[02:09] <udienz> @schedule now
[02:09] <udienz> @now
[09:59]  * ejat pokes elky
[10:00]  * ejat pokes udienz
[10:00] <lifeless> hi
[10:00] <ejat> hi lifeless
[10:00]  * nobuto (one of candidates) is ready
[10:00] <udienz> hello lifeless ejat
[10:00]  * udienz preparing some coffee
[10:02] <ejat> sorry for away/absence from previous2 meeting .. hopefully i can give attention back :) bz with work + personal things ..
[10:03] <udienz> @now
[10:03] <udienz> Asia/Oceania Membership board meeting now?
[10:04] <elky> hi
[10:05] <ejat> hi elky
[10:05] <udienz> hello elky
[10:08] <udienz> elky, lifeless, ejat: Asia/Oceania Membership board meeting now?
[10:08] <udienz> persia?
[10:09] <elky> i've literally only just walked in the door
[10:11] <udienz> +11 minutes
[10:11] <elky> i'm aware,  but nobody else is even responding
[10:12] <elky> many who are on the board are likely travelling or busy due to the holiday season
[10:13] <elky> freeflying?
[10:13] <lifeless> udienz: we're here, as you can see when ejat pinged
[10:14] <lifeless> ejat udienz lifeless elky : 4 folk
[10:14] <freeflying> elky: yes
[10:14] <elky> ok we have 5, can someone chair, i need dinner and to pack for flying to visit family tomorrow morning
[10:15] <elky> i'll participate, but i can't lead
[10:15] <maqtanim> hi I m here for the meeting, I am an applicant!
[10:16] <elky> lifeless, wait, udienz isn't part of quorum
[10:16] <elky> he's an applicant
[10:16] <udienz> elky: yup, i'm apllicant
[10:16] <elky> ogitux is first up, and not here. shani is first in queue.
[10:17] <lifeless> oh
[10:17] <lifeless> <- tired
[10:17] <elky> shani, are you there?
[10:17] <elky> lifeless, ya, likewise. ground stopped moving yet? :P
[10:17] <lifeless> yeah
[10:17]  * freeflying is in another meeting 
[10:18] <elky> shani, isn't responding. maqtanim please paste your pre-prepared introduction to us
[10:19] <maqtanim> ok
[10:19] <maqtanim> Hi everyone. I am Adnan Quiaum. I am a Bangladeshi. Currently I am conducting my MSc in Electrical and Electronics Engineering. I am not a IT professional or a software developer, but the enthusiasm for Ubuntu brought me in to the Ubuntu community. And here is my wiki page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/maqtanim
[10:19] <maqtanim> BTW my nick name is maqtanim
[10:21] <udienz> btw, elky you forget to start metting
[10:21] <elky> #startmeeting
[10:21] <MootBot> Meeting started at 04:21. The chair is elky.
[10:21] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[10:22] <elky> that's part of me not actually being in an ideal position to lead the meeting
[10:22] <maqtanim> Shall I paste that again?
[10:22] <elky> no
[10:22] <elky> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/maqtanim
[10:22]  * elky glares at MootBot
[10:22] <elky> you were capturing those all by yourself the other day!
[10:23] <elky> [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/maqtanim
[10:23] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/maqtanim
[10:24] <elky> lifeless: freeflying, ejat, got any questions for maqtanim
[10:24] <ejat> maqtanim: anything else u want to share as enthuasiasm with us beside on the wiki?
[10:26] <ejat> maqtanim: r u there ?
[10:27] <elky> maqtanim, we're pressed for time as always, we need you to be attentive
[10:28] <elky> [action] putting discussion of maqtanim on hold until he returns
[10:28] <MootBot> ACTION received:  putting discussion of maqtanim on hold until he returns
[10:28] <elky> ogitux, i noticed you returned?
[10:28] <ogitux> yes elky
[10:29] <elky> ogitux, can you please introduce yourself and why you are applying for membership
[10:29] <ejat> ouch .. sorry ..
[10:29] <lifeless_> sorry, net disconnect
[10:29] <lifeless_> elky: I've lost 8 minutes
[10:29] <ejat> lifeless_: me too .. client crash :(
[10:29] <elky> lifeless, you didn't lose any content
[10:29] <ejat> done with maqtanim vote ?
[10:29] <lifeless_> 23:22 < maqtanim> Shall I paste that again?
[10:29] <elky> ejat, no, he's not responding, i postponed it
[10:29] <maco> no, maqtanim went mia
[10:29] <lifeless_> 23:22 < elky> no
[10:29] <lifeless_> 23:29 -!- lifeless_ [~robertc@122-63-10-108.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-meeting
[10:30] <ejat> elky: owh ok ..
[10:30] <lifeless_> ah
[10:30] <Mohan_chml> ejat: hes not responding
[10:30] <elky> ejat, we're never going to get through it otherwise
[10:30] <elky> an hour per applicant is giving us an awful backlog
[10:30] <ejat> elky: agreed
[10:30] <Ekushey> maqtanim is not here?
[10:30] <Ekushey> I'm here to support him
[10:31] <Mohan_chml> Ekushey: He is not responding
[10:31] <elky> maqtanim, he isn't responding, we'll finish when he returns
[10:31] <ejat> ogitux: as elky say .. can u please intro yaself n why r u applying for membership
[10:31] <elky> Ekushey, leave your testimony and we'll consider it if you have to leave
[10:31] <ogitux> My name Adnan Kashogi , I am Live in Indonesia , and I want join member ubuntu because i want study about operating system opensource
[10:31] <Ekushey> I think something is wrong with his connection
[10:31] <ovroniil> sorry I was disconnected
[10:31] <elky> Ekushey, that's fine, but time isn't waiting for it.
[10:32] <maqtannim> sorry I was disconnected
[10:32] <elky> there he is
[10:32] <elky> [action] resuming maqtanim's application
[10:32] <MootBot> ACTION received:  resuming maqtanim's application
[10:32] <lifeless_> I think freenode may have lost a server or something
[10:32] <elky> lifeless, yeah, rather uncleanly
[10:32] <Mohan_chml> ogitux: please wait for a second
[10:32] <ogitux> now I am study system information faculty on indonesia budiluhur university
[10:32] <elky> and there's the clean bit
[10:32] <lifeless_> ahha there it goes
[10:32] <ogitux> Mohan_chml: ok
[10:33] <maqtannim> sorry for that
[10:33] <ejat> maqtannim: is there anything else u wanna share with us beside at the wiki ?
[10:33] <Mohan_chml> elky: now ogitux is talking. I told him to wait
[10:33] <maqtannim> well...
[10:33] <maqtannim> I am a hobbyist
[10:33] <maqtannim> graphic designer
[10:33] <elky> Mohan_chml, i saw, thanks.
[10:33] <maqtannim> and designed some banners and poster
[10:33] <maqtannim> for ubuntu BAngladesh
[10:34] <maqtannim> that's all I think
[10:34] <maqtannim> :)
[10:35] <Ekushey> I vouch for maqtannim also as the founder of the ubuntu-bd loco and being a ubuntu member myself -- he has made a lot of contribution with bengali documentation, marketing, and taking care of all our graphics related work -- he's been doing this for a long time and he deserves to get a reward :)
[10:35] <Ekushey> *ommit also
[10:35] <ejat> maqtannim: r u involve virtually or gather in lug or loco meetup :)
[10:35] <maqtannim> ejat yes
[10:36] <elky> yes to which?
[10:36] <maqtannim> at #bangladesh
[10:36] <maqtannim> and
[10:36] <maqtannim> #ubuntu-bd
[10:36] <ejat> physically ?
[10:36] <maqtannim> not actually
[10:37] <maqtannim> because for my study
[10:37] <maqtannim> I am abroad right now
[10:37] <maqtannim> but within 3/4 months
[10:37] <maqtannim> i'll be back to my home again
[10:37] <maqtannim> after that I can join the monthly
[10:37] <maqtannim> meeting of Ubuntu Bangladesh
[10:38] <elky> lifeless: freeflying, any further questions?
[10:38] <lifeless> not I
[10:38] <ejat> as a founder of ubuntu-bd .. havent u think should have mini meetup or release party or small gathering should be good ? i mean before u go abroad .. :)
[10:39] <maqtannim> well I am not the founder actually
[10:39] <maqtannim> the founder is ekushey
[10:40] <maqtannim> * Ekushey
[10:40] <maqtannim> I am a member
[10:40] <maqtannim> current founder
[10:40] <maqtannim> and team leader
[10:40] <maqtannim> of Ubuntu Bangladesh
[10:40] <ejat> elky: should we vote ?
[10:40] <maqtannim> is in Bangladesh right now
[10:40] <ejat> lifeless: ?
[10:40] <ejat> freeflying: ?
[10:40] <elky> ejat, if freeflying is around still...
[10:40] <Ekushey> ejat sorry if I wasn't very clear, just woke up from sleep
[10:41] <ejat> Ekushey: :)
[10:42] <ejat> elky , lifeless .. only 3 of us ?
[10:42]  * elky headdesks
[10:42] <elky> ejat, we seem to have lost freeflying, yes
[10:42] <ejat> ouch ...
[10:42] <Ekushey> I strongly recommend maqtannim, as well as another guy in our team who'll apply for membership very soon -- being involved ubuntu-bd since 2006 this is the first time I'm vouching for someone from my country :)
[10:42]  * ejat scratching head ..... 
[10:43] <freeflying> elky: sorry, stuck at another business meeting
[10:43] <ejat> owh .. finally ..
[10:43] <ejat> freeflying: anything to ask ?
[10:43] <elky> freeflying, if we vote, do you think you can give decision?
[10:44]  * ejat how about u elky ? winks
[10:44] <elky> ejat, eh? i'm leading, of course i can
[10:44] <ejat> :) oppss my bad ..
[10:45] <ejat> shall we vote ? lifeless , elky , freeflying?
[10:45] <elky> [vote] maqtannim for membership
[10:45] <MootBot> Please vote on:  maqtannim for membership.
[10:45] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
[10:45] <MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting
[10:46] <elky> ejat?
[10:47] <udienz> ejat? lifeless? freeflying?
[10:47] <lifeless> udienz: yes?
[10:47] <elky> lifeless, can you vote on maqtannim?
[10:48] <lifeless> +1
[10:49] <MootBot> +1 received from lifeless. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[10:49] <lifeless> elky: can you ?
[10:49] <ejat> +1
[10:49] <MootBot> +1 received from ejat. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[10:49] <elky> lifeless, yea, but i have to close the vote, i'll do it then
[10:50] <ejat> kinda hard to decide ... :)
[10:51] <ejat> freeflying:  ?
[10:51] <lifeless> I have to go, ~midnight and I can't do justice to a candidate in 10 minutes.
[10:51] <elky> lifeless, i'd doubt we'd get through a candidate in that time.
[10:51] <ejat> lifeless: same goes with me ...
[10:53] <ejat> elky ... freeflying ?
[10:54] <Mohan_chml> hes waiting for freeflying
[10:56] <elky> vish, please stop that.
[10:57] <maqtannim> sorry I was disconnected again :(
[10:58] <elky> maqtannim, that's ok, we're waiting for freeflying to vote still
[11:00] <vish> elky: oops! netsplit and i mess'd up with a lot of commands :/
[11:01] <elky> vish, at least you didn't try identify
[11:02] <vish> heh, i hadnt grouped the evilvish nick hence my confusion..
[11:05] <e-jat> Ill on mobile...
[11:06] <Mohan_chml> Okies. I am leaving. bye o/
[11:07] <freeflying> ejat: I can;t vote, because I'm busy with other meeting sorry about it
[11:07] <elky> popey, are you around? Someone from another RMB?
[11:08] <maco> im around
[11:08] <ejat> maco ?
[11:08]  * maco reads scrollback
[11:08] <ejat> :)
[11:09] <maco> +1
[11:09] <MootBot> +1 received from maco. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
[11:09] <elky> +1
[11:09] <MootBot> +1 received from elky. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4
[11:09] <elky> [endvote]
[11:09] <MootBot> Final result is 4 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 4
[11:09] <elky> yaaaaaaaaay maqtannim
[11:09] <maqtannim> Thanks a lot guys :)
[11:09] <maqtannim> Thanks A lot
[11:09] <udienz> congrats mustaqim
[11:09] <maqtannim> :D
[11:09] <maqtannim> thanks udienz
[11:09] <maqtannim> :)
[11:10] <maqtannim> so what will be my next step?
[11:11] <udienz> mustaqim: we waiting for elky now. but i thinks times is up
[11:11] <ejat> congrate maqtannim
[11:11] <maqtannim> thanks ejat :)
[11:11]  * ejat thanks to maco too :) 
[11:12] <maco> maqtannim: next you will get an email saying you were added to the ubuntumembers team on launchpad, and in a little while an email alias will be activated for you
[11:12] <ejat> elky: so u would like to postpone the meeting or continue ?
[11:12] <maqtannim> thanks maco
[11:13] <ejat> maqtannim: hope u can continue ya afford contributing :)
[11:13] <maco> technically i think the meeting time is up...its been an hour
[11:13] <ejat> maco: yeah .
[11:13] <maqtannim> ejat : sure ...
[11:13] <maqtannim> you can count on me :)
[11:13] <maco> wow elky, you werent joking with <elky> an hour per applicant is giving us an awful backlog
[11:14] <ejat> maco: it base on experience .. thats y she can say like that .. it happened..
[11:14] <elky> the fun part is when people rip in to those of us who show up, because others didnt.
[11:15] <maco> how many of you are still active?
[11:15] <elky> enough, for quorum and then some, but not everyone is available every week
[11:15] <maco> ah
[11:16] <elky> for instance, vantrax is at a family function this week, i was travelling two meetings ago, lifeless often passes out before 11pm
[11:17] <elky> and then there's the case that several of our members are not in first world infrastructures and often lose internets
[11:17] <nobuto> Is the meeting closed?
[11:17] <elky> maco, we had at least two RMB applicants floating around who could have participated, but can't because the restaffing is held up
[11:17] <ejat> elky: end/close meeting ..
[11:17] <udienz> nobutp: not yet
[11:18] <elky> nobuto, yes sorry
[11:18] <elky> #endmeeting
[11:18] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 05:18.
[11:18] <ejat> :) ..
[11:18] <udienz> :)
[11:18] <maco> is that in the CC's hands?
[11:18] <elky> nobuto, sorry, we have quite a backlog and we're understaffed
[11:18] <elky> maco, yes
[11:18]  * maco holds tongue
[11:19] <nobuto> I hope I will be Ubuntu member in next meeting. 4th January?
[11:19] <ogitux> :D
[11:20] <elky> nobuto, that's when it'd be due, i can't guarantee everyone will be available though
[11:20] <maco> nobuto: what tz are you in?
[11:20] <nobuto> UTC+9:00
[11:20] <udienz> nobuto: japanese?
[11:20] <elky> ogitux, sorry, we'll get to you next time. if you can keep your irc nick up to date on the wiki page we won't miss you next time
[11:20] <nobuto> udienz: Yes.
[11:21]  * maco tries math
[11:22] <ogitux> elky: ok no problem
[11:22] <maco> 14 hours difference from here...oh so...
[11:22] <udienz> elky: i send emails to LoCo council about ubuntu-id
[11:22] <nobuto> maco: I'm in 20:21 now.
[11:22] <udienz> ah.. i'm forget to say hello to maco
[11:22] <udienz> hello maco
[11:22] <ogitux> elky: I am wait next meeting
[11:22] <maco> nobuto: the americas rmb meets in the late morning in your tz i think
[11:23] <elky> ogitux, alternatively you can try EMEA or the americas board
[11:23] <maco> nobuto: we dont have a backlog if you'd like to come to our meeting
[11:23] <maco> this month's has happened already but... 21 Jan is the next
[11:23] <udienz> elky: heh? EMEA? is that possible?
[11:24] <elky> udienz, sure, you don't ahve to be european or african to apply to it
[11:24] <ogitux> elky: I live indonesia region asia
[11:24] <maco> ogitux: the regional thing are more about timezone compatibility and possibility of translation
[11:24] <udienz> elky: ok thanks i will read fridge again
[11:24] <maco> (americas board had a meeting where we all pulled out our rusty high school spanish skills)
[11:25] <nobuto> maco: thanks. I will try it if i miss next AsiaOceania RMB.
[11:25] <ogitux> maco: owh ok thank for information
[11:25] <udienz> ogitux, http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar
[11:27] <maco> nobuto: i think its juu ji gozen
[11:27]  * maco needs to setup ibus on here
[11:27] <nobuto> maco: thaks and you have nice Japanese skills :)
[11:28] <maco> arigatou gazaimasu. demo, chotto nihongo wo hanasemasu ;)
[11:28] <maco> s/wo/ga/
[11:29] <maco> i need practice
[11:30] <maqtannim> well I don't know how the board is formed
[11:30] <maqtannim> but I think there should be
[11:30] <maqtannim> some extra seat in the board
[11:30] <maqtannim> specially board like asia ocenia
[11:31] <udienz> :)
[11:31] <maqtannim> where there is different TZ
[11:31] <maqtannim> like the football team :)
[11:32] <maqtannim> so that there is always a strong chance of fulfilling the quoram
[11:33] <maco> there are two open spots on the board, as elky mentioned
[11:33] <maco> there are two people for the spots but their approval is still pending
[11:34] <elky> maqtannim, some terms ended and the cc hasn't sorted out the restaffing yet. other boards are in a similar predicament, but i suspect with fewer timezones to trip over.
[11:36] <maqtannim> hmm...
[11:37] <maco> we're one short but only have 4 timezones to care about usually
[11:39] <maqtanim> I guess asia-ocenia region is the largest one
[11:40] <maqtanim> so more frequent meeting should be scheduled
[11:40] <maqtanim> for this region
[11:40] <maqtanim> I mean for this board
[11:41] <e-jat> :)
[11:41] <udienz> maqtanim: agreed
[11:45] <elky> maqtanim, it's not the frequency that's the problem. we can't get enough board staff twice a month, i don't think we'd get them for four times a month
[11:46] <maqtanim> elky, I did not think it that way :P
[11:46] <maqtanim> my bad :P
[11:49] <elky> (also, i like having some weeknights for me :P)
[11:49] <maco> 日本語 <-- i got ibus working!
[16:06] <hallyn> \o
[16:06] <SpamapS> o/
[16:07] <SpamapS> zul: are you here? Otherwise I get the honors.
[16:08] <SpamapS> #startmeeting
[16:08] <MootBot> Meeting started at 10:08. The chair is SpamapS.
[16:08] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[16:08] <SpamapS> [TOPIC] motion to adjourn meeting and carry all items forward to next meeting
[16:08] <MootBot> New Topic:  motion to adjourn meeting and carry all items forward to next meeting
[16:09] <hallyn> @vote 1
[16:09] <hallyn> #vote 1
[16:09] <hallyn> or somesuch
[16:09] <SpamapS> alright, seconded. All opposed, nay, all in favor aye.
[16:09] <SpamapS> aye
[16:09] <hallyn> #vote +1
[16:09] <hallyn> aye
[16:10] <SpamapS> very well, the aye's have it.
[16:10] <SpamapS> [TOPIC] Announce next meeting date and time
[16:10] <MootBot> New Topic:  Announce next meeting date and time
[16:12] <SpamapS> Tuesday, Jan 4 2011, 16:00 UTC
[16:12] <hallyn> ttx is being all silent-like :)
[16:12] <hallyn> ta-ta
[16:12] <SpamapS> #endmeeting
[16:12] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 10:12.
[16:13] <ttx> haha
[16:13] <SpamapS> thanks everybody!
[16:13] <ttx> you're too fast for me
[16:13] <hggdh> ~ô~
[16:13] <hggdh> oops
[16:13] <hggdh> too late
[17:45] <fagan> wendar: we have a meeting here in 15 right?
[17:59]  * fagan *waves*
[18:00] <fagan> oh damn was it yesterday
[18:00] <fagan> crap
[18:00] <wendar> hi fagan
[18:00] <fagan> wendar: is it today or did I get it mixed up
[18:00] <wendar> it's today, and now
[18:01] <wendar> will ping the others
[18:01] <fagan> oh ok I got confused there for a sec since you sent your email on monday in ireland and said tomorrow
[18:02] <statik> hello
[18:02] <fagan> statik: hey
[18:02] <wendar> fagan: yes, I used "tomorrow" because the meetings are on Tuesday for most of us but Wednesday down-under
[18:02] <fagan> yeah I just got that
[18:05]  * wendar double-checking to see if 3 out of 6 counts as a quorum
[18:05] <stgraber> hey everyone
[18:05] <fagan> stgraber: hey
[18:05] <stgraber> I'm at around 50% here (multi-tasking) :)
[18:06] <wendar> excellent,
[18:06] <wendar> and, 3 or more votes is enough, and now we've got 4
[18:06] <wendar> #startmeeting
[18:06] <MootBot> Meeting started at 12:06. The chair is wendar.
[18:06] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[18:06] <wendar> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AppReviewBoard/Agenda
[18:06] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AppReviewBoard/Agenda
[18:07] <wendar> [TOPIC] Action review
[18:07] <MootBot> New Topic:  Action review
[18:07] <wendar> I had an action item from the last meeting to start the wiki pages.
[18:08] <wendar> I've got two up now, one main landing page (just a start), and an agenda page for our meetings
[18:08] <wendar> I need to start on the submissions info page
[18:08] <statik> thanks for working on those wendar
[18:08] <wendar> (I figure we'll all end up contributing to it)
[18:09] <fagan> well im pretty good at documenting stuff so ill make sure to help out there
[18:09] <wendar> excellent
[18:10] <wendar> the other action items we carried away were helping the developers through the proposal process
[18:10] <wendar> How is that going for everyone?
[18:10] <statik> I had an action to work with the pytask developer, and have massively failed to make progress
[18:10] <statik> I will make progress this week
[18:11] <fagan> ive been a little busy with christmas tests for college but ill take on one of the packages this week
[18:12] <wendar> I managed to help the SIR developer through to a final solution, but didn't feel like I spent enough time on it. I would like to be more responsive.
[18:12] <wendar> fagan: did you take one from the last meeting? or would you be available to take the new submission we got last week?
[18:12] <fagan> wendar: nope didnt take one
[18:12] <fagan> ill take the new one
[18:13] <wendar> fagan: okay great
[18:13] <fagan> christmas break I have time to burn :)
[18:13] <wendar> christmas holidays are great for that :)
[18:13] <wendar> are there other actions to review, before we move on to the specific proposals?
[18:14] <fagan> ive got nothign
[18:14] <fagan> *nothing
[18:14] <wendar> okay
[18:14] <wendar> [TOPIC] Proposal Review - Suspended Sentence
[18:14] <MootBot> New Topic:  Proposal Review - Suspended Sentence
[18:14] <wendar> [LINK] https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-app-review-board/+bug/675033
[18:15] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-app-review-board/+bug/675033
[18:15] <wendar> stgraber: you were following up on this one, what's the current status of the application?
[18:16] <stgraber> I did the review yesterday, packaging looks good, left a comment in the bug but nothing major
[18:16] <stgraber> as far as I'm concerned, the package is fine
[18:17] <wendar> are we ready to vote on it?
[18:17]  * fagan has a quick look over for a sec
[18:17] <statik> i'm ready
[18:17] <stgraber> yep
[18:17] <fagan> yep
[18:18] <wendar> [VOTE] To approve Suspended Sentence
[18:18] <MootBot> Please vote on:  To approve Suspended Sentence.
[18:18] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
[18:18] <MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting
[18:18] <wendar> +1
[18:18] <MootBot> +1 received from wendar. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[18:18] <fagan> +1
[18:18] <MootBot> +1 received from fagan. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[18:18] <stgraber> +1
[18:18] <statik> +1
[18:18] <MootBot> +1 received from stgraber. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
[18:18] <MootBot> +1 received from statik. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4
[18:19] <wendar> [ENDVOTE]
[18:19] <MootBot> Final result is 4 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 4
[18:19] <wendar> great
[18:19] <fagan> yep good
[18:19] <wendar> stgraber: you'll be following up with the developer?
[18:19] <stgraber> yep
[18:19] <wendar> cool
[18:19] <wendar> [TOPIC] Proposal Review - PyTask
[18:19] <MootBot> New Topic:  Proposal Review - PyTask
[18:19] <wendar> [LINK] https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-app-review-board/+bug/684341
[18:19] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-app-review-board/+bug/684341
[18:20] <statik> There has been no progress on this and its entirely my fault
[18:20] <fagan> I had a good look over the code and its all good on the front
[18:21] <wendar> there was a Quickly bug blocking release last time, but that shouldn't necessarily block us from approving the app
[18:21] <statik> I haven't managed to carefully review the packaging on this one yet as I had promised to do last time
[18:21] <fagan> well id be happy to vote on it now since its just the quickly bug
[18:22] <fagan> can we have a quick look over it and see if anything sticks out?
[18:22] <statik> sure
[18:24] <fagan> nothing is jumping out at me
[18:24] <fagan> other than the /opt thing
[18:24] <wendar> does it install in /opt now?
[18:25] <fagan> wendar: well thats a quickly bug that didrocks is working on
[18:25] <fagan> im not sure if its fixed yet
[18:25] <wendar> rickspencer3 says it's fixed, but may not have gone through SRU yet
[18:26] <wendar> checking with mterry now
[18:26] <statik> there's also some small things like invalid email address in changelog
[18:26] <fagan> ah thats it then
[18:26] <statik> what did we decide about manpages, required or not required?
[18:26] <wendar> that's the quickly bug, I mean, not the /opt install
[18:27] <wendar> manpages are not required
[18:27] <fagan> then I cant really see anything stopping voting
[18:27] <wendar> some form of user help is desirable, but in App is fine
[18:27] <fagan> we can get the developer to fix the email thing
[18:28] <wendar> [LINK] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/quickly-widgets/+bug/638149
[18:28] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/quickly-widgets/+bug/638149
[18:28] <wendar> That's the quickly bug
[18:28] <wendar> How about voting now, and say release is pending the SRU of the Quickly fix, and verification that the package installs in /opt?
[18:28] <fagan> oh is that going to be a SRU?
[18:29] <fagan> wendar: yeah that seems o k
[18:29] <fagan> *ok
[18:29] <wendar> yes, and until the SRU goes through, Pytask will crash
[18:29] <fagan> we can vote for it and hold until the SRU
[18:30] <statik> I think it's going to be tough to do conditional votes
[18:30] <statik> My vote would be -1 as long as the version in the PPA has problems
[18:30] <wendar> as in, it's better to make the vote a final approval, and the app instantly goes into the repo after that?
[18:31] <statik> thats my preference, yes
[18:31] <wendar> that does give us a sane review point to make sure the conditions were met
[18:31] <statik> because if a new version is uploaded it needs at least a trivial re-review
[18:31] <wendar> yes
[18:31] <statik> and from what I understand we are voting on a specific version
[18:31] <wendar> others thoughts?
[18:31] <statik> I feel bad I didn't manage to get in touch last week with the developer, the remaining issues seem easily solved but do need a new upload
[18:32] <wendar> (to a certain extent we're deciding on our process here, this is something to add to the information page)
[18:32] <fagan> well I suppose we should wait for the quickly-widgets SRU
[18:32] <fagan> rather than have to do a rereview later
[18:33] <wendar> stgraber: thoughts on making voting a "final say"?
[18:33] <statik> and I need to ask the developer to do a new upload fixing things so they install in /opt, fixing the copyright file, and fixing the email address in changelog (and possibly other things, i've only done a superficial review to so far)
[18:34] <statik> i will be sure to get in touch with the developer today or tomorrow to offer encouragement and get these things fixed
[18:34] <fagan> well id presume that rick and mterry would be helping with this one
[18:34] <wendar> statik: sounds good
[18:34] <fagan> so he'll have a good bit of help
[18:35] <statik> cool
[18:35] <wendar> on to the next one?
[18:35] <wendar> [TOPIC] Proposal Review - SIR
[18:35] <fagan> sure we have loads of time
[18:35] <MootBot> New Topic:  Proposal Review - SIR
[18:35] <wendar> [LINK] https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-app-review-board/+bug/644066
[18:35] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-app-review-board/+bug/644066
[18:36] <wendar> this one is on my plate
[18:36] <wendar> It's in a similar state, it needs a new PPA upload
[18:37] <wendar> I have resolved all the packaging issues in a patch, but only got the developer the final patch yesterday, so he hasn't had time to process and reupload.
[18:37] <fagan> well that seems ok
[18:37] <wendar> sticking with "voting as the final say", we're not ready to vote on it yet
[18:38] <wendar> but, by next meeting it should be fine to go through
[18:38] <fagan> yeah
[18:38] <statik> cool. wendar, would you be willing to forward me the patch so I could learn from what you did?
[18:39] <wendar> statik: it's linked in the ticket
[18:39]  * statik should learn to read
[18:39] <wendar> pretty small changes, mostly just packaging fixes and a quilt patch to modify the install locations in the source
[18:39] <fagan> there is a lot of code to review there anyway
[18:39] <wendar> statik: (the second patch, rather than the first patch, because it uses quilt)
[18:40] <wendar> fagan: yes
[18:41] <wendar> [TOPIC] Proposal Review - simple-stopwatch
[18:41] <MootBot> New Topic:  Proposal Review - simple-stopwatch
[18:41] <wendar> [LINK] https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-app-review-board/+bug/665543
[18:41] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-app-review-board/+bug/665543
[18:42] <wendar> ajmitch took this one, and isn't at the meeting today
[18:42] <fagan> where is the code for this one?
[18:42] <wendar> I don't see any progress on it in the ticket
[18:42] <wendar> [LINK] https://launchpad.net/~stefano-palazzo/+archive/stefano-testing
[18:42] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://launchpad.net/~stefano-palazzo/+archive/stefano-testing
[18:43] <fagan> well the package is there but where is the code repo?
[18:43] <fagan> it doesnt seem to be on launchpad
[18:43] <statik> is having a code repo a requirement?
[18:43] <fagan> well id like to have a look at the code to see what its doing
[18:44] <stgraber> fagan: can't you take the .orig.tar.gz ?
[18:44] <fagan> ah forgot about doing that
[18:44] <fagan> its just a pain
[18:44] <statik> oh yes, i totally agree we should look at the code
[18:45] <fagan> could we add that to the wiki?
[18:45] <stgraber> well, I don't think we can make having a bzr branch on LP a requirement. Though we can probably say that the .orig.tar.gz should come from somewhere (either an upstream tarball or a branch)
[18:46] <wendar> fagan: add a requirement for having some way to look at the code? yes
[18:46] <fagan> well it doesnt have to be on launchpad
[18:46] <stgraber> well, with how PPA work, you always have a way to look at the code as it's impossible to do binary uploads
[18:46] <fagan> like I wouldnt mind if it was a hosted git repo or a google code svn repo or something
[18:47] <stgraber> it'd just be great to ask that the .orig.tar.gz comes from some upstream website or from a branch hosted somewhere (LP, github, ...)
[18:48] <wendar> maybe discuss that on the mailing list?
[18:48] <wendar> since it's an added requirement?
[18:48] <fagan> yeah thats a good idea
[18:48] <stgraber> yep
[18:48] <fagan> wendar: would it be something that would need TB approval?
[18:49] <fagan> or is process stuff our domain?
[18:49] <wendar> fagan: no, we're free to add extra requirements, it's just relaxing their requirements we need approval for
[18:49] <stgraber> adding a criteria probably doesn't need TB approval, removing one does though (at least it's my understanding)
[18:49] <stgraber> well, whatever wendar said ;)
[18:49] <wendar> yah, same thing
[18:50] <fagan> ok thats cool then
[18:50] <fagan> just thought I should ask
[18:50] <statik> I don't think we should impose requirements on an app that they publish a branch, although it's fine to suggest it as a good practice. the requirement should just be that it's open source, i.e. no binary blobs (like PDFs) in the orig.tar.gz
[18:51] <stgraber> I've got to rush to another meeting (sorry for that). Just before that, I'm currently looking at Suspended Sentence and was wondering if we had any criteria for the version number to use in the extras repo ?
[18:51] <fagan> statik: well we could add a note or something to the end of the wiki saying adding the code to a repo would be good
[18:51] <stgraber> current version number is 1.0.1-0extras1~ppa3
[18:51] <wendar> the open source requirement is already there, so it may be a matter of explaining what that means
[18:51] <wendar> stgraber why "0extras1"?
[18:51] <statik> fagan: yep, no objection to making recommendations but I would be troubled if we rejected an app where the developer chose not to publish a branch
[18:51] <wendar> shouldn't that be "0ubuntu1"?
[18:51] <wendar> we don't do "0universe1"
[18:52] <stgraber> wendar: I don't know, that's what Stefano used :)
[18:52] <wendar> and I would think drop the ~ppa before release
[18:52] <fagan> statik: oh no I wouldnt really support rejecting anything for not adding their repo to the bug report
[18:52] <wendar> stgraber: yes, SIR used "0maverick1"
[18:52] <wendar> but, I do think we should stick to standard naming there
[18:53] <stgraber> I'm find with whatever we use as long as it's consistent
[18:53] <stgraber> and so far, I couldn't find any consistency :)
[18:53] <fagan> yeah im with stgraber here
[18:53] <fagan> :)
[18:53] <statik> me too
[18:53] <stgraber> daily-journal (currently in extras) uses <version>+newapps7
[18:54] <stgraber> which I found quite weird
[18:54] <fagan> yeah that is a little strange
[18:54] <statik> stgraber: is that a commercial app?
[18:54] <wendar> agreed, that's just strange
[18:55] <stgraber> statik: don't know, that's the only thing currently in extras.ubuntu.com (which we didn't approve, AFAIK)
[18:55] <wendar> seems sensible to stick with the REVU standards there, until we have some compelling reason to change it
[18:55] <statik> how curious
[18:55] <fagan> wasnt that a test upload?
[18:56] <stgraber> well, if it was a test upload I'd think it should have been removed before being publicly accessible :)
[18:56] <fagan> ill look into it and see what it is
[18:56] <wendar> will note that as an action item for next meeting
[18:57] <wendar> final proposal
[18:57] <stgraber> as we don't allow extras packages that are in the distro, it doesn't make sense to use the -0ubuntu1 version number (where 0 is debian version and 1 is ubuntu version)
[18:57] <wendar> [TOPIC] Proposal Review - 4dtris
[18:57] <MootBot> New Topic:  Proposal Review - 4dtris
[18:57] <wendar> [LINK] https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-app-review-board/+bug/691347
[18:57] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-app-review-board/+bug/691347
[18:57] <wendar> brand new, so no action now
[18:57] <stgraber> anyway, got ro run, sorry guys
[18:57] <wendar> but fagan has agreed to adopt it
[18:57] <wendar> stgraber: me too in 5 mins
[18:57] <wendar> stgraber: thanks!
[18:57] <fagan> this one is the new one?
[18:58] <wendar> yes, it just came in on the 16th
[18:58] <fagan> yeah ill take that
[18:58] <wendar> thanks!
[18:58] <fagan> ill start on it tomorrow
[18:59] <wendar> [TOPIC] Rotating meeting chair
[18:59] <MootBot> New Topic:  Rotating meeting chair
[18:59] <fagan> yeah id say rotating chair is good
[18:59] <wendar> I added this item to the agenda, it's something the TechBoard does, rotating who chairs the meeting
[19:00] <statik> I'm in favor of rotating chair
[19:00] <fagan> we could talk about this on the mailing list since we dont have everyone
[19:00] <wendar> so far the responsibility seems to include: reminding people about the meeting, pinging them when the meeting is set to start, and entering the mootbot items for the meeting
[19:00] <statik> probably building the agenda page too
[19:00] <wendar> fagan: yes, good idea, since not everyone is here yet
[19:01] <wendar> uh, change "yet" to "this week"
[19:01] <wendar> that's all I have, any further comments, questions, etc?
[19:01] <fagan> nope good meeting
[19:02] <statik> thanks for organizing this wendar
[19:02] <fagan> yeah thanks wendar
[19:02] <wendar> that's a wrap, thanks all!
[19:02] <wendar> #endmeeting
[19:02] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 13:02.
[19:02] <statik> i'm excited to see how it goes with getting suspended sentence published
[19:02] <fagan> yeah glad to see it getting started
[19:02] <wendar> yes, nice to get one moving out the door
[19:03] <fagan> bye all :)
[19:03]  * fagan goes back to buffy the vampire slayer :P
[19:13] <tumbleweed> statik: heh, yeah, thanks guys. Nice to have the first approval :P
[19:14] <tumbleweed> (although I'm not the target market)
[19:14] <statik> tumbleweed: thanks for priming the pump :)
[20:29] <leoquant> !schedule
[20:29] <sense> !agenda
[20:29] <sense> ?
[20:30] <sense> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar
[21:00] <UndiFineD> \o/
[21:01] <sense> o/
[21:02] <hajour> \o/
[21:02] <Ronnie> \o/
[21:02] <leoquant> o/
[21:03] <RawChid> _o_
[21:03]  * UndiFineD paints the room orange
[21:04] <leoquant> czajkowski, do we have a meeting?
[21:05] <nhandler> czajkowski has been traveling and is idle almost 6 hours. It doesn't look like she is around
[21:05] <sense> czajkowski: http://twitter.com/#!/czajkowski/status/17324307415834624
[21:05] <sense> whoops
[21:05] <sense> leoquant: http://twitter.com/#!/czajkowski/status/17324307415834624
[21:05] <leoquant> thx sense
[21:07] <paultag> Sorry I'm late
[21:07] <nhandler> paultag: You haven't missed anything
[21:07] <paultag> great :)
[21:07] <paultag> thanks for the ping nhandler
[21:08] <paultag> Is anyone chairing?
[21:08] <UndiFineD> Qapla'
[21:08] <sense> leogg, itnet7, popey: ping
[21:09] <paultag> Shucks. I'm just going to start it, and move the vote to the mailing list.
[21:09] <leogg> I'm over here! o/
[21:09] <paultag> #startmeeting
[21:09] <MootBot> Meeting started at 15:09. The chair is paultag.
[21:09] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[21:09] <paultag> leogg: :)
[21:10] <paultag> [TOPIC] DutchTeam Re-Approval
[21:10] <MootBot> New Topic:  DutchTeam Re-Approval
[21:10] <paultag> Fantastic, who's here :)
[21:10] <Gotiniens> I
[21:10] <Ronnie> \o/
[21:10] <JanC> o/
[21:10] <leoquant> o/
[21:10] <UndiFineD> \o/
[21:10]  * sense is the LoCo Contact here.
[21:10]  * UndiFineD paints the room orange
[21:10] <hajour> 0/
[21:10] <paultag> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DutchTeamApprovalApplication
[21:10]  * Gotiniens adds some red white blue to the room
[21:10] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DutchTeamApprovalApplication
[21:11] <paultag> [LINK] http://ubuntu-nl.org/
[21:11] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://ubuntu-nl.org/
[21:11] <paultag> [LINK] https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-nl
[21:11] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-nl
[21:11] <paultag> Great! :)
[21:11] <paultag> sense: So, let's hear a bit about your team
[21:11] <sense> paultag: alright
[21:12] <sense> Ubuntu Nederland is a LoCo with history. We started in 2004 as a small community of Dutch meeting on the internet, and soon in 'real life'.
[21:13] <sense> We've grown to a large community that manifests itself mostly on the internet, with a forum of 22000 members, and organise a few activities every year.
[21:13] <sense> The largest group is the forum, which is the support and chat forum for all Dutch speaking Ubuntu users.
[21:13] <paultag> Great!
[21:13] <sense> We offer support on IRC, and on a mailing list as well.
[21:13] <paultag> sense: I see you do Translation work, can you talk a bit about that?
[21:15] <sense> Due to the fact that Dutch is not bound to one country, and due to historical reasons, the translation team is a part of the Dutch Ubuntu community, but not as much a structural part of the LoCo. However, there are no separate communities.
[21:15] <sense> The translators are working together with Debian and GNOME translators.
[21:15] <sense> They organise real life or digital sprints for every release.
[21:15] <sense> Since the Dutch translations in Compiz were orphaned they are working on that as well.
[21:15] <paultag> sense: do you know offhand what percent is translated?
[21:16] <sense> paultag: I can look that up real quick on Launchpad.
[21:16] <sense> but we're doing pretty well
[21:16] <leogg> sense: how about meetings? do you have regular meetings on IRC or IRL?
[21:16] <paultag> sense: it's OK, no need to look it up :)
[21:16] <UndiFineD> http://wiki.ubuntu-nl.org/community/Vertaalteam/Status
[21:16] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://wiki.ubuntu-nl.org/community/Vertaalteam/Status
[21:16] <sense> NB: Vertaal is Dutch for translate
[21:16] <paultag> thanks UndiFineD :)
[21:17] <sense> Ubuntu Nederland is currently undergoing a process of reorganisation. Our governance is very unstructured. We do, however, have monthly IRC meetings that are open to everyone.
[21:17] <sense> There is no formalised decision-making process active, but we're working on that.
[21:17] <sense> The new governance structure should be adopted in January 2011.
[21:18] <sense> To discuss this we have a real-life meeting at 16 January.
[21:18] <leogg> sense: nice!
[21:18] <hajour> great
[21:18] <paultag> sense: How are your team reports?
[21:19] <paultag> I really like the "ledenkaart" -- Is that code Open Sourced?
[21:20] <sense> paultag: We have slowly been starting with using team reports, in Dutch. The report of this month (currently being written) is located at <http://wiki.ubuntu-nl.org/community/Meetings/Meeting20101210/VoortgangTeams>.
[21:21] <Ronnie> the 'ledenkaart' has an old version on launchpad, im working on a new one tough: http://www.allesoverlinux.nl/ubuntu/kaart/ (which is open source)
[21:21] <paultag> sense: you might want to consider copying them to the ubuntu wiki in the team reporting framework to make sure you get included in the snapshots :)
[21:21] <paultag> Ronnie: looks great!
[21:21] <leogg> sense: I don't see any events in 2010?
[21:22] <sense> leogg: There certainly were events in 2010. Where are they missing?
[21:22] <sense> paultag: Ronnie is doing a lot of work on making Ubuntu NL's website available on Launchpad.
[21:22] <sense> amongst other things
[21:22] <leogg> sense: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DutchTeamApprovalApplication
[21:23] <JanC> leogg: there is the release party in Ede
[21:23] <sense> leogg: It must have gone missing. :S I'm sure there used to be a part about the large 10.04 release party in May this year there.
[21:23] <sense> That was organised in cooperation with HCC!.
[21:23] <Gotiniens> search for HCC! on that page and you will find it
[21:23] <nhandler> /5/window balance
[21:23] <sense> There are events in the Loco Directory, and on releaseparty.eu
[21:23] <JanC> as well as 2 other release parties listed
[21:24] <sense> http://releaseparty.eu is the shared website to list releaseparties of Ubuntu BE and Ubuntu NL.
[21:24] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://releaseparty.eu is the shared website to list releaseparties of Ubuntu BE and Ubuntu NL.
[21:24] <paultag> Ah, I see it
[21:24] <paultag> thanks sense :)
[21:24] <sense> http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-nl
[21:24] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-nl
[21:24] <leogg> JanC, sense yep, I can see it now, but they're a bit difficult to find in the application
[21:24] <sense> Ah, we should have made them more visible.
[21:24] <paultag> [LINK] http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-nl/events/history
[21:24] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-nl/events/history
[21:25] <paultag> sense: good to see you're working with the LD :)
[21:25] <sense> paultag: Most of the work there is being done by community members who are involved in the events now, I can't do much because my changed Launchpad username broke things in the LD.
[21:25] <paultag> Ahha
[21:25] <sense> I don't get the right permissions.
[21:26] <paultag> OK. Well, I have no more questions. Anyone else?
[21:26] <leogg> It seems to me that you're a pretty solid team, but you need to work more on meetings and reports
[21:27] <hajour> new dutch python teacher https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ChrisDruif
[21:27] <sense> leogg: That is our weakness indeed.
[21:27] <paultag> Going once!
[21:27] <leogg> sense: :)
[21:27] <paultag> Twice!
[21:27] <paultag> Thrice!
[21:27] <sense> leogg: : http://sensehofstede.nl/organisatievoorstel-voor-ubuntu-nederland-versie-0-2 aims to solve those things, amongst otherproblems.
[21:27] <paultag> Alrighty. We'll move the vote to the Mailing List sense, I just filed a bug that you're subscribed to
[21:28] <sense> paultag: OK, thanks.
[21:28] <paultag> sense: thank you!
[21:28] <sense> paultag: The vote will happen on the mailing list?
[21:28] <paultag> sense: yes, but it will be logged on the bug, you'll see it :)
[21:28] <sense> ok, great
[21:28] <paultag> sense: we'll be sure to CC you with stuff you can forward
[21:29] <RawChid> Can we also subscribe to that bug?
[21:29] <paultag> Great, any other items for the LoCo Council?
[21:29] <hajour> new dutch beginners team mwanzo
[21:29] <paultag> RawChid: it's private, for now. We'll subscribe any other administrators, and we'll release it as public after it's complete :)
[21:29] <sense> paultag: The agenda is outdated, it still says the next meeting is in november. :)
[21:30] <paultag> :P
[21:30] <paultag> Alright, well, I'll shut down this meeting. We can re-open it if someone comes in panic'd :)
[21:30] <paultag> Thanks, all!
[21:30] <RawChid> Oke
[21:30] <paultag> #endmeeting
[21:30] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 15:30.
[21:30] <leogg> sense: that's *our* weakness... not updating agendas :)
[21:30] <paultag> thanks, sense, and Ubuntu-NL!
[21:30] <sense> Thanks everyone for attending and listening.
[21:30] <leogg> thank you guys!
[21:31] <sense> you're welcome
[21:31] <Ronnie> huray for the loco counsil \o/
[21:32] <hajour> o/
[21:32] <hajour> \o/
[21:33] <hajour> hai all
[21:34] <sense> I'm going offline now, good bye everyone.