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* popey wonders what you have to do to incurr virgin throttling00:39
popeyI've been downloading at ~1.5-2MB/s constantly for about 12 hours.00:39
Craig_Dem:(00:40
Craig_Dem8 Meg Bt here.00:41
Craig_DemI want Infinity so badly.00:41
directhexi wonder about infinity00:51
directhexi get 16 down, 1.6 up, unmetered. infinity would mean 40 down, 8 up, with a "fair use" cap of 300 gig, and some unstated traffic shaping00:52
exobuzzdirecthex, note the cap is 300gb of up and down combined also.01:31
neptunedafs02:08
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nigelbMorning folks06:58
nigelbHow did the Christmas party go?06:58
hwwpnhii07:00
daubersMorning09:03
daubersnigelb: Was very good09:03
GreenDanceHi All09:11
GreenDanceI was wondering, apart from performance, why should a server not have a GUI?09:12
nigelbdaubers: \o/09:12
daubersGreenDance: Complexity is one reason I see relativley frequently09:13
AlanBellGreenDance: personally I don't believe performance is a valid reason not to have a GUI on a server09:13
MartijnVdSX has crashed my machine more than anything else09:13
MartijnVdSif I want a server that keeps working, I don't want a gui09:14
AlanBellhaving stuff to update that isn't being used much is a reasonable reason09:14
GreenDanceAlanBell: so a GUI on a server is ok?09:15
* popey looks at a list of hundreds of servers here where they all have x09:15
AlanBellOK by me09:15
popeyand performance is not even remotely a reason09:15
AlanBellother opinions are available09:15
MartijnVdSpopey: I'm not saying nobody should, I'm saying I wouldn't :)09:15
popeysure :)09:15
popeypersonal preference09:15
AlanBellI wouldn't stick 3d drivers on it or anything like that09:16
popeyi suspect that x crashing isnt a good enough reason either MartijnVdS09:16
AlanBellwhen logged out GDM takes hardly any resources09:16
MartijnVdSAlanBell: "It's a UNIX system, I know this!"09:16
popeyheh09:16
popeycue girl holding mouse like an idiot09:16
MartijnVdSpopey: unless it takes the whole system with it09:16
popeyno, you miss the point09:17
popeythe reason x crashes on the desktop, you wouldn't do the same things on the server09:17
popeye.g. running evolution, gnome panel etc09:17
GreenDancepopey: i'm supprised x crashes?09:17
GreenDancepopey: I thought X was stable?09:17
MartijnVdSGreenDance: it's software. It has bugs.09:17
popeyGreenDance: i never said it wasnt stable09:17
dauberspopey: You say that... one reason I had someone tout ast me for not having a GUI was so people couldn't do that09:18
AlanBellX is pretty stable, 3d drives when stressed can sometimes be an issue09:18
GreenDancepopey: i know, i just thought from browsing site, reading docs, i thought x was stable09:18
popeydefine stable09:18
popey"doesn't crash ever" - not true09:19
popey"crashes less often than is annoying" - more true09:19
GreenDancepopey: something that doesn't crash09:19
popeynothing doesn't crash ever09:19
AlanBellif you want a gui so you can run a few terminal windows and gedit and a browser to look up documents and stuff when you need to fix things then go for it09:19
diploHave a gui also adds more security risks, as there is more to exploit, not that it's really an issue but it's another layer of complexity09:19
popeyI'm currently running x on a 12 way opteron box (vnc)09:19
popeywe use vnc here heavily09:19
popeybecause many server linux apps require a gui09:20
popeyand whilst we could use remote x, we tend to use vnc so people can easily share sessions09:20
diploI wish there we're more apps like rapache for linux, a remote gui to connect tolinuxboxes09:21
GreenDancediplo: mentioned a gui can be exploited?09:23
daubersI've often wondered why bits of software don't have an admin tcp channel, so you could run the gui admin app from your desktop sending all the config over tcp (preferably through some secure channel like ssh)09:23
diploNo, I'm saying that it's another layer of security risks, you get more levels of exploits as you have more applications running.09:24
bigcalmMorning peeps09:24
GreenDancewithout a GUI is the core-os rock solid?09:24
diploLess programs running you don't need the less stuff to be checked for security ( updates etc ) as popey said it's not the be all, we don't run them to save ourselves another layer of issues.09:24
diploAs rock as your are going to get, with it's still stable.. it's preference as others have put it already09:25
diploWe do run some servers with GUI, but if i'm installing it I rarely do install GUI09:25
AlanBellalso depends a bit on what other machines are about09:25
diploI'm quite happy with ssh and vi09:25
popeyyeah, entirely depends on who the admin is09:26
GreenDancewho the admin is?09:26
popeyas to whether you have a gui or not09:26
GreenDance<- me09:26
GreenDanceoh09:26
popeyi.e. the people here have a gui, i dont09:26
GreenDancei understand :)09:26
AlanBellhttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-1205996909:34
AlanBellwhat a great tradition to bring to the UK for next year I feel09:34
MartijnVdSthat was on QI once09:35
bigcalmOh dear09:36
MartijnVdShttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJxHHP-aTOc09:36
AlanBellwifey says we can't get a Caganer :(09:48
daubersAlanBell: heh, you've been told!09:48
* daubers makes a new branch of some code09:48
bigcalmThis is one of the disadvantages of being in any co-habitation relationship ;)09:49
kazademorning all09:55
bigcalmEvening09:55
kazadebigcalm, I'm so hungover that I just looked out the window to check..09:56
bigcalmHeh09:56
kazademy first thought was "is it?"09:56
bigcalmAfter last night's meal, I wont need to eat until Saturday09:57
bigcalmSpeaking of which, I need to send my boss the bill09:57
danfishmorning10:06
danfishbigcalm now has a bigtummy ;)10:06
MartijnVdSdanfish: pregnancy?10:07
bigcalmI think I'm close to the due date10:07
danfishMartijnVdS: hah10:07
bigcalmdanfish: I now have a bigger tummy10:08
bigcalmI had 2 pints of EPA last night. I've never had such bad gas, and it's still going on10:09
popeylovely10:09
danfishmy wife won't let me drink certain ales due to the same reason10:09
bigcalmpopey: even I'm worried10:09
bigcalmI think I'll stick to Spitfire10:10
danfishthere's a list on the kitchen noticeboard10:10
bigcalmHah10:10
bigcalma10:10
kazadewhat... the...10:28
kazadelistening to the podcast..10:28
kazadeit just turned into Jackanory10:28
popey:)10:28
popeyIt's panto season!10:29
selinuxiummorning all   o/10:29
kazadepopey, I see..10:29
kazade:p10:29
bigcalmIt's amusing if a little cheesy in places :)10:29
dwatkinsOh no it isn't...10:29
popey#blametony10:29
kazadeit's actually pretty good..10:29
kazade:)10:29
popeyexcept my dodgy accent10:29
kazadeloving the voice of the cow ;)10:29
popeywe're getting a lot of comments about the cow10:29
AlanBellthats no goose10:32
m4r35n357help - authentication failure at login screen, recovery mode needs a root password - is there a way in?10:35
m4r35n357I think this is going to be quite tricky if not impossible . . . .10:36
popeythe default behaviour doesn't ask for a password10:36
popeyhave you set a root password?10:36
m4r35n357no, I am worried that something is broken10:36
m4r35n357no optical disk, system won't boot from USB10:37
popeyjust boot to grub, press escape or hold shift to get the menu, highlight the first line and press 'e' to edit, go down to the 'kernel' line, e to edit, and at the end of the line add "rw init=/bin/bash" (without quotes)10:37
popeywhich will boot you to a shell10:37
popeywhere you can diagnose the issue10:38
m4r35n357aha, I remember now, thanks!10:38
daubersOr just change the password10:38
m4r35n357forgot the init= option10:38
daubersUsing popeys method10:38
m4r35n357OK off to try it now . . . . .10:38
popey...10:39
m4r35n357OK, now in as root thanks!  Need to investigate hat happened . . .10:41
m4r35n357really thx a lot !!!10:41
popeynp10:41
m4r35n357hmm, the /etc/shadow file is empty!  there is a shadow- file but the filesystem is read only so I can't copy it across.  Shame I can't boot a live USB, don't have a spare machine to put the disk into, I think it's time to get a new machine10:47
screen-xmorning :)10:49
screen-xSo how are we all?10:51
popeym4r35n357: did you do rw in the boot line as I suggested?10:55
m4r35n357took out the "ro" in the kernel line in Grub, still can't copy shadow- to shadow (not even sure if it's the right thing to do!) as the filesystem is apparently still read-only despite /proc/mounts reporting rw10:55
popeyremount rw?10:56
m4r35n357i'll try putting an expicit rw in (missed it the first time)10:56
m4r35n357can you remind me of the remount command please - I forgot most of this stuff years ago ;)10:56
davmor2morning all10:57
screen-xmorning davmor210:57
* davmor2 prods czajkowski till her wakes up and gets on irc, pretending she has a life in the really world10:58
popeymount -no remount,rw /10:58
m4r35n357popey, cheers, actually putting the explicit rw in the kernel line has restored write access (still grateful for the remount command though) - now to see if I can fix mu user login10:59
popeyhello alangridge :)11:00
davmor2popey: aq's brother?11:02
kazadedoh, just found redstone ore for the first time in Minecraft - only to destroy it with a stone pickaxe :/11:05
popeyhah11:05
kazadeI thought it was taking a while to break :(11:05
imexilpopey, just listening to latest episode. I guess other have suggested this before, but you should look at LastPass.com11:05
nperryOdd, starting steam from terminal fails but opening it from menu doesn't11:05
popeyi finally managed to build a portal to the netherworld11:05
kazadepopey, I can never find anything but gravel and cobblestone11:06
popeyimexil: I'm using that now :)11:06
nperryexactly the same line :s11:06
imexil:)11:06
popeykazade: dig down :)11:06
kazadeI did for fecking miles..11:06
popeyhehe11:06
kazadethen I found a cave with some lava and a piece of redstone ore11:06
popeywish I could make my world available on a server11:06
kazadewhich I mutilated11:06
kazadeI've just realized that I can sync my .minecraft folder on Ubuntu one :D11:06
popeyi sync mine on dropbox :)11:07
kazadealso, I've patched my minecraft.jar with 64x64 textures11:07
kazadelooks awesome11:07
popeyi come in on a monday morning and my laptop says "30327 files synced" :)11:07
screen-xuh-oh11:07
kazadepopey, this is what mine looks like: http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=9756111:08
kazadewell, the textures at least11:08
* kazade just realizes you can build ladders... no wonder it took me ages to dig down!11:09
kazadeI should really read the wiki11:09
popeynice11:09
popeyheh11:09
nperryAnyone able to log into skype?11:14
nperryCan't seem to for some reason11:15
nperryAh good is my friend :)11:15
popeywfm :)11:18
bigcalmYesterday afternoon was quiet with skype being down :)11:25
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m4r35n357oh well, looks like a lost cause - I can restore shadow from its backup, but on next reboot it is empty again,  I suspect a disk fault, although fsck -f -n reports no problems and ./lost+found is empty11:38
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popey:S11:42
selinuxiumIs it worth trying unity on 10.10?11:48
popeyno11:48
popeynext question?11:48
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bigcalm;)11:48
selinuxiumpopey, :)11:49
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selinuxiumpopey, Is that just against unity or is it a bag of bolts on 10.10?11:49
popeyI have yet to have a good experience with unity11:50
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bigcalmSVN repo view in trac, looking at the ages just now. branches: 6 weeks, tags: 6 months, trunk: 6 minutes12:01
bigcalmI'm easily amused12:01
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kazadepopey, does gravel have any useful purpose in Minecraft?12:10
davmor2kazade: Yes I'm just not telling you what muhahahahahahahahahaha!12:12
kazadedavmor2, :(12:12
davmor2kazade: have a look on the wikipedia minecraft page there is a big listing there of what is what12:13
kazadeyeah, I did... but gravel looked useless on there, I just wanted to clarify ;)12:13
kazadegrr, hit close instead of minimize12:14
nperryOh virtualbox 412:21
selinuxiumpopey, is that because of the paradigm shift or it just doesn't function as intended?12:30
m4r35n357popey, fixed my login (well I still think there is a hw fault but I've bought a bit of time)12:44
m4r35n357moved /etc/shadow to another area of disk, then restoring itfrom /etc/shadow- worked after a reboot12:45
m4r35n357so the original location must be faulty (not nice I know)12:45
m4r35n357so thanks again for the recovery pointers12:45
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* gonzogeographer wakes12:50
* screen-x offers gonzogeographer some coffee12:52
* gonzogeographer offers thanks for the hot black stuff12:55
screen-xits like everyone is on holiday or something..13:35
* bigcalm is still at work13:36
bigcalmTomorrow off though :)13:37
bigcalmThen bugger all until the 4th13:37
bigcalmPoor GF has to work for a couple of days next week though :(13:37
* screen-x is working tomorrow morning, and inbetween bank holidays13:37
screen-xmostly because I used up all my annual leave sailing earlier on in the year :D13:38
bigcalmBoss is closing the company for the holidays. I have no choice...13:39
bigcalmThough, I do work from home. So could carry on working13:39
bigcalmDon't think my GF would like that though13:39
bigcalmCoor, look at the time. LUNCH!13:40
screen-xlunch!? you've missed the boat on that, its almost time for afternoon tea13:41
bigcalmI should wrap GF's presents really...13:50
directhexWRAPPING TIME!13:50
* screen-x beatboxes13:54
dennyhttps://iamclu.deviantart.com/#/d35f9dc  # Tron tube map  :)13:55
screen-xtron room at ice hotel: http://www.curatedmag.com/news/2010/12/10/tron-inspired-room-at-ice-hotel/13:55
screen-xI was there yesterday :)13:56
dennyooooooh13:56
dennyshineh  :)13:56
AlanBellwow13:56
* AlanBell would like to go there one day13:56
screen-xAlanBell: it is awesome...13:56
AlanBellso what was the occasion?13:57
screen-xJust visiting Sweden really.13:58
AlanBelldid you stay there?13:58
screen-xone night in the ice hotel, in a "snow room" rather than an "art suite" such as the tron room, but during the day you can wonder round and have a look at all the rooms.13:58
AlanBellawesome13:59
screen-xthey recommend you only wear one layer of clothing in their sleeping bags, it works well. I was warm despite ambient temp of -5.14:00
* AlanBell downloads Natty daily14:06
popeywhat, every day!14:07
popey*chortle*14:08
screen-xhaha14:08
AlanBelloh popey you are so sharp you will cut yourself14:08
popeybazinga!14:08
davmor2AlanBell: Gdm doesn't seem to be working after the latest updates14:08
* AlanBell isn't scared14:09
screen-xYay, my wife has a interview for transferring to TVU in london, may be able to escape wales and make next years Christmas Party :)14:09
popeyquick! move the party to wales!14:09
screen-x:p14:09
screen-xThere are other advantages to moving east..14:10
gonzogeographerCardiff?14:18
MartijnVdSscreen-x: "Escape from Wales", sounds like a nice movie title :)14:19
screen-xgonzogeographer: yeah14:19
screen-xcan anyone remember the vnstat switch to initialise an interface, I'm reading the man page but it isn't jumping out at me.14:24
popeyheh14:25
popeyhttp://www.debian-administration.org/articles/33014:25
popeyfirst hit for "vnstat initialise database"14:25
popeyvnstat -u -i <device>14:25
dwatkinsI must be tired, I read that as vmstat14:26
screen-xheh, I suppose I should have googled... thanks popey14:26
popeynp14:27
* popey hugs vnstat14:27
screen-xspot the welsh atlas probe :) http://atlas.ripe.net/14:34
Ferbhi14:52
Ferbthis channel is quiet today14:55
AlanBellhi Phineas14:57
Laneyho ho hollo14:57
Ferbxmas eve tomorrow14:57
Ferbcant wait till xmas14:58
nperryWow, world of goo is awesome14:58
davmor2nperry: it's not awesome but it is as addictive as hell :D14:59
Ferbis it for android?15:00
MartijnVdSit's for Mac, Windows, Linux15:00
MartijnVdSthey have debs15:00
Ferbis it online?15:00
MartijnVdSno, you install it15:00
nperrydavmor2: I would say awesome :P15:00
MartijnVdSyou can buy it online15:00
Ferbdoes it work on mac odd 10.3? does it need an internet connection to work?15:01
MartijnVdSFerb: http://2dboy.com/games.php15:01
screen-xmmm panther15:02
Ferbhttp request was interrupted by host15:04
directhexgames work on 10.3?15:04
Ferbyeah , badaboom15:05
Ferbto name but a few15:06
FerbBadaboom is one if them15:06
directhexosx didn't even get graphics drivers capable of throwing more than a couple of dozen polygons around a screen until 10.6.415:06
MartijnVdSdirecthex: like Linux!15:06
directhexMartijnVdS, i'd rather use linux from a few years ago than macos from a few years ago for 3d15:07
* Ferb boots his mac running 10.315:07
Ferbit works, it boots15:08
Ferband its ready15:09
FerbI'll prove you wrong about graphic dirivers15:10
FerbI just got Badaboom to run15:12
Ferbthats in 10.315:12
Ferba bit laggy tho15:13
directhexbadaboom the nvidia GPU-based media encoder for windows?15:15
Ferbthat proves you guys wrong15:15
Ferbnope the game15:16
Ferbbadaboom is a game as well, thats what I managed to run15:17
directhexthe flash-based puzzle game?15:17
Ferbthe full version of it15:18
Ferbyeah the flash one. the dull version15:18
matti:>15:18
directhexthe full version of a 2d, flash-based puzzle game from 200415:18
directhexthat's your demonstration of the awesome gaming powers of mac os x 10.3, from... 200315:19
* AlanBell thinks directhex isn't fully impressed just yet15:19
directhexAlanBell, i'd love to hear how well left 4 dead runs15:20
Ferbnot quite one more game to try15:20
AlanBellis it minesweeper?15:20
mattiAlanBell: :))15:20
directhexAlanBell, which is a facetious request, because the game will outright not run on less than 10.6.4, which is the first release where apple completely rewrote their graphics drivers, because valve demonstrated they were completely unusable for gaming15:20
popeyMinecraft!15:20
Ferbno, Tico15:21
AzelphurMy HTC Desire Z arrived :D15:21
* popey googles15:21
popeywow, too many buttons15:21
Azelphurpopey: on the HTC desire z?15:21
popeyya15:21
Azelphurpopey: just the way I like it :D15:22
FerbTick runs smoothly on the same mac15:22
directhextico the tetris clone?15:23
Ferbyep15:23
popeythrow away your xbox!15:23
directhexyou know these are things that should be smooth on a 486-dx2 66mhz, right?15:23
directhexscratch that. a cyrix clone of a 486-dx2 66mhz15:24
Ferbbadaboom is not very smoo15:25
popeymy first pc was an 8086 Epson with mono only graphics15:25
popeyin fact mono text only15:25
popeyI _upgraded_ to hercules 720x576 graphics card !15:26
Ferbthe max even runs garageband15:26
Ferbbut the hdd is noisy15:26
directhexpopey, we didn't get a pc until late '9415:27
FerbI didn't get a pc until windows 9515:27
directhexwindows 95 is on the cusp of old enough to have had to jump through *proper* hoops to play games.15:28
popey1988 I think I got my pc15:31
mattipopey: I was 4 years old in 1988 :)15:34
dutchiei was -4 :)15:34
mattiHehe15:34
Ferbare hard drives ment to be loud15:35
Ferb?15:38
AlanBellyes, get an SSD if you don't like it15:38
screen-xFerb: yeah, I wear ear defenders when using my laptop15:39
* AlanBell isn't having fun installing natty15:39
screen-xAlanBell: but you sounded so excited about it earlier!15:39
Azelphurwtf, according to the speedtest.net app on android I'm getting 26kbps down and 2596kbps up15:40
Azelphurwhat is this madness :S15:40
Ferbtick tick tick squeek tick tick tick15:40
screen-xAzelphur: I think there is a version of iperf for android15:41
screen-xAzelphur: that should give you a more sensible measurement15:41
Ferbthats what I hear15:41
Azelphurscreen-x: fun15:41
AzelphurI think it's accurate though, I keep having network problems and can't load things :s15:42
screen-xWaffle Phineas Ferb, I'm loosing track of your reincarnations15:42
screen-xAzelphur: :(15:42
screen-xAzelphur: mtr?15:42
Azelphurscreen-x: on android? lol15:43
directhexhard disk noise is related to the speed, and the model, and the age.15:43
* Ferb starts reading Garfields twetith anniversary collection15:43
AlanBellright now for me the natty alternate works in virtualbox but is a total fail on real hardware15:43
screen-xAzelphur: ahh is it the 3g connection your having issues with?15:43
directhexand the insulation in your case15:43
Azelphurscreen-x: yea15:44
AlanBelldoesn't get to the installer menu, just an unthemed grub menu15:44
directhexi rarely hear my hard disks in motion15:44
Azelphurwoa, that's some innovative design15:44
screen-xAzelphur: ?15:44
Azelphur"FM Radio: You need a headset to work as an antenna. Please plug in your headset and try again"15:44
screen-xheh15:44
Azelphurwhen you run out of room on the inside ;)15:44
AlanBellAzelphur: I have a few devices that use headphones as an antenna15:45
popeyevery single battery operated portable radio of the size of a mobile phone (including mobile phones) have done that for years15:45
Azelphurhehe, new to me15:45
popeyit's not room15:45
popeyyou don't want one of those silver telescopic antennas sticking out of your phone15:46
popeyretro15:46
AzelphurI suppose not :)15:46
Ferbha ha thats funny15:46
popeymight be funny :)15:46
Azelphuractually that'd be kinda cool.15:46
screen-xpopey: I heard you had yours wrapped round the edge?15:46
popeyscreen-x: nope, no fm in an iphone :p15:46
popeyFM is deprecated, didn't you hear? :)15:46
screen-xwell the aerial anyway...15:46
Azelphurhehe indeed15:46
screen-xYeah free up FM spectrum for something more useful :)15:47
AzelphurI need to root this so I can remove all the HTC bloat ware15:47
* hamitron hasn't moved off MW yet :/15:47
Azelphurthere's quite a bit of crud in here15:47
screen-xsense?15:47
popeyho ho ho15:47
Ferbno the book I am reading is funny15:47
popeywelcome to android15:47
Azelphurscreen-x: yea15:47
Azelphurpopey: android isn't bloated, htc sense is ;)15:47
popeyits an android phone15:47
popeyit's sold as an andoird phone15:48
Azelphur:p15:48
popeyhence my comment "welcome to android" was appropriate15:48
Azelphurstill probably gonna put cyanogen on it15:48
hamitronis there a phone you can realistically roll out your own install?15:48
popeyyes15:48
screen-xthe freerunner doesn't count15:49
Azelphurhamitron: you can with android, everyone does it15:49
popeyhamitron: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner15:49
popey:)15:49
popeywhy screen-x ?15:49
Azelphurlol15:49
screen-xpopey: mostly because I've never seen one.15:49
popeyi have15:50
popeyused one for a while15:50
popeyi think I made maybe two successful phone calls on it15:50
Ferbonce again thats funny15:50
screen-xpopey: \o/ ?15:50
hamitronsub £150 phone? ;/15:50
Azelphurlol I'm testing flash15:51
popeyscreen-x: two successful phone calls over a month period does not make a good phone15:51
* Azelphur smiles at popey15:51
* Azelphur runs15:51
screen-xpopey: no.15:51
screen-xI suck at sarcasm in real life, so shouldn't even attempt it in irc..15:51
hamitronat least nobody uses a phone for phone calls now? just a toy...15:51
dwatkinsAzelphur: what are you testing flahs on and for, I'm curious.15:51
Azelphurdwatkins: android phone15:52
screen-xflash is the only way to get iplayer on android :(15:52
* popey looks at the logs on his phone to see how much he uses it for phone calls15:52
Azelphurdwatkins: I tested it with http://gprime.net/flash.php/youareapirate it worked :p15:52
Ferbandroid phone = my phone15:52
Azelphursmooth too15:52
popey20 hours since I have owned the phone15:52
screen-xheh 11 hours 50 since I've owned mine.15:53
hamitronI reset mine too often to know :/15:53
* dutchie needs to train his mother not to throw hard disks around while she is hoovering :(15:54
hamitronI'd guess maybe 5 mins per year15:54
dwatkinsAzelphur: heh, it proves audio works and playback is an acceptable framerate15:54
Azelphurdwatkins: indeed :)15:54
dwatkinsI was torn between the HTC Desire HD and Z, but decided that at flip-out keyboard is liable to break in my hands15:54
Ferb57 to 80 whats the difference15:54
screen-xdutchie: don't leave them on the floor?15:55
Azelphurright I'm done with the easy stuff, lets give it something challenging to do15:55
* Azelphur breaks out psx4droid15:55
hamitronor do the hoovering yourself? ;)15:55
screen-xhamitron: that was my next suggestion :)15:55
dutchiescreen-x: you'd think that would work, wouldn't you15:56
diplopopey, did you order that HP deal ?15:56
popeyi did15:56
popey5 of them15:56
screen-xhaha popey just can't resist a deal15:56
diploOne for yourself ?15:56
screen-xwhat was it?15:56
diploIm guessing not 5 for home :D15:56
popey:)15:57
popeyhp microserver15:57
diploDebating about creidt carding one, and wondering initial thoughts ?15:57
popeyhttp://www.it247.com/product/1/XXHSUK23/612275-421-HP-ProLiant-MicroServer-Dual-Core-1-3Ghz-AMD-Athlon-II.html15:57
Ferbone for me as well15:57
diploIt's exactly what I have been looking for15:57
popeytis a nice bit of kit15:57
diploQuiet ?15:57
popeyhttp://www.techhead.co.uk/new-hp-proliant-microserver-a-decent-vsphere-lab-server-candidate15:57
popeyyes15:57
diploDebating leaving in my front room is all15:58
diplo:)15:58
hamitronerm15:58
screen-xoptional remote access card -- sounds interesting15:58
hamitron£112?15:58
dutchieow, my eyes15:59
dutchienatwest have sent me an html-only email containing no whitespace/newlines15:59
screen-xand you are reading it in mutt?15:59
popeyhamitron: ya16:01
FerbI am16:01
popeyhamitron: not a bad deal for a little server with 1GB RAM and a 160GB disk16:01
dutchiescreen-x: yes16:01
dutchiefortunately, the subject line contains sufficient information to make the body redundant16:02
screen-xUseless hp page doesn't tell you what the remote access card is/does: http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/uk/en/sm/WF06c/A1-329290-439740-241590-241590-4275610-4275612.html16:02
hamitrongrrrr, so tempted... even though I just replaced everything with a Netgear ReadyNAS16:02
hamitroncould be a seperate toy :)16:02
screen-xhamitron: or buy me one instead16:02
popeyi am using it as a remote backup tool16:02
popeyit's backing up popey.com, ubuntu-uk.org and all of lug.org.uk :)16:03
hamitronI'd probably run distcc on it16:03
hamitron;)16:03
screen-xpopey: are you planning to hide them in the cupboards of various family members?16:03
popeyheh16:03
hamitronbeats the pants off my K6-216:03
popeyits a cracking little box16:04
popeyhttp://popey.com/~alan/hpmicroserver/16:04
popeyfor the geeks :)16:04
GreenDanceI am currently building a custom ubuntu, it's still ubuntu, just with some extra programs, i thought about releasing it, but wondered if it world be worth it, or should i just keep it to myself?16:04
popeyno16:04
popeyyes16:04
screen-xGreenDance: you could put a metapackage in a ppa if you felt like it16:05
GreenDancescreen-x: what's one of them please?16:05
screen-xGreenDance: my understanding is that it's a package that doesn't install anything, it just exists to depend on stuff.16:06
popeye.g. ubuntu-desktop16:06
popey!info ubuntu-desktop16:06
lubotu3ubuntu-desktop (source: ubuntu-meta): The Ubuntu desktop system. In component main, is optional. Version 1.207 (maverick), package size 31 kB, installed size 60 kB16:06
popeynote the size16:07
popeyV V V small, it just pulls in loads of other packages16:07
screen-xGreenDance: so you create a package that depends on everything you need, then on a new box you only have to install one package, which drags in everything else.16:07
GreenDance:o16:07
GreenDancewow16:07
GreenDancethank you16:07
GreenDancethat sounds perfect16:07
popey:)16:07
popey\o/ win16:07
* selinuxium hadn't thought of doing that...16:08
* GreenDance runs to google to try find a tutorial on how to start :D16:08
* Ferb is readinf16:09
Ferbreading16:09
GreenDancescreen-x / popey : can you recommend any tutorial(s)?16:12
popeyfor what?16:12
* popey tickles bjwebb 16:13
bjwebbhi16:13
GreenDancepopey: metapackage in a ppa16:13
popeyoh16:13
GreenDance:)16:13
popeyhttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/MetaPackages16:14
AlanBellbother, natty alpha 1 desktop doesn't work eithere16:16
popey"doesn't work" :)16:16
hamitronpopey: does tat proliant support wake-on-lan?16:17
popeyyes16:18
hamitroncool :)16:18
hamitronyou have just cost me some more money16:18
hamitron;/16:18
ubuntuuk-planet[Ralph Janke] Only 4% of People Think Patents Drive Innovation - http://drupal.txwikinger.me.uk/content/only-4-people-think-patents-drive-innovation16:19
davmor2hamitron: It also has impi support depending on the model iirc16:22
davmor2hamitron: ipmi even16:22
Ferbblimy this book is long16:25
AlanBellpopey: I had an old iso of alpha1 which hangs on an aufs error16:31
AlanBellthis was apparently fixed later16:31
Ferbthis book is funny, funny doodles16:33
* AlanBell sometimes reads books that have no pictures at all16:34
Ferblike the doodle of Odie with underwhere on his head16:35
Ferbthats funny16:35
GreenDancepopey: i guess creating a meta-package isn't as simple as a batch file?16:35
popeyits not hard16:35
popeyFerb: please stop16:35
FerbI am only reading a book16:36
AlanBellif I do a clean install of 10.10 then put in the 11.04 alternate CD I should be able to do an upgrade right?16:41
popeyFerb: we know16:41
popeyyes16:41
* GreenDance hit the wall with google16:50
* Ferb hit his head on the wakl16:52
Ferbwall16:52
davmor2I hope everyone moshes to the 1979 Christmas number one16:52
* czajkowski stabs davmor2 16:54
* Ferb stopps the attack16:54
* davmor2 gives czajkowski a glass of christmas cheer16:54
czajkowskibeen shopping all day16:55
czajkowskievil shopping16:55
Ferbgood shopping if its in a tech store16:56
davmor2czajkowski: I was shopping for about an hour, It's amazing to me how quickly you can get in and out when you look angry enough :)16:57
GreenDancepopey: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MetaPackages doesn't seem to be of much use as there isn't a step-by-step :(16:57
* Ferb stops reading and joins in16:58
daubersNO MORE WORK TILL NEXT YEAR!!! (Except emergency stuff...)17:04
* Ferb feels ignored17:05
Ferbdaubers, that is good news17:05
* Ferb turns into Odie17:06
GreenDancedaubers: what is your line of work? :)17:06
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daubersGreenDance: Company builds storage servers, so if someones server has issues I may need to fix it17:08
GreenDancedaubers: hardware technican, cool, can I join your job :D.17:08
daubersGreenDance: Hah! General oddjob man really. Hardware/software/support blah blah blah17:10
daubersThats my job17:10
Odiegood news guys, I sorta fixed my capacitors in my pc17:10
GreenDance:)17:10
Odienow it sometimes boots17:12
Odieand other times it beeps vigorously at me17:13
Mezpopeycam is frozen, or in another timezone...17:14
Mezhttp://popey.com/webcam/17:14
dutchieMez: maybe it hasn't changed sufficiently to trigger an update17:14
Mezpopey: is your snow actually melting ?17:14
GreenDancewhat's the difference between a metapkg and a batch file?17:15
dutchiebut then i suppose it ought to have got dark17:15
Mezdutchie: i'm fairly sure that it going dark should be enough change?17:15
MezGreenDance: I don't know, what's the difference between a metapkg and a batch file?17:15
hamitronno HP ProLiant Microserver for me :(17:15
GreenDanceMez: I don't know, that's why I was asking?17:16
MezGreenDance: oh, I thought it was the setup for a joke.,17:16
GreenDanceMez: no, :p17:16
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Odiegruff gruff17:26
Odiethats hello in dog17:27
* Odie is a dog to human, human to dog translator17:29
MartijnVdSwoof17:30
MezOdie - I can get that on my phone.17:30
Odiewoof woof17:31
OdieMea, really?17:31
Mezhttp://www.google.co.uk/intl/en/landing/translateforanimals/17:31
Odiemez17:31
MezOdie: see above link.17:33
GreenDancepopey:17:39
OdieMez, thats quite cool how do I get it?17:39
Odie?17:42
GreenDanceI'm going to give up on creating a meta package, a batch file is far easier17:44
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brobostigonevening all.18:36
_Hanyone know if lidl do soya milk?18:38
_Hdon't bother18:39
_Hthey do but its got milk/dairy in it18:39
_Hsorry aunty google knew18:39
_H:o18:39
brobostigon:(18:39
brobostigonsoya milk, with dairy, doesntwork for us whohave dairy allergies.18:39
_Hhttp://www.babyandbump.com/general-chatter/57996-lidl-soya-milk-beware.html18:40
brobostigon_H: thats awfull to see.18:42
_Hyup18:56
ali1234the new adsense interface is blocked by adblock plus19:16
ubuntuuk-planet[Ralph Janke] Mastercard Taking on Functions of Courts? - http://drupal.txwikinger.me.uk/content/mastercard-taking-functions-courts19:19
MartijnVdShttp://feedproxy.google.com/~r/FakeScience/~3/Ua67FtxseW4/243396522720:02
popeyevening all20:28
MartijnVdShi popey20:28
bigcalmMorning20:29
* MartijnVdS hands bigcalm a proper time zone20:29
bigcalmI've made a mob factory and grinder. Damn slow though20:29
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MartijnVdSbigcalm: sounds very Godfather/Scarface/etc.20:31
popeybigcalm:  a mob factory?20:32
bigcalmpopey: Several layers in total darkness. Canals to ferry them toward a lava grinder20:33
popeyhaha20:33
MartijnVdSah minecrack :)20:33
popeyscreenshot and or screencast STAT!20:33
bigcalmThere are plenty of youtube videos, but I'll see what I can do20:33
popeylink me up20:33
popey(as they say)20:33
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bigcalmpopey: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQPdWBshRXg is an example20:41
=== YaManicKill is now known as mtah
popeywow20:45
=== mtah is now known as yamanickill
bigcalmYeah20:45
=== yamanickill is now known as mtah
bigcalmMine is not that quick20:45
bigcalmBut I have lots of TNT now ;)20:45
popeyi so need to do that20:46
=== mtah is now known as YaManicKill
bigcalmWhat's a good screen cast prog for windows so I can tape this?20:46
popeycamtasia?20:46
* popey gets wifey to get him a mouse so he can craft as he watches telly20:47
bigcalmThat does look feature rick20:47
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bigcalmThat's what wifies are for20:48
=== fabsh is now known as YaManicKill
popeyYaManicKill: you might want to stop that20:48
YaManicKillooops...sorry, forgot it happens in here as well :-P20:54
YaManicKillwe were having too much fun over in #linuxoutlaws20:55
YaManicKilli apologise...20:55
AzelphurYaManicKill: reminds me of the time me and a bunch of people on gamesurge decided to change our names to common words like "and" "it" "or" and then shout at people for highlighting us :p20:58
YaManicKillhaha, yeah :-P funny20:59
bigcalmCan you upload a .camrec file to youtube?21:12
AzelphurMattJ: XMPP \o/, Is it possible for me to use spectrum with Google talk XMPP somehow?21:12
MattJXMPP \o/21:12
Azelphurthe android XMPP clients I've seen so far arn't exactly on par with the built in one21:12
MattJIndeed they aren't yet21:13
MattJRegistering with the transport in a normal client and then using it in the Android client /might/ work, but speak to the Spectrum folks21:13
MattJGoogle had a bug in their server and a bug in the Android client that made things unhappy21:13
MattJand they weren't inclined to fix them last I knew, because it's not a use case they officially support :)21:14
Azelphurhaha21:14
SuperMattLOTS OF HILIGHTS FROM MATTJ21:14
ubuntuuk-planet[Ralph Janke] Was 2010 Really a Big Year for Linux? - http://drupal.txwikinger.me.uk/content/was-2010-really-big-year-linux21:19
palnHello people!!!!!!!!!!21:22
brobostigonshwmae paln21:23
_HFrohe Weihnachten to all :)21:24
brobostigonschone weihnachten _H :)21:25
_HDankja21:25
brobostigonDanke*21:25
_Hoh... ok21:25
_Hsorry21:25
andylockranho ho ho (wdy, wdy, wdy)21:26
andylockranthat's my special christmas greetung21:26
brobostigon_H: no worries, i lived ten years in germany, while i was teenage years, when mydad was working there,21:26
palnlol21:26
palnoh, sum guy on Facebook, said that xmas is "feliz navi-dead" to him, if you get me21:27
_Hhttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1088872/Man-celebrates-Christmas-day-scaling-celebrations-credit-crunch.html21:29
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bigcalmpopey: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-Igdh9EZOo # quality is a bit crappy though22:45
jacobw_H: sad man :(22:46
_HI make no judgements, but understand xmas may have been the only true happy time in his young life....22:47
jacobwi think he'd save money with a nut roast instead of turkey everyday22:59
popeyjacobw: / _H the guy is clearly lying23:15
popeyhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andy_Park_(Mr._Christmas) confirms it23:15
* _H feels happy/warm as it's -9 not -1623:16
jacobwits a catch 22, if he does celebrate xmas everyday, he's nutcase, if doesn't and wants people to think he does.. he's still a nutcase23:18
hamitronsteve balmer just pressed the red button and my windows install broke :/23:20
hamitronmerry xmas me23:21
hamitronis there any reason 10.04 seems slower than 8.04?23:27
hamitron:/23:27
hamitronnew version boots faster ofc23:27
brobostigonnos da, sleep well.23:59

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