people.canonical.com/~platform/desktop/versions.html (I'll probably end up doing them anyway)