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crimsun...but now it is.00:00
Riddellit's my birthday!00:00
* Riddell runs around putting birthday hats on everyone00:00
* Riddell plays some Daft Punk and dresses up like someone from Tron00:00
ScottKRiddell: Happy birthday.  May you get birthday presents that aren't also your Christmas presents.00:11
Riddellwhy thank you ScottK 00:12
ScottKRiddell: Can you tell my birthday is also close to Christmas (3 days after)?00:12
Riddellyou just get the leftovers..00:14
QuintasanIt's Riddell bday today?00:15
QuintasanRiddell: Happy birthday!00:15
Riddellwhy thank you Quintasan, have a party popper00:16
Riddellmy facebook wall has never been so busy00:22
RiddellI do think birthday greetings are about the only good use for facebook00:22
QuintasanHuh? Facebook?00:24
* Quintasan reads this only because his phone is hooked up with it00:24
Mamarok_Riddell: Happy Birthday :)00:29
QuintasanRiddell: Please remember it's still Blame Apachelogger Day, if something didn't went according to your plans you can blame him :)00:29
Riddellwhy thank you Mamarok, have a glass of Prosecco00:32
claydohooh birthday boy Riddell !! hope it is a good one for you!00:46
Riddellgosh thanks claydoh, have some cake00:46
claydohMamarok_:  on ray burke I don'tt hink there is anything we *can* do for him :( but at least he is harmless, just never records or noted what he is successful with, etc00:48
crimsunwhich Phonon backend will Natty have as the default?00:48
* claydoh munches on cake, his 3 dogs and 1 cat eagerly awaiting the stray crumb falling00:49
Riddellcrimsun: currently defaulting to and expected to be gstreamer00:50
crimsunRiddell: ok, thanks. Did Maverick (and earlier) use xine-lib?00:56
Quintasanclaydoh: it's damn middle of the night in here and you are eating already?00:56
Quintasan:P00:56
crimsunI'm trying to gauge the surface of a proposed SRU for gst-plugins-good0.10.00:56
claydohQuintasan: you betcha! its only early evening here :D00:57
Riddellcrimsun: yes we've changed in natty00:58
crimsunRiddell: ok, thanks. Looks like it'll be limited to just ubuntu maverick, then.00:59
crimsunheh, "just"00:59
claydohhttps://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=261117 how is this "downstream"?01:16
ubottuKDE bug 261117 in general "Oxygen theme icons missing" [Minor,Resolved: downstream]01:16
Riddellmm, no idea01:18
claydohthat kmymoney dev was a former kubuntu user, now he hates it01:20
claydoh:(01:20
claydohI cannot reproduce it in 10.1001:21
Riddelldo the icons appear?01:21
claydohyes,  think the bug reporter may not have set the kde prefix01:22
Riddellyep, icons definately in our package of kmymoney01:23
Riddellwant to leave a polite remark with a touch or sarcasm or shall I?01:24
claydohI will, but after I recompile - i keep a ppa with latest versions (with icons) :) haven't compiled it in a while01:25
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claydohbut there were icons when i last built 4.5.1 - not in our repos01:26
Riddellgiven that we don't even have packages of 4.5.1 it's definately not a packaging fault01:29
claydohsomehow it must be an icon packaging issue I guess --not01:30
claydohlol01:30
claydohI absolutely love kmm, but the dev blaming everything on us is not good01:31
Riddellmaybe sarcasm is the wrong approach, maybe disappointment would work better01:32
claydohI am not good at sarcasm, but perhaps straightforward 'can't reproduce' might work, along with a touch of disappointment01:33
claydohbut I am going to let this build to be sure before I do anything01:34
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Riddellhe's probably manually set the resource path to /usr/share/apps intead of letting the default be /usr/share/kde4/apps/01:35
jtechidnawe're also using the debian packages verbatim, so it's not even us01:42
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claydohJontheEchidna: yup, I think the default prefix is /opt if you don't set it01:44
RiddellJontheEchidna: I'm backporting the qapt in natty to kubuntu-ninjas for maverick, the maverick version doesn't compile 01:46
JontheEchidnahuh, interesting01:48
JontheEchidnaoh yeah. the libpolkit-qt-1 API changes broke things01:51
ari-tczewheh, now key UP doesn't work01:53
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Riddellyay, 4.5.90 installed and ran on my VM02:20
RiddellI'll copy it to beta, announce then run away to non-computery land02:21
Riddellkubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-4.6-rc-102:37
* claydoh wonders if we should either set the publish time for the relase news a few hours after starting the build/copy action, or note this in the article itself02:44
markeyapachelogger: important message: we have found a security issue in your code. please contact me ASAP02:53
serenityhi03:51
serenityis the beta backports ppa already ready to use?03:52
harolddongthe 4.6 rc update seems to need libpolkit-qt-1-1 for a bunch of packages but only libpolkit-qt-1-0 is available in the beta repo as far I can tell and it is causing a bunch of errors05:33
nixternali drank a lil to much for kubuntu tonight :/06:38
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nigelbRiddell: Pretty by now its birthday in your tz :D08:46
Mamarokhm, that can't be correct: an upgrade wants to remove all kde09:02
MamarokRiddell: it seriously wants to remove 295 packages, there must be a bug somewhere09:04
Mamarokhttp://pastebin.com/ycjKYrUr09:05
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EagleScreenJontheEchidna: are you there?10:03
droidslayerParty fail???  What? How?11:07
valoriehappy birthday, Riddell!11:23
* valorie just finished reading up; have been gone most of today11:24
valoriewill try to briefly touch base with apachelogger: pong11:24
_Groo_hi/2 all11:37
_Groo_guys rc1 is most likely broken11:37
_Groo_its missing libpolkit-qt-1-1 , can only find libpolkit-qt-1-011:38
_Groo_so it removes kdebase, which removes half the system :D11:38
_Groo_can anyone verify this?11:38
TroubleMy upgrade Maverick from beta 2 -> RC 1 was flawless11:45
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Trouble(amd64)11:46
_Groo_just confirmed it, its libpolkit allright11:48
_Groo_polkitkde asks for libpolkit-qt-1-1, the ppa as libpolkit-qt-1-111:49
_Groo_sorry the ppa as libpolkit-qt-1-011:49
_Groo_dont know how it was compiled11:49
droidslayerWait I updates11:49
droidslayerUpdated that yesterday11:50
droidslayerI backported the new polkit iirc11:50
_Groo_well look for libpolkit-qt-1-1 in maverick or ppa, theres none to be found, and kdebase is linked to it..11:51
_Groo_so basically for a normal user it removes the entire system XD11:51
_Groo_only libpolkit-qt-1-0 is rhere, which are my packages11:51
_Groo_i didnt participate in the rc1 cause of lack of time :P11:52
droidslayerMeans someone forgot to copy it11:52
_Groo_yeah, backported 1-1 on my machine and now the dependy hell is gone11:52
* _Groo_ thinks of apachelogger or Riddell , they have shitty memory ;)11:53
droidslayerYeah hold on... ill copy it over11:53
_Groo_i dont wanna know how many users we broke XD11:53
droidslayerapachelogger: is to be blamed11:54
droidslayerB-)11:54
_Groo_droidslayer: put apachelogger head on a spike! :D11:55
_Groo_droidslayer: we demand it!11:55
droidslayer:-D11:55
droidslayerCopied...  will take a few mins tho11:58
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QuintasanRiddell: ping12:01
shadeslayerQuintasan: i doubt he will be online today :12:35
RiddellQuintasan: hi12:36
shadeslayerhah ... :P12:37
shadeslayerRiddell: go party!! what are you doing here12:37
Riddellthanks for coping over polkit-qt-112:38
shadeslayerand rbelem's patches work :)12:38
shadeslayerNo problem12:38
Riddellshadeslayer: great, put them in our bzr packaging then12:45
shadeslayeruh wait what12:45
shadeslayeri thought they were in our packages already12:45
shadeslayerbecause i have no problem configuring samba shares12:46
shadeslayerand someone is in my WiFi network :/12:46
Riddellmm, don't think so12:46
NightroseRiddell: Happy Birthday! :)12:47
Riddellthanks Nightrose!  have some strawberry wine12:48
Nightroseohhhhhh12:48
Nightrosethat sounds nice12:48
Riddell"The koffice 2.3.0 source tarball and associated translations are now available on ktown" just incase anyone fancies some more packaging12:49
danttiRiddell: are you able to test a patch for pk 0.5.7 (lucid), I'm a bit tired of pk-qt bugs comming in :P12:53
shadeslayerdantti: so kpk crashes on natty13:05
shadeslayerdantti: http://paste.ubuntu.com/54720713:05
shadeslayerthere was this new apt sources line13:07
shadeslayerwhich automatically chooses the mirror for you13:08
shadeslayerwhat was it13:08
EagleScreenJontheEchidna: muon 1.0.90 build for lucid, but it is not friendly installable, because apt 0.8 breaks many other packaging stuff like synaptic,aptitude, python-apt, kpackagekit, etc....; sorry but I didn't want to mean that the packages were ready and tested when you copied them.13:08
danttishadeslayer: sure, kde4.6 has a kdialog change and I was stupid to have kpk a local copy13:09
danttishadeslayer: 0.6.3.2 is there to fix things :P http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=8474513:09
shadeslayerah 13:09
shadeslayerwell ... someone should package it then :P13:09
shadeslayerpackage the new package manager LD13:09
shadeslayer:D13:09
danttishadeslayer: sure :P13:12
danttishadeslayer: I poked Riddell about this, since it should be included in kde 4.6 backports too13:13
shadeslayeryep13:13
shadeslayerstop poking Riddell its his birthday .... :P13:14
freinhardhi!13:18
freinhard4.6 from the backports ppa isn't ready yet?13:18
freinhard+beta13:18
shadeslayerfreinhard: it is, there was a small glitch tho, its fixed now13:19
shadeslayerso you might want to update your sources13:19
freinhardso there are no more broken dependencies?13:20
shadeslayershould be fixed now13:20
freinhardjust update, doesn't work properly, wait a while?13:21
shadeslayerfreinhard: can you post the output of sudo apt-get dist upgrade?13:21
_Groo_should i be worried? :D Need to get 0B/666MB of archives.13:21
freinhardhttp://dpaste.com/290173/13:22
_Groo_thats a mean number for a kde release ;l13:22
shadeslayer_Groo_: lawl13:22
_Groo_shadeslayer: i hope it doesnt open a portal and transports me to apachelogger personal hell :P13:22
shadeslayerfreinhard: have you done sudo apt-get update ?13:22
_Groo_Riddell: ping13:23
_Groo_Riddell: happy birthday ping13:23
freinhardshadeslayer: just right before, i'll try again13:23
_Groo_Riddell: pong13:23
_Groo_Riddell: and a pong to match :D13:23
freinhardshadeslayer: btw, that was aptitude dist-upgrade and not apt-get13:24
shadeslayerah13:24
shadeslayersee thats the problem13:24
shadeslayerfreinhard: you need apt-get13:24
shadeslayerit is more supreme .... apparently ...13:24
shadeslayerlol trying13:25
shadeslayer0_o13:25
shadeslayerwtg13:25
_Groo_freinhard: check to see if libpolkit-1-0 isnt conflicting with 1-113:25
freinhardapt-get would free 279MB, therefore i guess apt-get would just remove these packages13:25
shadeslayermy keyboard has gone insane13:25
_Groo_freinhard: if it is, remove 1-0 by hand and apt-get -f install or aptitude -f install13:25
shadeslayerfreinhard: can you post the output of sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade?13:26
_Groo_shadeslayer: i think hes getting the polkit problem too... the update shouldnt remove such an amount of MBs.. it would say update not remove13:26
_Groo_brb13:26
shadeslayerhttp://lwn.net/Articles/420152/ << lol13:26
freinhardhttp://dpaste.com/290180/13:27
freinhardmaybe it's kubuntu-debug-installer13:28
freinhardthat one needs qapt-batch13:29
freinhardhmm no, whatever... something is broken ;)13:30
freinhardthat would remove kdepim, i guess i need to install the beta?13:31
danttishadeslayer: really? Happy birthday Riddel then :D13:39
bulldog98Riddell: happy birthday13:53
bulldog98apachelogger: why is the party a fail?13:54
_Groo_could anyolne pls confirm that kstars is still broken in rc1? just open it, it should show a black fields instead of the stars field14:03
yofel_Groo_: confirmed14:05
_Groo_yofel: damn :P14:05
_Groo_yofel: do you use krdc btw?14:06
yofelnope, haven't tried anything vlc like in a while14:07
yofel*vnc14:07
jussihrm14:14
jussiwhy is kteatime under "games"?14:15
shadeslayerbecause apparently making tea is a game14:15
jussiright...14:16
jussiit should probably go under utilities, no+14:16
jussi?14:16
shadeslayerid say so14:16
shadeslayerQuintasan: http://i.imgur.com/ZeJOo.png14:17
shadeslayer!find rvm-prompt 14:59
ubottuPackage/file rvm-prompt does not exist in maverick14:59
shadeslayer!find rvm15:00
ubottuFound: librvm-dev, librvm1, rvm-dbg, rvm-tools15:00
shadeslayer:S15:00
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shadeslayerQuintasan: http://i.imgur.com/lg3IB.png lol15:39
shadeslayerweirdness http://paste.ubuntu.com/54726816:04
ulyssesno background on kdm, and smooth tasks still crashes plasma desktop16:49
shadeslayerconfirmed ^^16:50
shadeslayersmooth tasks might need a rebuild16:50
shadeslayerulysses: ive uploaded a rebuild of smooth tasks17:17
shadeslayerwell .. its uploading :P17:17
shadeslayerdantti_far_away: lol... far away? :P17:21
ulyssesLong time ago, in a galaxy far, far away…17:22
=== shadeslayer changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - Party on! Merry XMas to everyone!!! | Lots to do https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | Please test KDE in lucid-proposed LP: #691068 | Ninjas packaging RC 1 https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging
shadeslayererrr17:27
shadeslayerulysses: if you have i386 the package is built17:51
shadeslayercan you check if it fixes the crash issue?17:51
ulyssesshadeslayer: isn't on the mirror yet (using main mirror)17:56
shadeslayerulysses: your on maverick right?17:57
shadeslayeror natty?17:57
ulyssesnatty17:57
shadeslayerbah17:57
shadeslayeri thought you were on maverick .... :P17:57
shadeslayerdunno then17:58
ulyssesbah, stabel release for dummies, the brave people use development release^^17:58
shadeslayer:P18:00
KRFulysses: is natty "usable" atm? :)18:08
ari-tczewKRF: kubuntu works fine18:10
dasKreechAs kinda expected 18:11
shadeslayerwell ... from #ubuntu-devel : GDM is broken ... lawl18:12
shadeslayerKRF: its pretty much maverick slapped on with KDE 4.5.90 and a new kernel18:13
shadeslayernothing exciting as of now18:13
shadeslayeroh oh .. no HAL ... but that can be removed from maverick as well :P18:14
KRFoki 18:18
yofelgdm should be fixed by now, they downgraded gtk again18:18
yofelat least clipboard works again here18:19
shadeslayeryofel: its in their topic, and im directly quoting from there .... i dont have gnome :P18:22
yofelI followed it since it was tied to the c&p issue I had, it's fixed by now18:23
shadeslayerinteresting ... now we have 2 office suites for KDE18:25
shadeslayerhttp://lwn.net/Articles/419822/18:25
ulyssesKRF: there are some issue, but it is usable18:31
ulyssesoh holy cow, system tray is buggy18:40
yofelwell, I'm off. Merry Christmas folks!18:42
QuintasanRiddell: urgh18:46
QuintasanRiddell: I don't know if you read the thing at #kde-devel18:47
Quintasanthey would like a valgrind log for nepomuk crash and I have no idea at all how to do this18:47
shadeslayerQuintasan: tell them you dont know how to and they will guide you18:50
shadeslayerhttp://i.imgur.com/vVxqK.png everyone18:50
Quintasanlol18:51
shadeslayerQuintasan: you scanned it right? :P18:52
QuintasanYup18:52
QuintasanWell, I read it directly from Data Matix18:52
QuintasanI scanned it with my eyes18:52
shadeslayerlawl18:53
QuintasanHerp, not dfaure nor treug are on #kde-devel18:53
Quintasanwelll it's xmass after all18:53
QuintasanI'd love to throw some work at them :P18:53
shadeslayerhaha18:54
jjessejust did a do-release-upgrade -d on my netbook w/o any problems, looks good guys :)19:56
=== maco changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - Party on! Merry XMas to everyone!!! | Lots to do https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | Please test KDE in lucid-proposed LP: #691068 | Ninjas packaging RC 1 https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging | Happy Birthday, Riddell!
ScottKReading https://wiki.debian.org/HALRemoval - It says k3b still needs hal.  Riddell: we should find someone to look into that.21:22
* ScottK is taking a shot at fixing the kdegames FTBFS on armel.21:24
JontheEchidnaHAL also seems to be needed for media device support in amarok21:48
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ulyssesJontheEchidna: is it normal that Muon Software Center doesn't use the translations?21:50
JontheEchidnaany translations at all?21:50
ulyssesexcept that one in Kickoff, the menu entry21:51
JontheEchidnathat's not normal21:51
ulyssesgood to know:)21:54
ulyssesanyway, Muon Software Center is awesome22:00
JontheEchidna^.^22:02
ulyssesI should write a review to show that Kubuntu is more awesome that the crappy purple Ubuntu22:03
yofelrather make colin or whoever revert that ugly aubergine grub background :S22:04
apacheloggerRiddell: happy bday22:24
ulyssesRiddell: happy birthday!22:41
ulyssesand merry christmas to all22:41

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