[00:30] <cjlacayo> aloha
[14:08] <reya276> morning everyone
[15:01] <reya276> hey if I wanted to show my mom some pictures of my kids but I don't want to put them on Picasa or Facebook, could I use Ubuntu One to do this. If I share a folder would she be able to access it?
[15:02] <reya276> meaning from the web, like would she be able to go to a web address and see it
[15:04] <mhall119> reya276: if you make it public, she should be able to
[15:05] <reya276> ah ok cool
[15:05] <reya276> thanks
[15:05] <reya276> ok so I share it and make it public
[15:19] <zoopster> reya276: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne/FAQ/CanIPublishFiles
[15:23] <reya276> zoopster, thanks
[15:24] <reya276> dang that is awesome
[15:25] <reya276> hey anyone use Banshee, and has it gotten any better in terms of system resources?
[15:48] <reya276> hey does anyone know how to upgrade the Andorid 2.1 OS to either 2.2 or 2.3?
[15:50] <itnet7> reya276: on a captivate?
[15:51] <reya276> yes
[15:51] <itnet7> I think you should receive the 2.2 over the air
[15:51] <itnet7> I am not sure if it's the same as with my phone
[15:51] <itnet7> but you can go to 
[15:51] <reya276> nope the folks at ATT wont give me the darn update
[15:52] <reya276> you have a ATT Samsung Captive
[15:52] <itnet7> Oh, Okay, hold on a sec, my buddy has a captivate let me see what he did
[15:52] <itnet7> Mine is an evo
[15:52] <itnet7> htc
[15:52] <itnet7> but
[15:52] <itnet7> Did you root yours?
[15:53] <reya276> root? no I have it exactly as when I left the store with a few apps I installed but that is it
[15:53] <mhall119> zoopster: you available for lunch today?
[15:53] <itnet7> I am asking him to bring his phone by
[15:53] <itnet7> not sure if he's in the middle of something will let you know!
[15:54] <itnet7> hey there mhall119 ! 
[15:54] <mhall119> hey itnet7 
[15:55] <reya276> ok
[15:55] <reya276> my task manager sucks on this phone it wont kill the apps I tell it to
[15:56] <itnet7> reya276: it seems as though you'll only receive 2.1 update 1
[15:56] <itnet7> If you want 2.2 you'll have to root it and add a custom Rom
[15:58] <itnet7> One of my other friends with a captivate has done it, if you want I can ask him for the links he used 
[15:58] <reya276> ok how can I do that
[15:58] <reya276> yes please
[15:58] <reya276> hey in the mean time do you know of a good taks manager app I can use because the one that comes with the phone sucks
[16:00] <itnet7> What is the one that comes with phone called?
[16:02] <itnet7> Wow, there are so many of them in the market, I can't even recognize the one I used to use all the time
[16:04] <itnet7> I believe the one I've used is called, "Advanced Task Killer"
[16:07] <itnet7> reya276: http://theunlockr.com/2010/08/02/how-to-load-a-custom-rom-on-the-samsung-captivate-vibrant/
[16:07] <itnet7> This seems to have links for everything
[16:07] <reya276> itnet7, thanks
[16:08] <itnet7> I will find out later which Rom he used if I can get a hold of him, He's not here today at work
[16:08] <itnet7> this place is becoming like a ghost town
[16:08] <itnet7> ^ meaning my workplace
[16:09] <mhall119> it's that time of year
[16:09] <reya276> itnet7, ah you need a windows PC
[16:09] <itnet7> Yeah, that's the bad part about samsung phones
[16:09] <itnet7> and it's only to unroot process
[16:10] <itnet7> once you get passed that, you can do everything else in Linux
[16:10] <reya276> darn it, but the thing works so well with ShotWell and Rhythmbox
[16:10] <reya276> oh will that mess up my ability to use those two apps
[16:10] <itnet7> I am trying to find an alternate way
[16:10] <itnet7> for ya
[16:16] <reya276> itnet, oh no worries I have a VM on this PC, hey will I still be able to use my phone as a regular ATT phone?
[16:16] <reya276> meaning ATT wont know anything right
[16:16] <reya276> Also was the performance better for you
[16:21] <RoAkSoAx> itnet7: dude how's it going
[16:23] <RoAkSoAx> /win/win 3
[16:37] <itnet7> RoAkSoAx: not bad and you? Leaving the building now for lunch... bbiab! :-)
[16:44] <RoAkSoAx> itnet7: ah lunch... u just reminded me im hungry lol!!!
[17:14] <reya276> wow, now I understand why is it that from a customers point of view people prefer to use an iphone rather than get something from these individual manufactures tied with a carrier such as ATT, the tech support and software update procedure is horrible. Why could they not just let google take care of all the OS updates.
[17:15] <reya276> jesus, I mean is a great phone but the update OS procedure is horrible
[17:41] <zoopster> heh...sorry mhall119 had to run some errands today
[17:43] <zoopster> reya276: you don't think the iphone update is horrendous? do they have OTA yet?
[17:44] <maxolase1squad> reya276: Comapring Android and iPhone doesn't always make sense.
[17:44] <maxolase1squad> Android is an OS.  An iPhone is a packaged device that includes a specific piece of software running on a specific piece of hardware, and for now, with a specific carrier.
[17:45] <maxolase1squad> I welcome the range of available devices that run Android.  It is to be expected that some implementations of Android are better than others.
[18:07] <zoopster> good point maxolase1squad - interesting post recently by Tim Bray about that subject on the android dev blog
[18:09] <mhall119> zoopster: no worries
[18:19] <klutz> Anyone know about evercookies?
[18:21] <mhall119> I've heard of it
[18:21] <reya276> zoopster, no I think you guys don't understand what I mean. I'm talking about from a users point of view for example right now I want to update my phone and I can't because ATT has to do it instead of Google taking care of it like apple does regardless about the damn thing being FOSS or not that is not what I'm talking about.
[18:21] <mhall119> klutz: see http://www.securityweek.com/nevercookie-eats-evercookie-new-firefox-plugin
[18:22] <mhall119> reya276: the difference is that Apple makes and sells the iPhone
[18:22] <mhall119> Google doesn't make or sell most Android phones
[18:22] <mhall119> Nexus is the only exception
[18:23] <zoopster> and the iphone update mechanism STILL is hateful at best
[18:23] <mhall119> in fact, most Android phones come with a version of Android customized by the OEM or carrier, which isn't something Google could update
[18:24] <reya276> LIke right now my brother has an iphone 3GS like I did, he went in to iTunes synced the phone then clicked update to new iOS 4.2 and it did everything for him, on this device I have to wait until ATT gets of their butts when Google should be the one making the updates for the OS regarless of the carrier or manufactures
[18:25] <itnet7> reya276: it's actually samsung
[18:25] <itnet7> btw
[18:25] <klutz> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/search/?q=evercookie&cat=all&x=0&y=0
[18:25] <itnet7> not at&t
[18:25] <reya276> ah no when I click on Software Updates it connects to ATT not Samsung
[18:25] <itnet7> and that is why I chose an evo over the epic
[18:25] <reya276> and it actually tells me I have to wait 24hrs to connect again, LOL
[18:26] <itnet7> reya276: You're hitting AT&T servers to try and get samsung updates
[18:26] <reya276> I'm not knocking Android or anything like that because I love the phone and OS, is just the darn OS update procedure which is horrible
[18:27] <itnet7> samsung uses proprietary hardware and releases the kernels and their own rolled android
[18:27] <reya276> well is the phone not me
[18:27] <itnet7> version
[18:27] <itnet7> You're missing the point
[18:27] <itnet7> When I had a behold2 it was the same problem
[18:27] <itnet7> Though I was on T-mobile
[18:28] <itnet7> samsung was repsonsible to bring the phone to Anroid 2.1
[18:28] <itnet7> but they decided never to do that
[18:28] <itnet7> and they didn't release any new kernel updates so the community couldn't either
[18:28] <itnet7> That's why I left T-mobile
[18:29] <itnet7> it cost me $400.00 in Early Termination Fees
[18:29] <maxolase1squad> reya276: It is not the Android OS update that is horrible, it is the Android OS Update for your phone that is horrible.
[18:30] <maxolase1squad> The Android update process my phone is very simple.
[18:30] <maxolase1squad> Which is why you can't compare the iPhone's update process to the Android's update process. ... there is no Android update process.
[18:31] <reya276> I never said that Android OS was horrible, I'm talking about the manufactures update procedures
[18:31] <reya276> I love the OS better than the iphone 10 x fold
[18:32] <maxolase1squad> Right, you said the update process is bad.  But there is no Android OS update process to compare to the iPhone update process.
[18:32] <reya276> I just need to update it, but for some reason I can't get Vbox to pickup the device on WIndows XP
[18:32] <maxolase1squad> Oh man, I've helped a few people get the Windows drivers for their Android phones, so they could connect it and it was horrible each time.
[18:33] <reya276> maxolase1squad, ok If I buy a Phone which runs Android and I click on Software update should it not do that?
[18:33] <maxolase1squad> If you buy any phone and choose software updates, it should do just that.
[18:33] <reya276> specially if there is a new OS version regardless if its samsung, HTC or whatever. I'm talking about the OS
[18:34] <maxolase1squad> However, if that process is bad on your phone, it is not necessarily a reflection of Android.  It is just a reflection of the implementation for Android availabe for your phone.
[18:34] <reya276> wow jesus are you kidding me, no one said that it was Android OS fault, LISTEN
[18:34] <maxolase1squad> Your carrier provides those updates.  So if they suck, it is more likely because of something your carrier is doing wrong.
[18:35] <maxolase1squad> Ok.
[18:35] <itnet7> reya276: the vibrant, captivate, epic, and fascinate are all on 2.1
[18:35] <reya276> dude never mind 
[18:35] <maxolase1squad> Sorry, wasn't trying to get heated. *hugs*
[18:35] <itnet7> all major carriers with galaxy s are waiting on samsung
[18:35] <itnet7> You're not alone
[18:36] <reya276> no one is saying that Android is the problem, I'm simply saying that the phone carriers and manufactures should streamline the update process and let google do it
[18:36] <itnet7> I am not trying to make you angry either reya276, it's just really not AT&T's responsibility
[18:36] <reya276> just like apple does that is all
[18:36] <reya276> not very complicated to understand
[18:36] <itnet7> Samsung is getting away with crapping on it's customers again
[18:37] <maxolase1squad> Well, that's really the point I was trying to make.  It shouldn't be up to Google to do these updates.  It is not the way Android works.
[18:37] <maxolase1squad> It's a completely different paradigm.
[18:37] <itnet7> I am glad that T-mobile taught me that lesson
[18:38] <reya276> ok if that is the way you want to look at it fine. I get all my Ubuntu updates from Canonical regardless of my hardware
[18:38] <reya276> And Google should do the same that is all
[18:38] <maxolase1squad> I could make a shoe, load Android on it, and sell it.  It would then be up to me to take care of my customers by providing updates.  That's the Android paradigm.
[18:39] <reya276> ok I bought a Dell Laptop with Ubuntu 10.04 I don't get updates from Dell I get them from Ubuntu is that clear enough
[18:39] <reya276> LOL
[18:40] <maxolase1squad> I understand your point.  In order for that to be a possibility with Android, every phone would have to ship stock Android.
[18:41] <maxolase1squad> I don' think Google even ships binary version of Android, but I could be wrong on this point.
[18:41] <maxolase1squad> I believe each manufacturer downloads the source, compiles it from source, and then applies their own tweaks.
[18:42] <maxolase1squad> Each of these implementations have their own customizations, making support from Google very difficult.
[18:43] <maxolase1squad> It's not that I think having a unified Android OS, that runs on select processors, that receives regular updates from Google would be a bad thing.
[18:43] <maxolase1squad> It's just that the way Android was designed, it is not feasible.
[18:44] <maxolase1squad> This would probably be easier if cell phones where not locked to carriers.
[18:45] <maxolase1squad> The tight integration between the iPhone OS, and the limited hardware that it runs on, is one of the iPhones strong point.  Apple can support it directly, and they only have one single piece of hardware to build it for.
[18:57] <maxolase1squad> Is there any way to keep Gwibber from appending 'is' before my microblogs?
[18:59] <maxolase1squad> s/appending/prepending
[19:06] <reya276> maxolase1squad, right that is what I meant that ideally that would be best if Google provided the updates just like Apple and Ubuntu do but they don't. And that is why I said that from a Customer point of view not us Tech Guys but Avg. Joe they would have an issue if they tried to update because like
[19:06] <reya276> I said before when I clicked on the software update I got nothing. But I totally understand why it can't be done and I agree. Manufactures screw us with no end in sight but that's nothing new LOL.
[19:07] <zoopster> I think it's the carriers that screw us
[19:07] <zoopster> so I buy unlocked phones now
[19:07] <zoopster> and manage my own updates
[19:07] <reya276> well that is what I'm trying to do now Thanks to itnet7 links
[19:07] <reya276> I just hope I don't break my phone in the process
[19:08] <zoopster> nah...it's pretty hard to brick a android based phone
[19:08] <reya276> ah cool
[19:08] <zoopster> i use cyanogen on my nexus...especially now that they have fm working
[19:09] <zoopster> i ordered a nexus s, since I broke my screen on the n1, but I think I can get it fixed so I might send the ns back
[19:09] <zoopster> btw...dell does have their own repos for their version
[19:10] <zoopster> but as with the android phone, you can manage the s/w yourself in anyway you wish
[19:10] <zoopster> can't do that with the iphone
[19:15] <maxolase1squad> zoopster: Does Google provide an easy update service with the Nexus S.
[19:17] <zoopster> maxolase1squad: not sure...likely the same as with the n1, but they really don't do many bug fixes
[19:17] <maxolase1squad> That's unfortunate.
[19:18] <maxolase1squad> It would be nice if Android offered their Android device that really was done just like Apple does the iPhone.
[19:19] <reya276> yeah it would, but rooting the phone seems just as good, plus I like the complete control stuff, granted not for non-techies although I found tons of videos of step by step how-tos
[19:24] <zoopster> but if you think about it...they do...each update is available for the n1
[19:47] <RoAkSoAx> itnet7: still around?
[19:47] <itnet7> yes
[19:47] <itnet7> RoAkSoAx: ^
[19:53] <RoAkSoAx> itnet7: pm
[19:53] <itnet7> of course
[19:55] <maxolase1squad> Is there a way I could do the equivalent of sudo aptitude purge evolution*
[20:05] <mhall119> maxolase1squad: in what?
[20:05] <maxolase1squad> The terminal.
[20:06] <maxolase1squad> I want to purge all packages that begin with evolution
[20:06] <mhall119> that doesn't work in the terminal?
[20:06] <mhall119> sudo apt-get remove --purge evolution*
[20:06] <mhall119> should work
[20:06] <maxolase1squad> Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "evolution*"
[20:07] <maxolase1squad> That does it.  Thanks mhall119.
[20:07] <mhall119> I'm surprised aptitude doesn't accept wilecards
[20:07] <maxolase1squad> Ooohh, no that wants to remove much more than packages that begin with evolution
[20:07] <maxolase1squad> It's also trying to grab gnome-applets* gnome-panel* gnome-session* indicator-applet* indicator-applet-appmenu* indicator-applet-session* indicator-me* libedataserverui1.2-8* python-evolution*
[20:08] <maxolase1squad> And others
[20:08] <mhall119> hmmm
[20:11] <mhall119> maxolase1squad: those may just be meta-packages that depend on the evolution bits
[20:11] <mhall119> but I can't guarantee it
[20:14] <mhall119> actually,  maybe I can, let me run than on my VM
[20:16] <mhall119> maxolase1squad: okay....don't do that :(
[20:17] <maxolase1squad> ;)
[20:17] <mhall119> snapshots, FTW
[21:52] <reya276> itnet7, that page does not give you Android 2.2 I was able to root it and install a custom rom for captivate but it still has a 2.1_update1 version
[21:57] <itnet7> the 2.2 rom is a leaked rom
[21:57] <itnet7> I can see where he got it give me a sec
[21:58] <itnet7> http://tinyurl.com/25umruj
[21:58] <itnet7> I think this was the one
[22:00] <itnet7> He is no longer around at work today, I can e-mail him to make sure. Unless you just want to try it
[22:00] <itnet7> reya276: ^
[22:00] <reya276> thanks let me try it
[22:01] <itnet7> np
[22:02] <itnet7> !seen tiemonster
[22:02] <ubuntu-fl> itnet7: tiemonster was last seen in #ubuntu-us-fl 5 days, 7 hours, 42 minutes, and 49 seconds ago: <tiemonster> *severely
[23:54] <maxolase2squad> I have a C program that writes errors to stderr.  How can I peek into stderr?