[00:08] ooh party day! [00:08] what shall we do for a party? [00:08] how about the package KDE SC 4.6 RC 1 game? [00:08] first one to work out how to get kdenetwork to compile wins [00:10] what's broken this time? [00:12] yofel: /home/ubuntu/kdenetwork/kdenetwork-4.5.90/kget/transfer-plugins/bittorrent/bttransferhandler.h:56:5: warning: "LIBKTORRENT_VERSION" is not defined [00:12] looks like whatever the fix for the libktorrent issue was doesn't want to work [00:13] for party, I plan to cuddle with apachelogger, but only if no one ever hears of this [00:15] you might make people jelous [00:51] Riddell: https://code.launchpad.net/~yofel/kdebindings/4.6.90_2/+merge/44541 [00:53] lovely yofel, merging and uploading to PPA [00:54] :) [01:23] hello JontheEchidna [01:24] JontheEchidna: do you know why moun does not build for lucid? <-- http://launchpadlibrarian.net/61099623/buildlog_ubuntu-lucid-i386.muon_1.0.90-0ubuntu0~lucid1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz [01:27] EagleScreen: it requires KDE 4.5 [01:27] oh [01:27] I supused it owuld be something like it [01:28] yeah, the class the CategoryDrawer is based off of is new in 4.5 [01:28] JontheEchidna: then, has it any missing build-dependency [01:29] kde 4.5. lucid has 4.4 [01:29] instead of report a build-dependency issue, it report syntax errors in the code [01:29] I don't think libqapt 1.0.90 will build in lucid anyways due to lucid's APT being too old, and I know that muon 1.0.90 requires libqapt 1.0.90 [01:31] I mean something like adding build-dep on kdelibs5-dev (>=4.5.0), isn't it? [01:31] 4:4.5.0, but yeah [01:31] shouldn't you add the version to it? [01:33] yeah, it should be added to the packaging [01:34] It can be built for lucid if Kubuntu-ppa/backports are used and apt 0.8.10 is backported in some PPA (I am doing it now) [01:34] yeah, as long as it has kde 4.5 and apt 0.8 it should build [01:35] good [01:43] [muon] jmthomas * 1208752 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/CMakeLists.txt Set the minimum required KDE version in CMake [01:48] groovy, RC 1 seems to be workin [01:59] interesting: http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/choqok-indicator?content=136533 [02:01] JontheEchidna: goodness [02:04] I have moun 1.90 built for lucid [02:05] neat [02:07] could you upload moun 1.0.90 un kubuntu-ppa/backports ? [02:08] you may consider the dependency on apt 0.8 unacceptable.. === Aranel_ is now known as Aranel [02:15] EagleScreen: I can copy over the required things to the official QApt PPA [02:18] JontheEchidna: if you want to do it, take a look to the ppa:eaglescreen/backports [02:19] EagleScreen: I will. Thanks a bunch [02:27] EagleScreen: http://jontheechidna.wordpress.com/2010/12/23/muon-suite-1-1-beta-packages-available-for-kubuntu-10-04/ [02:27] nice! [02:47] would someone want backport quassel 0.7.1 to kubuntu-ppa/backports for lucid, from ppa:eaglescreen/backports? [02:50] EagleScreen: why not put it in normal lucid-backports? [02:50] the PPAs are generally for KDE SC [02:50] it is an option [02:51] i ahve to read more about the backports team [02:51] just file a bug on launchpad.net/lucid-backports [02:51] they prefer it if you don't change anything compared to current development release but if there's a need to that should be ok [02:55] I think there osn't need [02:55] just rebuild [02:55] easy then [02:55] just file a bug and attach the build logs to confirm it compiles and confirm it runs fine [02:59] kaffeine 1.1 needs kde-pkg-tools 0.9, so is it possible to put it in any of the PPA's? I think it will be rejected for lucid-backports [03:00] I love kaffeine to watch Digital TV [03:01] one more thing, just remembering you, that there is an almost final kde4 release of kdbg (the KDE debugger), it could go to natty [03:02] [libqapt] jmthomas * 1208758 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/libqapt/src/ (package.cpp package.h) (log message trimmed) [03:02] Add a Package::controlField() function to get the string data of a certain field [03:02] of the package control file. With this, we can obtain an accurate value for the [03:03] EagleScreen: have you tried building it with the older pkg-kde-tools? [03:03] EagleScreen: it could, want to package it? :) [03:06] Ridell: 1) i didn't try because it figures in build-depends, and with 0.9, i still ahve build faulures, will investigate them. 2) I could try to package kdbg-kde4, but I cannot promisse to do it sucessfully [03:08] we're here to help [03:08] we even like helping :) [03:09] ok [03:10] I see, pkg-kde 0.9 needs python-scour which is not in lucid, a little complex..... to go to backports, dont you think? [03:10] EagleScreen: It should be easy enough to revert the scour changes. [03:11] easy for you, lol [03:12] and it doesn't build if you use pkg-kde-tools 0.6? [03:14] pim/pim-runtime in Natty and Maverick updates and backports PPAs. [03:14] I will try with 0.6 and will see [03:15] but then, why someone put 0.9 in build-deps [03:15] ? [03:15] well, maybe you'll have to change something, but it looks like you'll have to do that anyway [03:17] yes, that is sure [03:51] Riddell: When are you planning to push 4.5.90 into the archive? [03:54] JontheEchidna: I test built kde4ilbs-4.5.90 on armel. More symbol changes. [04:00] JontheEchidna: Would you be able to review the changes? http://pastebin.com/5vG24aQQ [04:55] ScottK: looks good. no abi breakage [04:55] JontheEchidna: Thanks. [06:52] sigh. [06:52] JontheEchidna: If you're up for another one: http://people.ubuntuwire.org/~lucas/ubuntu-nbs/32/libqtgtl_0.9.1-0ubuntu3_lubuntu32.buildlog [06:53] It just failed in lucas' rebuild test so far, but no doubt it'll fail in the archive too. [07:58] http://aplg.kollide.net/images/avatar/snapshot126.png vs. http://aplg.kollide.net/images/avatar/snapshot128.png [08:03] you can have konvi list servers and chans on the left side also [08:03] that's how I have mine set up [08:03] yeah [08:03] the big red Xs are the only drawback on that [08:03] not that we would want that by default [08:03] it seems much tidier that way [08:03] I have too many chans to do it in tabs [08:04] well yes, but, does the target audience? [08:04] hard to know, if we don't know our target audience [08:04] based on the profiles from UDS [08:04] that said, I still do not have all of them.... [08:04] we are part of our target audience [08:04] ....eek [08:05] valorie: sure, but *we* are largely using quasselclient [08:05] with a remote server running elsewhere [08:05] not me [08:05] I doubt that is much of a sensible setup [08:05] valorie: yea, but just about everyone else ;) [08:05] well, except for jt and jr [08:05] I always march to a different drummer [08:05] Gene Krupa [08:06] or Meg White [08:06] :-) [08:09] valorie: there is a bit of a usability/visual appeal issue with the tab bar [08:09] I used to use it in Konvi [08:09] having it at the bottom breaks consistency [08:09] but the more chans you get, the more useless it is [08:09] having it at the top causes a large text blob [08:09] basically same problem as konsole [08:09] yup [08:10] that and the fact that the world is going widescreen makes me think that maybe sidebar tabs are not that bad a thing [08:10] I mean, Quassel and konvi *look* almost the same, if they are set up the same way [08:10] well, except for their ludicrous red monsters ^^ [08:11] right, the red Xs are a bit of a problem [08:11] I should raise it to Sho [08:11] I read #phonon the other day [08:11] valorie: just that quassel makes itself appear more mighty due to all the frames it has [08:11] he's a bit bitter [08:11] I just had an experiement regarding that [08:11] all the frames? [08:12] showed a couple of my friends, of whom none knew either konvi or quassel, those screenshots [08:12] and asked them what they thought [08:12] my only use of it was during uds [08:12] and that wasn't a good experience [08:12] lol [08:12] 5/6 said that quassel looks much more powerful and were shocked when I told them that konvi actually is more powerful on a technology POV ^^ [08:13] valorie: http://aplg.kollide.net/images/avatar/snapshot127.png [08:13] I'm wondering what they base that on [08:13] notice the border lines surrounding each movable element [08:14] valorie: those frames or the sidebar [08:14] or both [08:15] it is however interesting since they essentially look the same except for those two (and that konvi initially has a top-down textflow whereas quassel as bottom-up [08:15] ) [08:15] I missed the movable part [08:15] like amarok panes [08:15] cool I guess [08:16] except I wouldn't be moving 'em [08:16] IMHO the moving thing only makes sense if you have multiple buffers [08:16] whatever a buffer might be [08:17] http://aplg.kollide.net/images/avatar/snapshot129.png [08:17] like this [08:17] multiple brain spaces might be useful [08:17] but of course that is far beyond any sensible usage [08:17] but I fear software can't supply that [08:18] in fact I consider my quassel setup one of the saner ones ;) [08:18] far beyond sensible usage: what you use on a daily basis? [08:18] lol [08:20] *nod* [08:20] so [08:20] what do we do for the party today? [08:21] this is all a bit silly I might say [08:21] party but no one has a plan for the party [08:21] oh dear oh dear [08:21] I fear we might end up mumbling on mumble with scary old markey [08:21] we will celebrate that I pass the exam that will be 11 am:P [08:22] mumble works? [08:24] *shrug* [08:24] ulysses: that will be *at* 11? [08:25] apachelogger: yes [08:25] oh dear oh dear [08:25] ulysses: good luck [08:25] thanks [08:25] but how would we know that you passed? :D [08:25] surely it takes longer than half a day to get the grades [08:26] JontheEchidna is freezing the strings again [08:26] I'll know the result today [08:26] his products are constantly frozen in some regard [08:26] ^^ [08:26] stringwise, codewise, something frozen at runtime ;)))) [08:28] * apachelogger has very awesome grammar today [10:48] party! [10:51] So im free for about 2 hours... need a hand with packaging stuff? [10:52] droidslayer: able to test natty first? [10:52] needs a tester than I can upload it [10:53] Nasty [10:53] I don't have insane amounts of bandwidth [10:54] :-P [10:55] So if you can wait for about 8 hours for me to download... yes I can check [10:55] Riddell: I'm up for this [10:55] Riddell: I have to go to shopping in a while so things will download and update while I'm away [10:55] great thanks Quintasan [10:56] droidslayer: then we need to start on maverick packages, take your pick [10:56] I'm about to set up some EC2 machines if that helps [10:56] Ok... lemme start my laptop [10:57] we also need the new kpackagekit packaged [10:57] incidently [10:57] New Pim as well [10:57] I can do pim [10:58] Riddell: What exacly needs to be tested? [10:59] Quintasan: install natty packages from ninjas [10:59] Oh my oh my [10:59] make sure they install and run [10:59] then update the table below the natty packages on https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging [10:59] The laptop isn't turning on :O [10:59] Bah... empty battery [11:01] droidslayer: want to do it on ec2? [11:01] Riddell: downloading, I will report back in a few hours [11:02] Riddell: well... I can do 2 packages then ;-) [11:02] \o [11:02] \o [11:03] apachelogger: seems skype went down ^_^ [11:03] apachelogger and markey broke it [11:03] although mine is connected now [11:04] valorie: yeah ... they must be sharing pr0n [11:04] shadeslayer: ssh ubuntu@ec2-204-236-254-232.compute-1.amazonaws.com [11:04] and thus broke the super nodes [11:04] valorie: apachelogger breaks everything. he is a mean spirited, and as I presume, possibly gay, person [11:04] don't tell him this [11:05] it's secret information [11:05] Riddell: its absolutely clean? ill have to create chroots etc? [11:05] seems so [11:06] shadeslayer: well it's maverick, no need for a chroot if you're building maverick packages [11:06] it's also dual core [11:06] Riddell: i rather feel comfy with my pbuilderrc and the stuff ive created on my local machine :P [11:07] all these fancy today people have these days, nothing wrong with just building the packages directly I say [11:09] ^_^ [11:10] Riddell: What's this all EC2 stuff? I'm not following this. [11:10] Quintasan: it's a service from amazon where you rent computers by the hour [11:10] Elastic Cloud Computing [11:10] markey: well, it's not secret anymore :P [11:10] means I can set up three computers and compile lots of things at once [11:11] Oh, neat. How much for one hour? [11:11] Quintasan: about 0.20 USD [11:11] @_@ [11:11] $0.08 for the single CPUs [11:11] for a single core CPU with 256 MB ram [11:12] right .. 0.08 [11:12] * Quintasan rents a whole farm to DDoS FBI [11:12] :P [11:12] lol [11:12] well ... you cant [11:12] :< [11:12] needless to say, they don't look on that too favourably [11:12] breach of Amazon contract [11:12] yep [11:13] Well, I'm off to shop. The update will finish in about 20 minutes and I should be back with results in one or two hours [11:15] hmm ScottK did KDE PIM 4.4.9 [11:15] 4.4.9 for what? [11:15] looks like ill jump on other stuff [11:15] natty [11:15] lemme check the ppa [11:16] yeah looks like done for maverick as well [11:16] ok ill do kde4libs [11:16] *shudder* [11:17] last time i did it ... it was a nightmare [11:17] Riddell: do we want kdepim 4.4.9 for lucid? [11:17] I don't care about lucid [11:17] but maybe you do [11:18] :P [11:18] maverick <3 first [11:19] ok you can do kde4libs and I'll have a shower and go to the market to buy my christmas dinner [11:19] oh [11:19] Riddell: kde4libs (4:4.5.90-0ubuntu1~ppa1) natty; urgency=low << [11:20] isnt that .... wrong? [11:20] ( from bzr ) [11:20] because it has ~ppa in bzr? [11:20] yes [11:20] shrug, saves me having to manually edit it and remove the ppa and change the natty to UNRELEASED [11:20] and it means much the same thing to anyone looking [11:21] ok ... [11:21] Riddell: is 4.5.90 uploaded to archives? [11:22] shadeslayer: no, it's not clear if upstream have released it or not (they're being very non committal on this release) and nobody has tested it except me [11:22] erm ... didnt they commit the annouce to kde.org? [11:22] it's not on the front page if they did [11:23] maybe the cron job hasnt run yet? [11:23] yeah dirk committed the templates but they havn't been updated for 4.5.90 and they haven't been linked to from anywhere [11:24] ohk [11:24] which is sebas's job normally [11:43] shadeslayer: Since we have kdepim/runtime 4.4.8 in lucid-proposed at the moment, I'd rather not confuse things with 4.4.9 in PPA for now. [11:43] ScottK: oh ok .. can we have 4.4.9 in proposed later? [11:43] or do we just forget about 4.4.9 for lucid? [11:44] also ... hupnp needs backporting for kdelibs [11:54] ScottK: btw how do you manage packages for debian and ubuntu? like ... its advised not to use sbuild on ubuntu to package stuff for debian [11:55] dual boot? [11:55] * shadeslayer pokes lp to pick up speed [11:56] Flash player died, R.I.P. [11:57] flash is legacy ... long live HTML5 ;) [11:57] on that note .. i need to fix stuff in rekonq so that it handles HTML5 better [12:00] who did package the Amarok 2.4.beta? We have the missing Mysql packages problem again with non-KDE users [12:02] argh [12:02] N: Unable to locate package libgrantlee-dev [12:02] that is getting annoying, second time [12:03] the 2.3.0 package had the same problem, missing libmysqlclient16 [12:03] shadeslayer: We can do it later. [12:04] for some reason pbuilder is not picking up the private ppa === yofel_ is now known as yofel [12:05] shadeslayer: If we can get more positive test comments in the bug for getting 4.4.5/8 into -updates the odds improve. [12:05] ohk === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan [12:11] Riddell: well, KDM has NO background (at least here), new KSplash is sure shiny. [12:11] Strigi has been disabled [12:12] Riddell: and re-enabling it causes Nepomuk to constatly crash [12:12] constatnly* [12:12] ... [12:12] all the time [12:12] Quintasan: any ideas why a pbuilder wont pick up kubuntu-ninjas ppa? [12:12] https transport? [12:13] installed [12:13] new ksplash is cool :D [12:13] the active window ighlight in the taskbar feels odd though [12:13] *highlight [12:14] why doesn't work copy-paste in firefox, why??? [12:14] hm, maybe the new gtk3 libs broke it:\ [12:14] Quintasan: *none* of the ppas work [12:15] er, why am I using oxygen was workspace style suddenly... [12:15] what happened to elegance o.O? [12:15] Riddell: ^^ any ideas why ppas dont work on the EC2 instance? [12:15] s/was/as/ [12:15] shadeslayer: blame apachelogger [12:15] Quintasan: +1 :P [12:15] he broke amazone [12:15] amazon [12:15] apachelogger: stop breaking so much stuff ... skype, amazon ... [12:16] Quintasan: kdm had the old background here [12:16] oh right, Rekonq crashes when opening page with Flash content [12:16] ^_^ [12:16] Riddell: what happened to libkonq5? [12:16] Quintasan: http://paste.ubuntu.com/546896 [12:16] thats what i have [12:17] shadeslayer: >vorian [12:17] why the hell are you using vorian's key? [12:17] Quintasan: because thats what the ppa says at the top :P [12:18] shadeslayer: lrn2Private PPA Subscriptions at your Launchpad profile [12:18] and the rc update just now reset my use gtk style settings... [12:18] *user [12:18] Quintasan: same thing with my private key [12:19] what the heck is up ^_^ [12:19] Riddell: the problem with kdepim is not really getting better: [12:19] kmail : Depends: libkdepim4 (= 4:4.4.9-0ubuntu0.1~ppa1) but 4:4.4.8-0ubuntu1~maverick1~ppa2 is to be installed [12:19] the dependency changed, that's all, still broken and 12 packages held back [12:20] Mamarok: Scott packaged KDE PIM [12:20] well, then ScottK ^ :) [12:20] kinda borked [12:21] Can't even start Kontact [12:21] damnit pbuilder [12:21] * ScottK looks [12:21] brb rm'ing .kde [12:21] Mamarok: Which PPA are you using? [12:21] ScottK: the usual: ppa, backports and beta [12:22] Mamarok: It did fail to build. I'll fix it. Oddly LP didn't mail me about that. [12:22] ScottK: OK, thanks a lot :) [12:23] Constant nepomuk crashes are constant [12:23] erm [12:23] latest is KDE 4.5.90 we have to package right? [12:24] * Riddell wanders back and puts dead animals in the fridge [12:24] ohh nvm [12:24] shadeslayer: yes [12:24] Riddell: EC2 not picking up private ppa [12:24] I'm not sure about dead animals but well, pim is broken [12:24] infact .. any ppa for that matter [12:24] shadeslayer: it'll pick up whatever you tell it to [12:24] what are you doing? [12:25] Mamarok: well I did fix the kdepim issue but then 4.4.9 came out so I guess I need to look at it again [12:25] Quintasan: it became libkonq5a I think [12:25] Riddell: ScottK is looking into it now [12:25] well ... i set up pbuilder -> added ppas to pbuilder -> update -> cant seem to pick up new grantlee [12:25] Riddell: well, it should provide libkonq5 I think [12:26] Mamarok: oh aye, he's good like that [12:26] Quintasan: it doesn't provide it, the ABI changed [12:26] oh [12:26] surprisingly ... it picked up hpunp :/ [12:26] nvm the Kontact issue [12:26] It works suddenly [12:26] shadeslayer: as I really have no idea how to do anything fancy with pbuilders you're on your own but if it's in sources.list and updated then it should install [12:27] yofel: so you packaged grantlee .. and attica... your libhupnp-dev package is picked up but not those two? [12:27] which is *weird* [12:28] I only backported them, and I can see every one of them fine here [12:28] yofel: in a chroot? [12:28] sc [12:28] *sec [12:29] hm... [12:29] Quintasan: any other problems? [12:29] with 4.5.90 on natty? [12:29] yofel: something is wrong ... right? :P [12:30] None apart from Nepomuk crashes so far [12:30] yeah, WTF? [12:30] shadeslayer: what's in the sources.list? what's in the packages list that downloads? [12:30] Quintasan: yep, that seems consistent with what I have [12:30] Quintasan: what's your issue with libkonq? [12:30] The hotkeys in Kontact are "ambigous" again :/ [12:31] Riddell: I tried installing the Dolphin Dropbox plugin [12:31] Riddell: no the issue are the packages i think, i can see hupnp .. but not new grantlee and attica [12:31] It depends on libkonq5 but I'm going to remove this [12:31] +the [12:31] Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/546899 [12:32] Quintasan: it'll need recompiled then [12:32] erm, libgrantlee-dev isn't in the ppa Package lists file o.O? [12:32] yofel: aye [12:33] not in /var/lib/apt/lists/private-ppa.launchpad.net_kubuntu-ninjas_ppa_ubuntu_dists_maverick_main_binary-amd64_Packages I mean [12:33] Kontact is neat [12:33] something is *very* wrong [12:33] on the launchpad side I think [12:33] aye [12:33] Riddell: Do you have any idea what causes Nepomuk to crash? [12:34] yofel: so like .... we need to get someone to re run gzip on the ppa to update the list [12:34] shadeslayer: Does the version number of the missing packages have a "~" in it? [12:34] ScottK: yep [12:34] I think it's a known bug. [12:34] *but* hupnp is detected [12:35] it has a ~ in its version too [12:36] Quintasan: nope [12:36] Weird. [12:36] shadeslayer: hmm, you could be right [12:36]