[00:24] <dolla> Anyone know where i can get a free mask for my IP
[00:25] <dolla> !mask
[00:26] <dolla> !free mask
[00:27] <dolla> !games
[01:00] <joseph_> testt
[03:09] <iec> im having a problem with my resolution and dual monitor settings not saving so to speak. when i log off or reboot the resolution is reset back to default and my secondary monitor is a clone of the first instead of being an extended desktop
[03:09] <iec> can anyone assist me in fixing this?
[03:09] <iec> i ran accross this thread but im not sure how to make this work with dual monitors. the solution only seems to be for single monitor setups http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=20494
[03:11] <Macer> wow
[03:12] <Macer> is rekonq based on chromium?
[03:12] <Macer> it is actually.... good :)
[03:12] <Macer> no offense to konqueror.. but konqueror was very lacking
[03:12] <Macer> rekonq is awesome
[03:13] <Macer> i was about to install chrome if i could but decided to try it out and it is great
[03:13] <iec> konq is good in some other ways
[03:13] <iec> the fish protocol for example
[03:15] <Macer> usability though i always ran into rendering problems with konq
[03:15] <Macer> rekonq reminds me of chrome. they must have based it on chrome
[03:16] <Macer> it is awesome :) all i need now is a scanner that works in kubuntu and a way to scan pdfs and i won't look back at windows for the office stuff
[03:17] <Macer> although i am pretty sure there is a bug for this.. but setting up a printer required root... using systemsettings with sudo in order to set it up
[03:17] <Macer> took me a minute to figure out what was wrong but yeah. you have to run the printer settings module as root to add a printer
[03:18] <Macer> but i am pretty much done with the box. i have video issues with my nv240 but might try it again now that i am running the closed nvidia drivers
[03:18] <Macer> i am running off the old onbord geforce 6xxx now
[03:19] <iec> im running an old ati and want my settings to stay when i log off
[03:19] <iec> but nobody will respond to me
[03:19] <iec> sigh
[03:20] <frogonwheels> iec: run krandrtray
[03:21] <iec> done
[03:21] <iec> nothing happened?
[03:21] <iec> there we go
[03:21] <Macer> go buy a cheap nvidia ;) heh
[03:21] <iec> its opening
[03:21] <frogonwheels> iec: set it up in krandrtray (your settings)  and then try restarting..
[03:22] <iec> what is the difference between krandrtray and "size and orientation" in system settings?
[03:23] <Macer> i am going to test kubuntu out a bit more then order a fujitsu scanner that was lised on the sane webite
[03:23] <iec> krandrtray isnt opening
[03:23] <iec> wtf
[03:23] <Macer> listed... then no more windows. i can do all my office work in linux
[03:23] <frogonwheels> iec: krandrtray _should_  start again when you login and re-aply your randr settings.
[03:23] <Riddell> iec: both rekonq and chromium use webkit (and webkit is based on konqueror's khtml)
[03:23] <Macer> i just spent the better part of a day swapping over to cifs from samba on my openindiana box
[03:24] <Macer> it was about to make my hair fall out :)
[03:24] <iec> frogonwheels: so log back in and run krandrtray again?
[03:24] <Macer> Riddell: but the interface itself looks like chrome
[03:24] <frogonwheels> iec: well hopefully when you logout it will save the krandrtray inthe session so you won't have to.
[03:24] <Macer> as though it is chrome with a kde border ;)
[03:25] <iec> alright, ill give it a shot
[03:25] <frogonwheels> iec: the other option is to make yourself an xrandr script  (using say arandr)  and then call it when you login
[03:26] <iec> frogonwheels: i wouldnt think i would need to go that far. i guess ill find out
[03:26] <Macer> well. going to head home and see about getting my kubuntu box perfected heh
[03:26] <frogonwheels> Macer: I'm considering going back to ati.  The 100%cpu bug in nvidia is killin' my system
[06:37] <mcurran> Is there any way to change the working directory of the custom application button in kde3 panel?
[06:49] <mcurran> nevermind, I found a way... bash script with exec after cd'ing into directory
[07:06] <jordan> i have a question
[07:42] <valorie> !ask | jordan
[07:42] <jordan> k
[07:45] <provolik> Hi to everyone
[07:45] <provolik> I have Kubuntu 10.04, and I have an audio problem, probably due to skype
[07:46] <valorie> heh, skyped killed my sound the other day also
[07:46] <provolik> At the moment I do not hear nothing and Amarok says to me that my audio card is not working
[07:46] <valorie> do you have pulseaudio installed?
[07:46] <provolik> How did you solve it valorie ?
[07:47] <Macer> you uninstall skype and get a cell phone that supports it or those standalone house phones ;)
[07:47] <valorie> restarted, used pavucontrol and alsamixer
[07:47] <provolik> yes, I installed it just yesterday, maybe the problem is connected to it
[07:47] <valorie> but skype now will no longer work
[07:47] <valorie> frankly, I'd rather have amarok and youtube than skype
[07:47] <provolik> yes, same problem
[07:48] <valorie> you won't need pavucontrol if you don't have pulseaudio
[07:48] <provolik> I have pulseaudio now
[07:48] <valorie> ok, well pavucontrol gives you more detailed control of bit through it than Kmix does
[07:49] <Macer> i am murdering my fileserver right now
[07:49] <valorie> but I checked alsmixer too, just in case
[07:49] <valorie> that's in the console
[07:49] <Macer> doing like 10 movies in the background because i had to make a new zfs :)
[07:49] <Macer> moves
[07:49] <provolik> okay, do you think I have to unisntall pulseaudio and pavucontrol?
[07:50] <Macer> poor thing is generating the heat of a small city with all the hard drives going full speed
[07:51] <provolik> valorie, I installed pulseaudio because in kubuntu 10.04 the skype audio receiver does not work well
[07:56] <provolik> ok now audio restarts
[07:56] <valorie> that's sorta funny -- skype worked for me in 10.04, but does not longer
[07:56] <valorie> probably different sound cards, or something
[07:57] <provolik> However after about 6 months I can say I am disappointed about kubuntu 10.04
[07:58] <valorie> I like 10.10 much better
[07:58] <valorie> it's been great
[07:58] <provolik> Maybe it's better
[07:58] <valorie> except for skype
[07:58] <valorie> which isn't important to me
[07:58] <provolik> however I thought 10.04 was better than 9.10
[07:58] <provolik> but now I don't think so
[07:59] <provolik> I have to say that in 9.10 I had KDE3
[07:59] <valorie> uh
[07:59] <provolik> KDE4 is very good, but I think it has already a lots of bugs
[07:59] <valorie> well, I think they've gotten steadily better
[07:59] <valorie> it did, but again, getting much better
[08:00] <provolik> At the moment I have another PC, a netbook, with xubuntu 9.10 and it works perfectly
[08:00] <valorie> make a  liveUSB for 10.10 and try it
[08:00] <valorie> you might like it
[08:00] <provolik> I don't think that a one day try is a good try
[08:01] <valorie> hey, everyone should have tools that they enjoy using
[08:01] <valorie> I don't like gnome, but have no problem with people who do
[08:01] <provolik> Maybe I will install 10.10 in another machine and try it during christmas holyday
[08:01] <valorie> it's a desktop, not a religion
[08:01] <provolik> I like KDE more than gnome
[08:02] <provolik> I have more information about what I need
[08:02] <provolik> but gnome works better :-\
[08:02] <provolik> However I want to stay in KDE if I can
[08:02]  * konvilogger notes that one can do something about the working part... ;)
[08:03] <provolik> we can ever do something
[08:03] <provolik> but we should not
[08:03] <provolik> if you understand
[08:07] <apachelogger> provolik: but if we do nothing, how would anything ever change?
[08:12] <provolik> apachelogger, I don't say that we have not to do anything
[08:13] <provolik> I said that that cannot be the only solution
[08:13] <provolik> I need a working system, not a system that needs me to work
[08:15] <apachelogger> provolik: that is not what was meant ;)
[08:16] <provolik> yes apachelogger , you said a philosphical intention and I agree with it in general
[08:17] <provolik> but this is a more pratical problem
[08:18] <provolik> I know that many linux users answer to n00b problems with "read documentation" or "try to do yourself"
[08:18] <provolik> but these are not solutions
[08:18] <simion314> is it possible to setup a static IP with knetwork manager?
[08:18] <apachelogger> provolik: I was refering to writing a bug report
[08:19] <provolik> simion314, I tried many times to do that, after I understand that is not possible (for me) I installed WICD
[08:19] <apachelogger> work arounds are good for those who have time to apply them, but if you find yourself standing at a wall unable to continue using the product and report a bug at that point it will be time worth spent as it will very likely be changed
[08:20] <valorie> works even better when you file a good bug report and then go bother those who can fix it
[08:20] <apachelogger> and the next time you dare trying the product you might find that it is as flawless as one might expect and really only this one problem was of crucial nature
[08:20] <valorie> :-)
[08:20] <simion314> provolik: i used the /etc/networck/interfaces untill now , i always removed network manager but I was thinking that i should try it
[08:20] <apachelogger> (note that I say the product because this not only applies to Kubuntu)
[08:20] <valorie> happened just last night for me!
[08:20] <simion314> but if is broken is better to do it the basic way
[08:20] <valorie> network manager widget in 10.10 works well
[08:20] <provolik> apachelogger, this is another point of view but often people simply does not have time to compile it or does not know how to do. However before your point was not so clear in my opinion
[08:20] <valorie> better than wicd
[08:21] <provolik> apachelogger, I used ubuntu for years and I use it now
[08:22] <apachelogger> provolik: creating a good bug report requires an overall time investment of 10 minutes
[08:22] <provolik> from 9.10 to 10.04 I notice some steps back
[08:22] <apachelogger> say you do not know what to report, so you report something
[08:22] <apachelogger> that will take approx 2 minutes
[08:23] <simion314> valorie: ok, i will try it, the interface is just unintuitive
[08:23] <apachelogger> a nice person will ask you for more detailed information which usually is to be obtained using 1 or 2 commandline programs (that is another minute)
[08:23] <provolik> okay apachelogger I understand you don't want debate my point, so I debate yours ok?
[08:23] <apachelogger> that usually is repeated a couple of times
[08:23] <valorie> simion314: the widget?
[08:23] <apachelogger> and in the end you will just have to spend time reading mails about how the issue is being fixed ;)
[08:23] <provolik> I used to go to ubuntu forums to solve my problems
[08:24] <provolik> actually I find a solution or workarounds quite for all
[08:24] <provolik> I don't say I neve use bug report
[08:25] <provolik> I said that IN GENERAL people does not have time to do that or simply they does not know how to do
[08:25] <simion314> valorie: the one in the panel, i can understend how to configure a sttic IP, i will look around more, hope that it works, i mean that the backend network manager works with static ip
[08:25] <provolik> I think your are glad about this discussion on your field right?
[08:25] <provolik> okay people
[08:25] <provolik> see you soon
[08:25] <provolik> bye
[08:26] <valorie> wow, not sure why he wanted to fight
[08:28] <apachelogger> Because someone gave useless help it would appear, all the more reason to remind ourself that a simple "read the documentation" will not help most people.
[08:29] <valorie> for sure
[08:29] <valorie> sometimes sympathy is all people need, or just company as they work through the problem
[08:30] <valorie> rtfm is always suboptimal
[08:30] <valorie> even without attitude
[08:50] <suraj> Hi all, I just Installed KDE in Laptop but couldn't enable desktop effetcs? what should I do now?
[08:50] <suraj> I am using ubuntu 10.10...
[08:52] <valorie> couldn't ?
[08:52] <valorie> what did you try?
[08:53] <valorie> did you enable some effects in system settings?
[08:56] <suraj> valorie: no I didn't.. I was using gnome first... then I tried to install kde with thi command "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop"
[08:57] <suraj> valorie: but when I was enabling desktop effects, it says "Desktop effects are not available on this system"
[08:59] <valorie> hmmm
[08:59] <valorie> I do know that your system is monitored for enough ooomph to run them correctly
[09:00] <valorie> because when I'm doing a number of things, like now: running IRC, Amarok, playing music, ripping a CD, and editing a wiki
[09:00] <valorie> they effects shut down automatically
[09:00] <valorie> and i'm fine with that
[09:00] <valorie> lol
[09:00] <suraj> but effects were working in gnome:(
[09:02] <valorie> ok
[09:03] <valorie> hard to say -- I didn't try effects in gnome, so I don't know if they worked for me or not
[09:06] <suraj> the effects were woking last time in kubuntu-10.10, but for some reason I had to reinstall my computer I tried ubuntu-10.10 and then installing kde but it didn't work for me... is there any package or library which I have to install to enable effects?
[09:09] <valorie> no, they are built in
[09:10] <valorie> while many people have good luck with installing ubuntu and adding kubuntu-desktop, I've had much better luck with just installing kubuntu
[09:10] <valorie> your mileage may vary
[09:11] <suraj> I don't get it....:(
[09:12] <valorie> oh sorry
[09:12] <valorie> I forget not everyone sees our stupid US advertisements
[09:13] <valorie> it means -- worked for me, but no guarantees that it will work the same way for you, on your equipment
[09:15] <suraj> oh....
[09:15] <suraj> ok let me try what I can do to enable.
[09:21] <rork> suraj: did you install graphics drivers?
[09:22] <suraj> rork:  do I need to install graphics driver? effects were working on gnome? and How to install graphics driver in KDE
[09:26] <rork> suraj: I could only enable the desktop effects after installing one, you can install them with "Hardware drivers" in kickoff.
[09:28] <suraj> rork: I tried, he says "This driver is activated but currently in use" ATI/AMD proprietary FGLRX graphics driver....
[09:30] <rork> suraj: that should be ok then, hold on, I'll have to look into it but I'm busy for another 15 minutes, someone else might also pick it up.
[09:30] <suraj> rork: it's okay... I can wait
[09:48] <rork> suraj: I've been looking around a bit, first hit came up with some tests: http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=84820 so some questions related to that: 1) what's the result of `glxinfo | grep -i direct` (checks your graphics driver, should be yes), 2) can you try disbling "Desktop functionality checks" (System Settings > Desktop > Desktop Effects > Advanced (probably I)
[09:48] <rork> 'm on 10.04
[09:49] <suraj> I am using 10.10 .. but it should work now.. let me try:)
[10:02] <suraj> rork: there was no output of the command "glxinfo | grep -i direct"
[10:05] <rork> suraj: what's the output of `glxinfo` (if it's more then one line you can post it on http://paste.ubuntu.com)
[10:07] <suraj> rork: name of display: :0.0
[10:07] <suraj> Segmentation fault: :0.0
[10:07] <suraj> rork: this is the output of the command....
[10:08] <rork> suraj: that's not good, there is a problem with your graphics drivers, which graphics card do you have?
[10:10] <suraj> rork: VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc M880G [Mobility Radeon HD 4200]
[10:19] <Guest14403> I have 2 monitors on nvidia.  Suddenly part of my topscreen is covered by what seems to be a second desktop, with cashew and different wallpaper and panel that posp up on topside of bottom monitor.  I don't get it; anyone have an idea what could be wrong ?
[10:21] <well_laid_lawn> sounds like a abd driver or X got corrupted somehow - try a logout/login to see if it fixes it
[10:21] <well_laid_lawn> s/abd/bad/
[10:21] <Guest14403> well_laid_lawn: doesn't help, stays there over sessions
[10:22] <well_laid_lawn> I'd go for the bad driver theory then
[10:23] <well_laid_lawn> are you using the proprietry driver?
[10:23] <Guest14403> well_laid_lawn: have not chaned driver...  Am running on one kernel back though, because nvidia-prprietry won't run on newest kernel;
[10:23] <Guest14403> changed I mean
[10:24] <well_laid_lawn> you can check .xsession-errors for clues but I don't think it would show in there
[10:24] <Guest14403> well_laid_lawn: starnge thing is, original desktop is under the new one; top mon has higher res then bottom, the new top has same res as bottom
[10:25] <Guest14403> where do I find .xsessionetc ?   /etc/something ?
[10:25] <well_laid_lawn>  .xsession-errors is a hidden file in your home dir
[10:26] <Guest14403> could it have something o do with open-desktop ?  I subscribed some time ago, ever since I get asked for username and passw after login
[10:26] <Guest14403> I'll check
[10:26] <well_laid_lawn> I've never heard of that
[10:28] <Guest14403> what sorta message would I be looking for in the errorsfile ?
[10:28] <well_laid_lawn> I've no idea
[10:29] <well_laid_lawn> it does sound like a driver issue to me
[10:29] <Guest14403> oh dear..
[10:29] <Guest14403> so what would you suggest to find out or solve ?\
[10:29] <well_laid_lawn> I would uninstall the driver and go back one version
[10:30] <Guest14403> that does make some sorta sense...
[10:30] <Guest14403> maybe I'll try in a while, in the meantime, anyone else have a clue ?
[10:30] <well_laid_lawn> does nvidia make a log?
[10:31] <Guest14403> hmm... don't know, think so, 'll look in folder, or better I'll try manipulating nvidia-settings some, see what happens...
[10:31] <rork> suraj: I was looking for that glx problem but can't find anything atm, sorry
[10:32] <suraj> rork: oh....:-( it's okay... thanks
[10:33] <rork> suraj: I'd suggest to keep looking into it, there are people with more knowledge about graphics drivers problems :).
[10:34] <suraj> rork: okay.. I am searching on internet, maybe I find something.
[10:35] <Guest14403> well_laid_lawn: strange happeningz...   gonna change driver now, but I'm not really convinced it has to do with driver, looks much more like a  plasma issue...  mixup between two screen twinview and two screen separate-x session or something like that...
[10:35] <well_laid_lawn> ok
[10:37] <Guest14403> now the second desktop popped up on the bottom mon, still got my old panel there as well though... very strange...
[10:39] <Guest14403> now here's the weirdest thing... on a different desk-pageall of a sudden the bouncing ball appeared, and it WORKS !   never did that, however many times I installed it... I think I'm going cuckooo !
[10:41] <Guest14403> could it be someone adressed the desktop-folder issue on KDE recently, and it's acting up somehow ?  I got actual icons on that second desktop, the way we never had before on KDE 4 (you konow, the desktop-folder-plasmid.. ?)
[10:43] <well_laid_lawn> L couldn't say
[10:45] <Guest14403> well_laid_lawn: gonna reboot now, see what gives...
[10:46] <well_laid_lawn> luck
[11:08] <suraj> rork: I have updated my kernel, now the output of "glxinfo | grep -a direct" is  "direct rendering :  Yes"
[11:09] <rork> suraj: ok, still no luck at desktop effects?
[11:09] <suraj> rork: but still couldn't enable desktop effects.....
[11:11] <suraj> when I try to enable it say "Desktop effects are not available on this system due to the following technical issues:
[11:28] <ct529> hi there! I have some problems with xorg + kwin .... they consume 80% of the CPU some time, and always a very good chunk of it ....
[11:28] <rork> suraj: I can't seem to find the problem, you could try to go to set some config files to their default as is suggested in various forum topics (~/.kde/share/config/kwinrc, /etc/X11/Xorg.conf if it's available and ~/.dmrc are suggested) by (re)moving them.
[11:28] <ct529> kde 453 on kubuntu 64 bit 1004 lts
[11:28] <rork> suraj: also, keep asking ;)
[11:29] <suraj> rork: thank you, I am keep trying to fix this...:)
[11:29] <ct529> I have tried by installing the very last NVIDIA driver but no big improvments
[11:40] <suraj> rork: I was trying to remove fglrx but it gives me an error " Error! Bad return status for module build on kernel: 2.6.35-24-generic-pae (i686)"
[11:41] <suraj> Errors were encountered while processing:
[11:41] <suraj>  fglrx
[11:41] <suraj>  fglrx-amdcccle
[11:41] <suraj> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[11:41] <FloodBotK1> suraj: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[12:03] <ct529> well_laid_lawn: ping! Sorry but I only got your message late yesterday ....
[12:04] <well_laid_lawn> yep ?
[12:04] <ct529> I have some problems with xorg + kwin .... they consume 80% of the CPU some time, and always a very good chunk of it ....
[12:05] <ct529> well_laid_lawn: and you sent me an answer yesterday evening but I had already left
[12:05] <ct529> well_laid_lawn: I am working on kde 453 on kubuntu 1004 lts 64 bit with  NVIDIA quadro 1600 M
[12:06] <well_laid_lawn> sometimes going back to an earlier nvidia driver version can fix that
[12:06] <ct529> well_laid_lawn: I have even installed the very latest driver but not solution
[12:06] <ct529> well_laid_lawn: I uppgraded because I ha dproblems
[12:06] <well_laid_lawn> you could try going back a two or three version numbers
[12:07] <well_laid_lawn> seems the issue is some drivers report that they do things that they don't really do so kwin struggles
[12:09] <ct529> well_laid_lawn: the problem is that previous drivers do not support the new CUDA
[12:10] <ct529> well_laid_lawn: there is this post on opensuse that seems related http://forums.opensuse.org/english/get-help-here/applications/444251-kwin-xorg-sporadically-consuming-cpu.html
[12:13] <well_laid_lawn> ct529: did you see what post 8 said there?
[12:15] <ct529> well_laid_lawn: yes, I have the same problem with other versions
[12:15] <ct529> well_laid_lawn: I think it may have to do with this: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=234463
[12:16] <well_laid_lawn> I can't make any other suggestion except try the older drivers - you are working with closed source drivers
[12:17] <ct529> well_laid_lawn: yes, I very much dislike working with closed source drivers, but the open source do not support CUDA
[12:19] <well_laid_lawn> well your only option as I see it is to keep going back driver versions 'till you find one that works
[12:19] <ct529> well_laid_lawn: or compositing .... do you know whether I can have both drivers installed and swicth between them at leisure, with a simple script?
[12:19] <well_laid_lawn> I wouldn't know about that - maybe something with modprobe
[12:19] <ct529> well_laid_lawn: that is what I thought
[12:20] <well_laid_lawn> afaik you have to reboot to change nvidia driver
[12:21] <ct529> well_laid_lawn: mmmm .... it seems there is no solution
[12:23] <well_laid_lawn> there's always solutions - don't use nvidia, change window managers. accept less from the graphics etc
[12:30] <ct529> well_laid_lawn: How am I supposed to not use NVIDIA? It is what they give me at work. And I need CUDA for work. I cannot "accept less", because there is no "less" alternative.
[12:31] <well_laid_lawn> it's not like I'm going to write a driver for you...
[12:31] <well_laid_lawn> see if gnome works better with the driver then
[12:32] <ralsina> ct529:you missed "change window managers"
[12:32] <ralsina> try openbox --replace or compiz --replace or change it on system settings
[12:32] <ct529> ralsina: did not miss it
[12:36] <ct529> ralsina: I do not have openbox --replace on my box
[12:36] <ralsina> install it?
[12:37] <ralsina> sudo aptitude install openbox
[12:37] <ct529> ralsina: yes, thanks
[12:38] <ct529> ralsina: I was wondering whether flwn or fwm or ratpoison would be faster, that is all
[12:39] <ralsina> the window manager has a minimal influence on system performance on modern linux systems. Except when compositing breaks, of course
[12:40] <ct529> ralsina: I know litle about compositing .... why do you connect it to compositing?
[12:41] <ralsina> ct529: that's why kde works slow on some graphic boards and/or drivers, usually.
[12:41] <ralsina> or, more properly, kwin works slowly
[12:42]  * ct529 rebooting
[12:49] <ct529> yes, openbox seem to use much less fuel
[12:49] <ct529> but no compositing whatsoever
[12:51] <well_laid_lawn> you can use xcompmgr or cairo-compmgr with openbox
[12:52] <well_laid_lawn> cairo-compmgr would be the better of the two
[12:52] <ct529> well_laid_lawn: thanks. I am using kde/openbox
[12:55] <well_laid_lawn> openbox replaces kwin which is where the composition in kde comes from
[12:55] <well_laid_lawn> so no kwin means no compositing unless you use something else
[12:56] <well_laid_lawn> which is why I offered the alternatives...
[12:59] <ralsina> Or, as I mentioned, instead of openbox, you could use compiz
[13:00] <ct529> ralsina: well, compiz seems to be seriously effecting performance as well ....
[13:00] <ct529> well_laid_lawn: xompmngr, do I have to switch to xrender?
[13:00] <ralsina> ct529: if that's the case you are seriously in problems if you want compositing on Linux on that computer with that driver.
[13:02] <well_laid_lawn> +1 on that
[13:02] <ct529> ralsina: I will definitively try compiz, but it seems openbox is doing the trick .... I tried running xcompmng manually and it did restore some "nice ness" to the monitor .... so as long as I can start it "at source" I should be fine
[13:02] <ralsina> ct529: cool :-)
[13:02] <ct529> ralsina: but I am going to test compiz as well, to see whether the bug is kwin or it does affect both comp manager
[13:03] <ralsina> ct529: it's not even a bug really. It's just requiring stuff the driver supports badly :-(
[13:05] <ct529> ralsina: well, reading the list of complaints and bugs filed all over the internet it really sounds like a bug .... it is actually filed like a bug on kde
[13:05] <ct529> ralsina: (not by me)
[13:05] <ralsina> ct529: well, reality tends to be more complicated than the internet suggests :-)
[13:05] <ralsina> there are just too many moving parts involved on getting a cute desktop running.
[13:06] <ct529> ralsina: yes, but it is filed and accepted as a bug under kde
[13:06] <jacobsen> Hello, can someone help me with speaker-setup in ubuntu 10.10 pls?
[13:06] <ralsina> ct529: sure. I can show you where a unicorn is accepted in an encyclopedia as an animal, too ;-)
[13:08] <ralsina> ct529: in any case, it's a theoretical argument, I mostly meant "it's not something that one guy has to sit and fix in kwin" but instead it requires the involvement of a lot of people on different places in the stack, so it's not really a kwin bug, or at least a kwin-alone bug. But suit yourself, it's just semantics :-)
[13:08] <well_laid_lawn> jacobsen: doesn't kmix give enough options?
[13:10] <jacobsen> well_laid_lawn well, the problem is, that when I had XP on it the onboard speakers on the laptop was muted when I connected the extra logitech speakers to the phone-jack. But not so much now with Ubuntu. Now, BOTH speakers play (onboard and extra) at the same time
[13:10] <jacobsen> and I can't seem to turn OFF the onboard laptopspeakers.
[13:12] <well_laid_lawn> jacobsen: that'll be something to do with pulse audio and I know nothing about that - I would try and mute them in alsamixer which is a terminal app
[13:13] <ct529> good! xcompmgr works .... and if I want all bells and whistles I can start with kwin .... and go slower Thanks to everybody ( ralsina , well_laid_lawn )
[13:13] <well_laid_lawn> np :-)
[13:13] <ralsina> cool, glad to have helped :-)
[13:13] <jacobsen> well_laid_lawn okey. I will see what I can do. Just hopped over to Ubuntu, so I'm no that pro with the terminal yet..
[13:14] <ct529> will test compiz later .... food is calling! bye!
[13:14] <jacobsen> Thx for answere.
[13:14] <well_laid_lawn> sorry I couldn't help more jacobsen
[13:17] <ArGGu^^> jacobsen do you have headphone and front channel in your volume control?
[13:18] <ArGGu^^> if they both are there try to mute the front channel, but do not lower the volume level
[13:20] <jacobsen> ArGGu^^ No, doesen't seem like it..
[13:23] <ArGGu^^> jacobsen cat /proc/asound/card0/codec#* | grep Codec
[13:23] <ArGGu^^> does that return something
[13:23] <ArGGu^^> run it in terminal
[13:24] <jacobsen> cat /proc/asound/card0/codec#* | grep Codec = no such file in directory
[13:25] <ArGGu^^> jacobsen aplay -l
[13:25] <ArGGu^^> what that prints
[13:26] <ArGGu^^> there migth be lot of text so use http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[13:27] <jacobsen> ArGGu^^ http://paste.ubuntu.com/546915/
[14:04] <savage_> How can I set up Konqueror to always use the detailed list view, instead of the large icons?
[14:35] <BajK_> is there a way of preventing wine applications of changing the system wide gamma setting? since when they crash I have no chance but restart Xserver
[14:39] <rork> savage_: Settings > Configure Konqueror > File Management > General > Enable Use common view properties for all folders
[14:42] <savage_> ty
[15:09] <BluesKaj> hey folks
[15:54] <N9NU> does the DVD download for Natty contain extra software or source code for the same packages via the CD ?
[15:59] <Snowhog> N9NU: Extra software yes. I don't believe source code is provided on any LiveCD or DVD iso
[16:00] <N9NU> ok...thank you
[16:00] <N9NU> oh those are live images?
[16:00] <N9NU> i was looking for a permanent install
[16:00] <N9NU> do i have the wrong image?
[16:01] <Snowhog> N9NU: What file did you download - the full name?
[16:01] <N9NU> i didnt download anything yet......was loooking at the 10.10 release   ~ 3.x GB
[16:02] <Snowhog> N9NU: The link?
[16:02] <N9NU> oh hang ong
[16:04] <N9NU> ftp://mirror.mcs.anl.gov/alpacafarm-mounts/50/DVDs/kubuntu/natty/alpha-1/natty-desktop-amd64.iso
[16:04] <N9NU> my bad...its only 780MB or so
[16:04] <N9NU> the alpha copy
[16:05] <N9NU> the 3.xGB one appears to be a sync file
[16:05] <Snowhog> N9NU: LiveDVD iso for a 64-bit CPU.
[16:06] <N9NU> ok.....yeah i never run live installs....
[16:06] <N9NU> its a hard install and thats it ;)
[16:07] <Snowhog> N9NU: At least I believe it is a LiveDVD. If it were from the official Ubuntu sites, it would be.
[16:07] <N9NU> ok....i will verify that
[16:09] <Snowhog> N9NU: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[16:09] <N9NU> tnx
[16:18] <Gustavooo> hi, i'm under kubuntu 10.10. I'm having trouble with proxy under it. most apps just doesn't work with it like kopete, eclipse, firefox (works setting in the app though). Most of the time to use apt-get after rebooting i need to run export http_proxy... in cmd line..
[16:18] <Gustavooo> anyone knows a proper way to get it working like it does in Ubuntu
[16:18] <Gustavooo> i really like kde, but this is a major issue to i use kubuntu
[16:20] <Gustavooo> i tried googling and nothing helps to fix this issue
[16:23] <Gustavooo> anyone can help me out?
[16:36] <abusski> can same one help me to install yahoo messenger on kubuntu 10.10
[16:36] <Snowhog> Gustavooo: K Menu > System Settings > Network Settings > Proxy and set it up?
[16:37] <N9NU> pidgin by all means
[16:38] <abusski> can same one help me to install yahoo messenger on kubuntu 10.10 please help me
[16:39] <Gustavooo> Snowhog: yeah, i specified it manually
[16:41] <BluesKaj> !kopete
[16:41] <BluesKaj> abusski, read above
[16:42] <abusski> ok i get
[16:42] <abusski> thanks
[16:53] <abusski> please can you help me to install vlc on my kubuntu 10.10
[16:56] <BluesKaj> abusski, open the konsole , sudo apt-get install vlc
[16:58] <BluesKaj> abusski, I also recommend , sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras
[16:59] <BluesKaj> !kubuntu-restricted-extras | abusski
[17:35] <shane4ubuntu> ok, two quick things, 1.  Jovie (text to speech) keeps poping up, I have removed it from the sys tray several times.  2.  My plasma desktop crashes  Is this normal?
[17:36] <shane4ubuntu> oh, brainstorm I just removed jovie, which takes care of that problem
[17:36] <shane4ubuntu> anyone else with plasma desktop crashes?
[17:36] <cinex> hi
[17:37] <cinex> I have mywifi connect in the /etc/network/interfaces file at boot. is there a way to have something on the desktop report the state of the connection (so I can tell if it gets disconnected?)
[17:38] <shane4ubuntu> cinex: you should be able to show network manager in the system tray so you can tell if your connected or not.,
[17:39] <rysiek|pl> yofel: hi ho
[17:39] <cinex> the network manager doesnt report aconnection unless it was used to make the connection.
[17:39] <yofel> hi
[17:39] <rysiek|pl> yofel: do you think the PIM version SNAFU in the kubuntu-beta PPA might be fixed already?
[17:39]  * rysiek|pl hopes yofel remembers the issue ;)
[17:40] <yofel> let me check, pim 4.4.9 was released at least I think
[17:40] <shane4ubuntu> cinex: I'm not sure then, I don't use network manager.
[17:42] <cinex> shane4ubuntu: howdo you tell if your connection dropped?
[17:42] <shane4ubuntu> cinex, I use wicd, and have it in the system tray, so I can tell if it is conneceted or not.
[17:42] <cinex> maybe i could write a script to execute apopup orreconnection?
[17:42] <cinex> i will get wicd see if it works
[17:43]  * cinex spacebar is broken
[17:43] <shane4ubuntu> I prefer wicd, you may need to remove network manager though if you have difficutly connecting to a protected wireless.
[17:43] <rysiek|pl> yofel: seems like the conflicts are all still there :(
[17:44] <yofel> rysiek|pl: indeed, nobody updated kdepim for beta
[17:44] <rysiek|pl> what can I do about that
[17:44] <shane4ubuntu> yofel: rysiek|pl   is this kdepim for like palm syncing?
[17:45] <rysiek|pl> shane4ubuntu: KDE PI is KMail, Kontact, KAddressBook, Akregator, etc
[17:45] <yofel> rysiek|pl: disable updates ppa so you don't get prompted for updates, if you're using 4.6 then you don't want the kdepim package from updates
[17:46] <rysiek|pl> yofel: what about the frigging conflicts
[17:46] <rysiek|pl> yofel: half of my KDE is supposed to be removed -_-'
[17:46] <shane4ubuntu> rysiek|pl: ohh, right KOrganizer, I was thinking of kpilot
[17:46] <yofel> disable ppa, remove anything related to kdepim and install kdepim
[17:47] <cinex> why would wicd not find any wireless networks/
[17:47] <cinex> im in the netdev group
[17:47] <rysiek|pl> cinex: because NetworkMangler is trying to handle them? ;)
[17:47] <rysiek|pl> yofel: oh jeez. I don't think I have the guts to do that on my "work" machine
[17:48] <shane4ubuntu> cinex: sudo service wicd start
[17:48] <cinex> thanks shane4ubuntu
[17:48] <shane4ubuntu> cinex: oh, and you need to remove network manager, I thought I mentioned that?
[17:48] <rysiek|pl> yofel: and if I go experimental with the experimental PPA, is there a chance I'll get a nice upgrade path?
[17:48] <shane4ubuntu> cinex: or you can stop network manager first
[17:49] <shane4ubuntu> cinex: sudo network-manager stop??  I'm not sure on that one.
[17:49] <cinex> awesome. it works
[17:49] <yofel> rysiek|pl: let me check something first, I think experimental is out of date
[17:49] <rysiek|pl> yofel: m'kay
[17:49] <shane4ubuntu> cinex: ooops, I mean sudo service network-manager stop
[17:49] <cinex> shane4ubuntu: i have no network-manager running.
[17:49] <cinex> :~$ sudo service wicd start
[17:49] <cinex> Starting Network connection manager: wicd.
[17:49] <cinex> lol
[17:49] <shane4ubuntu> cinex: I think it is wicd-client that is the system thing
[17:49] <shane4ubuntu> I mean system panel thing
[17:50] <yofel> rysiek|pl: I would rather suggest you wait a day or two, 4.6 rc1 is currently being done for maverick, new kdepim should be there too then
[17:51] <rysiek|pl> yofel: so waiting a few days, then adding the Beta PPA?
[17:51] <yofel> did you use the beta ppa?
[17:51] <shane4ubuntu> cinex: did you manually shut down network manager, or remove it?  because it comes installed default, and is the automatic network manager.
[17:51] <rysiek|pl> tried, got a milion conflicts
[17:51] <rysiek|pl> backed out
[17:51] <yofel> rysiek|pl: backed out before upgrading anything?
[17:52] <rysiek|pl> yofel: yup.
[17:52] <cinex> i removed them all and only installed network-manager-gnome. to try and see if it helped fix the issue. so I just hit control + c to shutdown nm-applet
[17:52] <yofel> rysiek|pl: ok, can you show me again what apt wants to do when you upgrade?
[17:52] <cinex> but wicd is working now
[17:52] <cinex> and i can see the connection
[17:53] <cinex> even for wicd to work network-manager would need to run ?
[17:53] <shane4ubuntu> cinex: ok, I would think that the knetwork-manager would be able to show in the system panel if it was connected, although the default may not be setup like that.
[17:53] <rysiek|pl> yofel: sure, a sec; also: apt or aptitude?
[17:53] <cinex> ive removed that
[17:53] <cinex> its rubbish
[17:53] <shane4ubuntu> cinex: on my box I remove network manager because it conflicted with wicd
[17:53] <yofel> rysiek|pl: aptitude is usually more verbose
[17:54] <rysiek|pl> yup
[17:54] <cinex> k. i will keep it in mi nd incase a reboot breaks something.
[17:54] <shane4ubuntu> wicd wouldn't connect to wireless protected stuff, it was a bug cinex
[17:55] <cinex> whilst im here. I also need to know how to block a user account from local log in. (this is all so the kid can switch on the laptop and remotely download the movies through sftp)
[17:55] <cinex> I cant have him logging onto the laptop because he will use it to bypass his internet quota
[17:56] <shane4ubuntu> cinex: look for the package timekpr on the forums www.ubuntuforums.org  I'm not sure how it works with kde, as I think it was built for gnome, but you can completely block a user with that, I'm not sure how it would work with remote logins though.
[17:56] <rysiek|pl> yofel: aptitude dist-upgrade: http://wklej.org/id/443514/
[17:57] <cinex> there is a way to block all non-root users, with /etc/nologin. there must be a way to do it per user I just cant find it
[17:58] <rysiek|pl> cinex: change their shells to anything not in /etc/shells
[17:58] <rysiek|pl> cinex: i.e. /bin/nologin
[17:59] <cinex> rysiek|pl: will that prevent ssh logins?
[17:59] <rysiek|pl> cinex: yup
[17:59] <yofel> rysiek|pl: can you run apt-get update and try again? That wireless backports package error in there doesn't make sense
[17:59] <rysiek|pl> cinex: just create a testing account and test it? ;)
[18:00] <cinex> rysiek|pl: i need the user to be able to login with winscp
[18:00] <cinex> which means it needs ssh logins
[18:00] <rysiek|pl> lulz
[18:00] <rysiek|pl> cinex: search for "scponly"
[18:00] <cinex> kk
[18:01] <rysiek|pl> cinex: I use it on my servers, works like a charm, although there is a bit of setting it up to be done
[18:01] <rysiek|pl> cinex: also, I *think* there is another, newer way in more recent OpenSSH daemon versions, not sure though
[18:01] <cinex> nice - simple too
[18:03] <rysiek|pl> yofel: exactly the same
[18:05] <cinex> rysiek|pl: that doesn't prevent a local login though.
[18:05] <rysiek|pl> cinex: ?
[18:05] <rysiek|pl> the shell is set to scponly, so local login should prolly fail too
[18:06] <cinex> ill check what ive done
[18:11] <hellojones> hi i use maverick, strigi was turned off, kopete was on, I did git clone, rekonq was on and starcraft II was running in the background, suddenly from one second to another the pc became really sluggish and the hdd was giving noises, no program would react anymore. I waited 20 minutes but nothing happened. What can I do now?
[18:12] <cinex> rysiek|pl: it seems to be limiting the console logins but not graphical ones.
[18:12] <rysiek|pl> cinex: so you want this machine, having a GUI, to be an SCP-only server for a few accounts
[18:12] <rysiek|pl> cinex: am I right?
[18:12] <cinex> yes
[18:12] <acemo> using parted magic i fire up gparted, then i tell it to make a partition as big as the whole hdd for a 2tb hdd. it works for 6 min and then it spits out an error saying short read and then it does not sees my hdd anymore.
[18:13] <cinex> acemo: what filesystem?
[18:13] <acemo> Should it take long to make a 2tb ext4 partition? and does anyone knows how i can create the partition without letting it fail?
[18:13] <BluesKaj> acemo, gparted live cd ?
[18:14] <acemo> cinex: ext4
[18:14] <rysiek|pl> cinex: hummm. interesting thingy with the GUI. not sure how to achieve that, actually thought scponly will disable that too
[18:14] <acemo> cinex: but i don't really care which filesystem it becomes.. if you know something to let it work for any other type
[18:15] <cinex> it seems ext4 can handle volumes up to 1 exabyte, whatever that is
[18:15] <cinex> a billion gugabytes
[18:15] <cinex> gigabytes*
[18:17] <cinex> rysiek|pl: I know how to break kde, but it breaks it for everybody. maybe, perhaps I can stop the user from beingable to write to /tmp (and breaking kde)
[18:17] <yofel> rysiek|pl: which architecture?
[18:17] <BluesKaj> acemo, one way to reconstruct partitions is to begin a anew partition table as long as you don't mind erasing existing data and partitions
[18:17] <rysiek|pl> amd64
[18:18] <rysiek|pl> cinex: there *must* be a better way; maybe make the UIDS < 1000 (KDE/GNOME does not allow such users to login, AFAIK)
[18:19] <cinex> ok
[18:20] <acemo> BluesKaj: not reconstruct.. its a new hdd i just bought
[18:21] <BluesKaj> err reconstruct a new partition table ...sorry was a poor choice of words acemo
[18:21] <yofel> rysiek|pl: can you run 'aptitude safe-upgrade' first and then try again?
[18:21] <rysiek|pl> yofel: ok, running safe-upgrade
[18:25] <yofel> rysiek|pl: and you *do* seem to have the beta ppa enabled, as your pastebin contains libweather-ion6 and a few 4.5.85 versions
[18:25] <rysiek|pl> yofel: yes, I *do* have beta ppa enabled
[18:25] <rysiek|pl> yofel: should I disable it?
[18:25] <rysiek|pl> yofel: *before* safe-upgrade?
[18:25] <acemo> BluesKaj: it says writing inode tables: done. ex2fs_mkdir: Attempt to read block form filesystem resulted in short read while creating root dir
[18:26] <rysiek|pl> yofel: now would be a good time to tell me that ;)
[18:26] <yofel> rysiek|pl: abort aptitude for now
[18:26] <rysiek|pl> done
[18:26] <BluesKaj> acemo, I'll ask again, are you using the gparted live cd ?
[18:26] <cinex> rysiek|pl: Create a text file called /usr/local/etc/kdm.deny
[18:27] <yofel> rysiek|pl: what exactly did you want to upgrade to again? I'm a bit confused by all people having pim issues :S
[18:27] <rysiek|pl> jeez
[18:27] <rysiek|pl> yofel: EVERYTHING
[18:27] <acemo> BluesKaj: i'm using parted magic
[18:27] <rysiek|pl> yofel: I wanted to try KDE SC 4.6 betas, from the Betaa PPA
[18:27] <rysiek|pl> yofel: so I added the frigging beta PPA as advised on the kubuntu website
[18:28] <rysiek|pl> yofel: and dist-upgrade gave me those frigging 100+ conflicts
[18:28] <BluesKaj> parted magic..hmm , that wouldn't be a new version of partition magic , would it , if so I'd stay away from that app, it's deadly
[18:29] <acemo> BluesKaj: not partition magic, its a linux live cd with gparted and some other tools to fix a broken system http://www.google.nl/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CBoQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.partedmagic.com%2F&ei=EJUTTeDcIJSz8QPM-uzwDg&usg=AFQjCNEfBtL2_WRagqY7rK6ARP8mbcjKVg&sig2=ARynyEu_kv7gvYkd0as7Sw
[18:29] <acemo> oops
[18:29] <FloodBotK1> acemo: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[18:30] <yofel> rysiek|pl: ok, last one, can you pastebin the output of apt-cache policy kdepimlibs5 ?
[18:31] <rysiek|pl> yofel: http://wklej.org/id/443536/
[18:32] <BluesKaj> acemo, well it looks interesting but I would use gparted live cd as a stand alone live cd ...I've used it successfully on several pcs
[18:32] <acemo> BluesKaj: also for 2tb hdd's?
[18:32] <yofel> rysiek|pl: since I can't reproduce those conflicts here, can you pastebin me the output of this so I can reproduce you package setup please? aptitude  --display-format '%p' search '?installed!?automatic'
[18:35] <BluesKaj> acemo, well I've done 1tb successfully
[18:35] <rysiek|pl> yofel: a sec, it's 1150+ packages
[18:36] <acemo> BluesKaj: ohh well.. got nothing to lose :)
[18:37] <cinex> ~thanks for the help guys
[18:38] <rysiek|pl> yofel: http://wklej.org/id/443541/
[18:39] <BluesKaj> acemo, those bundled apps on one cd are ok, but a dedicated cd like gparted live cd seems to be more effective IMO
[18:39] <acemo> BluesKaj: idk.. atleast i'll have the most up to date gparted now :)
[18:41] <BluesKaj> acemo, what are you going to install on the drive
[18:41] <BluesKaj> ?
[18:41] <acemo> BluesKaj: ok well that didn't go as i hoped.. No devices detected
[18:42] <acemo> This drive is to backup all data from my dying server. Didn't expected getting the hard disk formatted being the biggest issue here :)
[18:42] <BluesKaj> by gparted ?
[18:42] <acemo> BluesKaj: yep
[18:47] <BluesKaj> dunno, suddenly there's a prob with 1tb+ drives being recognized ...I suppose it's default formatted to ntfs  ?
[19:04] <acemo> BluesKaj: i think it might be a problem with the computer being too old and not being able to handle 2tb. Found a usb to sata connector and going to try with my laptop after a reboot
[19:09] <acemo> aweasome gparted and kde's partitionmanager both don't recognize the hdd on this laptop :s
[19:11] <acemo> esata requires a special cable that seperates the power from the data i assume?
[19:28] <yofel> rysiek|pl: I installed your packages excep kernel 2.6.36, tor and 2 other packages which aren't available here, and I get this :S http://paste.ubuntu.com/547018/
[19:29] <yofel> rysiek|pl: you could run aptitude in interactive mode and see if you can find a conflict resolution which works
[19:30] <BluesKaj> yofel, that looks like a kde version upgrade , is that what you're doing
[19:30] <BluesKaj> ?
[19:31] <yofel> BluesKaj: rysiek|pl tried to install the beta and got this http://paste.ubuntu.com/547018/ - so I tried to reproduce it, unsuccessfully
[19:34] <BluesKaj> rysiek|pl, you need a beta ppa repos , most likely
[19:56] <home> does any1 no ow 2 set up ukchatterbox on konversation???
[19:57] <rysiek|pl> yofel: whoa, thanks!
[19:57] <goodtime> no but i run konversation
[19:57] <rysiek|pl> yofel: I used dist-upgrade, not upgrade, mind you ;)
[19:58] <rysiek|pl> BluesLaj: already have it enabled
[19:58] <rysiek|pl> yofel: wonder which packages are actually problematic; ah well, we'll see
[21:00] <Alarm> hello. i am looking for a solution to fix the menu color on non kde applications, like xchat, firefox.
[21:01] <Alarm> i use Qt , but it seems that some menus dont like that. for example firefox menu has a different colour than the rest of the window
[21:53] <karuru> does anyone know how to set up the n900 via bluetooth in kubuntu 10.10?
[22:18] <acemo> ext2fs_mkdir: Attempt to read block from filesystem resulted in short read while creating root dir. Using gparted partitionmanager and doing it manually with fdisk and mkfs.ext4 all of them i keep getting this error. Anyone has any idea how to get this hard disk formatted?