[05:37] <dnivra> hello. i am trying to create a USB startup disk of natty and it says "unable to install boot loader". what is wrong?
[05:37] <dnivra> i did it thrice with no luck.
[05:42] <dnivra> hello. i am trying to create a USB startup disk of natty and it says "unable to install boot loader". what is wrong?
[05:50] <dnivra> hello. i am trying to create a USB startup disk of natty and it says "unable to install boot loader". what is wrong? i tried using unetbootin too-it says it finishes successfully but on restart, my computer says the disk isn't bootable
[06:15] <dnivra> is there any reason why natty would detect my cpu as i686 when it is an x86_64 CPU? i use 10.10 64bit currently. i'm running it in virtualbox.
[06:28] <dnivra> nit-wit, how did you get the alpha?
[06:29] <nit-wit> dnivra,  same site I just wanted to confirm if it was today and I would see if my rsnc update to it would load athumb and boot
[06:30] <dnivra> well i downloaded via torrent; should i have downloaded from server?
[06:30] <nit-wit> torrent should be fine but you never know
[06:31] <dnivra> is using an iPod an issue :)?
[06:31] <sagaci> just verify via md5sum
[06:31] <dnivra> i'm using an iPod shuffle 1GB. just a thought...
[06:31] <dnivra> where can i find natty's md5? tried searching but no luck.
[06:32] <dnivra> nit-wit, wrong channel :).
[06:32] <nit-wit> dnivra, the first link on that link is the MD5SUM's
[06:32] <dnivra> nit-wit, thanks! i didn't notice it :P.
[06:32] <nit-wit> dnivra, a little to much 420 :)
[06:33] <nit-wit> and sheaf stout
[06:33] <dnivra> hmmm?
[06:34] <dnivra> md5sum matches.
[06:35] <nit-wit> dnivra, did you preformat the thumb each time to a fat32
[06:35] <dnivra> nit-wit, everytime.
[06:36] <nit-wit> dnivra,  have the daily just about updated  will see if unetbootin works first
[06:36] <dnivra> nit-wit, unetbootin would successfully finish. do try booting it too.
[06:37] <nit-wit> dnivra, oh I will try booting it, don't worry.
[06:37] <dnivra> okay :)
[06:38] <nit-wit> dnivra, just curiously it sounded like it was getting to the thumb for you just errors thrown correct
[06:38] <dnivra> nit-wit, via startup disk creator, it manages to copy all data but bootloader has issues.
[06:39] <dnivra> that is why i had a doubt-could it be that i'm using an iPod?
[06:39] <nit-wit> dnivra, 'm a little confused where does the Ipod come in here
[06:40] <nit-wit> *I'm
[06:42] <dnivra_> nit-wit, i just tried startup disk creator; same error. unable to install boot loader
[06:43] <nit-wit> dnivra, I'm loading a thumb I will be gone again shortly to see if it boots
[06:43] <dnivra> nit-wit, okay.
[06:44] <nit-wit> dniv
[06:44] <nit-wit> dnivra, be right back
[06:53] <dnivra> nit-wit, success i presume?
[06:53] <nit-wit> dnivra, got it to boot but the top panel in Unity wasn't reacting to clicks
[06:54] <dnivra> you used unetbootin?
[06:56] <nit-wit> dnivra, sorry my keyboard started acting weird.  With the daily development it is hit or miss,  wouldn't instal it as the main bootloader
[06:56] <dnivra> nit-wit, oh! okay.
[06:56] <dnivra> i just created another one using unetbootin. i'll try once more.
[06:57] <nit-wit> dnivra, all you can do is try
[06:57] <dnivra> nit-wit, i guess yeah. be right back.
[06:57] <nit-wit> cool
[07:04] <dnivra> nit-wit, nope. no luck :(.
[07:05] <dnivra> ahhh well i give up. i'll just wait for Alpha 2. sigh.
[07:07] <nit-wit> dnivra, try the next daily i guess you notice the date on the page you can use this to get a daily down load and daily update of it. http://paste.ubuntu.com/546512/
[07:08] <dnivra> nit-wit, it's same for amd64?
[07:08] <nit-wit> dnivra, put the ISO you have in home and run the command and see if it updates it
[07:08] <dnivra> nit-wit, okay then. it would automatically download changes? or would it download the entire iso?
[07:08] <nit-wit> dnivra, actually no hold on
[07:08] <dnivra> i mean just change i386 to amd64 right?
[07:11] <nit-wit> dniva it would be the name of the ISO mine is natty-desktop-i386.iso change this part to the name of yours and make sure rsync is installed in synaptic i think it is in a stock install
[07:12] <dnivra> nit-wit, thanks a lot!
[07:13] <nit-wit> dnivra, changes after you have the ISO the one you have has the same name as the server ones right
[07:13] <dnivra> yeah same name; didn't edit it.
[07:15] <nit-wit> dnivra, I would copy and paste a copy in home then run the command then check the data size there may be a diffrence hard to say
[07:15] <nit-wit> dnivra, the one in home will be the one the command changes
[07:15] <dnivra> nit-wit, alright then i'll create a copy as well :).
[07:16] <nit-wit> dnivra, thats the lazy mans way lets see oh the data different, hmmm something is amiss. :)
[07:17] <dnivra> nit-wit, i'm supposed to hope for a data change right?
[07:18] <dnivra> nit-wit, when i run sync for the iso file, it would download the entire iso file if the version on my hard disk is different from the one on the remote server?
[07:18] <dnivra> the entire iso?
[07:18] <dnivra> rsync*
[07:18] <nit-wit> dnivra, if there is a change  would try loading that into the thumb I updated with the command then loaded my thumb that booted
[07:19] <dnivra> nit-wit, alrighto. great! hope for a change.
[07:20] <dnivra> i am trying to run natty on virtual box and get the error "The kernel requires an x86_64 CPU, but only detected an i686 CPU. Unable to boot-please use a kernel appropriate for your CPU". but i run a 64bit maverick! any particular reason?
[07:20] <nit-wit> dnivra, I don't know it may have a rsync tag in there so that it gets the whole ISO first I just use the command every time on the development to get the first ISO
[07:21] <dnivra> so everytime you effectively download the entire iso?
[07:21] <dnivra> the iso undergoes changes everyday?
[07:22] <nit-wit> dnivra, after the first it just updates really fast
[07:22] <dnivra> okay then i'll give it a shot.
[07:22] <nit-wit> dnivra, it looks at the ISO and just puts in the updates
[07:22] <dnivra> is the iso repackaged daily?
[07:23] <nit-wit> dnivra, most of the time but the are freeze stages and once in aawhile a stop for a couple of days just watch that original download page for the latest day of release
[07:24] <dnivra> nit-wit, okay! i'm still getting used to the whole development process :).
[07:24] <nit-wit> dnivra, watch the page so you can know whether you want to or even update
[07:24] <dnivra> nit-wit, will do! thanks a lot!
[07:25] <nit-wit> dnivra, no problem  just use the development and watch whats going on to much free time on my hands. :)
[07:25] <nit-wit> *I
[07:26] <dnivra> nit-wit, you said watch this page right http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/natty/alpha-1/ ?
[07:31] <nit-wit> dnivra, that's the one.
[07:32] <dnivra> nit-wit, last modified 2 dec. so how come it works for you but not for me. if download corrupted it, md5sum wouldn't match right?
[07:34] <nit-wit> dnivra, well mine is the 32 bit so it is different the md5 I would think be correct
[07:34] <dnivra> nit-wit, yeah true but well essentially the same right?
[07:34] <dnivra> ahhh it's fine. i'll come and ask here later on.
[07:35] <nit-wit> dnivra, I don't really know the same packages and build but I don't really knao the diffrence between the two is the md5 not match now
[07:35] <nit-wit> *is=does
[07:36] <dnivra> the md5 doesn't match eh? then i guess an update did happen. i'll keep my hopes up then. thanks a lot!
[08:06] <DanaG> Right now getting a real USB install is annoying.
[08:07] <DanaG> You need a cd or a second USB stick to boot from, to install to the first one.
[12:27] <[lan3y]> has anyone else got a bug where right click does not function properly?
[12:29] <[lan3y]> for example, right clicking on unity makes it disappear
[13:44] <[lan3y]> my random notes on 11.04 if anyone is interested: http://tlan3y.blogspot.com/
[14:26] <coz_> good day all
[15:31] <coz_> early lunch be back in a bit
[15:45] <charlie-tca> nvidia-current still being held
[15:48] <Volkodav> is it?
[15:48] <Volkodav> I think I installed 2-3 days ago
[15:48] <Volkodav> not sure though
[15:48] <Volkodav> i think I saw it in updates
[15:49] <IdleOne> charlie-tca: I removed nividia-current and the modaliases package as well then reinstalled nvidia-current. worked well for me
[15:50] <IdleOne> and yeah gues it was 2-3 days ago I did this
[15:50] <IdleOne> guess*
[15:51] <bjsnider> the modaliases package is supposed to now be a dummy upgrade package. it should not be holding nvidia-current back
[15:52] <IdleOne> bjsnider: it wasn't but caused a depends issue when trying to reinstall nvidia-current. so I removed it and then it installed without issue
[15:53] <IdleOne> I have no packages held back at the moment
[15:56] <charlie-tca> Mine is still sitting on it, for some reason. Maybe I will do a remove/install on nvidia
[16:48] <wootehfoot> anyone knows how to modify date/time settings in narwhal? changing it from ccommandline doesnt seem to help it
[17:02] <coz_> ok be back in about an hour or so
[17:05] <nit-wit> wootehfoot, does the clock have a weather location function
[17:06] <wootehfoot> i've tried setting the location to a place +1h away, it doesn't affect the clock
[17:06] <wootehfoot> nit-wit, but yes it does have a weather location function
[17:07] <nit-wit> have you set that
[17:08] <nit-wit> wootehfoot, is that the setting you have done?
[17:09] <IdleOne> I kinda like being able to respond to posts from email
[17:09] <IdleOne> avoids me having to load facebook at all
[17:09] <IdleOne> lol wrong windows
[17:10] <IdleOne> -s
[17:10] <nit-wit> IdleOne, Facebook you couldn't pay me to be a member :)
[17:10] <IdleOne> nit-wit: only have a account for family reasons
[17:10] <IdleOne> besides that I don't use it.
[17:11] <nit-wit> IdleOne, It's okay everybody  is doing it, no need gto justify. ;)
[17:11] <nit-wit> *to
[17:12] <IdleOne> ok the truth is I play farmville all the time :/
[17:12] <nit-wit> IdleOne, sounds like a 12 step statement.
[17:12] <IdleOne> hahaha
[17:13] <nit-wit> hi I'm nit-wit and I am a nit-wit
[17:13] <IdleOne> Hi, my name is IdleOne and I'm a FarmVille addict. Please HELP ME!
[17:13] <nit-wit> IdleOne, lol
[17:13] <nit-wit> IdleOne, are you trying out natty
[17:14] <wootehfoot> nit-wit, yeah i've set the weather location to somethinng in my time zone, but i have done multiple locations, and it doesnt affect the clock
[17:14] <IdleOne> trying? no. I been running natty since toolchain.
[17:14] <wootehfoot> if there was a way to enable daylight saving it would do the trick, but the menus are inaccessible
[17:14] <nit-wit> wootehfoot, is this a install
[17:14] <wootehfoot> nit-wit, yeah it is
[17:15] <nit-wit> wootehfoot, full install not a thumb loaded with a persistent function
[17:15] <wootehfoot> nit-wit, indeed
[17:16] <nit-wit> wootehfoot, hmmm I have only just loaded natty and haven't looked at this, I can boot to it and take a look
[17:16] <wootehfoot> i can change the time from the command line, but it is forgotten until the next boot
[17:17] <wootehfoot> and it changes the time in the system clock, so when i boot back to windows the time is off there too, though changing it in w7 is no problem
[17:17] <wootehfoot> brb
[17:20] <safinaskar> I cannot install VMWare 7.1.3 on my Kubuntu Natty i386. When I install it process sudenly crashes and VMWare uninstall itself back. Help!
[17:21] <nit-wit> wootehfoot,  Try in the terminal sudo dpkg-reconfigure tzdata
[17:21] <charlie-tca> windows uses local time, Ubuntu uses UTC + or - to set time. Perhaps that is the cause. Is there a way to set windows to use the same time?
[17:26] <histo> charlie-tca: you can set ubuntu to use localtime.
[17:45] <charlie-tca> hm, removing the nvidia hardware driver in 64bit was bad. can't seem to start gdm or X now
[17:48] <bfri> there is a feature in ubuntu jaunty for wireless broadband setting that allows me to use my usb modem.  no other distribution has this setting.  how do i transfer it over to another distribution?
[17:54] <IdleOne> charlie-tca: did you reinstall it?
[18:03] <matrixa1> sudo dpkg-reinstall tzdata works
[18:04] <matrixa1> thx :)
[18:04] <bfri> there is a feature in ubuntu jaunty for wireless broadband setting that allows me to use my usb modem.  no other distribution has this setting.  how do i transfer it over to another distribution?
[18:16] <charlie-tca> IdleOne: like, using jockey-text? It won't install
[18:20] <IdleOne> I installed the nvidia-current package from CLI, rebooted (had to mess with compiz unity plugin thingy on/off a couple times, rebooted again.
[18:21] <charlie-tca> can't even get it to recognize the nvidia-current
[18:21] <IdleOne> hmm
[18:21] <charlie-tca> that's what I said, too
[18:21] <IdleOne> don't know what to tell you
[18:22] <charlie-tca> Well, I can try one more time. Then I will just reinstall natty, I think
[18:26] <charlie-tca> I keep getting an error:
[18:27] <charlie-tca> /usr/lib/pymodules/python2.7/gtk-2.0/gtk/_init_.py:57: GtkWarning: could not open display
[18:27] <charlie-tca> heh
[18:27] <charlie-tca> well, I see the future... install natty / try again...
[18:42] <charlie-tca> made it work! had to remove /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[18:42] <IdleOne> good job
[18:43] <charlie-tca> I should have known that, too
[19:24] <matrixa1> wait, so running nvidia-xconfig would have done it too?
[19:25] <matrixa1> had problems with nvidia-current too but it got resolved with the nvidia-commons update
[19:42] <genii-around> Does the latest bluedevil update have fixes for constantly-on LCD backlight?
[19:49] <genii-around> Bleh. Backlight still in perma-on. < mumbles >
[19:52] <yofel_> genii-around: what does bluedevil have to do with LCD backlight? (or do you mean powerdevil?)
[19:53] <genii-around> yofel: Sorry, yes, got the names transposed
[19:53] <yofel> 4.6 rc1 isn't in natty yet, still being worked on, will be there soon
[19:53] <Volkodav> wtf is lately with skype - can't login for hours
[19:53] <Volkodav> second time this week
[19:53] <rumpel> Volkodav, skype is down
[19:54] <rumpel> wordlwide fail :D
[19:54] <Volkodav> crackers attack ?
[19:54] <rumpel> the worst of the worst: wikileak-pirate-terrorist-hackers
[19:55] <psusi> script kiddies, not hackers...
[19:56]  * Volkodav has back up with google voice
[20:04] <Volkodav> rumpel: any idea what happenned with skype ?
[20:05] <rumpel> Volkodav, no ... but i've read about it in the last minutes in several different channels...
[20:06]  * patdk-wk read about it here
[20:11] <allu2> Hello, i found one "bug" from my alphas facebook applet --> http://ajp.dy.fi/share/facebug.png
[20:12] <allu2> when i begin to write text on the bar the "post to fa.." doesn't disappear and if i don't delete it it will be on the message in facebook
[20:14] <tembrae> any fix for the 10.10 authentication issue? besides clicking close?
[20:15] <alex88> is possible to boot from iso in grub?
[20:15] <yofel> tembrae: this channel is for 11.04 support, 10.10 support is in #ubuntu #kubuntu #lubuntu or #xubuntu
[20:15] <Volkodav> grub2 yes
[20:16] <yofel> alex88: in grub2 sure, here's an example https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/Dev/MultipleISOBootUSBKey
[20:16] <alex88> yofel, thank you..i've tried some but didn't worked
[20:18] <alex88> yofel, running update-grub won't delete entries?
[20:18] <alex88> i should check in /etc/default if i can find smoething usefull.. nm man
[20:18] <yofel> alex88: if you edit grub.cfg it will, put them in /etc/grub.d/40_custom instead
[20:18] <alex88> yeah /etc/grub.d sorry.. thank you
[20:39] <yaaar> howdy
[20:51] <yofel> anyone an idea what happened to /proc/acpi/thermal_zone in 2.6.37?
[21:17] <alex88> yofel: i'm trying that page..but it not works as espected..i've the iso into /boot/iso/natty.iso
[21:18] <alex88> i've changed path and it says: file not found, no such disk, you need to load the kernel first
[21:18] <yofel> hm, it does work on my flash drive here, maybe it doesn't find /boot ?
[21:19] <alex88> it's on /dev/sdb5.. the /boot dir.. so i've tried loopback loop (hd1,4)..same thing..
[21:19] <alex88> btw, i'm doing that on my hdd
[21:22] <yofel> alex88: afaik sdb5 is hd1,5 in grub2
[21:22] <alex88> same thing.. i'm using the grub command line now
[21:24] <alex88> mmhh...how can i debug? trying every single line in command line
[21:24] <Amaranth> yofel: It would be hd0,4 or hd1,6 I would think
[21:24] <Amaranth> yofel: Either it starts at 0 or it starts at 1
[21:25] <alex88> sdb is the second..so 1 or 2..
[21:25] <yofel> nah, grub2 has a weird naming counter
[21:25] <yofel> a = 0, 1 = 1
[21:25] <Amaranth> Yeah, to be honest I gave up on it some time ago so perhaps
[21:25] <yofel> !grub2
[21:26] <yofel> yep
[21:26] <yofel> Any partition designation (sda4, sdb6) must be changed, as GRUB and GRUB 2 count the partitions differently. The first partition for GRUB 2 is 1, not 0. Devices still start the count at 0.
[21:28] <alex88> ok got it.. it was on root of that partition but mounted on boot in real fs :)
[21:30] <alex88> it woeks yeah :)
[21:31] <alex88> btw it was hd0,5 :)
[21:37] <alex88> mmhh..can't install from mounted iso
[21:37] <alex88> cause it can't mount the hdd where iso is located..
[21:38] <alex88> and i want to use it as /boot
[21:38] <alex88> should i use another separated partition for those?
[21:43] <alex88> :S
[21:44]  * alex88 loves errors on livecd boot
[21:49] <alex88> wtf it tries to unmount /isodevice.. how can i make it continue anyway?
[21:49] <alex88> because it can't be unmounted
[21:49] <alex88> it loads from there!
[21:55] <alex88> sudo umount -l -r -f /isodevice worked
[21:55] <alex88> and started ubiquity with -b to not install bootloader
[21:56] <alex88> quite tricky but it works..
[21:56] <alex88> ok i'll stop spamming
[22:39] <bjsnider> yofel, it's a good thing devices still start the count at zero otherwise it could be confusing...
[22:39] <yofel> well, I don't get why they changed it at all
[22:40] <bjsnider> no count should start at zero because zero is not an actual number
[22:40] <yaaar> so i've been reading up on the whole Unity desktop thing (and Wayland for that matter) and I'm cautiously very excited...I was really dreading the new gnome shell. but I've heard conflicting reports on how closely the desktop version of Unity will match the current netbook remix UI. Can somebody enlighten me on that? Are there any design docs or mockups anywhere?
[22:43] <coz_> yaaar,  well it does  refelct the netbook  since that is all it really is
[22:43] <yaaar> coz_: huh?
[22:43] <coz_> yaaar,  the difference is that compiz instead of mutter is the backend
[22:43] <coz_> yaaar,  gnome-shell still sucks badly :)
[22:44] <yaaar> coz_: oh...so in 11.04 the desktop version of ubuntu will have a GUI that looks/acts just like the current netbook remix!?
[22:44] <Daekdroom> As far as I know, everything but classic GNOME still sucks badly :P
[22:44] <coz_> yaaar,  but since unity got rid of mutter ...which gnome-shell uses  and instead chose compiz  thing are way betyter
[22:44] <coz_> yaaar,  well at this point there are things they are working on that are not workig in unity at this point...desktop search  comes to mind...the icon  sets that should show up on the desktop
[22:44] <coz_> yaaar,  but I believe all of this  getting worked on
[22:45] <yaaar> hmm
[22:45] <coz_> yaaar,  you can also choose during log on  either the unity desktop or classic gnome
[22:45] <yaaar> i see
[22:46] <coz_> yaaar,  there are still nvidia issues... and many things being changed on a daily basis
[22:47] <yaaar> i had read that the desktop version was going to have some significant departures behavior-wise vs. the netbook edition. which i thought made a lot of sense...a simple interface that's good for 7" screens isn't maybe the best fit for a full-fledged workstation...
[22:47] <coz_> yaaar,  well I use either one on my dual monitor system here
[22:48] <coz_> yaaar,   either unity or  classic gnome is not at all out of place on a regular desktop although of course  it is designed for netbooks :)
[22:49] <coz_> yaaar,  the biggest issue with uinity and regular desktops is   global menu...especially on dual monitors it is essentially useless because if I have a window opened on the seconday monitor  ,,,in order to access   File Edit View  I have to travel way to the upper left of the primary monitor
[22:49]  * yofel notes that he doesn't have any nvidia issues
[22:50] <coz_> yofel,  very cool :)  this last week has been just a bit of a pain  with packages held back :)
[22:50] <yofel> yeah, probably since the modaliases package were removed
[22:53] <coz_> yofel,  I also noticed that switching to twinview  manually  ,, nvidia-settings will freeze up  on occasion...needing a reastart of X  and sometimes twice
[22:58] <BUGabundo> TopGear playing on my TV!
[22:59] <bjsnider> that's an ok show
[23:00] <bjsnider> i'm not much on cars myself
[23:00] <BUGabundo> "ok"?
[23:00] <BUGabundo> its AWESOME
[23:00] <bjsnider> it's just a bunch of british jerks driving cars really fast
[23:01] <BUGabundo> aahahha
[23:01] <BUGabundo> if you feel like it
[23:23] <yaaar> i can't forgive them for libeling Tesla
[23:24] <yaaar> they showed it running out of power on the track. had a clip of them pushing it back to the hangar. then later they admitted that was entirely faked...it never ran out of battery on them...they just up and staged it.
[23:25] <yaaar> that's just shameful
[23:30] <bjsnider> you mean  tv lies? noooo!!!!!!