[00:00] <akk> But I'm not asking so much about how to do the version control. I'm asking which files (of the huge eclipse workspace) do you include, and in what structure?
[00:00] <jdeslip> The instructions here might help you: http://doc.bazaar.canonical.com/latest/en/mini-tutorial/
[00:00] <akk> Version control and hosting I can figure out -- I have lots of non-Android opensource.
[00:00] <jdeslip> If you go to the launchpad page for my emusic app (linked above) you can browse the code and see what I included.
[00:01] <akk> I don't see any mention of android or eclipse on that bzr page.
[00:01] <jdeslip> I basically included all the files that would be necessary for someone else to run the code with or without eclipse
[00:01] <jdeslip> (so, I didn't include any eclipse specific stuff)
[00:02] <jdeslip> https://launchpad.net/emusicdownloader (then click on code tab)
[00:02] <akk> Yep, looking.
[00:02] <akk> So you pretty much make that decision by hand, which things are eclipse specific vs. not?
[00:03] <akk> (I'm very new to eclipse, so I haven't figured out what a lot of these directories are.)
[00:04] <jdeslip> Well, I don't actually use eclipse.  I do have a set up and everything, just mostly use vi ;)
[00:04] <akk> I'll definitely switch eventually. I don't much like IDEs.
[00:04] <jdeslip> If I remember right, even in eclipse those files I committed should be present and all you need to import the poject.
[00:05] <jdeslip> Doesn't eclipse just add a bunch of . files?
[00:05] <akk> But as an android newbie I'm actually finding eclipse's tips helpful (once I turned off the thoroughly awful "Content Assist"
[00:05] <jdeslip> (i.e. all eclipse specific files are . (or hidden) files
[00:05] <akk> I seem to have a lot of dirs you don't have in that project.
[00:05] <jdeslip> like which ones?
[00:06] <akk> assets, gen and bin
[00:07] <akk> bin is where the apk ends up
[00:07] <akk> but it has a ton of other stuff too
[00:07] <jdeslip> ah, those are generated after you compile
[00:07] <Eureka> wiki: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Menu edited
[00:07] <jdeslip> if you do, "ant clean" - I think those should go away.
[00:09] <jdeslip> I do have bin and gen anyway after a compile - assets I think is needed if you include other fonts etc that are not standard.  I guess you should also commit assets if it is not empty.
[00:10] <akk> Ah, turns out assets is empty for mine.
[00:11] <akk> And gen is probably not needed -- it contains R.java which I think was generated (from main.xml, maybe?)
[00:12] <jdeslip> Yes, I gen is not needed.  It will be recreated each time you compile (or run ant install on the command line)
[00:13] <jdeslip> same with bin
[00:13] <jdeslip> I think the only files needed are the ones I committed. Others have been able to check out my repo and run the code anyway...
[00:13] <akk> Cool, sounds like I can just copy the dirs you're using and that'll be enough.
[00:15] <Eureka> wiki: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/WebsiteTeam edited
[00:16] <akk> jdeslip: ooh, arxiv droid is yours too -- I saw that in the store (think I was searching for astronomy) and wondered what it was.
[00:16] <jdeslip> Ya, that's mine. arXiv.org is basically like an "open-source" scientific journal.
[00:17] <akk> Yep, I know about arXiv, just wasn't sure what the droid app did.
[00:17] <akk> Just download the latest articles?
[00:17] <akk> arXiv rocks.
[00:17] <jdeslip> Ya, you can browse and download/read the latest articles.  And also search the complete arXiv collection by author / title etc..
[00:17] <jdeslip> They have a pretty nice API - so writing the app was easy :)
[00:18] <jdeslip> I use it on the Bus every morning to see what is new in my field
[00:19] <akk> Very cool.
[00:19] <akk> That's sort of like what my feed reader is for, only much more specialized/technical.
[00:19] <akk> Do you read the papers as PDF?
[00:20] <jdeslip> Ya - arxiv droid downloads the pdfs and then opens them in whatever pdf reader app the user has installed.  If no pdf reader is installed it tells the user to get Adobe Reader from the market.
[00:21] <jdeslip> I suppose some sort of mobile optimized reading experience would be better - maybe in version 2.0 ;)
[00:21] <jdeslip> But the PDFs generally look good enough on my phone
[00:23] <jdeslip> akk: are you an astronomer?
[00:25] <akk> Just amateur.
[00:26] <akk> What's your field?
[00:28] <jdeslip> I'm a grad-student in Condensed Matter Physics
[00:29] <akk> Nice.
[00:29] <akk> Serious stuff. :)
[00:32] <jdeslip> Well, I get to a lot of fun computational stuff on super-computers etc...
[00:32] <jdeslip> Although, it is all in Fortran :/
[00:32] <akk> that is a drawback
[00:33] <akk> Some day science will switch languages.
[00:33] <akk> I talked to somebody at the USGS about a job translating data formats ... also using fortran (for string processing!)
[00:33] <jdeslip> Ya, some people have started using python actually.  And just calling libraries for the expensive stuff.
[00:34] <jdeslip> String processing in Fortran... that doesn't seem to make sense ;)
[00:34] <akk> Stuff like array processing on supercomputers probably still makes sense in Fortran. It's a really easy language to optimize, AIUI.
[01:01] <pleia2> gosh, I'll never get used to this city, I get an email from Seesmic and at the bottom is their address, in SF! they are just a couple miles away!
[01:01] <pleia2> this happens all the time now
[01:02]  * pleia2 can probably toss rocks off the roof and hit github's SF office
[01:02] <pleia2> but I wont, because github is good :)
[05:24] <The_Letter_M> Hello All
[05:24] <sn9> hi
[05:27] <The_Letter_M> Anyone seen (Ebox) Mark online lately?
[05:29] <jtatum> hmm
[05:31] <The_Letter_M> I need Ebox help and the Ebox & Zentyal chans are useless
[05:39] <The_Letter_M> perhaps somebody else would like to take a shot at my Q?
[05:44] <The_Letter_M> So I set up Zentyal on a fresh install of 10.04. I set up a UN and PW and then installed Zentyal from the PPA
[05:44] <The_Letter_M> I then log into Zentyal using the UN and PW I set up in Ubuntu and then set Zentyal up for Filesharing and set up some users
[05:45] <The_Letter_M> Now, the oter users can all log into the FS and access the shares but the UN I set up in Ubuntu cannot and I cannot ad it to Zentyal as a user either
[05:45] <The_Letter_M> it says the UN and PW already exist
[05:48] <The_Letter_M> Anyone know how I can import that account into Zentyal?
[06:00] <iheartubuntu> incredible. i was just using TeamViewer on my new iphone to access my Ubuntu desktop.
[06:01] <iheartubuntu> was able to even open up games, terminal, folders, etc no prob
[06:01] <iheartubuntu> could literally help people from anywhere (or in my case, screw things up from anywhere!)
[06:02] <pleia2> The_Letter_M: michael paric on the mailing list is a big zentyal user, might try asking on list
[06:04] <pleia2> iheartubuntu: nice :)
[06:29] <The_Letter_M> pleia2: there we go. I lost hist business card and couldn't remember his last name
[06:46] <The_Letter_M> Hey Mark
[06:50] <MarkDude> hello The_Letter_M
[16:17] <nUboon2Age> jtatum: any chance i could catch a ride down w/ you and jledbetter to The Lindependence/Ubuntu Hour: Santa Cruz, Wed. Dec 29th?
[16:21] <nUboon2Age> btw, i still need to pick a location and time for our first Palo Alto edition of The Ubuntu Hour for Dec 30th.  If anyone has suggestions (preferrably on/near California Ave, or University Ave, or the Menlo Park train station.   jtatum, crashsystems, aaditya, MarkDude, jamalta, sn9. wjimenez5271, Yasumoto, [reed], jiboumans
[16:22] <sn9> pizza place
[16:22] <nUboon2Age> sn9: well round table is available.  What do you think?
[16:24] <nUboon2Age> i was hesitating about Round Table on Cal Ave sn9, since its a big commercial chain, but if you feel okay about that location, i'd put it at the top of the list.
[16:33] <sn9> nUboon2Age: http://lists.svlug.org/archives/volunteers/2008q2/001159.html
[16:40] <seidos> nUboon2Age, hey.  how was ubuntu hour in mountain view last week?
[16:44] <seidos> nUboon2Age, i'd still like to meet up with you while i'm in the area (assuming my stay here is temporary, but that will depend on the job market i am guessing), but i'd prefer meeting up for more than an hour.  a 2 hour trip for a one hour meeting just seems kind of silly.
[17:07] <pleia2> seidos: both the "hours" I've been to lasted at least 2 (in fact, I had to leave early to catch the train)
[17:07] <pleia2> in mt view
[17:09] <seidos> ah, 2 for 2, that might be worth the trek then pleia2
[17:10] <akk> It's only an hour if no one else shows up. :)
[17:34] <nUboon2Age> sn9: i'll take it that you are okay with Round Table.
[17:35] <nUboon2Age> seidos: akk's answer goes for me too.  I really hope you can come down and join us.  We are free flowing with the 'hour' according to who's there and what they want to do, as long as the single hour is at least covered.
[17:36] <seidos> ack
[17:36] <sn9> personally, yes; however, the chances i may attend are relatively low regardless, and if i do, i'd bring my roommate, who would NOT be ok with round table
[17:37] <sn9> but that location was the only one i could think of that matched your criteria
[17:43] <seidos> what's bad about round table?
[17:43] <seidos> i mean, assuming you can afford it ^_^
[17:44] <seidos> i suppose there is the opportunity cost question, spend money on smaller more socially responsible organizations.
[17:48] <akk> What's bad about it besides the pizza?
[17:51] <sn9> all of the above
[17:51] <seidos> pizza snob
[17:52] <sn9> no, i mean cost+allergies/lactose intolerance
[17:53] <seidos> eh, i'm no fan of round table pizza.  but i'm sure they could make a pizza without cheese to order.
[17:54] <sn9> and without wheat too?
[17:58] <aaditya> nUboon2Age: sounds like a good idea, but I'll be out of town.
[18:03] <jtatum> nUboon2Age: sure, we can give a ride to santa cruz
[18:13] <outofjungle> ping aaditya
[18:35] <aaditya> outofjungle: pong
[18:37] <aaditya> outofjungle: gtalk would work better at this time though
[19:45] <Eureka> wiki: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/WhoDoesWhat edited
[20:27] <pleia2> yay, I have feb 25th off from work so I can go to SCaLE \o/
[22:15] <seidos> i had a thought earlier, wouldn't it be great if there was an actual "open office" where you could go and find other people to work on projects with?
[22:17] <akk> I think that's sort of what hackerspaces like hacker dojo are for
[22:17] <akk> except they're expensive
[22:19] <seidos> hacker dojo, that's interesting.  expensive?  why?
[22:19] <pleia2> yeah, at noisebridge (hackerspace) you can do that sort of thing there (and membership is not mandatory)
[22:20] <akk> seidos: Why? I assume because of paying rent+utilities on the building, net access etc though I haven't seen their balance sheet.
[22:20] <akk> Or maybe it's the dojo magnate raking in the big bucks while the peons suffer, who knows? :)
[22:20] <pleia2> hehe
[22:21] <seidos> i should probably visit.  i need to figure out a project that will net me my requisite needs...shelter and food at some point.
[22:21] <seidos> akk, or it's the finance magnates hording the cash in other fields.
[22:56] <jtatum> i've heard great things about noisebridge. not so much hacker dojo
[22:57] <seidos> i should visit noisebridge.  it isn't too far from me.
[22:57] <seidos> i could even walk there.  it's less than a 2 hour walk
[22:57] <seidos> save $2, heh