[00:00] how do i go about finding out what friver i need, and how do i get it? [00:00] What version of Xubuntu? [00:00] 10.10 [00:00] Applications -> System -> Additional Drivers [00:01] it said: no proprietary drivers found. [00:01] much harder [00:01] what video card do you have? You can use lspci in a terminal to find out [00:02] okay, let me try that [00:03] alrght gave me a whole list, what do i need to look at? [00:03] find video in it [00:03] or graphics [00:03] 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82852/855GM Integrated Graphics Device (rev 01) [00:05] will this work for me? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=5294706 [00:07] Isn't that to set up a second instance of compiz. You can't get the first instance to start [00:08] i have Compiz up entirely, what it would seem is that "vesa" is the fallback driver for intel, and i need the right driver, but i dont know how to do that [00:08] Looks to me like I should say to try in #ubuntu-x , since I don't know why the hardware driver is not working for you [00:09] until i have the right driver, only basic rendering is possible, which means no pretty compiz [00:09] Your hardware driver is built in to the kernel [00:10] hmm [00:10] !855gm [00:10] !intel [00:10] Ubuntu 9.04 has a known regression for some Intel graphics support. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troubleshooting/IntelPerformance and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1130582 for more information. [00:11] but it doesn't tell us about 10.10 [00:11] a read of the X log should give a clue especially whether dri is enabled [00:12] You have to tell saintly how to do that, gr8m8 [00:13] ok [00:13] lol noobish :P [00:13] saintly: in a terminal run this command grep -i dri /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep -iv driver [00:14] and you wnat the outcome? [00:14] if it is more than a line or two use pastebin [00:14] it should tell if dri is enabled on a line that starts with AIGLX [00:14] !paste [00:14] For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://tinyurl.com/imagebin | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. [00:16] alright says: AIGLX: Screen 0 is not DRI2 capable... and also: AIGLX: Screen 0 is not DRI capable [00:16] that means you can't do compositing then afaik [00:16] which means im just not able to do compiz? [00:17] yep [00:17] I'll have a quick google about your card [00:17] what ifi find a driver for my graphics card, will that fix anything? [00:18] I have the same graphics chip, but I dont have drivers installed for it [00:18] default works for me, but it broke after the latest kernel update [00:18] I think the only one available is the driver in the kernel for intel cards [00:19] and thats the vesa one yeah? [00:19] yeah [00:20] hmm well im gonna look around online, i already found one for the 82852 family [00:21] saintly: have you run the terminal app Compiz-check ? [00:21] saintly: it has to be for the 855gm though. The family has many cards included [00:21] yes i have, gr8m8, thats what told me vesa driver wouldnt support compiz [00:21] hmm [00:22] saintly: using the vesa driver will never get you compositing - can you paste your X log? [00:23] hold on found a soved fix i beleive... [00:23] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1464239 [00:24] will that work? [00:25] might be. Read all of that information. Sometimes, it makes things worse, but if you are willing to take a chance than it is worth tryign [00:25] You might have to reinstall xubuntu when it breaks, though [00:26] lol i have 2 usbs and a cd of xubunt now :D [00:29] * charlie-tca shrugs... he is always willing to do another installation if needed [00:29] that forum post is about a different issue with an earlier kernel [00:29] alright well i found a set of instructions, but i cant wrpp my mind around it [00:30] I'd check the X log for why it uses the vesa driver first myself [00:30] !ppa [00:30] A Personal Package Archive (PPA) can provide alternate software not normally available in the offical Ubuntu repositories - Looking for a PPA? See https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas - WARNING: PPAs are unsupported third-party packages, and should be used at your own risk. [00:31] should tell how to set up a ppa [00:32] what about this set of instructions? its the first answer there, i cant understand about hlaf of it [00:32] http://superuser.com/questions/192121/how-to-install-intel-82852-855gm-driver-on-ubuntu-10-10-maverick-meerkat [00:35] the comment marked 1 seems to be the easiest - but it depends on what the X log says about why it is using the vesa driver [00:36] there has to be a reason for that [00:36] lol i have no idea [00:36] is there any way to find out? [00:36] I asked earlier if you could paste your X log [00:37] where do i get that from? the system check for compiz? [00:37] the X log is the file /var/log/Xorg.0.log [00:38] how do i pull that out and get it here? lol [00:39] open it and copy it to pastebin [00:39] !paste [00:39] For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://tinyurl.com/imagebin | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. [00:40] in mousepads menu is an option for selecting all text in an open file - then right click the selected text and select copy [00:40] lol im still trying to find the file [00:42] /var is a toplevel directory like /boot and /media [00:43] Open places; click system [00:43] find var [00:44] i have xorg log and xorg log old [00:44] i have xorg log and xorg log old [00:47] bbiab [00:47] Hello? [00:47] !hi | guero [00:47] guero: Hi!, Welcome to #xubuntu! Feel free to ask questions and help people out. The channel guidelines are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines. Enjoy your stay! [00:48] Hey! :) [00:48] I'm trying to set up Xubuntu on my laptop. [00:48] I just updated all of the drivers and installed all of the necessary updates. [00:48] Apparently, Xubuntu says that "wireless is disabled." [00:48] I'm using a cable to connect to the Internet. [00:49] Any ideas...? [00:49] dang [00:49] That doesn't sound too good! lol! [00:50] Am I out of luck on this one? [00:50] could try installing Windows Drivers, not exactly sure how, but I managed to make a Netgear USB WiFi work on my 10.04 system that way :) [00:51] hiya eberybody! [00:51] see if the driver is waiting to be installed in additional drivers [00:52] hi lk [00:52] @MorphixNW Where could I find the Windows drivers? Would I have to try Wine and see what happens? [00:52] how's it going? [00:52] !wireless [00:52] Wireless documentation, including how-to guides and troubleshooting information, can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs [00:52] guero: try Applications > Additional Drivers first :) [00:52] LK: not so bad :) [00:52] I'm thinking of finally Taking The Plunge [00:53] go for it [00:53] well, my big issue is, i don't want to get rid of all of my settings [00:53] remove the hard drive and install a different one :) [00:54] I'd have to buy a new hard drive :p [00:54] VM it for a while and the switch fully [00:55] that's what I've been doing, actually [00:55] go for it, format and install Xubuntu :) [00:56] which brings me back to losing my settings :p [00:56] what is it that is important about the settings? [00:56] or do you mean files? [00:56] logs, histories, favorites, that sort of stuff [00:56] which I suppose are, technically, files [00:56] USB stick? [00:56] MorphixNW: I looked up the additional drivers, and it said "no propriety drivers are in use on this system." [00:57] hm [00:57] MorphixNW: It also said that I had the Broadcom B43 wireless driver installed and activated. [00:57] that might work [00:57] hmmmm [00:57] try installing wicd then :) [00:57] I've tried rebooting the machine, but it doesn't seem to help. [00:57] guero "sudo apt-get install wicd" [00:57] guero: "sudo apt-get install wicd" [00:58] its a different network manager [01:00] MorphixNW: Okay, I just ran the sudo you just gave me. [01:00] !cluster [01:00] MorphixNW: And it said, * Starting Network connection manager wicd [fail] [01:01] try to start it from Applications > Network [01:01] MorphixNW: Okay, I got it to start from Applications > Network [01:02] It says that I'm currently connected via wired-default [01:02] any wireless options? [01:02] No wireless networks found [01:02] Do I need to unplug the internet cable from the laptop and try the router? [01:03] Trying to connect to the Internet wirelessly, I mean [01:03] should be able to see it even with wired plugged in [01:04] The box is checked that says, "Use as default profile (overwrites any previous default.)" [01:04] Do I just need to try to add my network manually? [01:04] give it a shot :) [01:05] I mean, I don't know my IP Address/Netmask [01:05] Can't you tell I'm a Linux newbie? [01:05] Haha! [01:07] MorphixNW: Or am I just out of luck on this one? [01:08] assign that to DCHP or automatic [01:08] but wifi isnt always easy on linux :( [01:09] DCHP is already set to "automatic" [01:10] Yeah, WiFi on Linux is becoming pretty painful! lol! [01:10] so you should just need to setup the SSID [01:10] network name (wireless) [01:10] is Xcfe based on Qt? [01:11] nope gtk [01:11] ok [01:11] alright, im back and ready to try this one more time... [01:12] did you find the log? [01:12] Im using http://www.downloadatoz.com/driver/articles/guide-install-intel-855gm-driver-to-ubuntu-10-10.html to try and install a 855gm, but its asking for /etc/x11/xorg.conf which i do not have. [01:12] MorphixNW: Umm...how to I setup the SSID? [01:12] XD [01:13] and yes i fould the file, but it wouldnt let me past somethingthat bifg gr8m8 [01:13] the SSID is the name of your wireless network, setup on the router [01:13] you shoudl just be able to enter the details in the correct boxes, but I dont have wicd installed so hard to say precisely [01:13] i dont know why i dont have a xorg.conf file but i should. [01:14] saintly: you cam make a xorg.conf with the command Xorg -configure or easier find one on the net for your card [01:14] saintly: not for a while has xorg.conf been used - the dir xorg.conf.d is used now [01:14] gr8m8: find one what? LOL and yes i just ran the config file in term [01:15] but a xorg.conf will still work [01:15] I am sleepy now, tomorrow I will hopefully have my cluster-farm setup :) [01:15] MorphixNW: I'm sorry, but I'm still really lost on this one! [01:15] gr8m8: where can i find the new config file, is it still under X11? [01:15] saintly: it will be in your home dir [01:16] gr8m8: just home? wow thats nuch easier :D [01:16] saintly: it won't work from there you need to copy it to /etc/X11 [01:16] edit it first [01:16] so create a xorg.conf.d, and copy it to X11? [01:17] saintly: you will already have that dir in /etc/X11 [01:17] hmm [01:17] saintly: if you are going to use a xorg.conf file it goes in /etc/X11 [01:18] gr8m8 i have nothing that even says xorg on it under X11 [01:19] saintly: I dunno what has happened to your system then [01:19] it is always there [01:19] yeah, i have a genetic mutation.. [01:19] :D [01:19] this sux [01:20] maybew thats why im using vesa drivers then, because the file that would specify otherwise simply does not exist. [01:20] saintly: what does cat /etc/issue return? [01:21] gr8m8: in term? [01:21] yep [01:21] Ubuntu 10.10 \n \l [01:22] k [01:22] what does that tell you? lol [01:22] saintly: do your editing to the xorg.conf file you made and copy it to /etc/X11 then [01:23] just what os you run [01:23] alright [01:23] now what shold i be putting IN the file lol [01:23] and is it just a wordpad? [01:24] it is called mousepad in xubuntu [01:24] lol oopsy [01:24] what goes inside there? [01:26] you said you were following a website what does that ask you to do? [01:26] to edit my file, but the file its asking me to edit, doesnt exist. [01:26] :D [01:27] you just made it you said and it was in your home dir... [01:27] i said where do i put it once i make it [01:28] saintly: do your editing to the xorg.conf file you made and copy it to /etc/X11 then [01:28] like I said earlier [01:28] ffs [01:28] back XD [01:29] I had a thought [01:29] or not, cuz i found Xorg conf.d under usr/share/X11 YESSSSSS [01:29] wooooo [01:30] they appriently moved it from etc [01:30] is that where yours is? [01:30] if I were to delete as much as I could from Windows, I could use the spare space for a new partition, right? [01:31] i dont see why not, as long as you have the space for files in your linux [01:31] can Xubuntu read/write/execute from Windows? [01:32] like, while running windows? [01:32] no, while running Xubuntu [01:32] execute I'm not so worried about, really [01:32] though, if I installed WINE... [01:33] wine or virtualbox, both are killer programs for that kind of thing. [01:33] virtualbox can read/execute from other partitions? [01:35] i beleive so. [01:35] weird [01:35] gr8m8: where under xorg.conf.d do i edit for my driver intel [01:36] I'd think a guest machine wouldn't even see any extra partitions from the host machine... [01:36] its only doing configs for my mouse and track pad so it would seem. [01:37] i might not have a clue what im talkin about LK lol. [01:37] lol [01:37] ive used VB though, and have run several distros from windows in linux, and linux in windows. [01:38] i perfer VB to WINE [01:38] what I'm thinking is, if my program settings are saved in various files, then I can install Xubuntu in a new partition, then copy all the settings files from Windows to Xubuntu [01:39] adjusting the partition sizes as Windows slowly gets assimilated [01:40] would that work? [01:41] i dont know about that, theres always that barrier between linux and windows, i dont know if theyll convert without a program specifically for finding and converting them. [01:41] saintly: if xorg.conf is not under /etc/X11/xorg.conf, create it there. Otherewise it won't actually work [01:41] does any *buntu have such a program? [01:42] for that matter, does any distro? [01:42] so i dont need it under xorg.conf.d? [01:42] saintly: xorg.conf.d is wrong [01:43] aha okay, so all i have to do now is write my own Xorg.conf file :D yay fun... [01:43] ill do that tomorrow. [01:43] im out for now guys, see you later [01:43] yes. [01:43] If it exists it will be used, [01:43] It just is not created by default anymore [01:44] other wise, they revert to vesa default which are lacking in reall graphics power. [01:44] understood. :D [01:44] well im outta here [01:49] Hey, I've got another question for you all. [01:49] I'm trying to find the drivers for a particular router. [01:49] And I'm not having a whole lot of luck. [01:51] Do you all know where I could find the drivers for a Linksys E2000 Wireless-N router? [01:52] you sure you don't need the drivers for the wireless card? [01:53] I don't know if routers need drivers... [01:55] !linksys [01:57] Yeah, I need the drivers for the wireless card [01:57] My bad! [01:57] XD [01:57] what card do you have? [01:58] Hold on, I'm trying to find the right code to enter into terminal to find out [02:00] I have a Broadcom Corporation BCM4318 802.11g Wireless Lan card [02:00] I've already installed the Broadcom Drivers Xubuntu recommended for me. [02:00] And I've already activated them [02:01] I've also tried ndiswrapper [02:01] And just sticking the CD that came with my router into the drive [02:01] Nothing seems to work [02:01] :( [02:01] did you restart after activating them? [02:03] Yes, I restarted my computer [02:03] The only way I can stay online is through my ethernet cable [02:07] Do you guys have any ideas??? [02:11] definitely an issue with the wireless card [02:11] Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. [02:12] I installed Xubuntu 10.04 on a Dell Latitude D610 laptop [02:12] It's really old...XD [02:12] Okay, I've got another question for you guys... [02:13] * LK put FreeDOS on his oldest laptop [02:13] The last time I used Ubuntu, I was dual-booting with Windows via WUBI [02:13] Ubuntu never had any problems connecting to Wi-Fi via Wubi [02:13] If I were to use Ubuntu instead of Xubuntu, would I still have problems with my wireless card? [02:14] try it [02:14] Or is this a Xubuntu-only issue? [02:14] I'd try that [02:14] Does the fact that I used Wubi have anything to do with Ubuntu and my Wi-Fi signal? [02:15] I mean, I just need a machine that can quickly access the Internet [02:15] I'm not tied down to one particular distro. [02:16] I'd test it out live before the install, but what do you have to lose by trying? [02:19] Hmm...very true LK [02:19] I'll have to look into it. [02:19] I made a bootable Xubuntu USB...I can always reformat it with Ubuntu [02:20] I'm going to try it out... [02:20] Thanks for the tips you guys! :) [02:46] <_Techie_> is it at all feasable to run xubuntu in text mode inside a headless VM, and use cygwin to have an X server on widows with xfce4-panel running via ssh with X forwarding? [02:46] wait, what? [02:47] <_Techie_> okay [02:47] <_Techie_> ill reword it in sections [02:47] <_Techie_> have xubuntu or any other ubuntu derivative running in a headless VM [02:47] <_Techie_> using the text parameter on boot to make sure no GUI loads [02:47] <_Techie_> ... [02:48] <_Techie_> and use a X server with cygwin to ssh into that headless VM and start xfce4-panel ? [02:48] I don't see why it wouldn't be, but I don't know how you'd do it [02:50] <_Techie_> i know how to do it, i was wondering whether it sounded like a feasible idea, or if i was going guano crazy [02:51] not mutually exclusive, mind you [04:01] hello. I've installed the latest stable build of Xubunut on my desktop. I have an MAudio 2496 PCI audio card installed. Xubuntu can see the card -- it lists it as a device in the mixer panel -- but I am not able to get any sound out of it. I've searched for some how to's on trouble shooting this, but don't see anything that seems to relate. Can someone suggest a trouble shooting method, or point me to some doc' [04:01] s that might help? Thanks [04:03] !sound [04:03] If you're having problems with sound, click the Volume applet, then Sound Preferences, and check your Volume, Hardware, Input, and Output settings. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/DmixPlugin - For playing audio files, see !players and !mp3. [04:17] thanks, I'll check those references [05:37] ow does one install openoffice? [05:38] gi into synaptic pkg mgr [05:38] go* [05:38] or just the software installer [05:38] at the cli please [05:40] sudo apt-get install openoffice.org [07:09] good evening Lords of the Code. [08:20] with 10.10 i don't seem to be able to move panel widgets like before... i right click the widget, click "Move" but i cant place them where i used to [08:20] e.g., i cant move the "Applications" button to the bottom panel, or the task list etc [08:21] basically, i only have a bottom panel, kinda like the windows taskbar [08:21] also, i want to set up a few more launchers and place them next to where the firefox launcher is... but they dont seem to be movable to that side [08:28] looks like a bug === nicofs_sleeping is now known as nicofs [10:44] hi [10:49] morning [11:14] where are you all from [11:14] The Netherlands here [11:15] ok, me spain, canary islands [11:15] morning everyone [11:16] Good afternoon :) [11:16] whats the weather like in holland?xd [11:16] Snowy :) [11:16] kinda off topic guys ;) [11:16] Sorry :) [11:16] /join #xubuntu-offtopic [11:16] should join #xubuntu-offtopic :) [11:17] here today is sunny [11:17] anyone ever tried clustering ubuntu machines? [11:17] me [11:17] I would like to harness the power of network connected machines to use as one powerpc :) [11:17] in virtual box? [11:17] no [11:17] physical machines [11:17] no [11:18] i am using xubuntu right now becouse if i try ubuntu my laptops get hot and switch off, dont know why [11:18] strange [11:18] could be an ACPI issue on that machine [11:18] I am on xubuntu 10.10 on this machine, my media-centre is 10.04 [11:19] take desktop effects off [11:19] but I have a stack of other older machines which alone arent fast enough for much, but a cluster would harness the smaller power and combined it as one :) [11:19] the thing is, sometimes the machine goes off when i am installing too [11:20] sounds like a hardware issue tbh [11:22] my laptop is an aspire one 5315,icp 530, 1,73 gh [11:22] cannot install all linux systems [11:22] linux mint 7 works perfect, but if i install an update it gets hot again, even with puppy linux, its strange [11:24] can anyone point me to a guide for setting up a cluster (farm) [11:24] it won't be simple and propably won't work like that well [11:24] googling doesnt seem to be working, probably bad terms [11:24] hmmmmm [11:25] any other suggestions for use for these old machines? [11:25] file server, printer server, firewalls, etc are the obvious ones [11:25] anything more funky geeky :) [11:26] you propably end up throving them away [11:26] never! lol [11:26] they been in my storage (Attic) workshop for years already [11:26] these relics are awesome if only for show [11:27] clustering them seems like the best use, but also could be the hardest [11:28] surely I cant be the only one who doesnt throw away anything that is working :) [11:28] but uses seem to be harder to find [11:34] bandwidth monitoring? [11:35] file server/media server/torrenting/pvr etc [11:35] lots of little things you can do with an old comp [11:36] I would like a machine to monitor network traffic, bandwidths, etc, could be text based terminal :) [11:36] I have a media-centre and download mule :) [11:41] I am defo going to dedicate one of these machine to distribution work [11:41] let them use it for better use [11:44] I would just like to use these machines, I have lots and spare monitors, and I have bucket loads of time :) [11:46] have a look into distibuted computing then [11:47] and blender the graphics app [11:47] :) [11:47] !requirements [11:47] Hardware requirements to install, boot and comfortably use Xubuntu are listed at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingXubuntu [11:49] that link doesnt show me the minimium requirements [11:49] doesnt show requirements at all in fact [11:51] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SystemRequirements does [11:51] 512MB/P3 to run smoothly, 256MB/X to try [11:52] hmmmm [11:53] can I still get hold of eeeXubuntu? [11:55] if you have real low-end, debian with openbox or no graphics at all [11:56] !openbox [11:56] openbox is a lightweight window manager. For instructions and more information see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Openbox [11:57] I have a machine with an AMD K6 500 chip, maybe could give it 256mb or maybe even 512mb at most [11:59] I ran ubuntu dapper server with fluxbox on one of those [12:01] how was it? [12:01] slow but worked ok enough [12:02] dapper was a much lighter os then the newer ones are tho [12:02] hmm [12:12] seems that programmers no longer work hard with the resources they have, older stuff was designed to make far better use of what was available..... this is because we didnt have buckets of resources like we have today [12:18] yep if they have more resources it seems they want to use 'em all [12:54] just installed xubuntu in 2 old gx110's [13:01] all I can say is "now they work" but what a pain (if you aren't used to the wait) [13:07] dvanstone: specs? [13:08] hi [13:08] ShootEmUp: hey [13:10] Has anyone else noticed that XFCE panel applets are easier to find than GNOME applets? [13:11] I am not so good with gnome, as I only recently fully converted so I am used to usng fce4 [13:11] which I find very good and easy to use/customise [13:12] Well I have Older and newer computers, and if you can run GNOME comfortably, than use GNOME. If not use XFCE [13:13] i've always liked xfce more in about everything [13:13]