[02:33]  * Cheri703 is bored and should be doing productive things, but doesn't want to :/
[02:33] <Cheri703> as usual
[02:42] <dmcglone> Hiya all
[02:44] <canthus13> dmcglone: good $TIME_OF_DAY
[02:45] <dmcglone> I just received my first docx file, I haven't tried to open it yet. I hope I can
[02:45] <canthus13> I have trouble with docx files at work. on windows.
[02:46] <dmcglone> Ha! linux is the bomb!!! Ooo.org opened it like a piece of cake
[02:46] <canthus13> Heh.
[02:47] <dmcglone> And I thought docx wasn't supported in Linux
[02:47] <Cheri703> hey dmcglone
[02:48] <dmcglone> Hi Cheri703 how ya doing?
[02:48] <Unit193> Hello dmcglone
[02:48] <Unit193> docx doesn't work the best in OO.o but it does work
[02:48] <dmcglone> Hiya Unit19
[02:48] <Cheri703> I'm doing alright
[02:49] <dmcglone> Unit193 it's working over here in Ubuntu 10.10
[02:49] <dmcglone> how did your meeting go Cheri703
[02:49] <Unit193> docx writing is where it fails
[02:49] <Cheri703> I emailed them instead
[02:49] <dmcglone> I see
[02:49] <Cheri703> and tonight I finally got an actual response (she called my mother the other night being insane)
[02:50] <dmcglone> really?
[02:50] <Cheri703> she wants me to work for her, but be paid even less if I want to be on a legal contractor agreement -_-
[02:50] <Cheri703> so I will counter with what I'm expecting, and will probably continue my plans to just find another job
[02:50] <dmcglone> Smart move
[02:51] <Cheri703> yep yep
[02:51] <canthus13> Cheri703: ...? She wants to keep you by paying you less?
[02:51] <dmcglone> Unit193, you being good this fine evening?
[02:51] <canthus13> Cheri703: Have you considered trying to have her committed against her will?
[02:52] <Unit193> dmcglone: I hope so!
[02:52] <dmcglone> canthus13: sounds like a boss from a 3rd world country
[02:52] <Cheri703> canthus13: she implies that she can't afford to pay me as much if I'm not working 40 hours per week (or more as she wants/thinks I should be)
[02:52] <dmcglone> ;)
[02:52] <Cheri703> canthus13: it's a mess
[02:53] <canthus13> Cheri703: She implies that she's exempt from all payroll laws? (I know small businesses can pay less if they meet certain requirements, but even then...)
[02:53] <Cheri703> well, as a contractor, there's no requirement for minimum wage, and she wants to do it on a per unit price, but she doesn't take into account the fact that some machines require multiple visits, all of the phone support I do, etc etc
[02:54] <Cheri703> also, the per unit price is WAY less than they get back from xerox for having me, so my counter will include "at least 75% of what xerox pays out per machine, at a minimum of $150" her proposed amount is $100 for "non-desktop units" >.<
[02:55] <Cheri703> when they get anywhere from $150 up to $300/machine for me doing the setup and training
[02:55] <dmcglone> thats just too overly complicated of a job to keep for me
[02:55] <Cheri703> yeah, I am leaning toward not :/
[02:55] <dmcglone> I prefer 9 -5 80,000/year
[02:56] <dmcglone> :-)
[02:56] <Cheri703> not even taking into account her whole "call my mom and spew lies" thing from yesterday, also her implying that I was stealing from them by leaving when I'd gotten an "advancement" on my pay by having the BONUS that corporate paid me >.<
[02:56] <Cheri703> yeah dmcglone, honestly, making $20k would be WELL above what I made this year :/
[02:56] <canthus13> Cheri703: Tell her to take you to court over the bonus.
[02:56] <Cheri703> yeah, I already called corporate about that
[02:57] <Cheri703> and my counter will also include the $2100 she's supposed to pay me (that doesn't even include the pay for the months she counted the bonus as my wages)
[02:57] <dmcglone> better, sue her for workplace (whatever they call it)
[02:57] <Cheri703> she owns her own business
[02:58] <dmcglone> file a complaint with the small business bureau
[02:58] <dmcglone> there's gotta be something you can do. You don't have to take the abuse
[02:58] <canthus13> Actually.. if the business clears 267k a year GROSS, you can file a complaint with the state.
[02:59] <canthus13> http://www.com.ohio.gov/laws/MWOTComplaint.aspx
[02:59] <canthus13> That is assuming that she's been working you overtime without paying overtime and such. (The bonuses counted as wages may also apply.. dunno.)
[02:59] <Cheri703> I'm not sure they did canthus13, not sure how much they grossed
[03:00] <canthus13> Cheri703: Investigators would be able to figure that one out.
[03:00] <Cheri703> hmm....might
[03:00] <Cheri703> thanks for the link
[03:00] <dmcglone> or layers
[03:00] <canthus13> No prob.
[03:00] <Cheri703> dmcglone: I'm leaving, won't take it anymore :)
[03:00] <Cheri703> unless they go with what I ask for, then I can't work for them. simple as that
[03:01] <dmcglone> I don't blame you
[03:01] <Cheri703> my mom thinks I should maybe do it for a few months to save up for a car, missing the fact that if I'm getting paid even less than I am now, I won't be able to pay bills, let alone save up money
[03:04] <dmcglone> I can see your point
[03:59] <Cheri703> rawr
[04:02] <canthus13> rawr?
[04:04] <Cheri703> yes
[04:05] <Cheri703> mine is larger, but: http://dogs.icanhascheezburger.com/2009/04/28/cute-puppy-pictures-itty-bitty/
[04:06] <canthus13> Ah. :)
[04:08] <Cheri703> knowing I have tons of stuff to do, and really really not wanting to do any of it...rawr at chores
[04:08] <Cheri703> so here's a question
[04:09] <Cheri703> if I write a script to ssh -x into another computer, and run a program, how can I make the script close the ssh connection after I close the program?
[04:09] <Cheri703> or should it do it automatically?
[04:09] <Cheri703> because sometimes I look at system monitor and there's like 7 ssh things open
[04:15] <canthus13> Hmm.
[04:15] <canthus13> The sessions *should* die after a while, but they don't always.
[04:15] <Cheri703> ok
[04:15] <Cheri703> of course this time it didn't linger, but I was thinking about it the other day, forgot to ask then
[04:16]  * canthus13 always has dozens of ssh sessions strung around his network. :)
[04:17] <Cheri703> I have a few at the moment.
[04:18] <Cheri703> I need a house boy :)
[04:18] <Cheri703> *unrelated to previous statement
[04:18]  * Cheri703 needs a guy to dote on her and do chores for her :)
[04:20] <canthus13> Eh? Kick your husband in the butt.
[04:21]  * Cheri703 has mostly given up on that from him
[04:23]  * canthus13 ends up doing the dishes and the heavier laundry stuff 'coz his wife has carpal tunnel syndrome.
[04:23] <Cheri703> husband does dishes and laundry, but pisses about it
[04:23] <canthus13> Meh. He's not working, right?
[04:24] <Cheri703> he actually does quite a bit around the house, which would be WONDERFUL, and is always appreciated, except he pisses and moans about how MUCH he does, and blah blah, and yeah, he spends all day playing video games
[04:24] <canthus13> Then he's got no right to complain.
[04:24]  * Cheri703 thinks so
[04:24] <canthus13> I bitch a bit occasionally, but I'm also working 40+ hours a week. Not that I blame her, really.
[04:24] <Cheri703> yeah
[04:25]  * dmcglone has been doing housework and taking care of kids for 19 years
[04:26] <dmcglone> and as of now I am very tired and getting ready to turn in
[04:26] <canthus13> have fun.
[04:26] <Cheri703> night dmcglone
[04:26] <dmcglone> night. I'll be around tomorrow.
[04:27] <Cheri703> I'm SO BORED. I have nothing to watch :(
[04:27] <dmcglone> You guys be good while I'm gone ;-)
[04:27]  * Cheri703 likes background noise
[04:27] <Cheri703> oh always
[04:27] <dmcglone> LOL ok g'night
[04:27] <canthus13> Cheri703: C-Span.
[04:28] <Cheri703> no cable
[04:28] <Cheri703> streaming or downloaded stuff only :/
[04:28] <Cheri703> and all of my shows have stopped for the holidays...
[04:28] <Cheri703> except maybe it's late enough I can download one...let me check
[04:28] <canthus13> Cheri703: The Crow:Stairway to Heaven.  the entire series (one season) is around.
[04:29] <Cheri703> hmmm...I've seen multiple "the crow" movies
[04:29] <canthus13> The series was pretty decent. I was rather annoyed that it only lasted one season. :(
[04:29] <canthus13> It's based on the first Crow movie.
[04:29] <canthus13> (The only good one IMO.)
[04:30] <Cheri703> yeah, it was ok, the others were super lame
[04:33] <canthus13> There's the entire Stargate series of shows...
[04:33] <Cheri703> my parents are bringing their computers for me to work on, 2 laptops, netbook, 2 desktops, and router...
[04:34] <Cheri703> my dad though he needed to bring the monitors and such as well, but was relieved when I told him it was unnecessary
[04:34] <canthus13> 5 computers?
[04:34] <canthus13> Wow.
[04:35] <Cheri703> well, one desktop will be left with us, it was superseded by the other desktop, one laptop is my mom's old one and she'll be transitioning to the new one (might leave the old one, might keep it, not sure yet), and netbook is primarily for my dad to video phone my grandma because she's deaf and they sign over the webcam
[04:36] <Cheri703> so from 5 down to 3 by the end of the trip
[04:36] <Cheri703> we have 3 in general use in our house, and another 2-3 that could be put into rotation as needed. 4 if you count that massive server
[04:37] <canthus13> Heh.
[04:37] <Cheri703> one of the other laptops is out on loan atm
[04:37] <canthus13> We've got 3 laptops, a desktop, and 3 servers, with parts for another 2 machines sitting around.
[04:37] <Cheri703> the windows laptops
[04:37] <Cheri703> nice
[04:38] <Cheri703> husband's desktop: windows, my desktop: ubuntu (basically my server), my laptop: ubuntu, old dell b130: ubuntu, dell xps m140 or something: windows
[04:38] <Cheri703> server: ubuntu
[04:38] <Cheri703> other random computers: no hdd's
[04:38] <Cheri703> and we'll soon have my dad's old desktop
[04:38] <Cheri703> if it's better than mine, I'm SO swapping it out :)
[04:39] <canthus13> My servers run Debian. All other machines run Ubuntu. (I think my kid may have a windows partition, but I don't think he's ever booted it.)
[04:40] <Cheri703> heh
[04:40] <Cheri703> I might get my husband to dual boot sometime soon. going to put my mom on ubuntu if at all possible
[04:41] <canthus13> My wife refuses to go back to windows.
[04:41] <canthus13> My kids don't care what OS the use.
[04:41] <Cheri703> nice
[04:43] <Cheri703> I won't go back to windows either. I keep the laptop with xp around for running utilities (scanning, restoring, etc), and I have xp in a vm on netbook, but that's as far as I'll go with it)
[04:43] <Cheri703> bah, -)
[04:47] <Cheri703> my day to day is well suited to ubuntu
[04:51] <Unit193> One of the hardest parts of switching has got to be the choices....
[04:51] <canthus13> choices?
[04:51] <Cheri703> appropriate for this time of year: http://vimeo.com/8192170
[04:52] <canthus13> the hardest part for me was actually booting. With gutsy, I could boot on my laptop. that's all it took.
[04:53] <Unit193> canthus13: You want to use linux? do you want fedora or ubuntu? ok gnome or kde? and on and on
[04:53] <Unit193> LTS or not...
[04:54] <canthus13> Unit193: Oh. That. Just try a few and see what works for you.
[04:55] <canthus13> I recommend ubuntu for the community support to anyone who asks.
[04:55] <canthus13> Outside that, it's kinda like pokemon. gotta try 'em all.
[04:56] <Unit193> I found debian based to work best (deb, apt-get) from there I still have not gotten down "ok, this is what I would pick if I had to do it over"
[04:57] <Unit193> I also found it best to ask as few questions as you can....
[04:58]  * canthus13 <3 apt.
[04:59] <Unit193> I don't really use synaptic anymore (use apt-get and apt-cache search)
[05:00] <Cheri703> I use synaptic if it's something that has a dumb name completely unrelated to the name of the program
[05:01]  * canthus13 uses whatever is handy. (Software center, apt-get, aptitude, dpkg... synaptic isn't 'handy')
[05:11] <Cheri703> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/12/22/air-powered-car-airpod_n_799939.html
[05:14] <canthus13> I saw those a while back.. Made in India, iirc..
[05:18] <Cheri703> designed by a french guy
[05:19] <canthus13> http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/news/preview-concept/4217016
[05:19] <Cheri703> yeah, huffpo was very late to the story
[06:51] <Unit193> http://www.zegeniestudios.net/ldc/index.php <--- that will tell you what Linux you should use ;)
[06:51] <BiosElement> canthus13: Ubuntu is the only distro I can recommend with fedora coming in very very close. >.>
[06:54] <Unit193> BiosElement: Why Ubuntu? Not Ubuntu based?
[06:54] <BiosElement> Name one good ubuntu based distro. And mint is not 'good' >.>
[06:55] <Unit193> Lucid Puppy for slow computers?
[06:55] <Unit193> Why do you say Mint isn't good?
[06:56] <Unit193> By Ubuntu I'm guessing you mean K/X/L/Ubuntu?
[06:56] <BiosElement> Never tried Lucid Puppy.
[06:57] <BiosElement> Because they add little useful, bitch up and down about how bad ubuntu is and take forever to get releases out making them ,outdated by the time they release >.<
[06:57] <BiosElement> Unit193: Actually i wouldn't recommend more then Ubuntu to anyone who hadn't already used linux before
[06:58] <Unit193> Didn't know Mint didn't like Ubuntu
[06:58] <BiosElement> Nothing official, but I can't help but get a continued negative feeling from their community about it
[06:58] <Unit193> I think KDE might be better for Win switchers (I use Lubuntu on a slow computer)
[06:59] <BiosElement> Eh, only if it wasn't so friggen buggy
[06:59] <BiosElement> And I use it daily. >.>
[07:00] <Unit193> I have to agree about the buggy part... (that's why I have looked at Mint)
[07:01] <BiosElement> Mint doesn't improve anything really. They just add their own stupid 'mint-insertstupidnamehere' tools
[07:01] <BiosElement> >.>
[07:01] <BiosElement> And as I recall they ship drivers making it illegal to distribute in the US don't they?
[07:02] <Unit193> Yes, they also have a US version
[07:02] <BiosElement> Ahh heh, yeah. The one no one ever touches I'm sure >.>
[07:02] <Unit193> Mint looks a tad more like Win
[07:02] <Unit193> Ubuntu like Mac
[07:03] <BiosElement> Mint really would have been better suited to do a novel thing, work with Ubuntu devs rather then do their 'own' distro
[07:03] <BiosElement> Oh NOW i remember my #1 hate about mint
[07:03] <Unit193> Look at the sources.list....
[07:03] <BiosElement> Yes I know, they use ubuntu packages + custom packages of their own
[07:03] <Unit193> Not that much like Win... (less then KDE)
[07:04] <BiosElement> They screw with the firefox install forcing ads in.
[07:04] <Unit193> THAT is very annoying!!!
[07:04] <BiosElement> I'm of the opinion it's evil, simply put.
[07:04] <Unit193> The google search is a custom search
[07:04] <BiosElement> They cry about money, but they wouldn't have that problem if they worked with canonical instead of making thier own >.>
[07:05] <Unit193> did canonical ever accept Lubuntu?
[07:05] <BiosElement> No idea, I don't keep track of small distro projects
[07:06] <BiosElement> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu
[07:07] <BiosElement> No
[07:07] <BiosElement> It's not official yet per their site
[07:07] <BiosElement> But they may as well be >.>
[07:07] <BiosElement> WTH's the diff? They already have the design, logo, wiki immutable, lp, etc >.>
[07:09] <Unit193> Ubuntu 6.10 is sadly MUCH faster (yes I know it would be)
[07:11] <canthus13> BiosElement: I'm lovin' Crunchbang. :)
[07:11] <canthus13> BiosElement: but I wouldn't recommend it for noobs.
[07:11] <BiosElement> Heh
[07:12] <BiosElement> Funny thing is I was using Ubuntu gnome last week, I couldn't stand the apps. :P
[07:12] <BiosElement> They really cripple themselves some with "omg each app must do ONEEEEE thing...even if everythings related and makes sense1" >.>
[07:13] <BiosElement> KDE4's beginning to get a bit of both worlds, KDE3's "Options, Options, Options!!!!!" and toning it down to be a tad more resonable
[07:13] <Unit193> I may install Ubuntu with mostly KDE apps :D
[07:14] <BiosElement> Hah, I have no doubt that KDE is the future, at least in my mind. Qt is 'the' way to go.
[07:15] <Unit193> As long as you have good resources...
[07:17] <BiosElement> Nice try. ;P Ironically I've found Qt snappier then Ubuntu, with both of the desktop effects off
[07:19] <Unit193> I was thinking Kubuntu vs Ubuntu
[07:19] <BiosElement> Depends on what you run
[07:19] <BiosElement> Kubuntu does more backend stuff by default
[07:20] <Unit193> And why does Xubuntu still exist?
[07:20] <BiosElement> Because 2 people use it? *ducks*
[07:21] <Unit193> Nice
[07:21] <Unit193> I sorta like the black theme (maybe that mouse too)
[07:57] <BiosElement> Oh dear god
[07:57] <BiosElement> Anyone with a SiteGround hosting acccount, delete it today >.>
[07:58] <BiosElement> They ban users from their servers for the "future possibility" of a DDOS attack, which is in violation of their ToS >.>
[07:58] <Unit193> No idea what that is... why?
[07:58] <BiosElement> https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2010/12/weakest-links-host-buckles-when-upstream-provider