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reya276morning everyone14:08
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reya276hey if I wanted to show my mom some pictures of my kids but I don't want to put them on Picasa or Facebook, could I use Ubuntu One to do this. If I share a folder would she be able to access it?15:01
reya276meaning from the web, like would she be able to go to a web address and see it15:02
mhall119reya276: if you make it public, she should be able to15:04
reya276ah ok cool15:05
reya276thanks15:05
reya276ok so I share it and make it public15:05
zoopsterreya276: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne/FAQ/CanIPublishFiles15:19
reya276zoopster, thanks15:23
reya276dang that is awesome15:24
reya276hey anyone use Banshee, and has it gotten any better in terms of system resources?15:25
reya276hey does anyone know how to upgrade the Andorid 2.1 OS to either 2.2 or 2.3?15:48
itnet7reya276: on a captivate?15:50
reya276yes15:51
itnet7I think you should receive the 2.2 over the air15:51
itnet7I am not sure if it's the same as with my phone15:51
itnet7but you can go to 15:51
reya276nope the folks at ATT wont give me the darn update15:51
reya276you have a ATT Samsung Captive15:52
itnet7Oh, Okay, hold on a sec, my buddy has a captivate let me see what he did15:52
itnet7Mine is an evo15:52
itnet7htc15:52
itnet7but15:52
itnet7Did you root yours?15:52
reya276root? no I have it exactly as when I left the store with a few apps I installed but that is it15:53
mhall119zoopster: you available for lunch today?15:53
itnet7I am asking him to bring his phone by15:53
itnet7not sure if he's in the middle of something will let you know!15:53
itnet7hey there mhall119 ! 15:54
mhall119hey itnet7 15:54
reya276ok15:55
reya276my task manager sucks on this phone it wont kill the apps I tell it to15:55
itnet7reya276: it seems as though you'll only receive 2.1 update 115:56
itnet7If you want 2.2 you'll have to root it and add a custom Rom15:56
itnet7One of my other friends with a captivate has done it, if you want I can ask him for the links he used 15:58
reya276ok how can I do that15:58
reya276yes please15:58
reya276hey in the mean time do you know of a good taks manager app I can use because the one that comes with the phone sucks15:58
itnet7What is the one that comes with phone called?16:00
itnet7Wow, there are so many of them in the market, I can't even recognize the one I used to use all the time16:02
itnet7I believe the one I've used is called, "Advanced Task Killer"16:04
itnet7reya276: http://theunlockr.com/2010/08/02/how-to-load-a-custom-rom-on-the-samsung-captivate-vibrant/16:07
itnet7This seems to have links for everything16:07
reya276itnet7, thanks16:07
itnet7I will find out later which Rom he used if I can get a hold of him, He's not here today at work16:08
itnet7this place is becoming like a ghost town16:08
itnet7^ meaning my workplace16:08
mhall119it's that time of year16:09
reya276itnet7, ah you need a windows PC16:09
itnet7Yeah, that's the bad part about samsung phones16:09
itnet7and it's only to unroot process16:09
itnet7once you get passed that, you can do everything else in Linux16:10
reya276darn it, but the thing works so well with ShotWell and Rhythmbox16:10
reya276oh will that mess up my ability to use those two apps16:10
itnet7I am trying to find an alternate way16:10
itnet7for ya16:10
reya276itnet, oh no worries I have a VM on this PC, hey will I still be able to use my phone as a regular ATT phone?16:16
reya276meaning ATT wont know anything right16:16
reya276Also was the performance better for you16:16
RoAkSoAxitnet7: dude how's it going16:21
RoAkSoAx/win/win 316:23
itnet7RoAkSoAx: not bad and you? Leaving the building now for lunch... bbiab! :-)16:37
RoAkSoAxitnet7: ah lunch... u just reminded me im hungry lol!!!16:44
reya276wow, now I understand why is it that from a customers point of view people prefer to use an iphone rather than get something from these individual manufactures tied with a carrier such as ATT, the tech support and software update procedure is horrible. Why could they not just let google take care of all the OS updates.17:14
reya276jesus, I mean is a great phone but the update OS procedure is horrible17:15
zoopsterheh...sorry mhall119 had to run some errands today17:41
zoopsterreya276: you don't think the iphone update is horrendous? do they have OTA yet?17:43
maxolase1squadreya276: Comapring Android and iPhone doesn't always make sense.17:44
maxolase1squadAndroid is an OS.  An iPhone is a packaged device that includes a specific piece of software running on a specific piece of hardware, and for now, with a specific carrier.17:44
maxolase1squadI welcome the range of available devices that run Android.  It is to be expected that some implementations of Android are better than others.17:45
zoopstergood point maxolase1squad - interesting post recently by Tim Bray about that subject on the android dev blog18:07
mhall119zoopster: no worries18:09
klutzAnyone know about evercookies?18:19
mhall119I've heard of it18:21
reya276zoopster, no I think you guys don't understand what I mean. I'm talking about from a users point of view for example right now I want to update my phone and I can't because ATT has to do it instead of Google taking care of it like apple does regardless about the damn thing being FOSS or not that is not what I'm talking about.18:21
mhall119klutz: see http://www.securityweek.com/nevercookie-eats-evercookie-new-firefox-plugin18:21
mhall119reya276: the difference is that Apple makes and sells the iPhone18:22
mhall119Google doesn't make or sell most Android phones18:22
mhall119Nexus is the only exception18:22
zoopsterand the iphone update mechanism STILL is hateful at best18:23
mhall119in fact, most Android phones come with a version of Android customized by the OEM or carrier, which isn't something Google could update18:23
reya276LIke right now my brother has an iphone 3GS like I did, he went in to iTunes synced the phone then clicked update to new iOS 4.2 and it did everything for him, on this device I have to wait until ATT gets of their butts when Google should be the one making the updates for the OS regarless of the carrier or manufactures18:24
itnet7reya276: it's actually samsung18:25
itnet7btw18:25
klutzhttps://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/search/?q=evercookie&cat=all&x=0&y=018:25
itnet7not at&t18:25
reya276ah no when I click on Software Updates it connects to ATT not Samsung18:25
itnet7and that is why I chose an evo over the epic18:25
reya276and it actually tells me I have to wait 24hrs to connect again, LOL18:25
itnet7reya276: You're hitting AT&T servers to try and get samsung updates18:26
reya276I'm not knocking Android or anything like that because I love the phone and OS, is just the darn OS update procedure which is horrible18:26
itnet7samsung uses proprietary hardware and releases the kernels and their own rolled android18:27
reya276well is the phone not me18:27
itnet7version18:27
itnet7You're missing the point18:27
itnet7When I had a behold2 it was the same problem18:27
itnet7Though I was on T-mobile18:27
itnet7samsung was repsonsible to bring the phone to Anroid 2.118:28
itnet7but they decided never to do that18:28
itnet7and they didn't release any new kernel updates so the community couldn't either18:28
itnet7That's why I left T-mobile18:28
itnet7it cost me $400.00 in Early Termination Fees18:29
maxolase1squadreya276: It is not the Android OS update that is horrible, it is the Android OS Update for your phone that is horrible.18:29
maxolase1squadThe Android update process my phone is very simple.18:30
maxolase1squadWhich is why you can't compare the iPhone's update process to the Android's update process. ... there is no Android update process.18:30
reya276I never said that Android OS was horrible, I'm talking about the manufactures update procedures18:31
reya276I love the OS better than the iphone 10 x fold18:31
maxolase1squadRight, you said the update process is bad.  But there is no Android OS update process to compare to the iPhone update process.18:32
reya276I just need to update it, but for some reason I can't get Vbox to pickup the device on WIndows XP18:32
maxolase1squadOh man, I've helped a few people get the Windows drivers for their Android phones, so they could connect it and it was horrible each time.18:32
reya276maxolase1squad, ok If I buy a Phone which runs Android and I click on Software update should it not do that?18:33
maxolase1squadIf you buy any phone and choose software updates, it should do just that.18:33
reya276specially if there is a new OS version regardless if its samsung, HTC or whatever. I'm talking about the OS18:33
maxolase1squadHowever, if that process is bad on your phone, it is not necessarily a reflection of Android.  It is just a reflection of the implementation for Android availabe for your phone.18:34
reya276wow jesus are you kidding me, no one said that it was Android OS fault, LISTEN18:34
maxolase1squadYour carrier provides those updates.  So if they suck, it is more likely because of something your carrier is doing wrong.18:34
maxolase1squadOk.18:35
itnet7reya276: the vibrant, captivate, epic, and fascinate are all on 2.118:35
reya276dude never mind 18:35
maxolase1squadSorry, wasn't trying to get heated. *hugs*18:35
itnet7all major carriers with galaxy s are waiting on samsung18:35
itnet7You're not alone18:35
reya276no one is saying that Android is the problem, I'm simply saying that the phone carriers and manufactures should streamline the update process and let google do it18:36
itnet7I am not trying to make you angry either reya276, it's just really not AT&T's responsibility18:36
reya276just like apple does that is all18:36
reya276not very complicated to understand18:36
itnet7Samsung is getting away with crapping on it's customers again18:36
maxolase1squadWell, that's really the point I was trying to make.  It shouldn't be up to Google to do these updates.  It is not the way Android works.18:37
maxolase1squadIt's a completely different paradigm.18:37
itnet7I am glad that T-mobile taught me that lesson18:37
reya276ok if that is the way you want to look at it fine. I get all my Ubuntu updates from Canonical regardless of my hardware18:38
reya276And Google should do the same that is all18:38
maxolase1squadI could make a shoe, load Android on it, and sell it.  It would then be up to me to take care of my customers by providing updates.  That's the Android paradigm.18:38
reya276ok I bought a Dell Laptop with Ubuntu 10.04 I don't get updates from Dell I get them from Ubuntu is that clear enough18:39
reya276LOL18:39
maxolase1squadI understand your point.  In order for that to be a possibility with Android, every phone would have to ship stock Android.18:40
maxolase1squadI don' think Google even ships binary version of Android, but I could be wrong on this point.18:41
maxolase1squadI believe each manufacturer downloads the source, compiles it from source, and then applies their own tweaks.18:41
maxolase1squadEach of these implementations have their own customizations, making support from Google very difficult.18:42
maxolase1squadIt's not that I think having a unified Android OS, that runs on select processors, that receives regular updates from Google would be a bad thing.18:43
maxolase1squadIt's just that the way Android was designed, it is not feasible.18:43
maxolase1squadThis would probably be easier if cell phones where not locked to carriers.18:44
maxolase1squadThe tight integration between the iPhone OS, and the limited hardware that it runs on, is one of the iPhones strong point.  Apple can support it directly, and they only have one single piece of hardware to build it for.18:45
maxolase1squadIs there any way to keep Gwibber from appending 'is' before my microblogs?18:57
maxolase1squads/appending/prepending18:59
reya276maxolase1squad, right that is what I meant that ideally that would be best if Google provided the updates just like Apple and Ubuntu do but they don't. And that is why I said that from a Customer point of view not us Tech Guys but Avg. Joe they would have an issue if they tried to update because like19:06
reya276I said before when I clicked on the software update I got nothing. But I totally understand why it can't be done and I agree. Manufactures screw us with no end in sight but that's nothing new LOL.19:06
zoopsterI think it's the carriers that screw us19:07
zoopsterso I buy unlocked phones now19:07
zoopsterand manage my own updates19:07
reya276well that is what I'm trying to do now Thanks to itnet7 links19:07
reya276I just hope I don't break my phone in the process19:07
zoopsternah...it's pretty hard to brick a android based phone19:08
reya276ah cool19:08
zoopsteri use cyanogen on my nexus...especially now that they have fm working19:08
zoopsteri ordered a nexus s, since I broke my screen on the n1, but I think I can get it fixed so I might send the ns back19:09
zoopsterbtw...dell does have their own repos for their version19:09
zoopsterbut as with the android phone, you can manage the s/w yourself in anyway you wish19:10
zoopstercan't do that with the iphone19:10
maxolase1squadzoopster: Does Google provide an easy update service with the Nexus S.19:15
zoopstermaxolase1squad: not sure...likely the same as with the n1, but they really don't do many bug fixes19:17
maxolase1squadThat's unfortunate.19:17
maxolase1squadIt would be nice if Android offered their Android device that really was done just like Apple does the iPhone.19:18
reya276yeah it would, but rooting the phone seems just as good, plus I like the complete control stuff, granted not for non-techies although I found tons of videos of step by step how-tos19:19
zoopsterbut if you think about it...they do...each update is available for the n119:24
RoAkSoAxitnet7: still around?19:47
itnet7yes19:47
itnet7RoAkSoAx: ^19:47
RoAkSoAxitnet7: pm19:53
itnet7of course19:53
maxolase1squadIs there a way I could do the equivalent of sudo aptitude purge evolution*19:55
mhall119maxolase1squad: in what?20:05
maxolase1squadThe terminal.20:05
maxolase1squadI want to purge all packages that begin with evolution20:06
mhall119that doesn't work in the terminal?20:06
mhall119sudo apt-get remove --purge evolution*20:06
mhall119should work20:06
maxolase1squadCouldn't find any package whose name or description matched "evolution*"20:06
maxolase1squadThat does it.  Thanks mhall119.20:07
mhall119I'm surprised aptitude doesn't accept wilecards20:07
maxolase1squadOoohh, no that wants to remove much more than packages that begin with evolution20:07
maxolase1squadIt's also trying to grab gnome-applets* gnome-panel* gnome-session* indicator-applet* indicator-applet-appmenu* indicator-applet-session* indicator-me* libedataserverui1.2-8* python-evolution*20:07
maxolase1squadAnd others20:08
mhall119hmmm20:08
mhall119maxolase1squad: those may just be meta-packages that depend on the evolution bits20:11
mhall119but I can't guarantee it20:11
mhall119actually,  maybe I can, let me run than on my VM20:14
mhall119maxolase1squad: okay....don't do that :(20:16
maxolase1squad;)20:17
mhall119snapshots, FTW20:17
reya276itnet7, that page does not give you Android 2.2 I was able to root it and install a custom rom for captivate but it still has a 2.1_update1 version21:52
itnet7the 2.2 rom is a leaked rom21:57
itnet7I can see where he got it give me a sec21:57
itnet7http://tinyurl.com/25umruj21:58
itnet7I think this was the one21:58
itnet7He is no longer around at work today, I can e-mail him to make sure. Unless you just want to try it22:00
itnet7reya276: ^22:00
reya276thanks let me try it22:00
itnet7np22:01
itnet7!seen tiemonster22:02
ubuntu-flitnet7: tiemonster was last seen in #ubuntu-us-fl 5 days, 7 hours, 42 minutes, and 49 seconds ago: <tiemonster> *severely22:02
maxolase2squadI have a C program that writes errors to stderr.  How can I peek into stderr?23:54

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