[00:19] [Martin Meredith] Why Google Apps might not be right for your Enterprise - http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/SourceGuru/~3/DowG63spCBs/ [00:43] evening all [00:47] * popey tickles AlanBell [00:51] * AlanBell giggles [00:52] that font bug was bigger news than I thought it would be [00:52] 655305 [00:52] bug 655305 [00:52] Launchpad bug 655305 in ubuntu-font-family-website "font.ubuntu.com needs the font hosted for web embedding" [Wishlist,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/655305 [00:58] AlanBell: how was the party? === MonsterKiller is now known as monsterkiller [01:29] how did the meetup go ? [01:29] or everyone is still out clubbing and drunk etc ? :) [01:29] or early to bed (more like heh) [01:32] exobuzz: I am ... a bit... tiddly [01:33] nn [01:33] exobuzz: We left the venue around 10:30 [01:33] nice [01:33] popey, good night ? [01:33] oh. your off to bed now. sorry :) [01:36] A good idea. === zarathustra is now known as Zarathustraz [05:52] Hi, could anyone recommend me to Python learning resources? I do not know any other programming languages and intend to learn basics. [06:04] in lieu of anyone who actually knows what they're talking about being awake, I've found http://code.google.com/edu/languages/google-python-class/ to be worth the time [06:04] other than that, 6am on morning after the ubuntu-uk christmas do may not be the best time to ask, so you might want to stick around a while :) [06:05] okay cheers for response [06:06] found "think python: how to think like a computer scientist" seems good [08:16] good morning! [08:16] and an extra loud GOOD MORNING for all those who drank to excess at the xmas party last night :) [08:18] * AlanBell moans softly in protest at danfish [08:20] * danfish injects paracetamol and alkaseltzer into the channel [08:46] hey guys [08:46] MySQL - any ideas how to time a query from the sql commandline? [08:47] andylockran: it should tell you how long a query took to run by default [08:48] bigcalm: know how to alter the precision of that? [08:48] at the moment it's only to two decimal places [08:48] 5 rows in set (0.88 sec) [08:48] for example [08:48] andylockran: not something I've looked into [08:53] Seems only way is to use some perl/php or similair and microtime it ? [08:53] start and finish and work out the difference [08:53] Can't find a way in mysql itself [08:53] set profiling=1 [08:53] But doesn't increase the milisecs does it ? [08:56] http://dev.mysql.com/tech-resources/articles/using-new-query-profiler.html [08:56] show profiles; [09:01] Morning [09:07] popey: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZ5u2DsZHQs [09:13] i have returned [09:14] on my laptop that is [09:16] I am back [09:16] horray he's back [09:16] who me? [09:17] yeah you, you re my brother [09:17] oh yeah thats right [09:19] [Jono Bacon] Working Together To Get Unity Ready For Natty - http://www.jonobacon.org/2010/12/22/working-together-to-get-unity-ready-for-natty/ [09:21] just to let you know Ferb is my brother [09:25] ive gotta go and work on the mega rolercoster bue [09:25] bye [09:25] bye Ferb [09:26] there goes my brother [09:36] * Phineas detects this channel is dead [09:38] yep this channel is dead alright [09:40] hiya [09:40] until now [09:40] hi [09:40] hi Phineas - do you use dropbox? [09:40] just curious, as I see it has a linux client [09:41] dwatkins, no i don't sorry [09:41] no worries, I'll have to actually go find some reviews of it online ;-) [09:41] http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/15-free-guides-teach-stuff/ mentioned it, and they're usually pretty savvy [09:42] also, I need to make a USB pendrive with useful stuff on it === root is now known as Guest60001 [09:42] hello guys its me majdekalel [09:42] hi Guest60001 [09:42] majdekalel, that is... [09:43] i removed ubuntu and now i'm installing Backtrack4 [09:43] its amazing [09:43] dwatkins: Dropbox is quite useful [09:43] thanks daubers [09:43] dwatkins: Quite a few phone clients for it too [09:44] backtrack is very close to ubuntu ? [09:44] yeah, that could be really handy in terms of storing things I might randomly need access to, daubers [09:44] is there any relation ? [09:44] What distro is backtrack based on, Guest60001? [09:45] ubuntu last time i tried it dwatkins [09:45] 4 [09:45] i dont know ! [09:45] i think its ubuntu ! [09:46] What does its documentation, homepage, wikipedia entry etc. say, Guest60001? [09:46] i'm installing it right now ! [09:46] when i open the doc i will tell you ! [09:46] but its very close to ubuntu [09:46] f@@@@ it didn't work [09:47] What didn't Phineas? [09:48] firing up a pc thats about 10 years old (fail) [09:49] it just doesn't wanna know [09:49] boot up and turn off on a loop, thats what i get [09:50] not entirely surprising, but if you reduce it down to the essential components, perhaps a single fault will present itself [09:50] i.e. take out any PCI cards not required for booting and disconnect everything but the boot disk [09:53] fingers crossed this will work [09:54] bios beep, thats a good sign [09:54] windows 3.1 boot screen [09:55] What did you change, Phineas? [09:55] trying to boot againforced shut down automatically, now [09:56] forced shut down automatically, now thers a bios beep 9not usal beep) and it restarts [09:57] i didnt change anything just tried it aGAIN [09:58] beep code 2-1-3 [09:58] 3-1-3 [09:58] sorry [09:58] 3-1-3 [09:59] acording to google this means [09:59] Master interrupt mask register failure [10:00] what does this mean [10:00] that your interrupt controler is confused :) [10:01] this could be why it all of a sudden reboots during startup (splash screen then reboot) [10:02] controler IC has failed [10:02] yes [10:02] how do i solve this [10:02] get a soldering iron, replace IC [10:03] whats IC? [10:03] integrated circuit ("chip") [10:03] Assuming it's not a resistor or something on the board that's gone and the IC is confused because it's not getting a clear signal [10:03] it's either a bit of the CPU (easy to replace) or part of the mainboard [10:03] daubers: or one of those exploding caps [10:03] how do i know what is is [10:04] MartijnVdS: Heh, they where fun [10:04] Phineas: very hard to determine unless you have a background with electronics/electronic engineering [10:04] no i havnt [10:05] daubers: you have a strange definition of "fun" :) [10:05] MartijnVdS, you just reminded me of a pc i have to fix (something went bang = beep code) [10:05] popey: I'm addicted to Minecraft [10:05] MartijnVdS: Anything that explodes is fun by defintion! [10:06] MartijnVdS, you just reminded me of a pc i have to fix (something went bang = beep code) [10:06] anyway back to the issue [10:06] Capacitors are easy enough to replace if it's one or two, but don't try replacing all 50 on an iMac motherboard. [10:08] there are loads of capacitors and stuff like that how do i know what the issue is [10:08] it's hard to know for sure these days [10:08] Phineas: check if any of them are bulged at the top, there's a good page on wikipedia which describes the electrolyte problem [10:09] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitor_plague [10:09] Phineas: First step is to open the machine up, carefully clean out all the dust and rubbish and see if there are any damaged components on the board (black areas on the board are a giveaway, but not necessaily visible). Sometimes you just have to sit with a multimeter and test each one in turn [10:10] Hello. [10:13] Hello [10:13] Hello hoover . How are you? [10:13] Mornign all! :) o/ [10:13] Hello selinuxium . How are you? [10:14] Silver_Fox_, not bad at all thank you :) [10:14] Silver_Fox_, your good self? [10:14] daubers, found sevrial capasitors which have vented via the top and one is very slightly leaking [10:15] yay! plague! [10:16] Phineas: Yup, You could attempt to replace them. Depending on whether the machine is worth it or not [10:16] Phineas: You'd need to find equivalent capacitors to replace them [10:16] i don't know what type of capasitors they are [10:17] and then solder them on. But a lot of motherboards are multilayer, so it can be an absolute pig to get right [10:17] i'll give it a try [10:18] There's normally a band on capacitors either giving their capacity (in uF) or a part number [10:19] in the mean time i'm going to try an slightly older matchine and see if it boots (have checked stuff on circit boards, look ok) [10:19] time for the count down till boot up [10:19] count me down [10:20] 5 [10:20] 4 [10:20] 3 [10:20] 2 [10:21] 1 [10:21] *BOOM* [10:21] boot up time ,15 year old pc no signs of bad stuff on circit board [10:22] * Phineas hits the power button [10:22] Phineas: http://www.badcaps.net/forum/ might help with the caps [10:22] HOLY S@@@ [10:23] when i pressed the power button something went bang [10:23] I have the opportunity of a 32" HD (full 1080p) TV, it has a VGA PC input, my question is would this work well as a monitor? I fairly certain my graphics card would be able to handle it [10:24] It should work [10:24] If it has HDMI or DVI in that would be even better [10:24] but plain old VGA should work [10:24] damn it the pc tripped the switch [10:24] what went bang? [10:24] don't think it has DVI [10:25] Apacheuk: an hdtv with no hd inputs?! :) [10:25] Apacheuk: it should have HDMI at least [10:25] it has 3 HDMI inputs [10:25] HDMI and DVI are kind of the same - the right cabel can go from one to the other [10:25] Apacheuk: most new graphics cards and mainboards have HDMI out [10:25] the way its been described to me it sounds like a standard VGA input [10:25] what went bang when i pressed the power button? [10:26] Phineas: whatever the smoke is now coming from? [10:26] let me check.... need to crawl under the desk [10:27] graphics card just has 2 DVI outputs [10:27] i see no smoke, only a tiny (very tiny) amount of smoke [10:27] Apacheuk: You can buy DVI to HDMI converters/cables [10:28] yeah... card is a GForce8800 GT [10:28] something small went bang as everything looks intact [10:28] Apacheuk: the converters don't depend on the graphics card :) [10:28] yeah, I figured that... was just mentioning the card as a side [10:30] whets small in a pc and goes bang? [10:31] sometimes [10:31] OK, well thats settled then.... looks like I have a nearly *new* monitor for Christmas :) [10:32] Phineas: thats sounds like a Christmas cracker joke :) [10:32] i cant see what went bang, all looks ok, but it wont boot [10:32] Phineas: probably a capacitor [10:32] MartijnVdS, do they go bang? [10:32] Phineas: perhaps the powersupply tripped [10:33] Phineas: if it's not booting at all tehn it's probably something in the power supply. Be careful poking at it, they can hold quite a bit of charge even after unplugged. [10:34] it cant be the power suply as the motherboard has a power led which is on [10:34] That only proves one rail actually has power on it. [10:35] so what could it be [10:36] Just about anything, this isn't really something you can figure out easilly over IRC. [10:36] heres a photo of a circit board from the pc [10:37] http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b9/Vp6_blown_capacitor.jpg [10:37] General debugging procedure for a dead machine: remove all non-essencial components, if it still doesn't boot swap out essential components for known good ones till it does. [10:38] Phineas: I'd be tempted to recycle the PC and get a new one [10:38] ok that image was of the internet [10:38] yeah, I assume yours is as bad, Phineas [10:39] dwatkins, the 10 year old pc looks like that [10:39] this pc has one exploaded cap in it [10:40] yeah, Phineas, I guess you need to ask yourself if it's worth replacing the components [10:41] i don't know what type of cap the one that expoaded [10:44] I am fine thank you selinuxium . :) [10:53] * directhex_ is cutting ties [10:55] Burning bridges, directhex_? [10:55] dwatkins: wiping my office computers [10:55] sorry, just being silly [10:55] the osx installer is obliterating my triple-boot imac [10:55] ooh, I want to triple-boot my Macbook [10:56] I got a windows game recently, and would like to also run a linux on it if possible [10:57] AlanBell: have you been eating popey's mincepies? [10:58] they were AlanBells :) [10:58] Aha [10:58] Morning :) [10:59] popey: see the vid I pasted? [10:59] no [10:59] popey: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZ5u2DsZHQs [10:59] popey, I liked your snowman [11:02] his nose fell out [11:02] ooo and an eye [11:03] looking a bit sad now [11:03] aww [11:03] Maybe he should get patched up ? [11:15] directhex_: I think I'd best do a complete backup first [11:18] dwatkins: the only caveat with tri-booting a mac is you're limited to 4 partitions total with dodgy mac GPT/MBR duality, and one is already taken by EFI data... so you get ONE linux partition only. [11:19] no /boot partition, no swap partition [11:19] directhex_: swap can live in a file, so I imagine that's ok [11:19] also, who needs swap with 4GB of RAM? ;-) [11:20] dwatkins: yes swap can live in a file, well remembered [11:20] and you need swap of at least the same size as ram if you want to suspend-to-disk [11:21] ah yes, although I wonder if that works on a triple-boot Mac... [11:23] also, use refit not bootcamp as your boot loader [11:23] chain-load grub from refit to boot linux [11:39] Aloha [11:39] Ooo my VLC icon is wearing a santa hat [11:40] KrisWillis, cool innit? :) [11:40] That.. err, easter egg, has been in VLC for years and years === Hornet- is now known as Hornet [11:49] czajkowski: o/ [11:50] czajkowski: All calmed down now you made it home? [11:51] yup [11:51] fry up being arranged now [11:51] :D [11:51] nyomy [11:51] \o/ [11:51] artery clogging goodness [11:53] bah you are making me hungry!!!!! [11:54] sausssages [11:54] fried eggs [11:54] brown bread [11:54] tea [11:54] oh some rashers as well [11:55] czajkowski, Grrr... I haven't even had brekky yet! [11:56] * selinuxium decides that food is now the only option... Tools down. [12:00] anyone got a DS lite they want to sell? [12:00] friend of mine has one that has gone pop [12:00] selinuxium: you're going to begrudge me a fry up ! [12:01] <_H> mmmm -8 and my lips are bleeding [12:01] <_H> :/ [12:52] czajkowski: now you've made me want a fry up :( [12:52] * bigcalm grins and burps [12:53] czajkowski: Yes you got to Ireland didn't you we don't need to be nice anymore :P [12:54] :) [12:54] davmor2: you'll miss my poking! [12:56] Hmm interesting bug [12:56] * bigcalm pokes minecraft and its lack of text [12:56] hmm empathy wont connect on my home connection [12:58] czajkowski: what bit of empathy won't [12:58] davmor2: wont connect to my jabber client [12:58] Jabber \o/ [12:58] ah MattJ [12:59] Me \o/ [12:59] need to badger you about prosody at some point [12:59] Badgers \o/ [12:59] Snow \o/ [12:59] popey: how was last night ? [12:59] i configured it as per the site and it doesn't work :( [12:59] people hilighting matt \o/ [12:59] popey: define "doesn't work"? [12:59] but I dont have time to go through it right now [12:59] k [12:59] hooray! [12:59] Everyones favourite bug description [12:59] "Doesn't work" [13:00] :) [13:00] bah [13:00] it didnt like my domain [13:00] It should be on the list of things not to say [13:00] i have since wiped the machine and reinstalled [13:00] so need to start again [13:01] the documentation did seem lacking [13:01] Lies! [13:01] someone here told me to maintain some global config file which wasnt mentioned in the doc I read [13:02] The main problem I have with the Prosody docs is people not reading what's there, or expecting else there to be something that isn't there [13:02] There is only one config file [13:02] Oh, the Debian package splits it :( [13:02] I don't like that, but I don't have any hard reason to get it changed [13:03] I'll take another look later [13:03] Ping me, I should be around [13:03] but I _did_ read the docs [13:03] or say Jabber and I'll magically appear [13:03] MattJ: Yeah, the debian packages moves the domains stuff out [13:03] heh [13:03] yeah, thats the issue I had, it didn't accept that it was the jabber server for my domain [13:04] daubers: Yeah. Nominally I'm the maintainer, but I didn't do that and don't like it much [13:04] anwway.. ater [13:04] See you [13:04] * MattJ goes to dig some snow [13:04] davmor2: any idea [13:04] czajkowski, No my dear, I would not not even consider such an act... :) [13:05] selinuxium: :) === monsterkiller is now known as MonsterKiller [13:22] afternoon [13:39] czajkowski: sorry any idea as to what? Why your jabber won't connect? [13:39] aye [13:40] czajkowski: Sorry not a clue I don't use jabber other than when services use it, popey is possibly a better bet for that [13:40] davmor2: cheers [13:41] * czajkowski pokes popey any idea ? jabber will not connect in home over here [13:44] czajkowski: Where is the server? [13:45] czajkowski: where to? What's the error? [13:48] davmor2: MattJ one is my gmail and one is @siriusit.co.uk neither will connect under empathy or pidgin [13:49] Was going to suggest pidgin, I have had nothing but issues with connectivity with empathy in last 2 releases [13:49] Could never find the issue to resolve it. [13:49] Or raise a bug as i didn't know the cause [13:50] czajkowski: can you access your gmail account and can you use gtalk from the browser, also can you use gtalk on your mobile? [13:50] czajkowski: sounds like a network/firewall issue then [13:50] davmor2: aye I can [13:51] MattJ: hmmm [13:51] shall poke later [13:51] thanks [14:03] numpy === denny- is now known as denny [14:26] How about some coolwhip [15:44] hi Ferb here [15:47] Hello Ferb [15:48] I am Phineas s brother [16:16] erk... popey is offline! [16:17] Daviey, not anymore. Xmas is saved! [16:21] http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/2010/12/22/s03e23-departure-of-a-grand-old-man/ [16:21] including pantomime! [16:29] In my twitter stream, popey's re-tweet of UUPC appears before UUPC [16:29] :) [16:29] The world is mad! [16:30] bigcalm: only the twitter world, real world is way more insane [17:17] hello all [17:17] anyone had problems connecting to Skype? I'm getting a "p2p connection" error... very strange [17:18] only started this afternoon, and there haven't been any updates to my box [17:18] 16:27:33 < jcastro> according to the internet Skype was down worldwide for 10-15 minutes [17:19] [Ubuntu UK Podcast] S03E23 Departure of a Grand Old Man - http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/2010/12/22/s03e23-departure-of-a-grand-old-man/ [17:19] popey, thanks... still borked for me!! :) In Brasil... could be the problem? [17:19] no idea [17:23] oh [17:24] that will be why skype crashed for no reason for me [17:24] gord: no that's just you :P [17:25] gord, did come back up ok? [17:26] gr33npeace, havn't tried to start it back up yet [17:28] gord, ok thanks... looks like their forums have fallen over as well... not boding well! [17:33] hope it does completely [17:34] *dies [17:34] yeah skype isn't connecting for me, ho-hum, wanted to play some online games with friends tonight as well :( [17:34] popey: ;] [17:38] * MattJ confesses, he unplugged Skype [17:39] so people would use Jabber (\o/) instead? [17:39] Of course \o/ [17:45] czajkowski: jabber uses 5222 - attempt to telnet to talk.google.com on 5222 [17:45] if the fw has blocked it [17:46] then either disable fw or ssh proxy :p ssh -D 2345 work.server.com [17:46] then set proxy to localhost:2345 socksv5 :) [17:58] omg omg omg omg steam sale day 3 starts any second now [17:59] wow, this ubuntu software centre thing really sucks [17:59] it took a really long time to install the software, then popped an error message, then claimed the software was installed [18:00] so now i have no idea if the software installed properly or not, or even if the package database is even in a working state [18:00] nice job, whoever coded this... [18:00] filed a bug? [18:01] which package should i file a bug against? [18:01] software-center would be a good start [18:01] where are the logs for software centre? [18:01] ali1234: what package were you installing [18:01] skype [18:01] i still use aptitude for everything [18:02] i typed "aptiget" the other day [18:02] ali1234: have you gone to Applications>Internet>Skype to see if it's there? [18:02] no, because this machine does not have that, it is running UNR [18:02] what about alt+f2 then type skype? [18:02] besides, it wasn't skype that caused the error [18:02] it was libasound2 [18:03] which apparently failed during "installArchives()" [18:03] run apt-get install -f [18:04] oh yeah, skype doesn't show in synaptic etc by default, because it is in the partner repo [18:04] that'll check if anything is broken gets fixed [18:04] it only shows up in software centre [18:04] hence why i used it [18:04] that and because that's what the skype installation page tells you to do (on the wiki) [18:04] right - I'm to bed [18:04] night [18:04] nn [18:05] \o [18:14] Gah, email is down! [18:14] nooooo [18:14] all email in the world?! [18:14] All the email in the world! [18:19] [Tony] Well, thats about all we have time for - http://tonywhitmore.co.uk/blog/2010/12/22/well-thats-about-all-we-have-time-for/ [18:26] is anyone else fed up of Christmas yet? [18:28] \o [18:29] that tends to happen to me around october [18:29] gord: Christmas stuff doesn't start until mid-december here, because mid-november - early-december we have "Sinterklaas" [18:30] tell us more [18:30] jacobw: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinterklaas [18:34]