[00:35] <ikonia> bed time
[04:13] <IdleOne> keep an eye on the nick one, they were using onetoneturd I banned the nick after asking them to change it and they joined a second client instead.
[05:20] <mneptok> IdleOne: ?
[05:58] <IdleOne> lovely PM I got.
[05:59] <IdleOne> check 36070 comments
[06:00] <rww> O_O
[06:05] <Flannel> IdleOne: you got 36070 comments?  wow, that's pretty spammy!
[06:06] <IdleOne> You are not figuring that some of those are onions
[07:50] <Myrtti> oh lordy
[07:50] <Myrtti> is this begging for laptops an upcoming trend now?
[07:52] <IdleOne> who else?
[07:52] <Myrtti> at #ubuntu
[07:52] <Myrtti> Guest39371
[07:59] <Myrtti> [09:58] ~~~mode/#irssi [-b *!~dhruvasag@*] by Dirm
[07:59] <Myrtti> [09:58] ~~~dhruvasagar [~dhruvasag@65.98.79.137] has joined #irssi
[07:59] <Myrtti> [09:58] ~~~mode/#irssi [+v dhruvasagar] by ChanServ
[07:59] <Myrtti> [09:58] <+dhruvasagar> Dirm: thanks a lot
[07:59] <Myrtti> [09:58]  * dhruvasagar Apologizes to everyone for the annoying  frequent nick changes last night
[08:01] <Myrtti> was about to say something about using profanity as a sign of intellectual poverty, but then remembered how much I swear IRL
[08:01] <Myrtti> "oh well"
[08:04] <Myrtti> could someone please check he's not banned on #ubuntu anymore, my eyes are playing a trick on me and I can't see it on the banlist, but I'm not sure either
[08:10] <Myrtti> IdleOne: thanks
[08:10] <IdleOne> sure thing, I didn't see anything else matching
[09:21] <Jordan_U> People's nicks are a touchy subject, and I don't know where to draw the line. "RORgasm" probably wasn't going to do any harm, and I'm not being a great catalyst by *causing* conflict :(
[09:29] <ikonia> true
[09:29] <ikonia> Jordan_U: I guess unless it's an obvious offense, it's "ok"
[09:34] <Tm_T> asking nicely in PM usually doesn't harm though
[09:35] <ikonia> I'd like to +m ubuntu and you can only help once you've taken a test to show you can work an issue through logically rather than just throwing random ideas out
[10:15] <cdbs> !remastersys is <alias> remaster
[11:50] <bazhang> !find remastersys
[11:50] <bazhang> !remastersys
[11:51] <bazhang> afaik remastersys is a third party app; should it be included in a factoid ?
[11:51] <popey> people ask about it a lot
[11:51] <bazhang> yep, but there's no link to it in the factoid itself
[11:51] <popey> all those misguided people who want to "LOL! I'm gonna make my own distro based on Ubunto!"
[11:51] <bazhang> hehe
[11:52] <bazhang> may as well start linking to OMG!UBUNTU and WEbupd8!!
[12:08] <ikonia> I don't think it should be there
[12:09] <ikonia> or it should be a detailed factoid saying it's nothing to do with ubuntu
[12:09] <ikonia> !forget remastersys
[12:11] <bazhang> agreed
[12:22] <jussi> I disagree - we have help.u.c link there, just because remastersys is an alias, doesnt mean it shouldnt be there at all
[12:24] <jussi> !remaster
[12:24] <jussi> that, as a factoid makes good sense to me.
[12:29] <jussi> especially with uck in the repos.
[12:41] <jrib> Is there something wrong with remastersys though?  I don't see the harm in listing it at the end of that factoid
[13:19] <cdbs> Would be good to add to the #ubuntu+1 topic: GTK 2.23.3 is broken, please don't upgrade until its fixed
[13:19] <cdbs> this issue is causing major issues, such as no GDM for login
[13:19] <cdbs> and I just learnt that the hard way. had to downgrade to have this system working again
[13:20] <cdbs> issue confirmed by people on #ubuntu-desktop
[13:20] <jrib> cdbs: you happen to know a bug number?
[13:21] <cdbs> jrib: searching for it
[13:21] <cdbs> the thing is, the issue is VERY recent
[13:21] <cdbs> I thing began around 1-2 hours ago
[13:21] <cdbs> so there's no official announcement, nor anyone has filed a bug (yet)
[13:23] <jrib> cdbs: is the package libgtk2.0-0 in natty or something else?
[13:26] <jrib> cdbs: I updated the topic, if you find a bug number let one of us know :)
[13:27] <cdbs> Thanks jrib
[13:27] <cdbs> jrib: okay, I got to go. sorry for that. its that 2 of us are facing that issue
[13:27] <cdbs> err, 3
[13:27] <cdbs> on #ubuntu-desktop
[14:07] <charlie-tca> jrib: is this what cdbs wanted? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk+2.0/+bug/693737
[14:12] <Myrtti> oh lord, here we go again
[14:12] <popey> :)
[14:23] <Myrtti> I kinda saw that coming
[14:27] <Myrtti> this one too, probably
[14:35] <Myrtti> told ya
[14:43] <jrib> charlie-tca: probably, yeah
[15:08]  * popey notes Fredy in pm asking for my sex, age, email address, location, yahoo messenger id..
[15:10] <nhandler> Keep in mind that he isn't identified. But thanks for the heads up
[15:13] <Myrtti> popey: which channels is he with you, only #ubuntu?
[15:14] <popey> yes
[15:14] <Myrtti> wow
[15:16] <jpds> popey: Refer him to the DPA?
[16:01] <Myrtti> is he really thinking of installing Ubuntu 5.x?
[16:01] <Myrtti> seriously?
[16:01]  * popey shrugs
[16:01] <popey> I figured it was a misprint
[16:16] <charlie-tca> I one that did that a month or two ago. Wanted to know how to make things work in it, too
[16:25] <Myrtti> what's this Laurentos fellow with this "poor X" thing
[16:25] <Myrtti> I have a vague recollection...
[16:31] <Myrtti> it always makes me feel warm and fuzzy when I'm being referred to as nazi
[16:31] <popey> indeed
[16:39] <Myrtti> well, that was surprising
[16:39] <Myrtti> knock me with a feather
[17:09] <Tm_T> uh, did anyone give a talk for r00t4rd3d after his nazi comment?
[17:10] <Tm_T> he is apparently begging our attention in an increasing level
[17:13] <Myrtti> I can't be bothered to smudge my hands in discussions with him while helping mum with carelian pastries
[17:27] <IdleOne> I can't be bothered to talk to him either. He has been asked to change his nick a few times already and we have given him slack because when he helps, he is helpful. Being helpful does not give him the right to be a jerk to the ops team.
[17:28] <IdleOne> now he is banned.
[17:45] <mneptok> Myrtti: pulla?!
[17:45]  * mneptok has not had pulla at the holidays since his Karelian-Swedish-Finn grandmother passed away :(
[17:50] <r00t4rd3d> IdleOne, you fucking little girl
[17:50] <r00t4rd3d> suck my cock
[17:50] <Pici> what the?
[17:51] <pleia2> (little girl as insult)--
[17:51] <IdleOne> Good morning :)
[17:52]  * pleia2 hugs IdleOne 
[17:52]  * IdleOne gives pleia2 a big Happy Holidays hug
[17:57] <r00t4rd3d> why was i banned ?
[17:57] <IdleOne> thank you for rejoining r00t4rd3d
[17:57] <r00t4rd3d> why was i banned ?
[17:58] <r00t4rd3d> why was i banned ?
[17:58] <jrib> r00t4rd3d: be patient
[17:58] <IdleOne> The reason I banned you is because over the past week or so we have asked you to change your nick on a couple of occasions. You refused and we gave you some slack because when you are active in #ubuntu you are helpful.
[17:58] <IdleOne> r00t4rd3d: calm down or I will ban you from here also.
[17:58] <IdleOne> BUT
[17:59] <r00t4rd3d> so im banned cause my nickname ?
[17:59] <r00t4rd3d> thats cool
[17:59] <IdleOne> you have also be increasingly belligerent towards the ops team
[17:59] <IdleOne> what a fucking idiot
[17:59] <IdleOne> screw him
[17:59]  * IdleOne goes back to his cake and coffee
[17:59] <Pici> IdleOne: language.  vent elsewhere.
[18:00] <jrib> yes, no point in getting worked up over irc
[18:00] <IdleOne> Pici: apologies and yes you are right also jrib
[18:00] <Pici> I usually end up yelling at my screen.
[18:00]  * jrib nods at Pici
[18:00] <Pici> Well, not usually, I try to walk away before that happens.
[18:05] <IdleOne> I was planning on explaining exactly why I banned him, really the nick name does not bother me that much, more the attitude we have been given since he was asked to change it. I was then going to ask him to be nice towards the ops and try and work with us but he chose not to give me a minute to type (sorry I don't type 120wpm)
[18:08]  * mneptok feels the love
[18:32]  * Pici wonders what rigved is trying to explain
[18:32] <IdleOne> something to do with wine I believe
[20:20] <jrib> !guidelines > debugg3r
[20:23] <Myrtti> whats wrong with people...
[20:23] <jrib> should see my pm...
[20:24] <Myrtti> i can imagine
[20:31]  * popey yells at Picis screen
[22:10] <IdleOne> still being harassed by r00t4rd3d in PM. you think after these few hours they would of calmed down enough to come back here and discuss like an adult. I guess it is easier to stay mad and swear at me in PM
[22:18] <IdleOne> he is also ban evading
[22:18] <IdleOne> 122310-[17:15:29] <r00t4rd3d> <EngrChris> for both netbook and desktop cds
[22:18] <IdleOne> 122310-[17:15:31] <r00t4rd3d> heh
[22:18] <IdleOne> 122310-[17:15:45] <r00t4rd3d> allowed back in ? LOL
[22:18] <IdleOne> 122310-[17:15:59] <r00t4rd3d> You couldnt keep me out on your best day.
[22:20] <r00t4rd3d> :D
[22:21]  * r00t4rd3d All bow before the F'in Idiot.
[22:23] <Tm_T> pardon?
[22:24] <r00t4rd3d> "IdleOne	what a fucking idiot"
[22:24] <IdleOne> he is gloating about ban evading
[22:24] <IdleOne> that is what I said r00t4rd3d
[22:24] <IdleOne> We have logs which you seem able to find and read
[22:24] <r00t4rd3d> IdleOne, I was just messing with you. You must not know about the logs
[22:25] <r00t4rd3d> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/
[22:25] <r00t4rd3d> I can read everything that said.
[22:25] <IdleOne> be sure to read this hours log when it is posted
[22:26] <r00t4rd3d> I will to see what foul names you call me.
[22:26] <IdleOne> just the one I did earlier today and it still stands
[22:26] <r00t4rd3d> In essence your no better then me.
[22:26] <IdleOne> Tm_T: could you please handle this if you have the time.
[22:26] <Tm_T> sure
[22:26] <IdleOne> I never claimed to be better then you.
[22:27] <r00t4rd3d> Then why did you ban me ?
[22:27] <Tm_T> r00t4rd3d: just this: there's no excuse for bad behaviour
[22:27] <r00t4rd3d> Tm_T, I realize that/
[22:27] <Tm_T> IdleOne's job is to keep ubuntu channels clean and on their purpose
[22:27] <r00t4rd3d> I was clean and on topic.
[22:28] <r00t4rd3d>  "The reason I banned you is because over the past week or so we have asked you to change your nick on a couple of occasions. "
[22:28] <r00t4rd3d> I was asked once from Jordan to change my nick and I said no.
[22:28] <Tm_T> r00t4rd3d: so did you come and discuss this calmly here?
[22:28] <r00t4rd3d> He seems to get over it.
[22:28] <r00t4rd3d> Idle cannot for some reason.
[22:29] <r00t4rd3d> I cant discuss anything with someone that calls me a fucking idiot , could you ?
[22:29] <IdleOne> did you happen to read
 I was planning on explaining exactly why I banned him, really the nick name does not bother me that much, more the attitude we have been given since he was asked to change it. I was then going to ask him to be nice towards the ops and try and work with us but he chose not to give me a minute to type (sorry I don't type 120wpm)
[22:29] <r00t4rd3d>  "The reason I banned you is because over the past week or so we have asked you to change your nick on a couple of occasions. "
[22:29] <Tm_T> r00t4rd3d: so you could have talked to some other op, like, me
[22:29] <r00t4rd3d> Thats a false statement.
[22:29] <IdleOne> whatever dude. The ban is sticking.
[22:30] <r00t4rd3d> Tm_T, see how I can discuss anything with him ?
[22:30] <Tm_T> r00t4rd3d: I repeat, so you could have talked to some other op, like, me
[22:31] <r00t4rd3d> well i tried to deal with this with the person who banned me for nothing.
[22:31] <Tm_T> the next step is to come here to discuss with other ops
[22:31] <r00t4rd3d> Well I didnt know that.
[22:31] <Tm_T> you could have asked, right?
[22:33] <r00t4rd3d> I was somewhat irritated at being banned for no reason.
[22:33] <IdleOne> you keep saying there was no reason but you never gave me time to finish telling you my reason
[22:33] <r00t4rd3d>  "The reason I banned you is because over the past week or so we have asked you to change your nick on a couple of occasions. "
[22:34] <r00t4rd3d> what more needs to be said dude ?
[22:34] <IdleOne> if you are going to quote me, quote EVERYTHING I said.
[22:34] <r00t4rd3d> sry
[22:34] <r00t4rd3d> The reason I banned you is because over the past week or so we have asked you to change your nick on a couple of occasions. You refused and we gave you some slack because when you are active in #ubuntu you are helpful.	17:58
[22:34] <r00t4rd3d> IdleOne	
[22:34] <IdleOne> not just the part you think is going to get my ops removed
 I was planning on explaining exactly why I banned him, really the nick name does not bother me that much, more the attitude we have been given since he was asked to change it. I was then going to ask him to be nice towards the ops and try and work with us but he chose not to give me a minute to type (sorry I don't type 120wpm)
[22:35] <Tm_T> this really doesn't matter now I think
[22:35] <mneptok> agreed
[22:35] <mneptok> the behavior on this channel today is of far more concern to me personally.
[22:36] <r00t4rd3d> Sorry I got pissed for kick/ban for a BS reason.
[22:36] <IdleOne> I also said this to you in PM
 ok how about this. stop messaging me. go to the IRCC and complain all you want. I don't care.
 you have proven yourself to be to unstable to be allowed back into #ubuntu with everything you have said to me in private
[22:36] <IdleOne> which is when you bragged to me about already being in there
[22:36] <Tm_T> IdleOne: step back, please
[22:37] <IdleOne> o.k.
[22:37] <r00t4rd3d> I was ruffling your feathers peacock.
[22:38] <Tm_T> r00t4rd3d: I have noticed that you react quite strongly on any of our administrative actions, so I don't think I can allow you back to #ubuntu until I'm confident you're not making more trouble
[22:39] <mneptok> someone who finds enjoyment in deliberately ruffling feathers and trying to provoke responses from people is not a good addition to Ubuntu channels, IMO.
[22:39] <Tm_T> if you wonder why, I can provide several separate reasons, but I'm sure you know this yourself too
[22:40] <r00t4rd3d> You make it sound like Im a problem child you guys have had to deal with me on numerous occasions.
[22:40] <r00t4rd3d> ^and
[22:40] <Tm_T> r00t4rd3d: not a problem child no, just that I think a short vacation would do you good, considering all the heat
[22:42] <Tm_T> r00t4rd3d: sounds fair?
[22:42] <r00t4rd3d> no not really but I dont think thats going to get me any where.
[22:44] <Tm_T> r00t4rd3d: either case, welcome back here to discuss your ban when you are ready to follow our rules, or, if you feel so, you can always appeal to IRCC
[22:44] <r00t4rd3d> Im here dicussing.
[22:44] <Tm_T> we are not going to discuss this further now
[22:44] <r00t4rd3d> I was following the rules till I was unjustly banned.
[22:45] <r00t4rd3d> and nothing but helpful and on topic in #ubuntu
[22:45] <Tm_T> r00t4rd3d: just an example, calling an ops nazis isn't "by the rules"
[22:46] <Tm_T> an excellent example of your recent attitude
[22:47] <r00t4rd3d> I make one off the wall comment and Im not following the rules?
[22:47] <r00t4rd3d> one time.
[22:47] <Tm_T> r00t4rd3d: as I said, it's just an example, there's more of such attitude
[22:47] <r00t4rd3d> Example ?
[22:49] <Tm_T> seriously, this discussion wont be of any use other than wasting time
[22:49] <r00t4rd3d> You dont have anything else. My nickname issue , which was over with , and an off the wall nazi comment. Thats it.
[22:49] <Tm_T> 1950.43 < r00t4rd3d> IdleOne, you fucking little girl
[22:50] <Tm_T> just how many examples do you need?
[22:50] <r00t4rd3d> IdleOne	what a fucking idiot
[22:50] <Tm_T> r00t4rd3d: there's no excuse for bad behaviour
[22:50] <r00t4rd3d> So whats idles punishment ?
[22:50] <Tm_T> that is not discussed now
[22:50] <r00t4rd3d> If you hold to that statement ?
[22:51] <r00t4rd3d> I cant call him dirty names but he can call me dirty names ?
[22:51] <r00t4rd3d> Whats up with that ?
[22:51] <r00t4rd3d> Isnt he suppose to be held to a higher level cause of op status ?
[22:52] <Tm_T> that is not discussed now
[22:52] <r00t4rd3d> sure
[22:52] <r00t4rd3d> No excuse for bad behavior unless your an op. In with the boys.
[22:53] <Tm_T> r00t4rd3d: there's no excuse for bad behaviour, period.
[22:53] <popey> It might be useful if the ops could indeed come up with evidence of bad behaviour in #ubuntu by r00t4rd3d
[22:53] <r00t4rd3d> Please do !
[22:53] <popey> i have just grepped my entire #ubuntu log for r00t4rd3d and I must admit I'm seeing a lot of helpful comments to users
[22:53] <r00t4rd3d> popey, there isnt any ! NONE.
[22:54] <popey> there is the smattering of language like 'piece of shit' and 'crappy computer' when refering to old/dated/slow hardware
[22:54] <r00t4rd3d> I wish you could see my 4 hour pm's with people getting their wireless stuff to work.
[22:54] <Tm_T> popey: actually his behaviour in this channel matters too, I do not count them separate
[22:54] <popey> but a significant amount of help to users as well
[22:54] <popey> I am not suggesting that helping users gives someone carte blanche to trash-talk or abuse the ops
[22:55] <Tm_T> I know
[22:55] <popey> I am not suggesting that Tm_T
[22:55] <popey> just putting another perspective forward
[22:55] <Tm_T> I just don't see a point on discussing this ban further now when the heat is up
[22:55] <r00t4rd3d> All ive done is help and how i am rewarded with that ? Rootarded change your nick.
[22:55] <popey> maybe we could all sleep on it :)
[22:56] <Tm_T> that's what I suggested some time ago I think
[22:56] <Tm_T> if not clearly enough
[22:59] <Tm_T> r00t4rd3d: what if we continue on this after ~48 hour break so both sides have some time to cool off and freshen their minds, it's holiday and all
[22:59] <r00t4rd3d> Thats fine but I think IdleOne should get the same treatment.
[23:00] <popey> thanks.
[23:00] <r00t4rd3d> Thats sounds fair ?
[23:00] <IdleOne> what treatment is that?
[23:00] <r00t4rd3d> a 48 hour break for the fucking idiot comment.
[23:00] <IdleOne> break from what exactly
[23:01] <IdleOne> from you? ok
[23:01] <IdleOne> sounds fair.
[23:02] <Tm_T> IdleOne: please stop
[23:02] <Tm_T> r00t4rd3d: see you in two days then, happy holidays
[23:02] <r00t4rd3d> Okay bye.
[23:03] <IdleOne> 122310-[18:02:58] <r00t4rd3d> night night sweetie :D
[23:03] <Tm_T> IdleOne: you really got to stop making things worse with your comments
[23:03] <IdleOne> right after he left here
[23:03] <popey> +1
[23:04] <Tm_T> I gotta go to sleep now, good night
[23:04]  * Tm_T huggles all
[23:04] <IdleOne> good night Tm_T
[23:46] <tonyyarusso> IdleOne: If I may advise, generally when something degenerates to the point of needing to have a different op converse with the user instead, it is best to only offer additional comments if the other op requests further information - otherwise there was little point in stepping back in the first place, and having two people working different angles gets confusing for everyone.