[00:08] <Riddell> ooh party day!
[00:08] <Riddell> what shall we do for a party?
[00:08] <Riddell> how about the package KDE SC 4.6 RC 1 game?
[00:08] <Riddell> first one to work out how to get kdenetwork to compile wins
[00:10] <yofel> what's broken this time?
[00:12] <Riddell> yofel: /home/ubuntu/kdenetwork/kdenetwork-4.5.90/kget/transfer-plugins/bittorrent/bttransferhandler.h:56:5: warning: "LIBKTORRENT_VERSION" is not defined
[00:12] <Riddell> looks like whatever the fix for the libktorrent issue was doesn't want to work 
[00:13] <markey> for party, I plan to cuddle with apachelogger, but only if no one ever hears of this
[00:15] <Riddell> you might make people jelous
[00:51] <yofel> Riddell: https://code.launchpad.net/~yofel/kdebindings/4.6.90_2/+merge/44541
[00:53] <Riddell> lovely yofel, merging and uploading to PPA
[00:54] <yofel> :)
[01:23] <EagleScreen> hello JontheEchidna
[01:24] <EagleScreen> JontheEchidna: do you know why moun does not build for lucid? <-- http://launchpadlibrarian.net/61099623/buildlog_ubuntu-lucid-i386.muon_1.0.90-0ubuntu0~lucid1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[01:27] <JontheEchidna> EagleScreen: it requires KDE 4.5
[01:27] <EagleScreen> oh
[01:27] <EagleScreen> I supused it owuld be something like it
[01:28] <JontheEchidna> yeah, the class the CategoryDrawer is based off of is new in 4.5
[01:28] <EagleScreen> JontheEchidna: then, has it any missing build-dependency 
[01:29] <JontheEchidna> kde 4.5. lucid has 4.4
[01:29] <EagleScreen> instead of report a build-dependency issue, it report syntax errors in the code
[01:29] <JontheEchidna> I don't think libqapt 1.0.90 will build in lucid anyways due to lucid's APT being too old, and I know that muon 1.0.90 requires libqapt 1.0.90
[01:31] <EagleScreen> I mean something like adding build-dep on kdelibs5-dev (>=4.5.0), isn't it?
[01:31] <JontheEchidna> 4:4.5.0, but yeah
[01:31] <EagleScreen> shouldn't you add the version to it?
[01:33] <JontheEchidna> yeah, it should be added to the packaging
[01:34] <EagleScreen> It can be built for lucid if Kubuntu-ppa/backports are used and apt 0.8.10 is backported in some PPA (I am doing it now)
[01:34] <JontheEchidna> yeah, as long as it has kde 4.5 and apt 0.8 it should build
[01:35] <EagleScreen> good
[01:43] <CIA-39> [muon] jmthomas * 1208752 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/CMakeLists.txt Set the minimum required KDE version in CMake
[01:48] <Riddell> groovy, RC 1 seems to be workin
[01:59] <JontheEchidna> interesting: http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/choqok-indicator?content=136533
[02:01] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: goodness
[02:04] <EagleScreen> I have moun 1.90 built for lucid
[02:05] <JontheEchidna> neat
[02:07] <EagleScreen> could you upload moun 1.0.90 un kubuntu-ppa/backports ?
[02:08] <EagleScreen> you may consider the dependency on apt 0.8 unacceptable..
[02:15] <JontheEchidna> EagleScreen: I can copy over the required things to the official QApt PPA
[02:18] <EagleScreen> JontheEchidna: if you want to do it, take a look to the ppa:eaglescreen/backports
[02:19] <JontheEchidna> EagleScreen: I will. Thanks a bunch
[02:27] <JontheEchidna> EagleScreen: http://jontheechidna.wordpress.com/2010/12/23/muon-suite-1-1-beta-packages-available-for-kubuntu-10-04/
[02:27] <EagleScreen> nice!
[02:47] <EagleScreen> would someone want backport quassel 0.7.1 to kubuntu-ppa/backports for lucid, from ppa:eaglescreen/backports?
[02:50] <Riddell> EagleScreen: why not put it in normal lucid-backports?
[02:50] <Riddell> the PPAs are generally for KDE SC
[02:50] <EagleScreen> it is an option
[02:51] <EagleScreen> i ahve to read more about the backports team
[02:51] <Riddell> just file a bug on launchpad.net/lucid-backports
[02:51] <Riddell> they prefer it if you don't change anything compared to current development release but if there's a need to that should be ok
[02:55] <EagleScreen> I think there osn't need
[02:55] <EagleScreen> just rebuild
[02:55] <Riddell> easy then
[02:55] <Riddell> just file a bug and attach the build logs to confirm it compiles and confirm it runs fine
[02:59] <EagleScreen> kaffeine 1.1 needs kde-pkg-tools 0.9, so is it possible to put it in any of the PPA's? I think it will be rejected for lucid-backports
[03:00] <EagleScreen> I love kaffeine to watch Digital TV
[03:01] <EagleScreen> one more thing, just remembering you, that there is an almost final kde4 release of kdbg (the KDE debugger), it could go to natty
[03:02] <CIA-39> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1208758 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/libqapt/src/ (package.cpp package.h) (log message trimmed)
[03:02] <CIA-39> Add a Package::controlField() function to get the string data of a certain field
[03:02] <CIA-39> of the package control file. With this, we can obtain an accurate value for the
[03:03] <Riddell> EagleScreen: have you tried building it with the older pkg-kde-tools?
[03:03] <Riddell> EagleScreen: it could, want to package it? :)
[03:06] <EagleScreen> Ridell: 1) i didn't try because it figures in build-depends, and with 0.9, i still ahve build faulures, will investigate them. 2) I could try to package kdbg-kde4, but I cannot promisse to do it sucessfully
[03:08] <Riddell> we're here to help
[03:08] <Riddell> we even like helping :)
[03:09] <EagleScreen> ok
[03:10] <EagleScreen> I see, pkg-kde 0.9 needs python-scour which is not in lucid, a little complex..... to go to backports, dont you think?
[03:10] <ScottK> EagleScreen: It should be easy enough to revert the scour changes.
[03:11] <EagleScreen> easy for you, lol
[03:12] <yofel> and it doesn't build if you use pkg-kde-tools 0.6?
[03:14] <ScottK> pim/pim-runtime in Natty and Maverick updates and backports PPAs.
[03:14] <EagleScreen> I will try with 0.6 and will see
[03:15] <EagleScreen> but then, why someone put 0.9 in build-deps
[03:15] <EagleScreen> ?
[03:15] <yofel> well, maybe you'll have to change something, but it looks like you'll have to do that anyway
[03:17] <EagleScreen> yes, that is sure
[03:51] <ScottK> Riddell: When are you planning to push 4.5.90 into the archive?
[03:54] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: I test built kde4ilbs-4.5.90 on armel.  More symbol changes.
[04:00] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Would you be able to review the changes?  http://pastebin.com/5vG24aQQ
[04:55] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: looks good. no abi breakage
[04:55] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Thanks.
[06:52] <ScottK> sigh.
[06:52] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: If you're up for another one: http://people.ubuntuwire.org/~lucas/ubuntu-nbs/32/libqtgtl_0.9.1-0ubuntu3_lubuntu32.buildlog
[06:53] <ScottK> It just failed in lucas' rebuild test so far, but no doubt it'll fail in the archive too.
[07:58] <apachelogger> http://aplg.kollide.net/images/avatar/snapshot126.png vs. http://aplg.kollide.net/images/avatar/snapshot128.png
[08:03] <valorie> you can have konvi list servers and chans on the left side also
[08:03] <valorie> that's how I have mine set up
[08:03] <apachelogger> yeah
[08:03] <valorie> the big red Xs are the only drawback on that
[08:03] <apachelogger> not that we would want that by default
[08:03] <apachelogger> it seems much tidier that way
[08:03] <valorie> I have too many chans to do it in tabs
[08:04] <apachelogger> well yes, but, does the target audience?
[08:04] <valorie> hard to know, if we don't know our target audience
[08:04] <apachelogger> based on the profiles from UDS
[08:04] <apachelogger> that said, I still do not have all of them....
[08:04] <valorie> we are part of our target audience
[08:04] <valorie> ....eek
[08:05] <apachelogger> valorie: sure, but *we* are largely using quasselclient
[08:05] <apachelogger> with a remote server running elsewhere
[08:05] <valorie> not me
[08:05] <apachelogger> I doubt that is much of a sensible setup
[08:05] <apachelogger> valorie: yea, but just about everyone else ;)
[08:05] <apachelogger> well, except for jt and jr
[08:05] <valorie> I always march to a different drummer
[08:05] <valorie> Gene Krupa
[08:06] <valorie> or Meg White
[08:06] <valorie> :-)
[08:09] <apachelogger> valorie: there is a bit of a usability/visual appeal issue with the tab bar
[08:09] <valorie> I used to use it in Konvi
[08:09] <apachelogger> having it at the bottom breaks consistency
[08:09] <valorie> but the more chans you get, the more useless it is
[08:09] <apachelogger> having it at the top causes a large text blob
[08:09] <apachelogger> basically same problem as konsole
[08:09] <valorie> yup
[08:10] <apachelogger> that and the fact that the world is going widescreen makes me think that maybe sidebar tabs are not that bad a thing
[08:10] <valorie> I mean, Quassel and konvi *look* almost the same, if they are set up the same way
[08:10] <apachelogger> well, except for their ludicrous red monsters ^^
[08:11] <valorie> right, the red Xs are a bit of a problem
[08:11] <valorie> I should raise it to Sho
[08:11] <valorie> I read #phonon the other day
[08:11] <apachelogger> valorie: just that quassel makes itself appear more mighty due to all the frames it has
[08:11] <valorie> he's a bit bitter
[08:11] <apachelogger> I just had an experiement regarding that
[08:11] <valorie> all the frames?
[08:12] <apachelogger> showed a couple of my friends, of whom none knew either konvi or quassel, those screenshots
[08:12] <apachelogger> and asked them what they thought
[08:12] <valorie> my only use of it was during uds
[08:12] <valorie> and that wasn't a good experience
[08:12] <valorie> lol
[08:12] <apachelogger> 5/6 said that quassel looks much more powerful and were shocked when I told them that konvi actually is more powerful on a technology POV ^^
[08:13] <apachelogger> valorie: http://aplg.kollide.net/images/avatar/snapshot127.png
[08:13] <valorie> I'm wondering what they base that on
[08:13] <apachelogger> notice the border lines surrounding each movable element
[08:14] <apachelogger> valorie: those frames or the sidebar
[08:14] <apachelogger> or both
[08:15] <apachelogger> it is however interesting since they essentially look the same except for those two (and that konvi initially has a top-down textflow whereas quassel as bottom-up
[08:15] <apachelogger> )
[08:15] <valorie> I missed the movable part
[08:15] <valorie> like amarok panes
[08:15] <valorie> cool I guess
[08:16] <valorie> except I wouldn't be moving 'em
[08:16] <apachelogger> IMHO the moving thing only makes sense if you have multiple buffers
[08:16] <apachelogger> whatever a buffer might be
[08:17] <apachelogger> http://aplg.kollide.net/images/avatar/snapshot129.png
[08:17] <apachelogger> like this
[08:17] <valorie> multiple brain spaces might be useful
[08:17] <apachelogger> but of course that is far beyond any sensible usage
[08:17] <valorie> but I fear software can't supply that
[08:18] <apachelogger> in fact I consider my quassel setup one of the saner ones ;)
[08:18] <valorie> far beyond sensible usage: what you use on a daily basis?
[08:18] <valorie> lol
[08:20] <apachelogger> *nod*
[08:20] <apachelogger> so
[08:20] <apachelogger> what do we do for the party today?
[08:21] <apachelogger> this is all a bit silly I might say
[08:21] <apachelogger> party but no one has a plan for the party
[08:21] <apachelogger> oh dear oh dear
[08:21] <apachelogger> I fear we might end up mumbling on mumble with scary old markey
[08:21] <ulysses> we will celebrate that I pass the exam that will be 11 am:P
[08:22] <valorie> mumble works?
[08:24] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[08:24] <apachelogger> ulysses: that will be *at* 11?
[08:25] <ulysses> apachelogger: yes
[08:25] <apachelogger> oh dear oh dear
[08:25] <apachelogger> ulysses: good luck
[08:25] <ulysses> thanks
[08:25] <apachelogger> but how would we know that you passed? :D
[08:25] <apachelogger> surely it takes longer than half a day to get the grades
[08:26] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna is freezing the strings again
[08:26] <ulysses> I'll know the result today
[08:26] <apachelogger> his products are constantly frozen in some regard
[08:26] <ulysses> ^^
[08:26] <apachelogger> stringwise, codewise, something frozen at runtime ;))))
[08:28]  * apachelogger has very awesome grammar today
[10:48] <Riddell> party!
[10:51] <droidslayer> So im free for about 2 hours...  need a hand with packaging stuff?
[10:52] <Riddell> droidslayer: able to test natty first?
[10:52] <Riddell> needs a tester than I can upload it
[10:53] <droidslayer> Nasty
[10:53] <droidslayer> I don't have insane amounts of bandwidth
[10:54] <droidslayer> :-P
[10:55] <droidslayer> So if you can wait for about 8 hours for me to download... yes I can check
[10:55] <Quintasan> Riddell: I'm up for this
[10:55] <Quintasan> Riddell: I have to go to shopping in a while so things will download and update while I'm away
[10:55] <Riddell> great thanks Quintasan 
[10:56] <Riddell> droidslayer: then we need to start on maverick packages, take your pick
[10:56] <Riddell> I'm about to set up some EC2 machines if that helps
[10:56] <droidslayer> Ok...  lemme start my laptop
[10:57] <Riddell> we also need the new kpackagekit packaged
[10:57] <Riddell> incidently
[10:57] <droidslayer> New Pim as well
[10:57] <droidslayer> I can do pim
[10:58] <Quintasan> Riddell: What exacly needs to be tested?
[10:59] <Riddell> Quintasan: install natty packages from ninjas
[10:59] <droidslayer> Oh my oh my
[10:59] <Riddell> make sure they install and run
[10:59] <Riddell> then update the table below the natty packages on https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging
[10:59] <droidslayer> The laptop isn't turning on :O 
[10:59] <droidslayer> Bah...  empty battery
[11:01] <Riddell> droidslayer: want to do it on ec2?
[11:01] <Quintasan> Riddell: downloading, I will report back in a few hours
[11:02] <droidslayer> Riddell: well...  I can do 2 packages then ;-)
[11:02] <shadeslayer> \o
[11:02] <Quintasan> \o
[11:03] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: seems skype went down ^_^
[11:03] <valorie> apachelogger and markey broke it
[11:03] <valorie> although mine is connected now
[11:04] <shadeslayer> valorie: yeah ... they must be sharing pr0n
[11:04] <Riddell> shadeslayer: ssh ubuntu@ec2-204-236-254-232.compute-1.amazonaws.com
[11:04] <shadeslayer> and thus broke the super nodes
[11:04] <markey> valorie: apachelogger breaks everything. he is a mean spirited, and as I presume, possibly gay, person
[11:04] <markey> don't tell him this
[11:05] <markey> it's secret information
[11:05] <shadeslayer> Riddell: its absolutely clean? ill have to create chroots etc?
[11:05] <shadeslayer> seems so
[11:06] <Riddell> shadeslayer: well it's maverick, no need for a chroot if you're building maverick packages
[11:06] <Riddell> it's also dual core
[11:06] <shadeslayer> Riddell: i rather feel comfy with my pbuilderrc and the stuff ive created on my local machine :P
[11:07] <Riddell> all these fancy today people have these days, nothing wrong with just building the packages directly I say
[11:09] <shadeslayer> ^_^
[11:10] <Quintasan> Riddell: What's this all EC2 stuff? I'm not following this.
[11:10] <Riddell> Quintasan: it's a service from amazon where you rent computers by the hour
[11:10] <shadeslayer> Elastic Cloud Computing
[11:10] <Quintasan> markey: well, it's not secret anymore :P
[11:10] <Riddell> means I can set up three computers and compile lots of things at once
[11:11] <Quintasan> Oh, neat. How much for one hour?
[11:11] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: about 0.20 USD
[11:11] <Quintasan> @_@
[11:11] <Riddell> $0.08 for the single CPUs
[11:11] <shadeslayer> for a single core CPU with 256 MB ram
[11:12] <shadeslayer> right .. 0.08 
[11:12]  * Quintasan rents a whole farm to DDoS FBI
[11:12] <Quintasan> :P
[11:12] <shadeslayer> lol
[11:12] <shadeslayer> well ... you cant
[11:12] <Quintasan> :<
[11:12] <Riddell> needless to say, they don't look on that too favourably
[11:12] <shadeslayer> breach of Amazon contract
[11:12] <shadeslayer> yep
[11:13] <Quintasan> Well, I'm off to shop. The update will finish in about 20 minutes and I should be back with results in one or two hours
[11:15] <shadeslayer> hmm ScottK did KDE PIM 4.4.9
[11:15] <Riddell> 4.4.9 for what?
[11:15] <shadeslayer> looks like ill jump on other stuff
[11:15] <shadeslayer> natty
[11:15] <shadeslayer> lemme check the ppa
[11:16] <shadeslayer> yeah looks like done for maverick as well
[11:16] <shadeslayer> ok ill do kde4libs 
[11:16] <shadeslayer> *shudder*
[11:17] <shadeslayer> last time i did it ... it was a nightmare
[11:17] <shadeslayer> Riddell: do we want kdepim 4.4.9 for lucid?
[11:17] <Riddell> I don't care about lucid
[11:17] <Riddell> but maybe you do
[11:18] <shadeslayer> :P
[11:18] <shadeslayer> maverick <3 first
[11:19] <Riddell> ok you can do kde4libs and I'll have a shower and go to the market to buy my christmas dinner
[11:19] <shadeslayer> oh
[11:19] <shadeslayer> Riddell: kde4libs (4:4.5.90-0ubuntu1~ppa1) natty; urgency=low <<
[11:20] <shadeslayer> isnt that  .... wrong?
[11:20] <shadeslayer> ( from bzr )
[11:20] <Riddell> because it has ~ppa in bzr?
[11:20] <shadeslayer> yes
[11:20] <Riddell> shrug, saves me having to manually edit it and remove the ppa and change the natty to UNRELEASED
[11:20] <Riddell> and it means much the same thing to anyone looking
[11:21] <shadeslayer> ok ...
[11:21] <shadeslayer> Riddell: is 4.5.90 uploaded to archives?
[11:22] <Riddell> shadeslayer: no, it's not clear if upstream have released it or not (they're being very non committal on this release) and nobody has tested it except me
[11:22] <shadeslayer> erm ... didnt they commit the annouce to kde.org?
[11:22] <Riddell> it's not on the front page if they did
[11:23] <shadeslayer> maybe the cron job hasnt run yet?
[11:23] <Riddell> yeah dirk committed the templates but they havn't been updated for 4.5.90 and they haven't been linked to from anywhere
[11:24] <shadeslayer> ohk
[11:24] <Riddell> which is sebas's job normally
[11:43] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Since we have kdepim/runtime 4.4.8 in lucid-proposed at the moment, I'd rather not confuse things with 4.4.9 in PPA for now.
[11:43] <shadeslayer> ScottK: oh ok .. can we have 4.4.9 in proposed later?
[11:43] <shadeslayer> or do we just forget about 4.4.9 for lucid?
[11:44] <shadeslayer> also ... hupnp needs backporting for kdelibs
[11:54] <shadeslayer> ScottK: btw how do you manage packages for debian and ubuntu? like ... its advised not to use sbuild on ubuntu to package stuff for debian
[11:55] <shadeslayer> dual boot?
[11:55]  * shadeslayer pokes lp to pick up speed
[11:56] <ulysses> Flash player died, R.I.P.
[11:57] <shadeslayer> flash is legacy ... long live HTML5 ;)
[11:57] <shadeslayer> on that note .. i need to fix stuff in rekonq so that it handles HTML5 better
[12:00] <Mamarok> who did package the Amarok 2.4.beta? We have the missing Mysql packages problem again with non-KDE users
[12:02] <shadeslayer> argh
[12:02] <shadeslayer> N: Unable to locate package libgrantlee-dev
[12:02] <Mamarok> that is getting annoying, second time
[12:03] <Mamarok> the 2.3.0 package had the same problem, missing libmysqlclient16
[12:03] <ScottK> shadeslayer: We can do it later.
[12:04] <shadeslayer> for some reason pbuilder is not picking up the private ppa 
[12:05] <ScottK> shadeslayer: If we can get more positive test comments in the bug for getting 4.4.5/8 into -updates the odds improve.
[12:05] <shadeslayer> ohk
[12:11] <Quintasan> Riddell: well, KDM has NO background (at least here), new KSplash is sure shiny.
[12:11] <Quintasan> Strigi has been disabled
[12:12] <Quintasan> Riddell: and re-enabling it causes Nepomuk to constatly crash
[12:12] <Quintasan> constatnly*
[12:12] <Quintasan> ...
[12:12] <Quintasan> all the time
[12:12] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: any ideas why a pbuilder wont pick up kubuntu-ninjas ppa?
[12:12] <Quintasan> https transport?
[12:13] <shadeslayer> installed
[12:13] <yofel> new ksplash is cool :D
[12:13] <yofel> the active window ighlight in the taskbar feels odd though
[12:13] <yofel> *highlight
[12:14] <ulysses> why doesn't work copy-paste in firefox, why???
[12:14] <ulysses> hm, maybe the new gtk3 libs broke it:\
[12:14] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: *none* of the ppas work
[12:15] <yofel> er, why am I using oxygen was workspace style suddenly...
[12:15] <yofel> what happened to elegance o.O?
[12:15] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ^^ any ideas why ppas dont work on the EC2 instance?
[12:15] <yofel> s/was/as/
[12:15] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: blame apachelogger
[12:15] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: +1 :P
[12:15] <shadeslayer> he broke amazone
[12:15] <shadeslayer> amazon
[12:15] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: stop breaking so much stuff ... skype, amazon ...
[12:16] <yofel> Quintasan: kdm had the old background here
[12:16] <ulysses> oh right, Rekonq crashes when opening page with Flash content
[12:16] <shadeslayer> ^_^
[12:16] <Quintasan> Riddell: what happened to libkonq5?
[12:16] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: http://paste.ubuntu.com/546896
[12:16] <shadeslayer> thats what i have
[12:17] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: >vorian
[12:17] <Quintasan> why the hell are you using vorian's key?
[12:17] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: because thats what the ppa says at the top :P
[12:18] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: lrn2Private PPA Subscriptions at your Launchpad profile
[12:18] <yofel> and the rc update just now reset my use gtk style settings...
[12:18] <yofel> *user
[12:18] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: same thing with my private key
[12:19] <shadeslayer> what the heck is up ^_^
[12:19] <Mamarok> Riddell: the problem with kdepim is not really getting better:
[12:19] <Mamarok> kmail : Depends: libkdepim4 (= 4:4.4.9-0ubuntu0.1~ppa1) but 4:4.4.8-0ubuntu1~maverick1~ppa2 is to be installed
[12:19] <Mamarok> the dependency changed, that's all, still broken and 12 packages held back
[12:20] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: Scott packaged KDE PIM
[12:20] <Mamarok> well, then ScottK ^ :)
[12:20] <Quintasan> kinda borked
[12:21] <Quintasan> Can't even start Kontact
[12:21] <shadeslayer> damnit pbuilder
[12:21]  * ScottK looks
[12:21] <Quintasan> brb rm'ing .kde
[12:21] <ScottK> Mamarok: Which PPA are you using?
[12:21] <Mamarok> ScottK: the usual: ppa, backports and beta
[12:22] <ScottK> Mamarok: It did fail to build.  I'll fix it.  Oddly LP didn't mail me about that.
[12:22] <Mamarok> ScottK: OK, thanks a lot :)
[12:23] <Quintasan> Constant nepomuk crashes are constant
[12:23] <shadeslayer> erm
[12:23] <shadeslayer> latest is KDE 4.5.90 we have to package right?
[12:24]  * Riddell wanders back and puts dead animals in the fridge
[12:24] <shadeslayer> ohh nvm
[12:24] <Riddell> shadeslayer: yes
[12:24] <shadeslayer> Riddell: EC2 not picking up private ppa
[12:24] <Quintasan> I'm not sure about dead animals but well, pim is broken
[12:24] <shadeslayer> infact .. any ppa for that matter
[12:24] <Riddell> shadeslayer: it'll pick up whatever you tell it to
[12:24] <Riddell> what are you doing?
[12:25] <Riddell> Mamarok: well I did fix the kdepim issue but then 4.4.9 came out so I guess I need to look at it again
[12:25] <Riddell> Quintasan: it became libkonq5a I think
[12:25] <Mamarok> Riddell: ScottK is looking into it now
[12:25] <shadeslayer> well ... i set up pbuilder -> added ppas to pbuilder -> update -> cant seem to pick up new grantlee 
[12:25] <Quintasan> Riddell: well, it should provide libkonq5 I think
[12:26] <Riddell> Mamarok: oh aye, he's good like that
[12:26] <Riddell> Quintasan: it doesn't provide it, the ABI changed
[12:26] <Quintasan> oh
[12:26] <shadeslayer> surprisingly ... it picked up hpunp :/
[12:26] <Quintasan> nvm the Kontact issue
[12:26] <Quintasan> It works suddenly
[12:26] <Riddell> shadeslayer: as I really have no idea how to do anything fancy with pbuilders you're on your own but if it's in sources.list and updated then it should install
[12:27] <shadeslayer> yofel: so you packaged grantlee .. and attica... your libhupnp-dev package is picked up but not those two?
[12:27] <shadeslayer> which is *weird*
[12:28] <yofel> I only backported them, and I can see every one of them fine here
[12:28] <shadeslayer> yofel: in a chroot?
[12:28] <yofel> sc
[12:28] <yofel> *sec
[12:29] <yofel> hm...
[12:29] <Riddell> Quintasan: any other problems?
[12:29] <Riddell> with 4.5.90 on natty?
[12:29] <shadeslayer> yofel: something is wrong ... right? :P
[12:30] <Quintasan> None apart from Nepomuk crashes so far
[12:30] <yofel> yeah, WTF?
[12:30] <Riddell> shadeslayer: what's in the sources.list?  what's in the packages list that downloads? 
[12:30] <Riddell> Quintasan: yep, that seems consistent with what I have
[12:30] <Riddell> Quintasan: what's your issue with libkonq?
[12:30] <Quintasan> The hotkeys in Kontact are "ambigous" again :/
[12:31] <Quintasan> Riddell: I tried installing the Dolphin Dropbox plugin
[12:31] <shadeslayer> Riddell: no the issue are the packages i think, i can see hupnp .. but not new grantlee and attica
[12:31] <Quintasan> It depends on libkonq5 but I'm going to remove this
[12:31] <shadeslayer> +the
[12:31] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/546899
[12:32] <Riddell> Quintasan: it'll need recompiled then
[12:32] <yofel> erm, libgrantlee-dev isn't in the ppa Package lists file o.O?
[12:32] <shadeslayer> yofel: aye
[12:33] <yofel> not in /var/lib/apt/lists/private-ppa.launchpad.net_kubuntu-ninjas_ppa_ubuntu_dists_maverick_main_binary-amd64_Packages I mean
[12:33] <Quintasan> Kontact is neat
[12:33] <shadeslayer> something is *very* wrong
[12:33] <yofel> on the launchpad side I think
[12:33] <shadeslayer> aye
[12:33] <Quintasan> Riddell: Do you have any idea what causes Nepomuk to crash?
[12:34] <shadeslayer> yofel: so like .... we need to get someone to re run gzip on the ppa to update the list
[12:34] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Does the version number of the missing packages have a "~" in it?
[12:34] <shadeslayer> ScottK: yep
[12:34] <ScottK> I think it's a known bug.
[12:34] <shadeslayer> *but* hupnp is detected
[12:35] <shadeslayer> it has a ~ in its version too
[12:36] <Riddell> Quintasan: nope
[12:36] <ScottK> Weird.
[12:36] <Riddell> shadeslayer: hmm, you could be right
[12:36] <shadeslayer> oh god ... SMS Spam
[12:36] <yofel> Riddell, shadeslayer: hupnp doesn't exist in maverick archive though, so that might make a difference
[12:36] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: there was a free game on sale last night ... Hero of Sparta 
[12:37] <shadeslayer> s/sale/download
[12:37] <shadeslayer> yofel: dunnolol
[12:37] <shadeslayer> LP is weird :P
[12:37] <shadeslayer> lets take this to #launchpad?
[12:39] <yofel> you could add beta ppa to chroot as a workaround, that shows grantlee for maverick
[12:39] <shadeslayer> yofel: yes, but then another issue could arise ... when i upload kde4libs .. it might break in ninja ppa :P
[12:40] <yofel> agreed :/
[12:40] <Riddell> ScottK: where did you hear of the ~ disappears issue?
[12:40] <ScottK> Riddell: From wgrant.  I had trouble downloading buildlogs from the private PPA and asked him about it.
[12:41] <wgrant> I love Web browsers :(
[12:41] <shadeslayer> ^_^
[12:41] <shadeslayer> wgrant: all of us do ...
[12:41] <Riddell> wgrant?
[12:41] <ScottK> I think my issue was a bit different though.
[12:41] <shadeslayer> so ... nothing on firefighting @ launchpad-dev
[12:42] <wgrant> Riddell: Chromium will not send '%7E' in a URL. It will always decode it to '~'. Which breaks the librarian's security code.
[12:42] <wgrant> shadeslayer: We have no known issues.
[12:42] <ScottK> Alzheimers is nice that way.
[12:42] <Riddell> wgrant: so any idea why packages are disappearing from kubuntu-ninjas?
[12:42] <shadeslayer> wgrant: yes but i think we just hit one :)
[12:42] <wgrant> Riddell: I don't have private PPA superpowers, and the only Soyuz dev with such superpowers is on leave.
[12:43] <wgrant> So I cannot investigate that archive.
[12:43] <ScottK> wgrant: What if we added you to the relevant team for investigative purposes?
[12:43] <wgrant> ScottK: Then I could give you an answer.
[12:43] <ScottK> Riddell: ^^^
[12:45] <Riddell> wgrant: I added you to ~kubuntu-ninjas
[12:45] <wgrant> Thanks.
[12:45] <wgrant> Let's see.
[12:50] <wgrant> Interesting.
[12:50] <Riddell> interesting in a good way or a bad way?
[12:51] <wgrant> Riddell: Interesting in the "you apparently deleted them yesterday" sense.
[12:51] <wgrant> But the source is still there.
[12:51] <wgrant> But it says they were deleted by ~jr at 2010-12-22T14:39:49
[12:52] <yofel> the show as published in the web interface though..
[12:52] <yofel> *they 
[12:52] <wgrant> That's the source.
[12:52] <wgrant> Normally the source and binary publishing status is the same.
[12:52] <wgrant> But apparently the binaries are deleted.
[12:52] <yofel> o.O
[12:52] <wgrant> Pretty much.
[12:53] <shadeslayer> whut .... 0_o
[12:53] <wgrant> Ah hm.
[12:53] <ScottK> I guess we need to find this jr person and ask him why he did that ....
[12:53] <Riddell> I did try to delete some packages yesterday but as usual launchpad timed out (and it should have been the natty packages I deleted but maybe I ticked the wrong boxes)
[12:53] <wgrant> https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ninjas/+archive/ppa/+packages?field.name_filter=attica&field.status_filter=&field.series_filter=maverick
[12:53] <wgrant> It looks like someone uploaded the new attica, then deleted it, then copied it back in a week later.
[12:54] <wgrant> Then Riddell somehow redeleted the old deleted one.
[12:54] <Quintasan> ...
[12:54] <shadeslayer> uh .... 
[12:54] <wgrant> And it deleted the binaries from the new one.
[12:54] <Quintasan> Launchpad magic :3.
[12:54] <shadeslayer> so .... again ... LP is weird :P
[12:54] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: +1 :D
[12:55] <wgrant> Indeed. But this is a very uncommon edge case that I haven't seen crop up before.
[12:55] <Riddell> presumably reuploading with a bumped version number would solve it
[12:55] <Quintasan> Riddell: Well, I still have to work to do, but so far there weren't any problems apart from Nepomuk
[12:55] <Riddell> Quintasan: great thanks
[12:55] <wgrant> Riddell: I can probably fix it by copying it back.
[12:55] <yofel> so deleting the packages and copying them in again would work?
[12:55] <wgrant> Let me try.
[12:56] <Riddell> wgrant: thanks, attica and grantlee I think it is
[12:56] <wgrant> Is it just attica and that other one? grantlee?
[12:56] <shadeslayer> wgrant: grantlee as well
[12:59] <wgrant> OK, they all look revived.
[12:59] <wgrant> And will hopefully be published in a couple of minutes.
[13:00] <Riddell> lovely
[13:00] <wgrant> And tomorrow I will look at preventing this situation from recurring.
[13:00] <Riddell> shadeslayer: still got time to do kde4libs?
[13:00] <wgrant> But until I fix this, no more redeleting deleted stuff pls.
[13:00] <shadeslayer> Riddell: yeah sure
[13:00] <shadeslayer> ill multitask ...
[13:00] <shadeslayer> i studied a bit in between ;)
[13:01] <Riddell> I'll get 4.5.90 ready for upload to natty
[13:01] <Riddell> although it's not clear if kdebindings will need a rebuild or not
[13:01] <Riddell> upstream aren't being very communicative
[13:01] <shadeslayer> i did wast 40 mins trying to figure out whats wrong at my end tho ^_^
[13:01] <shadeslayer> *waste
[13:02] <Riddell> shadeslayer: findings bugs is a frustrating thing to do but it's not a waste of time
[13:03] <shadeslayer> Riddell: no no ... i meant ... i thought the problem was at my end :P
[13:03] <shadeslayer> even tho i saw that apt could see the upnp package
[13:03] <shadeslayer> also ... do we have a package search shortcut for KDE via launchpad?
[13:04] <wgrant> When in doubt, blame me.
[13:04] <shadeslayer> like usource:  ... only instead of passing source packages, we just pass package names
[13:05] <shadeslayer> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+search?text=kde4libs 
[13:05] <shadeslayer> like that
[13:05] <yofel> wgrant: packages published, thanks
[13:05] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I don't think so
[13:06] <shadeslayer> wgrant: thanks!
[13:06] <wgrant> Indeed, all looks good.
[13:06]  * wgrant sleeps.
[13:06] <Riddell> thanks wgrant 
[13:06] <shadeslayer> Riddell: would be nice .. when you dont know the package name
[13:06] <Riddell> shadeslayer: go for it then :)
[13:07] <shadeslayer> yeah thats what im looking at ;)
[13:07] <shadeslayer> bah
[13:07] <shadeslayer> its there 
[13:07] <shadeslayer> upackage
[13:07] <ScottK> apachelogger or JontheEchidna: Is there a ~simple recipe for fixing "names the constructor, not the type" errors like http://people.ubuntuwire.org/~lucas/ubuntu-nbs/32/kdetv_0.8.9-1_lubuntu32.buildlog ?  There are 10 of them from lucas' rebuild test and if they're easy I could find a MOTU hopeful to work on it perhaps.
[13:08] <shadeslayer> well ... doesnt do exactly the thing i want it to do
[13:08] <shadeslayer> hmm
[13:08] <shadeslayer> whee ... kde4libs building
[13:09] <shadeslayer> http://paste.ubuntu.com/546912
[13:09] <shadeslayer> 0_i
[13:09] <shadeslayer> 0_o
[13:11] <yofel> try to backport polkit-qt, natty has 0.99.0-0ubuntu3, ppa 0.98.1~git20101107-0ubuntu1~maverick1~ppa1
[13:14] <shadeslayer> Riddell: apachelogger http://pastebin.com/d19V05Nh
[13:14] <shadeslayer> yofel: yeah ...
[13:15] <yofel> *sigh*, not being able to c&p in firefox is annoying -.-
[13:18] <yofel> oh great, trying to open launchpads openid login page crashes rekonq *-.-
[13:20] <yofel> konqueror >> rekonq
[13:21] <ScottK> yofel: Don't worry.  shadeslayer will claim it's fixed in git.
[13:22] <yofel> lol
[13:22] <shadeslayer> it is !
[13:22] <shadeslayer> yofel: backtrace please
[13:23] <apachelogger> ScottK: sure, just s/Control::Control/Control on the affected lines
[13:23] <apachelogger> mind that this also could break though ^^
[13:23]  * yofel wonders when that policykit 'remember authorization' checkbox is supposed to start working
[13:25] <yofel> shadeslayer: http://paste.ubuntu.com/546913/
[13:25] <apachelogger>             const Control::Control* c = static_cast<Control*>(*it);
[13:25] <apachelogger> brrr
[13:25] <apachelogger> that is super gross
[13:25] <apachelogger> also the name is super silly
[13:25] <shadeslayer> ScottK: see its a webkit crash :P
[13:25] <shadeslayer> nothing related to rekonq
[13:25] <shadeslayer> yofel: blame webkit
[13:26] <yofel> shadeslayer: fix rekonq by making it use khtml for launchpad :P
[13:26] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: dude what do you think of that new shortcut 
[13:26] <apachelogger> ScottK: yeah, for all occurances of that error you can just make the Control::Control a Control
[13:26] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: upkg?
[13:27] <shadeslayer> yofel: yeah ... for eg. you cant save comments in launchpad because KIO doesnt have a customrequest function whereas QNAM has one
[13:27] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: no.. lppkg
[13:27] <apachelogger> yeah
[13:27] <apachelogger> does that not do the same thing
[13:27] <shadeslayer> different use cases
[13:27] <shadeslayer> nope ... 
[13:27] <apachelogger> also the shortcut lppkg seems wrong
[13:27] <apachelogger> what is the use case? 
[13:28] <shadeslayer> well .. when you dont know the source name but know the binary name and need to go to its LP page
[13:28] <yofel> shadeslayer: and can you add some *sane* crash recovery to rekonq? Having it recover tabs after crash is great, but if one of those tabs is what crashes it that really doesn't help much (if you could give a selection dialog what tabs you want to recover that would be cool)
[13:28] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: packages.ubuntu.com does that
[13:28] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yeah ... but its one click too many
[13:28] <shadeslayer> yofel: kewl idea ...
[13:28] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[13:28] <ScottK> apachelogger: Thanks.
[13:28] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: the key is wrong though
[13:29] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: and you pinged?
[13:29] <apachelogger> should be starting with a u
[13:29] <shadeslayer> whai?
[13:29] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Right.  I forgot about that excuse.
[13:29] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: because lp* is of general usage scope to launchpad
[13:29] <shadeslayer> ScottK: hey .. the backtrace doesnt lie
[13:29] <apachelogger> if you add a lp shortcut that does in fact only address an ubuntu use case that would be namespace polution right there
[13:30]  * apachelogger doesnt remember what he pinged about though
[13:30] <shadeslayer> hmm
[13:30] <shadeslayer> seems your right .... what could be alternative name
[13:30] <shadeslayer> besides upkg
[13:31] <apachelogger> ubpkg
[13:31] <apachelogger> oh
[13:31] <apachelogger> no
[13:31] <apachelogger> actually the description is also misleading ;)
[13:31] <apachelogger> ulppkg
[13:31] <apachelogger> upkglp
[13:31] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: do upkg:kde4libs and then use my desktop shortcut and see the difference
[13:31] <apachelogger> something like that
[13:31] <shadeslayer> upkglp seems about right
[13:33] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: is the branch actually up yet?
[13:34] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: nope ... i was going to poke jelmer to change its name
[13:34] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: the name of what?
[13:34] <shadeslayer> wait wait
[13:34] <shadeslayer> the branch was renamed
[13:35] <apachelogger> well, since the project was renamed, the branch naturally must have been renamed too
[13:35] <shadeslayer> yep
[13:36] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: so you mean that the new changelog etc?
[13:36] <shadeslayer> ill fix0r that right now
[13:36] <apachelogger> yes
[13:40] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: want me to commit ulppkg?
[13:40] <shadeslayer> or upkglp
[13:41] <apachelogger> sure
[13:41] <apachelogger> and add it to the readme
[13:41] <apachelogger> and the package description... ;)
[13:41] <shadeslayer> sure
[13:48] <shadeslayer> kde4libs buiding
[13:51] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: kubuntu-web-shortcuts -> done with new shortcut
[13:53] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: transitional package?
[13:53] <shadeslayer> its in my PPA
[13:53] <shadeslayer> hold on
[13:53] <apachelogger> yeah
[13:53] <apachelogger> not in the branch
[13:53] <apachelogger> Depends: rekonq | konqueror, ${misc:Depends}
[13:53] <apachelogger> that is also still wrong
[13:53] <apachelogger> Description: Konqueror shortcuts for the Kubuntu wiki, Ubuntu Docs, Launchpad...
[13:54] <apachelogger> that probably also could do with some webification or something
[13:54] <shadeslayer> whats wrong with Depends? i forgot
[13:55] <shadeslayer> needs some more fixing ...
[13:55] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/experimental/+sourcepub/1381571/+listing-archive-extra
[13:55] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: it does nto depend rekonq nor konqueror
[13:55] <shadeslayer> ah ok
[13:56] <apachelogger> Name=Ubuntu Binary Packages
[13:56] <shadeslayer> yes ... 
[13:56] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you might want to add yourself to the copyrights file ;)
[13:56] <shadeslayer> so completely remove Depends?
[13:56] <apachelogger> no
[13:56] <apachelogger> it *needs* misc:Depends
[13:57] <shadeslayer> i meant ... remove rekonq and konqueror :P
[13:57] <apachelogger> and it needs some sort of relation with rekonq|konqueror
[13:57] <apachelogger> possible suggests
[13:57] <apachelogger> also it needs to recommend some other stuff
[13:57] <apachelogger> not sure what though
[13:57] <shadeslayer> Description : KDE Web shortcuts ....
[13:57] <apachelogger> probably just kdelibs-bin or whatever it might be called these days ^^
[13:58] <shadeslayer> since they apply to the whole of KDE
[13:59] <apachelogger> KDE is the community :P
[13:59] <shadeslayer> KDE SC
[13:59] <apachelogger> just 'web shortcuts' maybe?
[13:59] <shadeslayer> hmm
[13:59] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: it does not related to the SC either
[13:59] <rbelem> agateau, apachelogger, Riddell, ScottK, shadeslayer \o/
[13:59] <ScottK> rbelem: Congratulations.
[13:59] <apachelogger> if anything then it is 'web shortcuts for the kde platform'
[13:59] <rbelem> ksambashare got "ship it"
[13:59] <apachelogger> hoooray
[14:00] <rbelem> :-D
[14:00] <shadeslayer> whee
[14:00] <ScottK> I saw.
[14:00] <apachelogger> I shall now be able to distribute pr0n over the networx \o/
[14:00] <shadeslayer> rbelem: btw im concerned about how much ROM kubuntu mobile might take :P
[14:00] <rbelem> eheheheh :-D
[14:00] <shadeslayer> because the desire has only 576 MB of ROM
[14:00] <shadeslayer> rather 512 MB
[14:00] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: inorite
[14:01] <apachelogger> desire
[14:01]  * apachelogger giggles
[14:01] <rbelem> shadeslayer, let's try to get minimum. for now it is taking 1.9 gb afaik
[14:01] <shadeslayer> kaboom
[14:01]  * apachelogger notes that 576 is very doable
[14:01] <apachelogger> eh
[14:01] <apachelogger> 512
[14:01] <apachelogger> ^^
[14:01] <shadeslayer> 2GB -> 512 MB
[14:01] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: it contains all sorts of shit
[14:01] <apachelogger> cups?!?!?!
[14:01] <apachelogger> CUPS!!!
[14:02] <shadeslayer> really?
[14:02] <shadeslayer> 0_o
[14:02] <apachelogger> on a mobile oos
[14:02] <shadeslayer> so TODO : slim down kubuntu mobile
[14:02] <apachelogger> that is like distributing the satanists handbook along the system
[14:02] <shadeslayer> to run on more handsets
[14:02] <apachelogger> also it comes with games and whatnot
[14:02] <apachelogger> which actually makes sense
[14:02] <apachelogger> not the games fault that shadeslayer got a crappy phone :P
[14:03] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: hey! its better than your N900
[14:03] <Riddell> rbelem: well done :)
[14:03] <shadeslayer> Snapdragon >> what the n900 has 
[14:03] <Riddell> rbelem: it will only go in 4.7 upstream but we can patch it into 4.6 for our packages
[14:03] <shadeslayer> gets awfully hawt at times tho
[14:03] <apachelogger> oh wellz
[14:03] <apachelogger> yet plasma-mobile would lag on your system
[14:04] <apachelogger> so what good is your snapdragon?
[14:04] <apachelogger> other than accomodate java
[14:04] <apachelogger> which is probably the only reason it has such a powerful cpu to begin with
[14:04] <shadeslayer> eh whut ... why would it lag?
[14:04] <shadeslayer> http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_desire-3077.php 
[14:04] <apachelogger> because you would probably need 3ghz
[14:05] <shadeslayer> 512 ROM
[14:05] <shadeslayer> oh ... plasma-mobile is leaky ?
[14:05] <apachelogger> no
[14:05] <shadeslayer> and heavy?
[14:05] <apachelogger> your cpu is crap
[14:05]  * apachelogger once said that in a course
[14:05] <apachelogger> the prof went all crazy and shit
[14:06] <apachelogger> we eventually agreed that maybe crap is too strong a word and 'my gpu eats your cpu for breakfast' is a more plausable way of saying it ^^
[14:06] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://pastebin.com/RKfKtsHN
[14:07] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: that is not a good synopsis .... Description: Web Shortcuts for the KDE Platform
[14:07] <shadeslayer> that i can agree on
[14:07] <apachelogger> the one before was good
[14:07] <apachelogger> except for the konqueror part
[14:07]  * rbelem hugs Riddell o/
[14:09] <shadeslayer> also
[14:09] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: what do you think alt+enter in a url bar should do?
[14:10] <apachelogger> exit
[14:10] <shadeslayer> 0_o
[14:10] <shadeslayer> http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/rekonq/2010-December/002095.html
[14:10] <apachelogger> to what else could you alternate enter?
[14:11] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: Description: Web Shortcuts for the KDE Platform, Kubuntu wiki, Ubuntu Docs, Launchpad...
[14:11] <apachelogger> strip the kde platform!!!
[14:11] <apachelogger> also IIRC synopsis are all lower case
[14:11] <shadeslayer> ok
[14:11] <apachelogger> (except for names)
[14:11] <shadeslayer> Description: web shortcuts for Kubuntu wiki, Ubuntu Docs, Launchpad...
[14:11] <apachelogger> hm
[14:11] <apachelogger> maybe
[14:11] <apachelogger> 'Kubuntu, Ubuntu and Launchpad
[14:11] <apachelogger> '
[14:12] <apachelogger> makes more sense nowadays
[14:12] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: that alt+return thing is IMHO posing the wrong question
[14:12] <shadeslayer> drop the wiki, docs etc? ok
[14:13] <apachelogger> conditional to providing any such feature is that rekonq learns to support random search engines on-the-fly
[14:13] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: yeah
[14:13] <shadeslayer> Description: web shortcuts for Kubuntu, Ubuntu, Launchpad...
[14:13] <apachelogger> minus ...
[14:13] <apachelogger> valorie: pingy
[14:14] <shadeslayer> done
[14:14] <shadeslayer> added myself to authors, fixed depends, fixed suggested
[14:14] <shadeslayer> i think that about does it
[14:14] <apachelogger> transitional pkg
[14:14] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i sent you the link!
[14:15] <shadeslayer> https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/experimental/+sourcepub/1381571/+listing-archive-extra
[14:15] <apachelogger> so?
[14:15] <ScottK> valorie: pim is fixed.  you should be able to update now.
[14:15] <apachelogger> how does that help the debian/control?
[14:15] <shadeslayer> wait .. you mean split out transitional package from this new package?
[14:15] <shadeslayer> oh ok
[14:19]  * Riddell uploads 4.5.90 to natty
[14:22] <Riddell> shadeslayer: did you backport polkit?
[14:22] <shadeslayer> Riddell: yes
[14:23] <apachelogger> Nightrose: ping
[14:25] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/546927
[14:26] <shadeslayer> Riddell: infact kde4libs is almost built ...
[14:26] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: Depends: rekonq | konqueror, kubuntu-web-shortcuts, ${misc:Depends}
[14:26] <apachelogger> that is the wrong
[14:26] <apachelogger> Replaces: kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts
[14:26] <apachelogger> Conflicts: kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts
[14:26] <apachelogger> that is the wrong too
[14:26] <shadeslayer> but thats the old package?
[14:27] <shadeslayer> why?
[14:27] <shadeslayer> shouldnt the new package replace the old one?
[14:27] <apachelogger> also the description exceeds 80 chars
[14:27] <shadeslayer> and afaik ... thats what you told me to do last time :P
[14:27] <apachelogger> that is not very transitional...?
[14:27] <apachelogger> like not at all
[14:28] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://baraujo.net/blog/?p=17 << followed that as a example
[14:28] <shadeslayer> http://wiki.debian.org/Renaming_a_Package too
[14:28] <apachelogger>  clearly you did not, since the important parts are highlighted :P
[14:29] <apachelogger> and yet yours look different
[14:30] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: do i need provides kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts
[14:30] <shadeslayer> dont think so
[14:30] <shadeslayer> Depends: kubuntu-web-shortcuts, ${shlibs:Depends}, ${misc:Depends}  
[14:30] <shadeslayer> in kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts
[14:31] <apachelogger> you do not need the provides
[14:32] <apachelogger> also carefully thought through you also do not need the shlibs in the transitional package (since that will be empty anyway, as the package is supposed to be empty)
[14:33] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://pastebin.com/K1PyRGE8
[14:34] <shadeslayer> 80 chars ... now how do i fix that :P
[14:34] <apachelogger> Replaces: kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts
[14:34] <apachelogger> Conflicts: kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts
[14:34] <apachelogger> still wrong
[14:34] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: needs versioning?
[14:35] <apachelogger> very much so
[14:36] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://pastebin.com/sdHLPRKr
[14:37] <apachelogger> wrong
[14:37] <shadeslayer> 0_o
[14:37] <shadeslayer> needs << ?
[14:38] <shadeslayer> instead of <
[14:40] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ^^
[14:40] <shadeslayer> kde4libs almost done
[14:40] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-relationships.html
[14:41] <rgreening> oooh... looks interesting for inclusion... http://trichard-kde.blogspot.com/2010/12/introducing-dropbox-integration-for.html
[14:41]  * Quintasan notes GTK apps still look like crap when run using sudo
[14:41] <apachelogger> once you are done reading the make manual you might want to consider reading the debian policy :P
[14:41] <ScottK> rgreening: Already working on it.
[14:41] <rgreening> YAY!
[14:41] <rgreening> haha
[14:41] <Quintasan> + even native KDE apps look different, is there anything we can do about this?
[14:41] <ScottK> trichard was here yesterday.
[14:41] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: its _huge_
[14:41] <rgreening> COOL!
[14:41] <shadeslayer> debian policy manual i mean
[14:41] <rgreening> yes I shouted. cause its COOL!
[14:41] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: use kdesudo?
[14:41] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: so?
[14:41] <rgreening> :)
[14:42] <shadeslayer> *cringe*
[14:42] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: it is not like it is huge because they added loads of pictures of kittens :P
[14:42] <shadeslayer> :P
[14:42] <apachelogger> though I would have preferred it to have some of those
[14:42] <shadeslayer> anyhow .. i have to go and have dinner
[14:43] <apachelogger> Quintasan: one can remove sudo and port everything to polkit
[14:43] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: http://i.imgur.com/u1V8C.png
[14:45] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: install oxygen-gtk -> kdesudo systemsettings -> use oxygen-gtk -> kdesudo gparted
[14:45] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: http://i.imgur.com/VHWRw.png
[14:45] <Quintasan> problem? :3
[14:45] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://pastebin.com/3b0i05NG
[14:45] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: heh :P
[14:46] <apachelogger> this world needs partitionmanager
[14:46] <apachelogger> !info partitionmanager
[14:47] <Quintasan> oh
[14:47] <Quintasan> nice
[14:47] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: you didnt know about that?
[14:47] <shadeslayer> 0_o
[14:47] <shadeslayer> i thought you were using gparted because it offers more functionality 
[14:50] <apachelogger> gparted does not offer more functionality?
[14:50] <apachelogger> where did you get that idea?
[14:50] <shadeslayer> gparted offers more functionality
[14:50] <shadeslayer> thats what im saying
[14:50] <apachelogger> no
[14:50] <apachelogger> my fingers where lazy
[14:50] <shadeslayer> yes
[14:50] <apachelogger> gparted does not offer more functionality!?
[14:50] <apachelogger> there we go
[14:51] <apachelogger> now it makes all sense
[14:51] <shadeslayer> it offers more functionality than partitionmanager
[14:51] <shadeslayer> and ive seen partitionmanager screw up
[14:51] <shadeslayer> gparted -> more reliable
[14:51] <apachelogger> eh?
[14:52] <apachelogger> you know how you always keep saying weird things :P
[14:52] <shadeslayer> well i used partition manager in its early days and it did screw up
[14:52] <shadeslayer> dunno about now
[14:53] <apachelogger> oh well
[14:53] <apachelogger> that must have been before it reached 1.0 then
[14:53] <apachelogger> ^^
[14:53] <shadeslayer> used it in karmic .... i think
[14:53] <shadeslayer> !info partitionmanager karmic
[14:53] <apachelogger> (partintionmanager, unlike most other products, actually established the <1 no good paradigm ^^)
[14:54] <shadeslayer> the what?
[14:54] <apachelogger> the ILOVEYOU virus
[14:54] <shadeslayer> the WHAT virus? 0_o
[14:54]  * apachelogger looks for a bazooka to kill phonon.kde.org
[14:54]  * shadeslayer hands apachelogger a unicorn
[14:54] <Quintasan> ...
[14:55]  * apachelogger throws the unicorn at pko
[14:55] <apachelogger> that did not help at all
[14:55] <apachelogger> stupid unicorn -.-
[14:56] <shadeslayer> do we need usr/include/krecentdirs.h
[14:56] <Quintasan> apachelogger: You threw an invisible pink unicorn, how the hell do you expect this to show any result?
[14:56] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: yes
[14:57] <shadeslayer> hmm
[14:57] <apachelogger> Quintasan: well, I duno
[14:57] <apachelogger> am I obama?
[14:57] <shadeslayer> not installed in maverick
[14:57] <shadeslayer> kdelibs-dev?
[14:57] <apachelogger> nespresso
[14:57] <Quintasan> Blame everything on apachelogger.
[14:57] <Quintasan> Today is the Blame it on apachelogger Day
[14:57]  * apachelogger blames the bbc
[14:58] <apachelogger> so
[14:58] <apachelogger> I must say
[14:58] <apachelogger> this party is rather crappy
[14:58] <apachelogger> kubuntu has not got no party people nowhere
[14:58] <Quintasan> kubout died
[14:58] <Quintasan> And we have no storehouse with party hats.
[14:59] <Quintasan> kubotu*
[14:59] <shadeslayer> so i put that in kdelibs5-dev
[14:59] <apachelogger> I am going to use gnome if my sister does not stop screaming
[14:59] <apachelogger> erm
[14:59] <apachelogger> singing
[14:59] <Quintasan> ...
[14:59] <apachelogger> brrrrrrr
[14:59]  * apachelogger is going the mad
[14:59] <apachelogger> aahaahahaha
[14:59] <apachelogger> helpz!
[14:59] <Quintasan> apachelogger: I will personally sue you if you start using GNOME
[14:59] <apachelogger> halp me, I haz madlyness!!!!
[14:59] <Quintasan> You were mad from the start to begin with.
[15:00]  * shadeslayer puts a blue wizard hat on apachelogger
[15:00] <Quintasan> Embrace the feeling apachelogger.
[15:00]  * apachelogger munches glass
[15:00]  * shadeslayer gives apachelogger a pink mike 
[15:00]  * shadeslayer commands apachelogger to sing
[15:00]  * Quintasan goes out to get some tea.
[15:01] <apachelogger> JINGLE BELLS, FLIPPING JINGLE BELLS, FLIPPING ALL THE WAY
[15:01] <apachelogger> oh
[15:01] <apachelogger> hold on
[15:01] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: thy shall not command no nothing to the master
[15:01] <shadeslayer> Jingle Bells Quintasan smells ponies all the way
[15:02] <shadeslayer> hmm .. no usr/lib/kde4/kcm_ssl.so as well
[15:02] <apachelogger> frosty the snow pimp...
[15:02] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I haven't included that in packages, it's in the wrong place
[15:03] <shadeslayer> Riddell: oh kcm?
[15:03] <shadeslayer> what about krecentdirs.h?
[15:03] <Riddell> mm, dunno
[15:03] <shadeslayer> well .. i adjusted that into kdelibs5-dev
[15:03] <Riddell> ok
[15:03] <shadeslayer> kdelibs done then
[15:05] <shadeslayer> hmm .. now how do i upload :P
[15:05] <shadeslayer> copy back to local system and upload ... i guess
[15:06] <Riddell> shadeslayer: you can do remote debsigning
[15:06] <shadeslayer> whoa
[15:06] <shadeslayer> how 
[15:06] <Riddell> shadeslayer: dunno, but I know it's possible
[15:06] <shadeslayer> ah well
[15:06] <Riddell> shadeslayer: you could also kick me off the machine and upload your .gnupg directory
[15:06] <shadeslayer> heh :P
[15:07] <Riddell> I'm not using the machine so feel free to do that
[15:08] <apachelogger> well
[15:08] <apachelogger> and then comes photorec or whatever its name is
[15:08] <Riddell> what's that?
[15:08] <apachelogger> file recovery thing
[15:09] <Riddell> shadeslayer: -r [username@]remotehost
[15:09] <Riddell> man debsign knows all
[15:09] <shadeslayer> oic
[15:10] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: when you are done reading the make manual and the debian policy you might also want to read the debsign manual....
[15:10] <shadeslayer> ^_^
[15:10] <Riddell> agateau: seen http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/choqok-indicator?content=136533 ?
[15:11] <agateau> Riddell: content not found :/
[15:11] <Riddell> huh?
[15:12] <agateau> Riddell: that's what your link gives me
[15:12] <Riddell> yes, it's disappeared
[15:12] <apachelogger> one of them admins must have removed it...
[15:13] <Riddell> was this guy http://kde-apps.org/usermanager/search.php?username=johnnybravo
[15:13]  * apachelogger blames Nightrose
[15:13] <Riddell> Nightrose: any idea what happened to it?
[15:14] <agateau> Riddell: google cache ftw
[15:14] <agateau> Interestingly the preview is still there: http://kde-apps.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=136533&file1=136533-1.png&file2=&file3=&name=choqok-indicator&PHPSESSID=72bbbfad299a1fffa26b2d41fc95e7e9
[15:15] <Riddell> I sent him a message to ask what happened
[15:15] <shadeslayer> hmm weird
[15:16] <shadeslayer> http://paste.ubuntu.com/546937
[15:16] <Riddell> shadeslayer: try gpg --recv-key F2672094
[15:16] <shadeslayer> yeah thats what im doing :P
[15:17] <shadeslayer> ok kdelibs uploaded
[15:17] <shadeslayer> Riddell:  do i just logout? or sudo shutdown the machine?
[15:19] <Riddell> shadeslayer: what do you want to do?
[15:20] <Riddell> shadeslayer: where are the .debs for me to install?
[15:20] <shadeslayer> debs? what debs?
[15:21] <Riddell> of kdelibs
[15:21] <shadeslayer> i packaged kde4libs for maverick
[15:21] <Riddell> yes
[15:21] <shadeslayer> Riddell: /var/cache/pbuilder/result/*.deb
[15:45] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: I've not seen that FTBFS before
[15:46] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: We've got 10.  I assume it's gcc4.5 being 'better'.
[15:49] <Riddell> The following packages will be REMOVED: kubuntu-debug-installer libpolkit-qt-1-0 libpolkit-qt-1-dev libqapt-runtime qapt-batch
[15:49] <Riddell> hmm, the polkit update in maverick ninjas might cause issues
[15:51] <shadeslayer> and without that ... kde4libs wont build properly
[15:51] <JontheEchidna> polkit-qt-1 had it's .so version bumped
[15:51] <ScottK> You'll just have to rebuild those in the PPA.
[15:51] <shadeslayer> oh ok ...
[15:52] <JontheEchidna> with the possible exception of kubuntu-debug-installer
[15:52] <JontheEchidna> since it's only being removed because qapt is
[15:52] <shadeslayer> hmm
[15:52] <ScottK> apachelogger: Removing the redundant Control:: in kdetv then leads me to /tmp/buildd/kdetv-0.8.9/./kdetv/libkdetv/kdetvpluginbase.cpp:41:56: warning: type qualifiers ignored on function return type.
[15:52] <shadeslayer> Riddell: did you shutdown that AWS instance?
[15:53] <shadeslayer> because my screen is stuck when i try to logout
[15:53] <Riddell> shadeslayer: no but I shut you out since I wanted to upload private keys there
[15:53] <shadeslayer> right :)
[15:54] <shadeslayer> ScottK: so python transition is over?
[15:54] <shadeslayer> can i haz my upgrade now?
[15:54] <ScottK> shadeslayer: No, but the critical first part where 2.7 becomes the default is done.
[15:54] <shadeslayer> oh ok
[15:54] <ScottK> Shoudl be able to, just make sure you have the latest from maverick-updates first.
[15:56] <shadeslayer> will do
[15:57] <CIA-39> [muon] jmthomas * 1208877 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ApplicationLauncher.cpp String fix as requested by l10n team
[15:58] <ScottK> shadeslayer: If you'd been reading u-d-a as I believe I previously suggested, you'd know this (you can do this when you need a break from the make manual or debian-policy).
[15:59] <CIA-39> [muon] jmthomas * 1208893 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/libmuon/MuonStrings.cpp Improve context messages for requested state strings
[16:00] <Riddell> agateau: choqok-indicator guy says "I spoke to the choqok guys, and there\'s already support for the messaging menu in choqok git. So there was no need for a plugin."
[16:01] <Riddell> which is interesting
[16:01] <agateau> Riddell: nice!
[16:02] <ScottK> BTW, I fixed both MI and munbar yesterday so they will build again in Natty.
[16:03] <Riddell> got patches for agateau?
[16:06] <ScottK> Riddell: It was just missing build-dep.
[16:06] <apachelogger> ScottK: because it is spooky code
[16:06] <apachelogger> does it fail on a warning?
[16:06] <apachelogger> otherwie I would just ignore it
[16:06] <ScottK> apachelogger: Dunno.  I've moved on.
[16:06] <apachelogger> it is about some wacko constness
[16:06] <ScottK> agateau: They both need pkg-kde-tools in build-depends.
[16:06] <apachelogger> PluginDesc* const KdetvPluginBase::pluginDescription() const
[16:06] <ScottK> It was old KDE3 stuff anyway.
[16:07] <agateau> ScottK: that's Riddell side I think :)
[16:07]  * apachelogger wonders if that makes sense
[16:07] <ScottK> OK.  In any case it's fixed.
[16:08] <CIA-39> [muon] jmthomas * 1208895 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ApplicationWindow.cpp Remove redundant setWindowTitle. KApplication gives this to us automagically
[16:09] <rbelem> hey guys http://qt.gitorious.org/
[16:10] <yofel> lol
[16:10] <rbelem> crazy stuff...
[16:10] <JontheEchidna> wow
[16:10] <CIA-39> [muon] jmthomas * 1208896 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ (ApplicationWindow.cpp ApplicationWindow.h) Power inhibition is now done in MuonMainWindow, so get rid of the unused m_powerInhibitor variable
[16:11] <rbelem> someone did not pay the domain
[16:11] <apachelogger> does anyone have thoughts on why the function "PluginDesc* const KdetvPluginBase::pluginDescription() const" does not make sense?
[16:11] <rbelem> apachelogger, http://qt.gitorious.org/
[16:12] <jjesse> rbelem its the whole www.gitorious.org domain :0
[16:12] <apachelogger> rofl
[16:13] <rbelem> jjesse, :-D
[16:15] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: it's a const pointer to a PluginDesc, and the function itself is const in regards to the KdetvPluginBase class. Seems valid to me
[16:16] <apachelogger> no no
[16:16] <apachelogger> it is not a const pointer
[16:16] <JontheEchidna> pointer to a const PluginDesc?
[16:16] <apachelogger> the data ought to be const
[16:16] <apachelogger> ah
[16:16] <apachelogger> maybe
[16:16] <apachelogger> ...
[16:17] <apachelogger> the function returns _description which is a member
[16:17] <apachelogger> a PluginDesc* member to be precise
[16:19] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: general assumption, since the member is not a const PluginDesc in the class returning a pointer to it and claim that the data is const would be wrong
[16:19] <apachelogger> so the compiler discards the qualifier
[16:19]  * apachelogger thinks that would make sense
[16:19] <rbelem> for those who needs access gitorious.org, here is the ip address 87.238.52.168
[16:20] <JontheEchidna> yeah, that makes sense. It sounds like something gcc would have been more lenient about in older versions too
[16:20] <JontheEchidna> since it's sorta ok but not really
[16:20] <apachelogger> last time it appeared that in natty they have turned more of the pedantic switches on
[16:20] <apachelogger> something was FTBFSing because of missing return value
[16:21] <ScottK> It was kdetv in this case.
[16:22] <apachelogger> kdetv is srsly creepy code anyway
[16:22] <apachelogger> const Control::Control* c = static_cast<Control*>(*it);
[16:22] <apachelogger> if I were a compiler I would also crap out on this
[16:24] <apachelogger> Nightrose: in what wiki would you put something like http://phonon.kde.org/cms/1005
[16:24] <ScottK> That's the first one it died on.  The last one happened after I "fixed" that one.
[16:29] <CIA-39> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1208902 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/libqapt/src/package.cpp Ensure we don't make a deep copy due to const incorrectness
[16:31] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: am I crazy for not really liking this mockup at all? http://jontheechidna.wordpress.com/2010/12/21/muon-suite-1-1-beta-2/#comment-2125
[16:33] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: oh, random fact of the day: currently your website label seems misaligned with the rest of the stuff
[16:34] <JontheEchidna> hmm, you're right
[16:34] <JontheEchidna> It's probably that the stuff below it is in a QVBoxLayout that has borders
[16:34] <JontheEchidna> I can set those margins to 0
[16:35] <apachelogger> as for the mockup, I thinkthere is a benefit in having the screenshot next to name rather than next to the description
[16:35] <apachelogger> that is about everything good I can see
[16:36] <apachelogger> OTOH from a sequential POV having the edit buttons at the bottom also makes sense
[16:36] <JontheEchidna> not really, as the description can be long enough to cause it to be hidden
[16:36] <apachelogger> click on rekonq -> look at screenshot -> like -> continue reading a bit -> like -> not too fat -> like -> install
[16:36] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: then the description ought to be scrollable ;)
[16:37] <apachelogger> but I see your point
[16:37] <JontheEchidna> something about the mockup just doesn't feel right to me
[16:37] <apachelogger> yeah, it is missing a frame ;)
[16:38] <JontheEchidna> the stuff at the top looks all thrown together, and it'd be pretty hard to do from a layouting point of view
[16:38] <apachelogger> we concluded that a frame would help with visual appearance, and now that the mockup is missing one I would think that this is what you perceive as not right :)
[16:38] <JontheEchidna> muon-in
[16:38] <apachelogger> hm
[16:38] <JontheEchidna> lol, I tried to launch it from konversation
[16:38] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: never think of how hard something is :P
[16:39] <apachelogger> oh
[16:39] <apachelogger> come to hink of it
[16:39] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: can one launch an installed app from within muon?
[16:39] <apachelogger> that would be killer
[16:39] <apachelogger> like in kpackagekit
[16:39] <JontheEchidna> yes, it offers you right after you install it
[16:39] <apachelogger> (though one should be reminded that running kbuildsycoca4 before doing that is a good idea ;))
[16:39] <apachelogger> groovy
[16:40] <JontheEchidna> it makes a KService of the .desktop file itself, so that a still-building kbuildsycoca4 won't interfere
[16:40] <JontheEchidna> tbh I lifted most of that code off of KPK entirely :P
[16:41] <JontheEchidna> I can't seem to find a way to make the addons view smaller by default: http://i.imgur.com/jE9jo.png
[16:42] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: spacer
[16:42] <apachelogger> also sizepolicy to minimum I suppose
[16:43] <JontheEchidna> it already is
[16:43] <apachelogger> oddness
[16:44] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: and you have a spacer there?
[16:44] <JontheEchidna> at the very bottom of the widget
[16:44] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: im committing this control file http://pastebin.com/xu6M7LjT
[16:44] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: what sort of widget is this?
[16:44] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: QScrollArea
[16:45] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: the addons widget?
[16:45] <JontheEchidna> oh
[16:45] <JontheEchidna> I thought you meant the whole thing's parent
[16:45] <apachelogger> yeah, that is also handy to know ^^
[16:45] <JontheEchidna> probably a QTreeView
[16:45] <JontheEchidna> QListView
[16:46] <apachelogger> interesting
[16:46] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: apparently it does really not want too shrink
[16:47] <JontheEchidna> yup
[16:47] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: try replicating the thing in designer
[16:48] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: im done with kubuntu-web-shortcuts .... have a looksie
[16:52]  * JontheEchidna is concerned about the lack of attention given to bug 680328
[16:52] <apachelogger> you are telling us the 3rd time now :P
[16:52] <JontheEchidna> no, that is my MIR for QApt that I keep going on about :P
[16:53] <JontheEchidna> which still has had no action after 5 months I might add
[16:53] <apachelogger> no
[16:53] <apachelogger> you also mentioned that thing
[16:53] <apachelogger> I am pretty sure about it
[16:54] <JontheEchidna> I just think that a critical bug that breaks the default package managers for every variant of *buntu would at least warrant a comment from somebody other than me
[16:54] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: you could overload qlistview's sizeHint() and qdebug it
[16:55] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: I just noticed that
[16:55] <apachelogger> presumably it is hitting the wrong size to the layout system
[16:55] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: I though it might be a buggy post-inst script but it happened third time in a row.
[16:55] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Get Riddell to approve a spec that needs it and then you can make the MIR rationale "Required to implement spec foo."
[16:56] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: kees is already assigned to the bug and has been pinged twice in the last 5 months
[16:56] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: Do you want/need any help with debugging this?
[16:56] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Right.  This helps with priority.
[16:56] <ScottK> Then one of us can whine at the release team meeting that foo is blocked on ubuntu-mir and get it done.
[16:56] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: I'm tempted to just close it as fixed, since 5 months with no activity must mean no objections
[16:56]  * apachelogger always fears MIRs because of security reviews
[16:57] <ScottK> My way will work.
[16:57] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: more info would help I suppose
[16:58] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: there is still a recommends on kdelibs or something missing
[16:58] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: actuallly, I think that qaptbatch was part of a maverick spec
[16:58] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: kubuntu-web-shortcuts should dep on kdelibs?
[16:58] <shadeslayer> ok
[16:58] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: I'm not sure how to provide you more info :P
[16:58] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: not depend!
[16:58] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: well, you offered :P
[16:59] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: also it still exceeds 80chars
[16:59] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: I know it postinst scripts fail
[16:59] <Quintasan> However I'm not sure how do I debug this :P
[16:59] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: also I advise you to do a testbuild
[16:59] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yeah need to fix that.. cant do it now
[16:59] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: not all of them do, and it'd be good to find out a common thread between the ones that do
[16:59] <Quintasan> hmmmm
[16:59] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: libc usually fails here
[17:00] <JontheEchidna> python-gmenu too
[17:00] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Right, but we need that one re-aimed at Natty or anotherone.
[17:01] <JontheEchidna> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kubuntu-lucid-development
[17:02] <JontheEchidna> (was acutally part of a spec postponed from lucid)
[17:02] <ScottK> Maybe Riddell can work with that at the next release meeting.
[17:11] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: libc-bin failed
[17:11] <Quintasan> again.
[17:14] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: is there a way to get a list of apps that can open a URL based on the url?
[17:15] <shadeslayer> i could probably get the mimetype and use that, but .... idk how :P
[17:15] <shadeslayer> ( how to get the list of apps )
[17:16] <apachelogger> hm
[17:16] <apachelogger> kprotocolinfo?
[17:16] <apachelogger> kservice surely enables you to query that sort of shit
[17:17] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: in general you should probably query for mimetype and not for url
[17:17] <apachelogger> I mean
[17:17] <apachelogger> every app in KDE can open a kio slave
[17:17] <apachelogger> that does not mean that every app in KDE can display videos
[17:17] <shadeslayer> right .. what i meant was .. i can get a mimetype, but how do i use it to get a list of apps that can open that mimetype
[17:18] <apachelogger> kservice*
[17:18] <apachelogger> just look at the internals of kfiledialog or what the thing is called
[17:18] <apachelogger> the thing you use to ask openwith stuff
[17:19] <apachelogger> that must conduct probing internally or it could not know what applications to open
[17:32] <shadeslayer> hmm
[17:32] <shadeslayer> thanks ... now i have to go and study for a bit :P
[17:32] <shadeslayer> cya
[17:37] <CIA-39> [release-script-refactor] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20101223173742-3jbdptn509a1jj0e * (44 files in 2 dirs) remove everything - moved to https://projects.kde.org/projects/playground/sdk/releaseme
[18:14] <claydoh> JontheEchidna: lol its all *your* fault : http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3115030.0;topicseen
[18:14] <JontheEchidna> lol
[18:15] <apachelogger> ah
[18:15] <apachelogger> there we are again
[18:15] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna produces faulty software :P
[18:16] <apachelogger> I knew it all along
[18:16] <JontheEchidna> :P
[18:16] <apachelogger> nothing can be that fast and reliable at the same time
[18:17] <claydoh> you mean I have been using *fualty* *buggy*  softwarez all this time?
[18:17] <claydoh> oh noe
[18:17] <apachelogger> yes!
[18:17] <apachelogger> you should have used dpkg
[18:17] <apachelogger> all those apt thingies are made to fail
[18:18] <apachelogger> only a human being can resolve dependencies properly
[18:18] <JontheEchidna> reminds me of the people who show up in #ubuntu+1 complaining that apt-get dist-upgrade broke their entire intallz
[18:19] <apachelogger> see
[18:19] <claydoh> heh
[18:19] <claydoh> happens in the forum regularly as well, i even have a sticky post on it every 6 monts or so :)
[18:21] <claydoh> I find aptitiude to be a major confusion-causer in this area
[18:21] <claydoh> ooh the user in the posr is using lucid perhaps
[18:22] <claydoh> poster is using lucid rather
[18:53] <Mamarok> claydoh: sorry I didn't answer your mail yet, but I too have no idea how to handle Ray
[18:53] <Mamarok> he has not a clue, since the beginning
[18:56] <wulfric> Hello Okular reads .chm fine on SUSE but in ubuntu it complains of missing backends Is there a separate package for chm backends which I am missing??
[18:57] <wulfric> okular-extra-backends has tiff, djvu epub but no chm
[18:57] <Riddell> wulfric: no I'm afraid it just doesn't support it, the chm library failed its main inclusion review
[18:57] <ulysses> wulfric: http://okular.kde.org/faq.php#UsingUbuntuIcannotreadCHMandEPubdocumentsevenifIhaveokularextrabackendsandlibchminstalledWhy
[18:58] <Riddell> wulfric: we probably could create a separate package for universe but it's fiddly and so far I havn't known of anyone requesting it
[18:59] <wulfric> Riddell: Thanks Okular has annotation features for chm which others (xchm etc.) do not have
[18:59] <wulfric> Very useful if you have  lots of ebooks like me
[19:00] <wulfric> Currently I dual boot SUSE for this express reason
[19:01] <CIA-39> [muon] jmthomas * 1208949 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/libmuon/HistoryView/HistoryView.cpp Small optimization in HistoryView: Don't create a KIcon and grab a pixmap from it for each historyItem. Do it once and use this saved pixmap for all items.
[19:02] <wulfric> Riddell: Would be useful to have an optional universe package for this It is confusing for those who move to Ubuntu from other distros to have different feature sets in different distros fro same application
[19:02] <Riddell> wulfric: ok I filed bug 693892 to remind us to do it
[19:03] <wulfric> Riddell: Thanks will follow up on that Cheers
[19:21] <CIA-39> [muon] jmthomas * 1208954 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/libmuon/HistoryView/HistoryView.cpp KLocale::formatDate() is somewhat expensive, so make a cache of resulting date strings so that we can call formatDate less
[20:05] <CIA-39> [muon] jmthomas * 1208960 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/libmuon/HistoryView/ (HistoryView.cpp HistoryView.h) Hash the past-tense states and the past-tense state strings so that we don't have to construct a new localized string each iteration. This cuts the amount of l10n string construction in half for a nice speedup
[20:10] <shadeslayer> Riddell: happy birthday according to IST :D
[20:15] <ulysses> okay, let's party!
[20:22] <apachelogger> OMG OMGG OMG GOGM OGMGGO
[20:22] <apachelogger> PARTEEEEEE
[20:22] <apachelogger> https://projects.kde.org/projects/kdesupport/phonon
[20:30] <CIA-39> [muon] jmthomas * 1208969 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/libmuon/HistoryView/HistoryView.cpp (log message trimmed)
[20:30] <CIA-39> Turns out we can optimize icon usage in HistoryView even further.
[20:30] <CIA-39> QStandardItem::setIcon() takes a QIcon, so passing a QPixmap to that function
[20:36] <emonkey> apachelogger, you're phonon project manager?
[20:37] <apachelogger> for quite some time actually
[20:37] <emonkey> didn't know :-)
[20:42] <shadeslayer> wait .. i thought you were phonon lieutenant 
[20:49] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: projects.kde.org does not have such a title
[20:49] <apachelogger> also I am more like captain it would seem
[20:49] <shadeslayer> ah
[21:09] <shadeslayer> for some reason, vlc, rekonq and open office were eating 500 Megs of RAM
[21:09] <shadeslayer> with VLC taking up 70% of my CPU
[21:09] <shadeslayer> and heres the kicker ... i closed all of these apps 20 mins ago
[21:20] <shadeslayer> quassel leaks mem left right and center
[21:21] <shadeslayer> from a humble beginning of 25 MB's it goes upto 90 MB's
[21:21] <shadeslayer> Sput: ^^
[21:21] <shadeslayer> likewise for plasma
[21:21] <shadeslayer> 200 MB
[21:22] <shadeslayer> why dont you just eat my hardware :P]
[21:22] <shadeslayer> a bit premature ... but ... i can haz natty
[21:28] <apachelogger> this party sucks
[21:29] <Sput> shadeslayer: nah, it just never deletes old chatlines, so it naturally grows
[21:29] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: maybe your graphics stack is leaking?
[21:29] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: iDunno(tm)
[21:29] <apachelogger> we had that once :D
[21:29] <shadeslayer> Sput: can i limit it somehow?
[21:29] <apachelogger> was super fun
[21:29] <apachelogger> system dead after about 2 hours
[21:29] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: well ... im upgrading to natty
[21:29] <shadeslayer> lol
[21:29] <Sput> shadeslayer: currently only by reconnecting to the core, unfortunately... we still need to implement autoclean
[21:30] <shadeslayer> yeah
[21:30] <shadeslayer> thats what i did... it came down to 25 MB
[21:31] <apachelogger> ...konversation does not have such problems...
[21:33] <shadeslayer> .... and yet you use quassel yourself ....
[21:33] <shadeslayer> maybe you should have a quassel bashing session next UDS :P .... and invite Sput to watch
[21:33] <apachelogger> yes
[21:33] <apachelogger> anyone against it? say nay!
[21:33] <apachelogger> ah, all in favor, perfect
[21:34] <apachelogger> hen it is settled
[21:34] <shadeslayer> Sput: best of luck .... you'll need it :P
[21:37]  * apachelogger read that with an f and was a bit shocked
[22:09] <nigelb> Riddell: HAPPY BIRTHDAY \O/
[22:10] <markey> Riddell: happy birthday mate :DD
[22:10] <markey> apachelogger: that VLC file selector bug is still there
[22:10] <markey> quite major...
[22:10] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[22:10] <apachelogger> pulse too :P
[22:11] <apachelogger> also amarok cannot stream to icecast
[22:11] <apachelogger> there is actually a wish for phonon
[22:11] <apachelogger> to grow a libshout backend
[22:11] <apachelogger> and support multiple backends at once
[22:11] <apachelogger> not sure if I like that though
[22:11] <apachelogger> sounds more like something that ought to be done in PA
[22:18] <shadeslayer> !info kde-plasma-desktop natty
[22:18] <shadeslayer> hmmm weirdness
[22:18] <apachelogger> !find paprefs
[22:18] <shadeslayer> brb after restart
[22:18] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: doubt it
[22:18] <shadeslayer> upgrade to natty complete
[22:19] <apachelogger> surely it will break
[22:19] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: likewise
[22:19] <apachelogger> and you will be stuck with windows
[22:19] <apachelogger> muahhaahahahaha
[22:19] <apachelogger> ahahhhgahghag
[22:19] <apachelogger> you em el!
[22:19] <apachelogger> I luvz me a you em el
[22:19] <apachelogger> it is so beautiful and lovely and erotic and whatnot
[22:20]  * ScottK waves from high in the air (still find wifi on airplanes pretty mind boggling).
[22:20]  * yofel copies this awesome hammer he found on the web in firefox to natty and throws it at apachelogger
[22:20] <yofel> ...
[22:21] <yofel> forgot that I can't c&p from gtk apps in natty :'(
[22:21]  * apachelogger undresses and runs around in circles as to avoid the stupid hammer
[22:21] <yofel> why undress???
[22:21] <apachelogger> Gan not To the Kopy and paste
[22:21] <apachelogger> yofel: so I am nakkid
[22:21] <apachelogger> obviously
[22:23] <apachelogger> oh oh oh
[22:23] <apachelogger> it is a bug
[22:24] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: a) i have no windows
[22:24] <apachelogger> hahaha
[22:24] <shadeslayer> not on my laptop 
[22:24] <apachelogger> rofl
[22:24] <apachelogger> lmao
[22:24] <apachelogger> no windows
[22:24] <apachelogger> hahahaha
[22:24] <apachelogger> must be pretty dark
[22:24] <apachelogger> hahahahahaha
[22:24] <shadeslayer> b) it is broken ... touchpad not working
[22:24] <apachelogger> oh dear
[22:24]  * apachelogger needs therapy again
[22:24] <ScottK> Did whoever put stuff in the backports PPA rebuild pim/pim-runtime?
[22:25] <ScottK> They need a rebuild (and soname bumbs) against the new pimlibs.
[22:27] <apachelogger> very unlikely I would say
[22:28] <apachelogger> oh noes, I joined another german ubuntu channel and they are having a party there
[22:29] <ulysses> noooo partyyyyyyy:( however, exam passed
[22:30] <apachelogger> hoooray
[22:30] <apachelogger> parteeee
[22:30]  * apachelogger turns on the disco music tunes stuff
[22:33] <Riddell> nigelb: is it my birthday?
[22:33] <Riddell> ooh, IST birthday!
[22:37] <yofel> Riddell: happy birthday
[22:39] <Riddell> yofel: are you in a my-birthday time zone?
[22:40] <apachelogger> birthday 20 minutes away....
[22:40] <apachelogger> or 1:20
[22:40]  * apachelogger wonders what sort of weird timezone he has got
[22:40] <apachelogger> oh
[22:40] <apachelogger> local 
[22:40] <apachelogger> hahah
[22:41] <apachelogger> one would suppose that one does not find the local time zone weird ^^
[22:41] <yofel> Riddell: not yet, but I have a tendency to forget about such stuff if I don't do it right away..
[22:43] <apachelogger> that is why we have the topic
[22:43] <apachelogger> to not forget important things
[22:43] <apachelogger> like not being able to party
[22:44] <apachelogger> !!!!!!!!!!! http://apachelog.wordpress.com/2010/12/23/the-phonon-family-is-moving/
[22:44] <apachelogger> please proof read
[22:48] <shadeslayer> hmm
[22:48] <shadeslayer> so like
[22:48] <shadeslayer> touchpad is back up
[22:49] <shadeslayer> some of the stuff is still broken :/
[22:49] <shadeslayer> network manager to be precise
[22:50] <yofel> oh cool, display brightness control works again in rc1
[22:50] <shadeslayer> yofel: yeah ... but i have no notifications now 
[22:50] <shadeslayer> there used to be a notification
[22:50] <yofel> hm? knotify works fine here, and I do get that brightness popup
[22:50] <shadeslayer> no popup for me :/
[22:51] <yofel> erm, huh?
[22:51] <yofel> I get a popup when I *increase* brightness, but not when I decrease it..
[22:51] <shadeslayer> i dont have a popup in either of those cases :P
[22:53] <apachelogger> can you people please read the blog post! :P
[22:53] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: looks ok to me
[22:53] <apachelogger> ohkay
[22:54] <shadeslayer> i did read it .. forgot to say something :P
[22:55] <shadeslayer> any how
[22:55] <shadeslayer> im off to sleep
[22:55] <shadeslayer> cya
[22:57] <apachelogger> it is a nightslayer now :D
[22:58] <ari-tczew> lol, clipboard doesn't work on natty :/
[22:58] <ulysses> well, it's 2 minutes until midnight
[22:58] <ulysses> ari-tczew: Firefox?
[22:59] <ari-tczew> ulysses: all system. it worked some minutes after start system, now it doesn't work
[22:59] <ari-tczew> clipboard stil remember the same stuff
[23:00] <ulysses> ari-tczew: I see it only in Firefox, I can't copy anything from there, but others work
[23:00] <Riddell> ooh ooh is it my birthday yet?
[23:00] <apachelogger> no
[23:01] <apachelogger> 1h
[23:01] <ScottK> Riddell: Happy Birthday.  It's mine in 5 days.
[23:01] <crimsun> happy birthdays, then
[23:02] <Riddell> oh well, still an hour to go
[23:02] <yofel> ari-tczew, ulysses: here it's copy out from gtk apps that's broken, I can still paste stuff into gtk apps.
[23:03] <ulysses> Riddell: well, then happy almost-birthday
[23:03] <ari-tczew> wrrrrrrrrrr
[23:03] <yofel> Riddell: oh right, happy birthday now ;)
[23:04] <Riddell> anyone on maverick able to test 4.5.90?
[23:08] <apachelogger> in a bit
[23:19] <ari-tczew> yofel: is it known bug? reported?
[23:24] <ScottK> Riddell, apachelogger, etc... it doesn't look like kdenetwork got uploaded.
[23:24] <yofel> ari-tczew: no idea, I didn't get to reporting it yet myself at least
[23:24] <Riddell> ScottK: oh I couldn't get it to compile
[23:24] <Riddell> ScottK: something to do with the libktorrent issue again
[23:24] <ScottK> That would be a problem.
[23:24] <Riddell> so I left it for now
[23:24] <ScottK> I see.
[23:25] <ScottK> Might be worth asking the packager's list about then?
[23:25] <Riddell> yes
[23:25] <Riddell> I'm compiling kdepim for kubuntu-ppa/beta too
[23:37] <ScottK> Are you putting the RC in beta backports or backports?
[23:37] <ScottK> I mashed a bunch of retry buttons to we keep the Canonical data center warm.
[23:38] <yofel> ulysses: bug 693976
[23:38] <apachelogger> that is very important at this time of yeear
[23:39] <apachelogger> we do not want to have them become blocks of ice
[23:39] <Riddell> ScottK: in beta
[23:40] <ScottK> OK.
[23:40] <ScottK> apachelogger: Particularly in London this wee.
[23:40] <apachelogger> yeah
[23:41] <ScottK> wee/week.
[23:43] <ari-tczew> yofel: how can I use klipper?
[23:43] <yofel> ari-tczew: should be running by default, the scissors in the systray
[23:45] <ari-tczew> yofel: wrrrrrrrrrrr, I clicked 'show barcode' and now there are not scissors
[23:45] <ari-tczew> I want to erase Ubuntu from my hard disk
[23:46] <ari-tczew> what a mess
[23:46] <ari-tczew> okay I runned klipper from console
[23:59] <Riddell> ooh ooh
[23:59] <Riddell> what day is it?
[23:59] <crimsun> not your birthday yet.