[01:07] <thooty> ummmm
[03:34] <head_victim> nisshh: ping if you want to check out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam now I have had some help from some website people in making it look correct in both firefox and chrome now.
[07:26] <nisshh> head_victim, having a look now
[07:27] <nisshh> head_victim, looks like thisara got Ubuntu installed and booted from that hard drive :)
[08:40] <chesty> anyone know how to turn the ir port off on my macbookpro2,2? I'm afraid it's going to develop super strength and burn a hole in my wall
[08:41] <nisshh> chesty, smash it? :)
[08:41] <nisshh> get rid of your macbook? :)
[08:42] <chesty> it's running ubuntu
[08:43] <chesty> i didn't even now it was an ir port until I installed ubuntu and it turned on for the first time
[08:44] <chesty> actually, it's my headphone socket, weird
[08:44] <chesty> there's a red led inside the socket that's on
[08:45] <nisshh> chesty, i dont even know if its possible to turn off the ir port, sorry :|
[08:45] <chesty> I'm not even sure if it is a ir port now, I just assumed it was because it was red :P
[08:46] <nisshh> oh ok]
[11:05] <thisara> hi nisshh
[11:05] <thisara> are u there
[11:08] <nisshh> thisara, hey
[11:09] <thisara> nisshh : how is going
[11:09] <nisshh> thisara, if you type nis<tab key> then it highlights my nick and beeps so i know someone is talking to me :)
[11:10] <nisshh> unless webchat cant do that :)
[11:10] <thisara> nisshh : ok
[11:10] <nisshh> its called tab completion
[11:11] <thisara> nisshh: got it
[11:11] <nisshh> there you go :)
[11:11] <nisshh> thisara, anyway, what did you need help with?
[11:11] <thisara> nisshh: I already installed the Intel fortran compiler
[11:11] <nisshh> oh good, so its working?
[11:12] <thisara> nisshh: thats the problem
[11:12] <nisshh> oh?
[11:12] <nisshh> thisara, also, you dont need to highlight me nick, every time :)
[11:12] <nisshh> my* :)
[11:13] <thisara> nisshh: Its installed. thats sure. But now I want to installed the licence file. But I cant figure out where the Fortran is installed .
[11:14] <nisshh> hmmm
[11:14] <nisshh> do you need the license file?
[11:14] <nisshh> actually, what *is* the license file?
[11:14] <nisshh> thisara, ^^
[11:14] <thisara> nisshh: its already there with me. It comes with the installation
[11:15] <nisshh> what license is it? some sort of terms & conditions?
[11:15] <thisara> nisshh: I want to ask another stupid question. 
[11:15] <nisshh> no question is stupid, just ask
[11:15] <nisshh> :)
[11:17] <nisshh> thisara, ?
[11:17] <thisara> nisshh: First answer ur question. Intel compiler for Linux is free. So during download, intel send the licence file to our email. I will send that for you to have a look. which is an authentification for the particular copy of the software.
[11:18] <nisshh> i see
[11:18] <nisshh> so its free but not open source?
[11:20] <thisara> nisshh: mmm..fortran compiler is same like C,  Python
[11:21] <thisara> nisshh: We have to write our own coding
[11:22] <thisara> nisshh:  but there are fortran open source fortran coding all around world. I am not sure whether you know what I am referring. One of the famous is SWAN
[11:22] <nisshh> thisara, yeah, i understand that, but i dont understand what kind of license would require you to install a license just for a compiler
[11:23] <nisshh> yeah, i dont know a heap about fortran, i do know there are/was/is a compiler or two you can get for free though
[11:23] <nisshh> thisara, you can just email me the license file if you like
[11:24] <thisara> nisshh: anyway these are my stupid quesitons in Linux
[11:24] <nisshh> that way i can understand what your trying to do
[11:24] <nisshh> thisara, hehe, they arent stupid, just a challenge to answer :)
[11:24] <thisara> nisshh: Main problem is I am migrating from Windows to Linux , so I tend to think with a mindset of windows
[11:25] <nisshh> i see, yeah, that is a common problem for some
[11:25] <thisara> nisshh: I wonder how do we find some file in the computer
[11:25] <nisshh> thisara, there are two commands, find and locate :)
[11:25] <thisara> nisshh: ex: if I wan to find the installed directory of fortran
[11:26] <thisara> nisshh: ok
[11:26] <nisshh> thisara, well, how do you compile a fortran program on the command line?
[11:26] <nisshh> thisara, if the compiler has an executable this might work: which fortran
[11:27] <nisshh> that works for Python and whatnot, it might work for fortran
[11:27] <thisara> nisshh: that infact I am not sure
[11:27] <nisshh> thisara, so you coded fortran programs in matlab on windows did you?
[11:28]  * nisshh has no idea what matlab is used for/can do
[11:28] <thisara> nisshh: I still cant understand directory structure of Linux. Becase in Windows, we know where the installations are 
[11:28] <nisshh> all i know is engineers and stuff use it
[11:28] <nisshh> yeah
[11:28] <nisshh> thisara, its easy :)
[11:28] <thisara> nisshh: Matlab is different. 
[11:29] <nisshh> thisara, the key difference is linux does not have anything like drive letters (C drive, D drive, etc)
[11:29] <nisshh> all extra hard drives and whatnot are mounted as part of the existing file system
[11:29] <thisara> nisshh: Most people use Matlab. It can do programming. also its a good graphical generator. But its not powerful as fortran when it comes to hardcore numerical programming. less efficient
[11:30] <nisshh> yeah
[11:30] <nisshh> thisara, ill be one minute, i just need to grab dinner from the kitchen :)
[11:30] <thisara> nisshh: today I had to install Linux three times
[11:30] <thisara> nisshh: I had to find the compatible version for Ifort
[11:30] <thisara> nisshh: OK
[11:33] <nisshh> oh ok
[11:33] <nisshh> thisara, anyway
[11:33] <nisshh> thisara, getting back to the original issue, can you email me the license file, so i can see what im dealing with?
[11:34] <thisara> nisshh: Ok  I will now
[11:34] <nisshh> ok
[11:35] <thisara> nisshh: its sent
[11:35] <nisshh> ok
[11:36] <nisshh> i should have it in a minute
[11:36] <nisshh> thisara, oh i see, whats the number in the file for?
[11:37] <thisara> nisshh: sorry. that was serial number. I sent u the correct one again
[11:37] <nisshh> oh, you sent me the wrong one?
[11:38] <nisshh> thisara, ok, and what do you normally do on windows with that file?
[11:39] <thisara> nisshh: In windows, there is a graphical interface for Intel Fortran. which has everything
[11:39] <nisshh> oh i see
[11:39] <thisara> nisshh: when we start the programme for the first time it will ask to install the license file
[11:39] <nisshh> thisara, are you using Ubunt right now?
[11:39] <nisshh> oh
[11:39] <nisshh> ok
[11:39] <thisara> nisshh: mmm not now
[11:40] <nisshh> that is really silly :)
[11:40] <thisara> nisshh: can reboot in a minute
[11:40] <nisshh> thisara, ok, please reboot into Ubuntu, jump back on IRC and then ill get you to run some commands for me :)
[11:40] <thisara> nisshh: give me 2 min
[11:43] <thisara> nisshh: hi I am back
[11:43] <nisshh> ok
[11:44] <nisshh> thisara, so how did you install the compiler? did you use the link i gave you a few emails back?
[11:45] <thisara> nisshh: u mean this link http://software.intel.com/en-us/articles/using-intel-compilers-for-linux-with-ubuntu/
[11:46] <nisshh> yeah
[11:46] <nisshh> did you use that? or did you do it another way?
[11:46] <thisara> nisshh: I use almost same
[11:46] <nisshh> thisara, right
[11:47] <thisara> nisshh: but only difference was that it gave me warnings of some prerequsits. So install g++
[11:47] <nisshh> thisara, can you tell me how you compiled programs on windows with fortran? was there a command? or a button or something?
[11:47] <nisshh> ah, yeah, thats nothing to worry about then
[11:48] <thisara> nisshh: In Windows ll done in graphical interface, there is a butten for COMPILE and another one for RUN
[11:48] <nisshh> thisara, this GUI, is it part of matlab?
[11:48] <thisara> nisshh: I am not sure whether there is such a graphical interface for Ubuntu 
[11:49] <thisara> nisshh: sorry, Matlab is a different software. It has nothing to do with Fortran
[11:49] <thisara> nisshh: I think I confused u
[11:49] <nisshh> you did
[11:49] <thisara> nisshh: sorry for that
[11:49] <nisshh> you said you used fortran with matlab :)
[11:50] <nisshh> or something like that :)
[11:50] <thisara> nisshh: fortran and matlab
[11:50] <thisara> nisshh: sorry for confusion
[11:50] <nisshh> thats fine
[11:51] <thisara> nisshh: well get back to the topic. I wonder how to find the installed folder of Fortran. Ex: In windows, we know it is somewehre in Programe flies
[11:51] <nisshh> thisara, yeah, im working on it, give me a moment
[11:53] <thisara> nisshh: I found anothe document on how to do the installation. this might be useful  http://www.webmo.net/support/ifort11.html
[11:54] <thisara> nisshh: but I found this once finish the installation. now I cant reverse the installation. Simply, ..dont know how to uninstall. 
[11:54] <nisshh> right
[11:57] <nisshh> thisara, ok, ive just been to #fortran
[11:57] <thisara> nisshh: good
[11:57] <nisshh> and they have no expereince with intel fortran
[11:57] <nisshh> they all use gfortran (gcc for fortran)
[11:58] <nisshh> which they say should accept the same syntax you use
[11:58] <nisshh> thisara, willing to give it a shot?
[11:58] <nisshh> or do you need to use matlab?
[11:58] <thisara> nisshh: fortran syntax are same regardless of platform
[11:58] <nisshh> im still a little confused about how matlab is used with fortran
[11:58] <thisara> nisshh: I know gfortran but I dont think it s free
[11:59] <nisshh> thisara, im refferring to compiler accepted syntax, but yeah
[11:59] <nisshh> yeah, its completely frewe
[11:59] <thisara> nisshh: sorry
[11:59] <nisshh> free
[11:59] <thisara> nisshh: Run in Windows ?
[11:59] <nisshh> wait, what?
[12:00] <thisara> nisshh:  do they run gfortran in Linux ? or Windows ?
[12:00] <nisshh> thisara, its available for linux as far as i know
[12:00] <thisara> nisshh:  I earlier used it . Sometimes it has bugs. 
[12:01] <nisshh> yeah
[12:01] <thisara> nisshh:  But I have never used in linux
[12:01] <nisshh> thisara, can you please join the #fortran channel, they are willing to help you
[12:01] <thisara> nisshh:  There are few other. Microsoft Power Station, Compaq 
[12:01] <nisshh> yeah
[12:01] <thisara> good
[12:02] <thisara> nisshh: thanks for your time
[12:02] <nisshh> thisara, no problem, im happy to help, its just that fortran is sort of above my head :)
[12:02] <nisshh> thisara, any Ubuntu questions or help you need, come back here :)
[12:03] <thisara> nisshh:  Ok Nish. See you again after some time
[12:03] <nisshh> thisara, do you know how to join #fortran?
[12:03] <thisara> nisshh: what u mean #fortran
[12:03] <thisara> ?
[12:03] <nisshh> thisara, there is a channel on IRC called #fortran, there are people in there willing to help you
[12:04] <nisshh> thisara, gimme a sec
[12:04] <thisara> nisshh: aha ok got it
[12:04] <nisshh> thisara, click this link: irc://irc.freenode.net:8001/#fortran
[12:05] <thisara> nisshh: got it
[12:05] <nisshh> cool
[12:07] <nisshh> thisara, so, are you going to #fortran now, or...
[12:09] <thisara> nisshh:  I tried that
[12:09] <nisshh> thisara, copy and paste that link into your web browser
[12:10] <thisara> nisshh: seems its different application do I need to create a login
[12:11] <thisara> nisshh:  Ok I am there
[12:11] <thisara> nisshh: thanks
[12:12] <nisshh> cool
[12:19] <thisara> nisshh:  need to go 
[12:19] <thisara> nisshh: catch u another time
[12:19] <thisara> nisshh: bye
[12:30] <gggs> hmm, webchat shows your ip to the world
[12:32] <nisshh> gggs, yeah
[12:34] <gggs> reading through the IRC rfc the other day I came across the /links cmd, and then realized FreeNode has an Australian server
[12:34] <gggs> "roddenberry.freenode.net roddenberry.freenode.net :0 Brisbane, AU"
[12:34] <nisshh> wait
[12:35] <nisshh> gggs, how did you discover an au freenode server by reading an rfc?
[12:35] <nisshh> you have super mind powers! :)
[12:35] <nisshh> now im just getting offtopic :)
[12:36] <gggs> butterfly effect, I could predict what would happen 17 years in the future by how it was written
[12:36] <nisshh> lol
[12:37] <gggs> it didn't extend my ability to avoid xmas shopping traffic today, so my super mind powers have restricted privileges
[12:39] <gggs> yea anyway I get ~400ms ping to chat.freenode.net (random server) and ~71ms to roddenberry.freenode.net
[12:39] <nisshh> oh nice lol
[12:40] <nisshh> gggs, i get 104ms ping from roddenberry.freenode.net, but im in WA, so im not as close as you
[12:41] <gggs> what do you get to your current IRC server?
[12:41] <nisshh> one sec
[12:42] <gggs> I get ~400 to leguin.
[12:42] <nisshh> gggs, i get 513ms from leguin.freenode.net, but they are in sweden :)
[12:42] <nisshh> gggs, do you have cable or ADSL2+?
[12:44] <gggs> sveeeden!
[12:44] <gggs> adsl2, I'll tell you the speed in a minute
[12:44] <nisshh> ah ok
[12:49] <gggs> ...if I can find my router's password
[12:50] <nisshh> lol
[12:52] <gggs> uh oh
[12:52] <nisshh> what happened?
[12:53] <gggs> I had everything setup quite nicely, with an admin and a normal user account, but uhh, I've no idea where I wrote them down
[12:54] <nisshh> gggs, lol, nice :)
[12:54] <nisshh> gggs, just go to speedtest.net :)
[12:57] <gggs> I'm pretty sure I wrote them down, however I'm even more sure I shred loose paper
[12:57] <nisshh> haha
[13:00] <gggs> after screwing around with the damn thing for a whole afternoon, I've shredded the only evidence of my efforts
[13:00]  * gggs sighs
[13:00] <gggs> it's about 8,000kbit/s from memory
[13:01] <sagaci> adsl1
[13:09] <nisshh> gggs, same as me then
[13:10] <gggs> I can download at about 600kB/s, I'm just cut at losing the passwords for this damn thing
[13:11] <nisshh> gggs, ah ok, i max out at about 859kb/s :)
[13:11] <sagaci> looking forward to d/l speeds at lca2011
[13:12] <sagaci> 2.2MB
[13:12] <gggs> nisshh: nice, dsl?
[13:13] <nisshh> gggs, ADSL2+
[13:13] <nisshh> sagaci, oh nice :)
[13:14] <sagaci> nisshh: sounds like adsl1
[13:14] <nisshh> sagaci, no, its ADSL2+ dude
[13:14] <nisshh> sagaci, ISP says so, my router says so :)
[13:15] <sagaci> yeah, but why are you maxing out at just ~860kbps
[13:15] <gggs> 'just' 860kB/s?
[13:16] <sagaci> gggs: yeah, just 860kB, i've been there
[13:16] <nisshh> sagaci, kilobytes, not kilobits :)
[13:16] <sagaci> yeah, we're on the same page
[13:17] <nisshh> sagaci, how fast is you net?
[13:17] <sagaci> ~21000kilobits
[13:17] <nisshh> yeah
[13:17] <sagaci> translates into around 2.1-2.2megabytes/sec
[13:17] <sagaci> that's adsl2+
[13:18] <sagaci> not annex m
[13:18] <nisshh> sagaci, i can get that speed here on adsl2+ but its more expensive than 8000mbps :)
[13:18] <sagaci> kbps* :P
[13:18] <nisshh> but i swear, i AM on adsl2+ dude
[13:18] <gggs> yea it's cheaper to wardrive and connect to routers called `dlink'
[13:18] <nisshh> sagaci, yeah lol, oops :)
[13:19] <sagaci> so you're on turbo or something
[13:19] <sagaci> it's about the same price, yeah?
[13:20] <nisshh> sagaci, im with telstra on the bigpond liberty turbo 8mbps plan with 50GB's bandwidth
[13:21] <nisshh> but i got a discount
[13:21] <nisshh> so 20mbps is far more expensive
[13:21] <sagaci> yeah, i'm on the same except elite
[13:21] <sagaci> but i'm on wireless 3g right this moment
[13:23] <nisshh> sagaci, my plan might be elite too, i cant remember :)
[13:24] <sagaci> nisshh: have you tried rebooting your router
[13:24] <nisshh> sagaci, what? why?
[13:26] <sagaci> well if you're on the elite, you should be able to get 20mbps if your line is right
[13:27] <sagaci> when I felt 20mbps dowload, 
[13:27] <sagaci> i was like that dude in the chair listeing to loud music with glasses on
[13:29] <nisshh> sagaci, no, there is the 8mbps elite and the 20mbps elite :)
[13:30] <sagaci> a deprecated plan?
[13:30] <nisshh> no
[13:30] <nisshh> let me find the plan list
[13:30] <sagaci> i got it
[13:30] <sagaci> i'll imgur it
[13:31] <nisshh> ok
[13:34] <sagaci> http://i.imgur.com/qBFYB.png
[13:35] <nisshh> sagaci, yeah, that plan
[13:35] <nisshh> but my router limits me because it cant do ADSL2+ :)
[13:35] <sagaci> so it's just your router
[13:35] <nisshh> i installed a patch that supposedly made it ADSL2+ capable
[13:35] <sagaci> what have you got
[13:36] <nisshh> but it obviously isnt working
[13:36] <gggs> hah, "Your current plan is BigPond Elite Liberty* (100GB) - ADSL $79.95 monthly", it's not even there anymore
[13:36] <nisshh> sagaci, Netgear DG834G
[13:36] <nisshh> lol, yeah
[13:36] <sagaci> nisshh: now it makes sense
[13:36] <nisshh> sagaci, yeah, because it says i get ADSL2+ but obviously my router is too old
[13:36] <sagaci> 100GB is my sweet spot, since you get 256k shaped speed
[13:36] <nisshh> yeah
[13:37] <sagaci> in saying that 50GB meets my needs
[13:37] <nisshh> but i dont get shaped often, i stop downloading just before i go over
[13:37] <nisshh> and i regulate it
[13:37] <gggs> I'm 24GB through 100GB, with one day until new bill date; what do you guys go through?
[13:37] <nisshh> so i spread the 50GB's out over a month
[13:37] <sagaci> 1.5GB a day
[13:37] <nisshh> gggs, i go through all 50GB's a month
[13:38] <nisshh> but i could easily go through more
[13:38] <sagaci> youtube HD, daily linux isos aren't mirrored, only xubuntu's are
[13:38] <nisshh> yeah
[13:39] <nisshh> brb, getting dessert
[13:40] <nisshh> back now
[13:41] <gggs> aarnet is unmetered
[13:41] <sagaci> distros iso that aren't mirrored, 
[13:41] <sagaci> aarnet is limited
[13:41] <nisshh> gggs, yeah i use it
[13:42] <sagaci> i abuse it
[13:42] <sagaci> 8)
[13:43] <gggs> nisshh: (ot) I'm grep'ing my entire hdd for my router's passwords, everythings a little slow
[13:43] <gggs> sagaci: you pull new ISO's daily?
[13:43] <sagaci> no
[13:46] <gggs> 200GB, even 100GB is a large amount of data for a home network
[13:46] <nisshh> gggs, hehe
[13:47] <sagaci> ubuntu one
[13:47] <sagaci> i'd use it if uploads weren't counted
[13:56] <gggs> earlier this week I measured how much traffic went through an IRC server similar to this one when idle-- 12.49kB over an hour, depending on how long the server's hostname is
[14:16] <gggs> nisshh: grep couldn't find anything, looks like I've have to reset it (eventually)
[14:16] <nisshh> gggs, that sucks :(
[14:17] <gggs> yea it's one of those Telstra-branded Thomson wifi routers, you can only change a few settings
[14:20] <nisshh> ah ok
[14:21] <nisshh> my routers control panel is not bad, i can change DHCP address range, LAN settings, wireless settings, dyndns settings, etc
[14:21] <gggs> nisshh: wifi?
[14:23] <nisshh> gggs, yes
[14:23] <nisshh> wireless == wifi
[14:24] <gggs> oh right, missed that, it's getting late
[14:25] <nisshh> lol
[14:25] <nisshh> i am fully awake currently :)
[14:29] <gggs> the only wifi router I've got is the Telstra/Thomson, purely for the N900
[14:29] <gggs> night owl hey