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Thisara_hi12:35
Thisara_Hi Ryan12:36
Thisara_Are u there12:36
head_victimThisara_: welcome to the group12:36
head_victimnisshh: ping12:36
Thisara_Thanks12:37
nisshhhello12:37
Thisara_hi12:37
nisshhsorry i was getting something to eat :)12:38
head_victimnisshh: no worries just didn't know if you highlighted ryan12:38
Thisara_ok take ur time. Do u want me to chat later ?12:38
nisshhThisara_, didnt expect you to get on irc tonight, thought you would be on tomorrow or something :)12:38
nisshhhead_victim, no, i dont, because there can be more than one Ryan :)12:39
Thisara_Sorry Jared12:39
head_victimThisara_: don't be sorry, just making sure you found each other :) I am a mailing list mod so I saw you join the list earlier.12:39
Thisara_yes exactly12:40
nisshhThisara_, as for your last question that you just mailed to me, yes, the installation is similar to normal installation12:40
Thisara_time has come to kick windows12:40
nisshhthe main difference is that you have to use unetbootin or a similar program to load it onto the USB drive12:40
Thisara_I have a one stupid question12:40
nisshhshoot12:41
Thisara_How do we know which ubuntnu version to be used ?12:41
nisshhThisara_, well, if your worried about getting support, use 10.04 (lucid) or if you want the latest stable stuff, use 10.10 (maverick) :)12:42
Thisara_32 bit ? 64 bit12:42
Thisara_ok12:42
nisshhdepends on your hardware12:42
nisshhhow new is it?12:42
Thisara_Now I am logged in windows12:43
Thisara_it is vista12:43
nisshhok12:43
Thisara_I dont know how to check 64bit or 32bit12:43
Thisara_is that something with CPU ?12:43
nisshhThisara_, not your operating system, i mean how old is your computer?12:44
Thisara_2 yrs12:45
Thisara_Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU    Q9650  @ 3.00GHz12:45
nisshhoh nice12:46
nisshhok12:46
nisshhhow much RAM/memory do you have?12:46
nisshhThisara_, ^^12:46
Thisara_I will check12:46
head_victimI'll swap my p4 with you Thisara_ ? Heh12:46
nisshhhehe12:47
Thisara_heh heh hee12:47
Thisara_4 GB12:47
Thisara_500 GB HDD12:47
* nisshh is jealous :)12:47
nisshhThisara_, ok, i suggest you use 32 bit, BUT12:48
Thisara_Mother board is PropertyIntel DP43TF12:48
nisshhyeah12:48
Thisara_ok12:48
nisshhoh actually, disregard that BUT :)12:48
Thisara_ok12:49
Thisara_whats the matter with 32 bit12:49
Thisara_nisshh are u ther12:54
nisshhThisara_, sorry :)12:57
nisshhi had to take a phone call :)12:57
Thisara_ok12:57
nisshhThisara_, if you use 32 bit, you will only have access to about 3.5GB's of RAM12:58
nisshhand 32 tends to run a tiny bit slower12:58
Thisara_ok12:58
nisshhbut apart from that, there is not much difference12:58
Thisara_but  what if I install 64 bit12:58
nisshhalthough 64 bit flash for linux is known to be troublesome for some people12:58
nisshhThisara_, 64 bit will be fine, you shouldnt have issues12:59
Thisara_whats the difference between 32bit and 64bit Ubuntu ?12:59
nisshhexactly what i just said :)12:59
Thisara_got it12:59
nisshh32 only allows accesss to 3.5GB's of RAM12:59
nisshh64 bit can access up to 128GB's or something12:59
nisshhnot many other differences though13:00
sagacinisshh: much more than that, i think13:00
Thisara_I was thinking , 64bit for 64bit CPUs and 32bit for older CPUs13:00
nisshhsagaci, yeah, not that it matters :)13:00
Thisara_so thats not correct ?13:00
nisshhThisara_, yeah, anything from the late pentium 4's onwards was 64 bit capable13:00
sagacinisshh: I think you're referring to how much Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit can "handle" :P13:00
Thisara_yes13:01
nisshhsagaci, yeah, i cant remember how much it is, some very large amount :)13:01
sagacii've always stayed with 32-bit13:01
nisshhsagaci, i pulled that number out of my memory, so dont expect correct facts there :)13:01
Thisara_Another basic question, Why Intel have 64bit CPUs and 32bit CPUs13:01
nisshhso have i13:02
nisshhThisara_, AMD also have both 32 and 64 bit CPU's :)13:02
Thisara_OK13:02
nisshhbut anyway13:02
Thisara_my earlier thinking was Ubuntu 64 bit should be installed in computers with 64bit CPUs13:02
sagaci32-bit will run on 64-bit capable CPU13:03
sagacibut not vice-versa13:03
head_victimSorry to interrupt but for everyone in here if they want to have a quick look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam and tell me what they think of the new header that would be appreciated.13:03
nisshhThisara_, one thing you should undertstand is that 64 bit CPU's are not *only* 64 bit13:03
nisshhThisara_, they are simply 64 bit capable13:03
nisshhso you can use a 32 bit OS with a 64 bit capable CPU if you want13:04
sagacihead_victim: not bad13:04
head_victimsagaci: I stole a lot of it but redid it all for our needs13:04
Thisara_ok thanks I didnt know that13:04
nisshhThisara_, in you email you said you were in Perth, i happen to be not far from Perth :)13:04
sagacihead_victim: three australias looks a bit much though13:04
sagaciactually 413:05
nisshhsagaci, just one would look a lot worse13:05
head_victimsagaci: yeah, I concur, any other suggestions for icons?13:05
Thisara_Anyone from Perth13:05
nisshhThisara_, no, no one active anyway13:05
head_victimThisara_: I'm in brisbane but regarding your 32/64 bit conversation I'd suggest a read of https://help.ubuntu.com/community/32bit_and_64bit13:06
nisshhThisara_, years ago, there used to be a heap from Perth but they are no longer active in the LoCo13:06
Thisara_Head victim: ok I will13:06
nisshhThisara_, until you came along im prettymuch the only one from WA in here :)13:06
sagacihead_victim: even if you changed the middle icon with an ubuntu circle of friends logo, would suffice i think13:07
Thisara_good13:07
nisshhwait, good?13:07
nisshhhow is that good?13:07
nisshh:)13:07
Thisara_One question13:07
nisshhgo ahead13:07
nisshhThisara_, dont ask to ask, just ask :)13:08
Thisara_I installed the Ubuntu in my external HDD. I want to make a bootable HDD. But when I try to boot , It didnt13:09
Thisara_I already changed the boot sequence into external HDD 13:10
nisshhThisara_, yeah, you need to follow the same procedure that your friend did when installing to the USB stick13:10
head_victimsagaci: I think it would be best to ahve them all different but need to find a third logo13:10
Thisara_Can't exactly remember the error messege, something like.. undidentified drive13:11
sagacicould anyone help me with a bit of ubuntu packaging13:12
nisshhThisara_, ah ok13:12
nisshhsagaci, whats up?13:12
sagaciplease don't send me to #ubuntu-packaging or to read the Packaging Guide - Complete, it's like going to Azkaban13:12
Thisara_I already have a USB pendrive, which has Ubuntu notebook remix. I tried that one instead of the external HDD, it worked13:12
nisshhsagaci, well, i was going to send you to #ubuntu-motu but :)13:13
nisshhsagaci, anyway, whats the issue?13:13
sagaciah, i'm trying to package a wordlist generator, crunch.. http://sourceforge.net/projects/crunch-wordlist/13:14
sagacicould I just get a real high level view if it's possible for a noob to package it13:14
nisshhsagaci, are you packaging it purely just so you can install it on your machine?13:14
sagaciit's written in C13:14
sagacinisshh: no, it's relatively easy to compile and use, I just wanted to explore the idea of packaging it for ubuntu13:15
nisshhsagaci, ah ok, i suggest you go to #ubuntu-motu then, while i know a little about packaging, the MOTU's are the true masters at it13:16
sagacievery step of the packaging guide seems like a huge leap13:17
nisshhsagaci, also, the best way is to get a MOTU to help you and then you could get it sponsored and uploaded13:17
nisshhyeah13:17
sagaciI even struggled to get a gpg key since gpg-agent wasn't running etc13:17
nisshhits not simple13:17
nisshhbut the packaging guide is very good docs13:17
sagacia lot of extra fluff that is in every ubuntu package13:17
nisshhyeah13:18
sagacicopyright, changelog, etc etc etc13:18
sagaciMOTU - recyclable materials for the internet, do you know it?13:18
nisshhThisara_, ask your friend to do the same thing to the external drive that they did to the pen drive, the process is the same13:18
nisshhThisara_, sorry, i cant help more, a) ive never done it, b) there are no docs for installing to an external hard drive tha i can find, sorry :)13:19
nisshhThisara_, im still digging, ill let you know if i find something13:19
Thisara_nisshh : But unfortunately he left Perth13:19
nisshhah ok13:20
Thisara_cant we use this ubuntu installation to create external bootable HDD , http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/download13:21
nisshhThisara_, yes, a few little tweaks are needed, give me 5 minutes and ill have an answer for you :)13:22
Thisara_nisshh : ok13:23
sagacii'd reinstall to make sure grub is installed to the external hdd and then make sure you select it to boot off when you boot, via the bios13:23
nisshhsagaci, yeah, that is needed, plus a tweaked grub is also required, still dont know what it is though13:24
Thisara_tweaked grub ??????13:25
nisshhThisara_, grub is Ubuntu bootloader, no need to stress, it should be very easy to do :)13:27
head_victimsagaci: check again see what you think13:31
nisshhThisara_, sorry, this is taking a little while, the guy has disappeared :)13:32
sagacihead_victim: yeah, better13:33
head_victimsagaci: thanks for the input13:34
sagacianyone used one of those flexible keyboards? http://shop.canonical.com/product_info.php?products_id=80013:35
head_victimyeah not a fan, great for cleaning and travelling not so good to type on13:36
head_victimI had too many missed keypresses13:36
sagaciit's like compiz rotating cube all over again13:36
nisshhThisara_, the guy telling me how to do it is having connection issues, so it may be a long time before he is able to tell me, sorry :)13:38
Thisara_nisshh : If you find how to make a bootable external HDD, can u pls email me13:38
nisshhThisara_, sure, will do :)13:38
Thisara_nisshh : for the time being I am learning stuff from Ubuntu forum13:38
nisshhcool13:39
Thisara_nisshh : Its time to wrap up and go home13:39
nisshhThisara_, which version of Ubuntu are you using?13:39
nisshhok13:39
head_victimThisara_: glad you can join us, someone might post more information to the list for you late13:39
head_victimr13:39
Thisara_nisshh : I have no idea of that right now since I am in Windows now13:40
nisshhThisara_, ok, dont worry about it for now, have a good night :)13:40
sagaciahh, so makes sense to package for debian so lots more will benefit, etc13:41
Thisara_nisshh: thanks lot. Good Night13:41
Thisara_nisshh: Byee.!13:41
nisshh:)13:43
nisshhfinally another WA user :)13:43
head_victimHmm that header, I just saw it on the wife's windows PC. It has lots of white space just underneath the orange bar and the corners are square (meant to be rounded) is that what you're referring to nisshh ?13:44
nisshhhead_victim, yeah13:44
head_victimWeird, I'm on FF 3.613:45
nisshhhead_victim, thats how it looks in chromium anyway13:45
nisshhlet my try ff 4.013:45
head_victimReally odd.13:45
head_victimI just looked under chromium as well13:45
nisshhand?13:45
head_victimSquare with lots of whitespace13:46
nisshhhead_victim, it renders fine in ff 4.0, that is strange :)13:46
head_victimWonder what is broken, might write up a bug13:46
nisshhin ff 4.0 it has rounded corners and no whitespace13:46
thisaranisshh are u still there15:40
nisshhthisara, yeah15:43
thisaranisshh,. thanks for the email15:44
sagacii wish i were asleep15:44
nisshhthisara, np :)15:44
thisarahow to install grub15:44
nisshhthisara, there is an option during the graphical install for it,15:45
thisaragood , so I can use normal ubuntu istaller15:46
thisarainstaller which I found in http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/download 15:47
thisara?15:47
nisshhyeah15:50
nisshhthats the one to use15:50
thisaranisshh : thanks. I will try and let u know the results later. Sorry for too many childish questions.15:54
nisshhthisara, not a problem :)15:55

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