[00:51] <mdeslaur> fta: I thought he just got it to build...is it in the sound menu now?
[01:23] <fta> mdeslaur, hm, doesn't look like it
[01:32] <mdeslaur> fta: ok, I'll fix it
[01:39] <mdeslaur> fta: fixed rhythbox uploaded
[01:40] <fta> great
[01:41] <fta> micahg, funny, i packaged bluegriffon like 2 years ago
[01:43] <micahg> fta: oh, cool :), do you think it would be good to have in Ubuntu?
[01:43]  * micahg is just fixing the build system for xul2.0, not packaging bluegriffon
[01:43] <fta> micahg, iirc, i never uploaded it, something with upstream, i don't remember
[01:43] <fta> don't stop that guy if he's willing to do it ;)
[01:44] <micahg> I still would like to get songbird in the repos one day :-/
[01:44] <micahg> fta: no, I wanted to help, but had no time
[01:44] <micahg> but my helper disappeared into the ethos
[14:40] <fta> dpm, hi, why is there green there: https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/chromium-browser/translations/+lang/eu   it's all supposed to be purple
[14:43] <dpm> hi fta, that's a change in Launchpad that was announced (and applied) yesterday. Purple is going away, as it was causing confusion:
[14:43] <dpm> https://lists.launchpad.net/launchpad-users/msg06183.html
[14:43] <dpm> and there is ongoing work on sharing upstream translations with ubuntu packages that might make this obsolete anyway
[14:50] <fta> hm, in my case, it's confusing. i guess i have to generate my own stats
[15:00] <dpm> fta, yeah, I can understand that in your particular case. I'd suggest asking danilo in #launchpad to see if there are any alternatives
[15:18] <fta> mdeslaur, hi, the rb is still missing in the sound indicator here
[15:19] <fta> -the
[15:19] <mdeslaur> fta: even after starting it once?
[15:19] <fta> mdeslaur, just rebooted
[15:19] <fta> mdeslaur, i used to start it from there
[15:20] <mdeslaur> fta: let me try rebooting
[15:20] <fta> yep, it appears when started manually
[15:21] <mdeslaur> hmm
[15:21] <fta> no more covers though
[15:30] <mdeslaur> fta: It appears in the menu for me after a reboot, but the cover art is missing
[15:30] <mdeslaur> fta: and I also have two banshees, and when playing something in banshee, it shows it as playing in rhythmbox, etc.
[15:30] <fta> mdeslaur, i fully upgraded, rebooted, it wasn't there
[15:30] <mdeslaur> fta: you need to start it once for it to appear
[15:31] <fta> yep, not a big deal for me, but it will probably confuse some users
[15:32] <mdeslaur> fta: I don't know how to fix it.
[15:36] <mdeslaur> fta: actually, I think that's on purpose
[15:36] <mdeslaur> so there's only one default media player, and in natty, it's banshee
[15:37] <fta> oh, sad. they should detect which media player is the default in the gnome prefs
[15:37] <mdeslaur> fta: once you've started rhythmbox just once, it'll always appear, even after a reboot
[15:37] <mdeslaur> so it's no biggie
[15:38] <fta> ok
[15:41] <fta> grrr, i can't use dconf and can't change anything with dconf-editor
[15:45] <mdeslaur> fta: yeah, that appears to be broken
[15:45] <mdeslaur> fta: try gsettings get com.canonical.indicators.sound interested-media-players
[15:51] <mdeslaur> fta: could you please confirm bug 693445
[15:51] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 693445 in d-conf (Ubuntu) "[natty] dconf-editor won't allow certain values to be modified (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/693445
[15:52] <fta> done
[15:53] <mdeslaur> fta: thanks
[16:33] <fta> dpm, translation erros keep pilling up
[16:33] <fta> errors
[16:36] <dpm> fta, I'm wondering if you could send an e-mail to each particular team with the error report. If you know the language code of the translations with errors, figuring out the team's name should be relatively easy (lp-l10n-$LANGCODE) and you can get the e-mail through the LP api
[16:36] <dpm> if not, I'd send another heads up with the report to the launchpad-translators list
[16:37] <fta> dpm, i'll think about it. current situation is not ideal, it's not correlated to the translators workflow
[16:38] <fta> dpm, ideally, lp should have a way to tag a string as needing review *with* a reason
[16:39] <fta> dpm, all that using the api
[16:39] <dpm> fta, another option is what danilo was suggesting the other day: make the %{VARIABLES} use gettext-like syntax and you'd get syntax checking for free
[16:39] <dpm> fta, yeah, but there isn't a translations api yet :(
[16:39] <dpm> well, just a partial one
[16:40] <fta> dpm, is there any plan for improving the api?
[16:41] <fta> dpm, if i change the %{}, that would mean zillions string changes
[16:43] <dpm> fta, there isn't any plan for the api, due to lack of resources in the LP team to work on that. There was some community work on implementing API for reporting: https://dev.launchpad.net/Translations/Specs/ReportingAPI - however, it's been on hold for a while now due to the guy working on it being busy with other projects
[16:46] <dpm> fta, yeah, I agree changing the strings would not be optimal, just pointing it out as an option
[17:35]  * micahg hates the choice of running Firefox 4 or Virtualbox
[18:36] <czajkowski> aloha
[18:37] <czajkowski> fta: I've been told to poke you re an issue I have http://twitpic.com/3igg3a/full
[18:38] <czajkowski> fta: all text links jumble the text on planet ubuntu and words go behind theright hand border but not everyone is having this issue
[18:38] <fta> d'oh! looks bad
[18:38] <fta> 1st time i see this
[18:38] <czajkowski> yeah since the new css it's really messed up reading for me on the planet
[18:39] <fta> does it also do that with a fresh profile? (chromium-browser --temp-profile)
[18:39] <czajkowski> let me see
[18:40] <czajkowski> fta: yes it does
[18:41] <fta> ok, so it's not one of your extension
[18:41] <fta> which channel is that? stable?
[18:41] <czajkowski> yes
[18:41] <czajkowski> Maverick
[18:42] <czajkowski> fta: http://twitpic.com/3igj5k/full
[18:47] <fta> czajkowski, looks like an upstream bug, could you please file a bug? http://new.crbug.com/
[18:48] <fta> and attach your screenshots
[18:48] <czajkowski> sure
[18:50] <fta> thanks
[18:51] <czajkowski> np
[18:52] <czajkowski> http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=67817
[19:08] <fta> czajkowski, Cced a dev usually liking this kind of bugs
[19:09] <fta> czajkowski, btw, please have a look at bug 686575 comment #7 for what he's requesting to isolate that kind of bug
[19:09] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 686575 in chromium-browser (Ubuntu) "chromium-browser incorrectly inteprets which HTML element is designated by mouse pointer (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/686575
[19:09] <czajkowski> people like these kinda bugs, where it's messed up on one persons but not anothers!
[19:09] <czajkowski> bonkers
[19:12] <czajkowski> no isue on ff
[19:16] <fta> oh, happens to me too, running the daily builds
[19:21] <fta> czajkowski, ^^, seems to be the ubuntu font
[19:21] <czajkowski> aye I did wonder that but that shouldn't effect the text going behind the border
[19:21] <czajkowski> I know some peoples titles look awful
[19:24] <fta> czajkowski, known: http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=59048
[19:25] <czajkowski> fta: cheers at least I know it's not just me :)
[19:25] <czajkowski> not used to looking at bugs not on lp :)
[19:27] <fta> czajkowski, zoom in + out works around it
[19:29] <fta> czajkowski, you've just gained a META bug :)
[19:30] <czajkowski> a what ?
[19:30] <fta> woo.. it's snowing hard in Paris :)
[19:31]  * czajkowski is sick of seeing snow 
[19:31] <fta> czajkowski, just an umbrella bug, collecting a bunch of other bugs
[19:31] <czajkowski> EVIL SNOW
[19:31] <czajkowski> fta: ah ok thanks
[19:32] <fta> midori just crashes, so much for a wekbit test
[19:37] <czajkowski> fta: been stuck at airports and train stations for the last while.  I know a lotta folks were trying to go via france till paris shut down then eurostar stoped taking bookings
[21:51] <fta> chrisccoulson, http://people.ubuntu.com/~fta/ntp.png  another gnome3 weirdness? or a chromium bug
[21:51] <micahg> jdstrand: my chroots didn't work right and virtualbox doesn't like me at the moment
[21:54] <jdstrand> micahg: ack
[21:54] <micahg> jdstrand: is it easy to mount shares with kvm and libvirt?
[21:55]  * micahg doesn't want to clone qa-regression-tools in each vm
[21:55] <micahg> *testing
[21:55] <micahg> jdstrand: also, how much space does each image take?
[22:05] <jdstrand> micahg: the VMs?
[22:05] <micahg> jdstrand: yes
[22:06] <jdstrand> micahg: mine are 5G with 512M ram each
[22:06] <jdstrand> micahg: I have 2 for each supported release (i386 and amd64 installs)
[22:06] <micahg> jdstrand: can they grow as need or is the space preallocated?
[22:06] <micahg> jdstrand: do I need to test both archs?
[22:06] <jdstrand> micahg: I use qcow2 with snapshots and let them grow
[22:06] <jdstrand> micahg: for seamonkey-- no
[22:07] <jdstrand> micahg: for a supported package, yes
[22:07] <jdstrand> micahg: while growable, they max at 5G
[22:08] <micahg> jdstrand: so, the max size is predetermined or is 5G it?
[22:19] <jdstrand> micahg: it is however you set it up
[22:19] <micahg> jdstrand: ok, can you mount local dirs in the vms?
[22:20] <jdstrand> micahg: I use https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/TestingEnvironment
[22:20] <jdstrand> micahg: you can with samba, but I don't bother. I just use scp
[22:21] <micahg> jdstrand: ok, thanks, I guess I'll give this a try then
[22:22] <jdstrand> micahg: most of the security team uses kvm/libvirt
[22:22] <jdstrand> micahg: sbeattie uses virtualbox
[22:23] <jdstrand> micahg: you might also like virt-manager if using kvm/libvirt
[22:23]  * micahg has been using VirtualBox for years for Windows VMs
[22:23] <jdstrand> micahg: mdeslaur and kees uses virt-manager
[22:23] <jdstrand> micahg: well, I am not advocating change per se, but we do use virtualization for most if not all testing
[22:24] <micahg> which makes sense, also the overhead should be lower with kvm/libvirt I imagine
[22:25] <jdstrand> I like ie
[22:25] <jdstrand> it
[22:25] <jdstrand> but then again, I am biased
[22:25] <micahg> is that why you help maintain it ;)
[22:25] <jdstrand> I wrote the apparmor driver for libvirt
[22:25] <jdstrand> hehe, yes
[22:26] <micahg> jdstrand: are you taking any vacation this time of year?
[22:26] <jdstrand> oh yes
[22:27] <micahg> when do you start?
[22:27] <jdstrand> I am off tomorrow through the new year
[22:27] <jdstrand> I start back on the monday after the 1st
[22:27] <micahg> ah, is there anyone not going on vacation?
[22:27] <jdstrand> not really
[22:27] <micahg> so, who can I get to push the SM update once I test?
[22:33] <mdeslaur> Quotes page! <jdstrand> I like ie
[22:35] <jdstrand> pfft
[22:35] <jdstrand> in the #ubuntu-mozilla channel no less :)
[22:36] <mdeslaur> hehe :)
[22:36] <micahg> mdeslaur: when do you start vacation?
[22:36] <mdeslaur> micahg: I'm on vacation. Can't you tell? :)
[22:37] <micahg> ah
[22:37] <mdeslaur> micahg: I started yesterday, until the 3rd
[22:37] <micahg> mdeslaur: cool
[22:43] <micahg> jdstrand: BTW, should I be testing with openjdk or sun-java?
[22:49] <fta> could someone please try chromium on natty, the new tab page
[22:49] <fta> mine is broken: http://people.ubuntu.com/~fta/ntp.png
[22:50] <fta> micahg, ^^ ?
[22:50]  * micahg isn't on natty yet
[22:51] <mdeslaur> fta: seems to be working for me
[22:51] <fta> mdeslaur, which build?
[22:51] <mdeslaur> fta: natty: 8.0.552.224~r68599-0ubuntu1, Pocket: release, Component: universe
[22:52] <fta> hm, ok, so maybe it's trunk only then
[22:53] <fta> let's see if lp still has older builds to bisect
[23:03] <jdstrand> micahg: yes please. just openjdk-6 is fine on all
[23:03] <micahg> and I assume flashplugin-nonfree on all is ok as well?
[23:03] <jdstrand> micahg: look at testlib_browser.py
[23:03] <jdstrand> micahg: grep QRT testlib_browser.py
[23:05] <micahg> ah, I read that before, I guess I forgot about it
[23:13] <fta> mdeslaur, n-m, it was caused by an extension: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/bpeohalpamaeaimliodkepkphdnhdidf