[12:35] <Thisara_> hi
[12:36] <Thisara_> Hi Ryan
[12:36] <Thisara_> Are u there
[12:36] <head_victim> Thisara_: welcome to the group
[12:36] <head_victim> nisshh: ping
[12:37] <Thisara_> Thanks
[12:37] <nisshh> hello
[12:37] <Thisara_> hi
[12:38] <nisshh> sorry i was getting something to eat :)
[12:38] <head_victim> nisshh: no worries just didn't know if you highlighted ryan
[12:38] <Thisara_> ok take ur time. Do u want me to chat later ?
[12:38] <nisshh> Thisara_, didnt expect you to get on irc tonight, thought you would be on tomorrow or something :)
[12:39] <nisshh> head_victim, no, i dont, because there can be more than one Ryan :)
[12:39] <Thisara_> Sorry Jared
[12:39] <head_victim> Thisara_: don't be sorry, just making sure you found each other :) I am a mailing list mod so I saw you join the list earlier.
[12:40] <Thisara_> yes exactly
[12:40] <nisshh> Thisara_, as for your last question that you just mailed to me, yes, the installation is similar to normal installation
[12:40] <Thisara_> time has come to kick windows
[12:40] <nisshh> the main difference is that you have to use unetbootin or a similar program to load it onto the USB drive
[12:40] <Thisara_> I have a one stupid question
[12:41] <nisshh> shoot
[12:41] <Thisara_> How do we know which ubuntnu version to be used ?
[12:42] <nisshh> Thisara_, well, if your worried about getting support, use 10.04 (lucid) or if you want the latest stable stuff, use 10.10 (maverick) :)
[12:42] <Thisara_> 32 bit ? 64 bit
[12:42] <Thisara_> ok
[12:42] <nisshh> depends on your hardware
[12:42] <nisshh> how new is it?
[12:43] <Thisara_> Now I am logged in windows
[12:43] <Thisara_> it is vista
[12:43] <nisshh> ok
[12:43] <Thisara_> I dont know how to check 64bit or 32bit
[12:43] <Thisara_> is that something with CPU ?
[12:44] <nisshh> Thisara_, not your operating system, i mean how old is your computer?
[12:45] <Thisara_> 2 yrs
[12:45] <Thisara_> Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU    Q9650  @ 3.00GHz
[12:46] <nisshh> oh nice
[12:46] <nisshh> ok
[12:46] <nisshh> how much RAM/memory do you have?
[12:46] <nisshh> Thisara_, ^^
[12:46] <Thisara_> I will check
[12:46] <head_victim> I'll swap my p4 with you Thisara_ ? Heh
[12:47] <nisshh> hehe
[12:47] <Thisara_> heh heh hee
[12:47] <Thisara_> 4 GB
[12:47] <Thisara_> 500 GB HDD
[12:47]  * nisshh is jealous :)
[12:48] <nisshh> Thisara_, ok, i suggest you use 32 bit, BUT
[12:48] <Thisara_> Mother board is Property	Intel DP43TF
[12:48] <nisshh> yeah
[12:48] <Thisara_> ok
[12:48] <nisshh> oh actually, disregard that BUT :)
[12:49] <Thisara_> ok
[12:49] <Thisara_> whats the matter with 32 bit
[12:54] <Thisara_> nisshh are u ther
[12:57] <nisshh> Thisara_, sorry :)
[12:57] <nisshh> i had to take a phone call :)
[12:57] <Thisara_> ok
[12:58] <nisshh> Thisara_, if you use 32 bit, you will only have access to about 3.5GB's of RAM
[12:58] <nisshh> and 32 tends to run a tiny bit slower
[12:58] <Thisara_> ok
[12:58] <nisshh> but apart from that, there is not much difference
[12:58] <Thisara_> but  what if I install 64 bit
[12:58] <nisshh> although 64 bit flash for linux is known to be troublesome for some people
[12:59] <nisshh> Thisara_, 64 bit will be fine, you shouldnt have issues
[12:59] <Thisara_> whats the difference between 32bit and 64bit Ubuntu ?
[12:59] <nisshh> exactly what i just said :)
[12:59] <Thisara_> got it
[12:59] <nisshh> 32 only allows accesss to 3.5GB's of RAM
[12:59] <nisshh> 64 bit can access up to 128GB's or something
[13:00] <nisshh> not many other differences though
[13:00] <sagaci> nisshh: much more than that, i think
[13:00] <Thisara_> I was thinking , 64bit for 64bit CPUs and 32bit for older CPUs
[13:00] <nisshh> sagaci, yeah, not that it matters :)
[13:00] <Thisara_> so thats not correct ?
[13:00] <nisshh> Thisara_, yeah, anything from the late pentium 4's onwards was 64 bit capable
[13:00] <sagaci> nisshh: I think you're referring to how much Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit can "handle" :P
[13:01] <Thisara_> yes
[13:01] <nisshh> sagaci, yeah, i cant remember how much it is, some very large amount :)
[13:01] <sagaci> i've always stayed with 32-bit
[13:01] <nisshh> sagaci, i pulled that number out of my memory, so dont expect correct facts there :)
[13:01] <Thisara_> Another basic question, Why Intel have 64bit CPUs and 32bit CPUs
[13:02] <nisshh> so have i
[13:02] <nisshh> Thisara_, AMD also have both 32 and 64 bit CPU's :)
[13:02] <Thisara_> OK
[13:02] <nisshh> but anyway
[13:02] <Thisara_> my earlier thinking was Ubuntu 64 bit should be installed in computers with 64bit CPUs
[13:03] <sagaci> 32-bit will run on 64-bit capable CPU
[13:03] <sagaci> but not vice-versa
[13:03] <head_victim> Sorry to interrupt but for everyone in here if they want to have a quick look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam and tell me what they think of the new header that would be appreciated.
[13:03] <nisshh> Thisara_, one thing you should undertstand is that 64 bit CPU's are not *only* 64 bit
[13:03] <nisshh> Thisara_, they are simply 64 bit capable
[13:04] <nisshh> so you can use a 32 bit OS with a 64 bit capable CPU if you want
[13:04] <sagaci> head_victim: not bad
[13:04] <head_victim> sagaci: I stole a lot of it but redid it all for our needs
[13:04] <Thisara_> ok thanks I didnt know that
[13:04] <nisshh> Thisara_, in you email you said you were in Perth, i happen to be not far from Perth :)
[13:04] <sagaci> head_victim: three australias looks a bit much though
[13:05] <sagaci> actually 4
[13:05] <nisshh> sagaci, just one would look a lot worse
[13:05] <head_victim> sagaci: yeah, I concur, any other suggestions for icons?
[13:05] <Thisara_> Anyone from Perth
[13:05] <nisshh> Thisara_, no, no one active anyway
[13:06] <head_victim> Thisara_: I'm in brisbane but regarding your 32/64 bit conversation I'd suggest a read of https://help.ubuntu.com/community/32bit_and_64bit
[13:06] <nisshh> Thisara_, years ago, there used to be a heap from Perth but they are no longer active in the LoCo
[13:06] <Thisara_> Head victim: ok I will
[13:06] <nisshh> Thisara_, until you came along im prettymuch the only one from WA in here :)
[13:07] <sagaci> head_victim: even if you changed the middle icon with an ubuntu circle of friends logo, would suffice i think
[13:07] <Thisara_> good
[13:07] <nisshh> wait, good?
[13:07] <nisshh> how is that good?
[13:07] <nisshh> :)
[13:07] <Thisara_> One question
[13:07] <nisshh> go ahead
[13:08] <nisshh> Thisara_, dont ask to ask, just ask :)
[13:09] <Thisara_> I installed the Ubuntu in my external HDD. I want to make a bootable HDD. But when I try to boot , It didnt
[13:10] <Thisara_> I already changed the boot sequence into external HDD 
[13:10] <nisshh> Thisara_, yeah, you need to follow the same procedure that your friend did when installing to the USB stick
[13:10] <head_victim> sagaci: I think it would be best to ahve them all different but need to find a third logo
[13:11] <Thisara_> Can't exactly remember the error messege, something like.. undidentified drive
[13:12] <sagaci> could anyone help me with a bit of ubuntu packaging
[13:12] <nisshh> Thisara_, ah ok
[13:12] <nisshh> sagaci, whats up?
[13:12] <sagaci> please don't send me to #ubuntu-packaging or to read the Packaging Guide - Complete, it's like going to Azkaban
[13:12] <Thisara_> I already have a USB pendrive, which has Ubuntu notebook remix. I tried that one instead of the external HDD, it worked
[13:13] <nisshh> sagaci, well, i was going to send you to #ubuntu-motu but :)
[13:13] <nisshh> sagaci, anyway, whats the issue?
[13:14] <sagaci> ah, i'm trying to package a wordlist generator, crunch.. http://sourceforge.net/projects/crunch-wordlist/
[13:14] <sagaci> could I just get a real high level view if it's possible for a noob to package it
[13:14] <nisshh> sagaci, are you packaging it purely just so you can install it on your machine?
[13:14] <sagaci> it's written in C
[13:15] <sagaci> nisshh: no, it's relatively easy to compile and use, I just wanted to explore the idea of packaging it for ubuntu
[13:16] <nisshh> sagaci, ah ok, i suggest you go to #ubuntu-motu then, while i know a little about packaging, the MOTU's are the true masters at it
[13:17] <sagaci> every step of the packaging guide seems like a huge leap
[13:17] <nisshh> sagaci, also, the best way is to get a MOTU to help you and then you could get it sponsored and uploaded
[13:17] <nisshh> yeah
[13:17] <sagaci> I even struggled to get a gpg key since gpg-agent wasn't running etc
[13:17] <nisshh> its not simple
[13:17] <nisshh> but the packaging guide is very good docs
[13:17] <sagaci> a lot of extra fluff that is in every ubuntu package
[13:18] <nisshh> yeah
[13:18] <sagaci> copyright, changelog, etc etc etc
[13:18] <sagaci> MOTU - recyclable materials for the internet, do you know it?
[13:18] <nisshh> Thisara_, ask your friend to do the same thing to the external drive that they did to the pen drive, the process is the same
[13:19] <nisshh> Thisara_, sorry, i cant help more, a) ive never done it, b) there are no docs for installing to an external hard drive tha i can find, sorry :)
[13:19] <nisshh> Thisara_, im still digging, ill let you know if i find something
[13:19] <Thisara_> nisshh : But unfortunately he left Perth
[13:20] <nisshh> ah ok
[13:21] <Thisara_> cant we use this ubuntu installation to create external bootable HDD , http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/download
[13:22] <nisshh> Thisara_, yes, a few little tweaks are needed, give me 5 minutes and ill have an answer for you :)
[13:23] <Thisara_> nisshh : ok
[13:23] <sagaci> i'd reinstall to make sure grub is installed to the external hdd and then make sure you select it to boot off when you boot, via the bios
[13:24] <nisshh> sagaci, yeah, that is needed, plus a tweaked grub is also required, still dont know what it is though
[13:25] <Thisara_> tweaked grub ??????
[13:27] <nisshh> Thisara_, grub is Ubuntu bootloader, no need to stress, it should be very easy to do :)
[13:31] <head_victim> sagaci: check again see what you think
[13:32] <nisshh> Thisara_, sorry, this is taking a little while, the guy has disappeared :)
[13:33] <sagaci> head_victim: yeah, better
[13:34] <head_victim> sagaci: thanks for the input
[13:35] <sagaci> anyone used one of those flexible keyboards? http://shop.canonical.com/product_info.php?products_id=800
[13:36] <head_victim> yeah not a fan, great for cleaning and travelling not so good to type on
[13:36] <head_victim> I had too many missed keypresses
[13:36] <sagaci> it's like compiz rotating cube all over again
[13:38] <nisshh> Thisara_, the guy telling me how to do it is having connection issues, so it may be a long time before he is able to tell me, sorry :)
[13:38] <Thisara_> nisshh : If you find how to make a bootable external HDD, can u pls email me
[13:38] <nisshh> Thisara_, sure, will do :)
[13:38] <Thisara_> nisshh : for the time being I am learning stuff from Ubuntu forum
[13:39] <nisshh> cool
[13:39] <Thisara_> nisshh : Its time to wrap up and go home
[13:39] <nisshh> Thisara_, which version of Ubuntu are you using?
[13:39] <nisshh> ok
[13:39] <head_victim> Thisara_: glad you can join us, someone might post more information to the list for you late
[13:39] <head_victim> r
[13:40] <Thisara_> nisshh : I have no idea of that right now since I am in Windows now
[13:40] <nisshh> Thisara_, ok, dont worry about it for now, have a good night :)
[13:41] <sagaci> ahh, so makes sense to package for debian so lots more will benefit, etc
[13:41] <Thisara_> nisshh: thanks lot. Good Night
[13:41] <Thisara_> nisshh: Byee.!
[13:43] <nisshh> :)
[13:43] <nisshh> finally another WA user :)
[13:44] <head_victim> Hmm that header, I just saw it on the wife's windows PC. It has lots of white space just underneath the orange bar and the corners are square (meant to be rounded) is that what you're referring to nisshh ?
[13:44] <nisshh> head_victim, yeah
[13:45] <head_victim> Weird, I'm on FF 3.6
[13:45] <nisshh> head_victim, thats how it looks in chromium anyway
[13:45] <nisshh> let my try ff 4.0
[13:45] <head_victim> Really odd.
[13:45] <head_victim> I just looked under chromium as well
[13:45] <nisshh> and?
[13:46] <head_victim> Square with lots of whitespace
[13:46] <nisshh> head_victim, it renders fine in ff 4.0, that is strange :)
[13:46] <head_victim> Wonder what is broken, might write up a bug
[13:46] <nisshh> in ff 4.0 it has rounded corners and no whitespace
[15:40] <thisara> nisshh are u still there
[15:43] <nisshh> thisara, yeah
[15:44] <thisara> nisshh,. thanks for the email
[15:44] <sagaci> i wish i were asleep
[15:44] <nisshh> thisara, np :)
[15:44] <thisara> how to install grub
[15:45] <nisshh> thisara, there is an option during the graphical install for it,
[15:46] <thisara> good , so I can use normal ubuntu istaller
[15:47] <thisara> installer which I found in http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/download 
[15:47] <thisara> ?
[15:50] <nisshh> yeah
[15:50] <nisshh> thats the one to use
[15:54] <thisara> nisshh : thanks. I will try and let u know the results later. Sorry for too many childish questions.
[15:55] <nisshh> thisara, not a problem :)