[00:00] <crimsun> ...but now it is.
[00:00] <Riddell> it's my birthday!
[00:00]  * Riddell runs around putting birthday hats on everyone
[00:00]  * Riddell plays some Daft Punk and dresses up like someone from Tron
[00:11] <ScottK> Riddell: Happy birthday.  May you get birthday presents that aren't also your Christmas presents.
[00:12] <Riddell> why thank you ScottK 
[00:12] <ScottK> Riddell: Can you tell my birthday is also close to Christmas (3 days after)?
[00:14] <Riddell> you just get the leftovers..
[00:15] <Quintasan> It's Riddell bday today?
[00:15] <Quintasan> Riddell: Happy birthday!
[00:16] <Riddell> why thank you Quintasan, have a party popper
[00:22] <Riddell> my facebook wall has never been so busy
[00:22] <Riddell> I do think birthday greetings are about the only good use for facebook
[00:24] <Quintasan> Huh? Facebook?
[00:24]  * Quintasan reads this only because his phone is hooked up with it
[00:29] <Mamarok_> Riddell: Happy Birthday :)
[00:29] <Quintasan> Riddell: Please remember it's still Blame Apachelogger Day, if something didn't went according to your plans you can blame him :)
[00:32] <Riddell> why thank you Mamarok, have a glass of Prosecco
[00:46] <claydoh> ooh birthday boy Riddell !! hope it is a good one for you!
[00:46] <Riddell> gosh thanks claydoh, have some cake
[00:48] <claydoh> Mamarok_:  on ray burke I don'tt hink there is anything we *can* do for him :( but at least he is harmless, just never records or noted what he is successful with, etc
[00:48] <crimsun> which Phonon backend will Natty have as the default?
[00:49]  * claydoh munches on cake, his 3 dogs and 1 cat eagerly awaiting the stray crumb falling
[00:50] <Riddell> crimsun: currently defaulting to and expected to be gstreamer
[00:56] <crimsun> Riddell: ok, thanks. Did Maverick (and earlier) use xine-lib?
[00:56] <Quintasan> claydoh: it's damn middle of the night in here and you are eating already?
[00:56] <Quintasan> :P
[00:56] <crimsun> I'm trying to gauge the surface of a proposed SRU for gst-plugins-good0.10.
[00:57] <claydoh> Quintasan: you betcha! its only early evening here :D
[00:58] <Riddell> crimsun: yes we've changed in natty
[00:59] <crimsun> Riddell: ok, thanks. Looks like it'll be limited to just ubuntu maverick, then.
[00:59] <crimsun> heh, "just"
[01:16] <claydoh> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=261117 how is this "downstream"?
[01:18] <Riddell> mm, no idea
[01:20] <claydoh> that kmymoney dev was a former kubuntu user, now he hates it
[01:20] <claydoh> :(
[01:21] <claydoh> I cannot reproduce it in 10.10
[01:21] <Riddell> do the icons appear?
[01:22] <claydoh> yes,  think the bug reporter may not have set the kde prefix
[01:23] <Riddell> yep, icons definately in our package of kmymoney
[01:24] <Riddell> want to leave a polite remark with a touch or sarcasm or shall I?
[01:25] <claydoh> I will, but after I recompile - i keep a ppa with latest versions (with icons) :) haven't compiled it in a while
[01:26] <claydoh> but there were icons when i last built 4.5.1 - not in our repos
[01:29] <Riddell> given that we don't even have packages of 4.5.1 it's definately not a packaging fault
[01:30] <claydoh> somehow it must be an icon packaging issue I guess --not
[01:30] <claydoh> lol
[01:31] <claydoh> I absolutely love kmm, but the dev blaming everything on us is not good
[01:32] <Riddell> maybe sarcasm is the wrong approach, maybe disappointment would work better
[01:33] <claydoh> I am not good at sarcasm, but perhaps straightforward 'can't reproduce' might work, along with a touch of disappointment
[01:34] <claydoh> but I am going to let this build to be sure before I do anything
[01:35] <Riddell> he's probably manually set the resource path to /usr/share/apps intead of letting the default be /usr/share/kde4/apps/
[01:42] <jtechidna> we're also using the debian packages verbatim, so it's not even us
[01:44] <claydoh> JontheEchidna: yup, I think the default prefix is /opt if you don't set it
[01:46] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: I'm backporting the qapt in natty to kubuntu-ninjas for maverick, the maverick version doesn't compile 
[01:48] <JontheEchidna> huh, interesting
[01:51] <JontheEchidna> oh yeah. the libpolkit-qt-1 API changes broke things
[01:53] <ari-tczew> heh, now key UP doesn't work
[02:20] <Riddell> yay, 4.5.90 installed and ran on my VM
[02:21] <Riddell> I'll copy it to beta, announce then run away to non-computery land
[02:37] <Riddell> kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-4.6-rc-1
[02:44]  * claydoh wonders if we should either set the publish time for the relase news a few hours after starting the build/copy action, or note this in the article itself
[02:53] <markey> apachelogger: important message: we have found a security issue in your code. please contact me ASAP
[03:51] <serenity> hi
[03:52] <serenity> is the beta backports ppa already ready to use?
[05:33] <harolddong> the 4.6 rc update seems to need libpolkit-qt-1-1 for a bunch of packages but only libpolkit-qt-1-0 is available in the beta repo as far I can tell and it is causing a bunch of errors
[06:38] <nixternal> i drank a lil to much for kubuntu tonight :/
[08:46] <nigelb> Riddell: Pretty by now its birthday in your tz :D
[09:02] <Mamarok> hm, that can't be correct: an upgrade wants to remove all kde
[09:04] <Mamarok> Riddell: it seriously wants to remove 295 packages, there must be a bug somewhere
[09:05] <Mamarok> http://pastebin.com/ycjKYrUr
[10:03] <EagleScreen> JontheEchidna: are you there?
[11:07] <droidslayer> Party fail???  What? How?
[11:23] <valorie> happy birthday, Riddell!
[11:24]  * valorie just finished reading up; have been gone most of today
[11:24] <valorie> will try to briefly touch base with apachelogger: pong
[11:37] <_Groo_> hi/2 all
[11:37] <_Groo_> guys rc1 is most likely broken
[11:38] <_Groo_> its missing libpolkit-qt-1-1 , can only find libpolkit-qt-1-0
[11:38] <_Groo_> so it removes kdebase, which removes half the system :D
[11:38] <_Groo_> can anyone verify this?
[11:45] <Trouble> My upgrade Maverick from beta 2 -> RC 1 was flawless
[11:46] <Trouble> (amd64)
[11:48] <_Groo_> just confirmed it, its libpolkit allright
[11:49] <_Groo_> polkitkde asks for libpolkit-qt-1-1, the ppa as libpolkit-qt-1-1
[11:49] <_Groo_> sorry the ppa as libpolkit-qt-1-0
[11:49] <_Groo_> dont know how it was compiled
[11:49] <droidslayer> Wait I updates
[11:50] <droidslayer> Updated that yesterday
[11:50] <droidslayer> I backported the new polkit iirc
[11:51] <_Groo_> well look for libpolkit-qt-1-1 in maverick or ppa, theres none to be found, and kdebase is linked to it..
[11:51] <_Groo_> so basically for a normal user it removes the entire system XD
[11:51] <_Groo_> only libpolkit-qt-1-0 is rhere, which are my packages
[11:52] <_Groo_> i didnt participate in the rc1 cause of lack of time :P
[11:52] <droidslayer> Means someone forgot to copy it
[11:52] <_Groo_> yeah, backported 1-1 on my machine and now the dependy hell is gone
[11:53]  * _Groo_ thinks of apachelogger  or Riddell , they have shitty memory ;)
[11:53] <droidslayer> Yeah hold on... ill copy it over
[11:53] <_Groo_> i dont wanna know how many users we broke XD
[11:54] <droidslayer> apachelogger: is to be blamed
[11:54] <droidslayer> B-)
[11:55] <_Groo_> droidslayer: put apachelogger head on a spike! :D
[11:55] <_Groo_> droidslayer: we demand it!
[11:55] <droidslayer> :-D
[11:58] <droidslayer> Copied...  will take a few mins tho
[12:01] <Quintasan> Riddell: ping
[12:35] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: i doubt he will be online today :
[12:36] <Riddell> Quintasan: hi
[12:37] <shadeslayer> hah ... :P
[12:37] <shadeslayer> Riddell: go party!! what are you doing here
[12:38] <Riddell> thanks for coping over polkit-qt-1
[12:38] <shadeslayer> and rbelem's patches work :)
[12:38] <shadeslayer> No problem
[12:45] <Riddell> shadeslayer: great, put them in our bzr packaging then
[12:45] <shadeslayer> uh wait what
[12:45] <shadeslayer> i thought they were in our packages already
[12:46] <shadeslayer> because i have no problem configuring samba shares
[12:46] <shadeslayer> and someone is in my WiFi network :/
[12:46] <Riddell> mm, don't think so
[12:47] <Nightrose> Riddell: Happy Birthday! :)
[12:48] <Riddell> thanks Nightrose!  have some strawberry wine
[12:48] <Nightrose> ohhhhhh
[12:48] <Nightrose> that sounds nice
[12:49] <Riddell> "The koffice 2.3.0 source tarball and associated translations are now available on ktown" just incase anyone fancies some more packaging
[12:53] <dantti> Riddell: are you able to test a patch for pk 0.5.7 (lucid), I'm a bit tired of pk-qt bugs comming in :P
[13:05] <shadeslayer> dantti: so kpk crashes on natty
[13:05] <shadeslayer> dantti: http://paste.ubuntu.com/547207
[13:07] <shadeslayer> there was this new apt sources line
[13:08] <shadeslayer> which automatically chooses the mirror for you
[13:08] <shadeslayer> what was it
[13:08] <EagleScreen> JontheEchidna: muon 1.0.90 build for lucid, but it is not friendly installable, because apt 0.8 breaks many other packaging stuff like synaptic,aptitude, python-apt, kpackagekit, etc....; sorry but I didn't want to mean that the packages were ready and tested when you copied them.
[13:09] <dantti> shadeslayer: sure, kde4.6 has a kdialog change and I was stupid to have kpk a local copy
[13:09] <dantti> shadeslayer: 0.6.3.2 is there to fix things :P http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=84745
[13:09] <shadeslayer> ah 
[13:09] <shadeslayer> well ... someone should package it then :P
[13:09] <shadeslayer> package the new package manager LD
[13:09] <shadeslayer> :D
[13:12] <dantti> shadeslayer: sure :P
[13:13] <dantti> shadeslayer: I poked Riddell about this, since it should be included in kde 4.6 backports too
[13:13] <shadeslayer> yep
[13:14] <shadeslayer> stop poking Riddell its his birthday .... :P
[13:18] <freinhard> hi!
[13:18] <freinhard> 4.6 from the backports ppa isn't ready yet?
[13:18] <freinhard> +beta
[13:19] <shadeslayer> freinhard: it is, there was a small glitch tho, its fixed now
[13:19] <shadeslayer> so you might want to update your sources
[13:20] <freinhard> so there are no more broken dependencies?
[13:20] <shadeslayer> should be fixed now
[13:21] <freinhard> just update, doesn't work properly, wait a while?
[13:21] <shadeslayer> freinhard: can you post the output of sudo apt-get dist upgrade?
[13:21] <_Groo_> should i be worried? :D Need to get 0B/666MB of archives.
[13:22] <freinhard> http://dpaste.com/290173/
[13:22] <_Groo_> thats a mean number for a kde release ;l
[13:22] <shadeslayer> _Groo_: lawl
[13:22] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: i hope it doesnt open a portal and transports me to apachelogger personal hell :P
[13:22] <shadeslayer> freinhard: have you done sudo apt-get update ?
[13:23] <_Groo_> Riddell: ping
[13:23] <_Groo_> Riddell: happy birthday ping
[13:23] <freinhard> shadeslayer: just right before, i'll try again
[13:23] <_Groo_> Riddell: pong
[13:23] <_Groo_> Riddell: and a pong to match :D
[13:24] <freinhard> shadeslayer: btw, that was aptitude dist-upgrade and not apt-get
[13:24] <shadeslayer> ah
[13:24] <shadeslayer> see thats the problem
[13:24] <shadeslayer> freinhard: you need apt-get
[13:24] <shadeslayer> it is more supreme .... apparently ...
[13:25] <shadeslayer> lol trying
[13:25] <shadeslayer> 0_o
[13:25] <shadeslayer> wtg
[13:25] <_Groo_> freinhard: check to see if libpolkit-1-0 isnt conflicting with 1-1
[13:25] <freinhard> apt-get would free 279MB, therefore i guess apt-get would just remove these packages
[13:25] <shadeslayer> my keyboard has gone insane
[13:25] <_Groo_> freinhard: if it is, remove 1-0 by hand and apt-get -f install or aptitude -f install
[13:26] <shadeslayer> freinhard: can you post the output of sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade?
[13:26] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: i think hes getting the polkit problem too... the update shouldnt remove such an amount of MBs.. it would say update not remove
[13:26] <_Groo_> brb
[13:26] <shadeslayer> http://lwn.net/Articles/420152/ << lol
[13:27] <freinhard> http://dpaste.com/290180/
[13:28] <freinhard> maybe it's kubuntu-debug-installer
[13:29] <freinhard> that one needs qapt-batch
[13:30] <freinhard> hmm no, whatever... something is broken ;)
[13:31] <freinhard> that would remove kdepim, i guess i need to install the beta?
[13:39] <dantti> shadeslayer: really? Happy birthday Riddel then :D
[13:53] <bulldog98> Riddell: happy birthday
[13:54] <bulldog98> apachelogger: why is the party a fail?
[14:03] <_Groo_> could anyolne pls confirm that kstars is still broken in rc1? just open it, it should show a black fields instead of the stars field
[14:05] <yofel> _Groo_: confirmed
[14:05] <_Groo_> yofel: damn :P
[14:06] <_Groo_> yofel: do you use krdc btw?
[14:07] <yofel> nope, haven't tried anything vlc like in a while
[14:07] <yofel> *vnc
[14:14] <jussi> hrm
[14:15] <jussi> why is kteatime under "games"?
[14:15] <shadeslayer> because apparently making tea is a game
[14:16] <jussi> right...
[14:16] <jussi> it should probably go under utilities, no+
[14:16] <jussi> ?
[14:16] <shadeslayer> id say so
[14:17] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: http://i.imgur.com/ZeJOo.png
[14:59] <shadeslayer> !find rvm-prompt 
[15:00] <shadeslayer> !find rvm
[15:00] <shadeslayer> :S
[15:39] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: http://i.imgur.com/lg3IB.png lol
[16:04] <shadeslayer> weirdness http://paste.ubuntu.com/547268
[16:49] <ulysses> no background on kdm, and smooth tasks still crashes plasma desktop
[16:50] <shadeslayer> confirmed ^^
[16:50] <shadeslayer> smooth tasks might need a rebuild
[17:17] <shadeslayer> ulysses: ive uploaded a rebuild of smooth tasks
[17:17] <shadeslayer> well .. its uploading :P
[17:21] <shadeslayer> dantti_far_away: lol... far away? :P
[17:22] <ulysses> Long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away…
[17:27] <shadeslayer> errr
[17:51] <shadeslayer> ulysses: if you have i386 the package is built
[17:51] <shadeslayer> can you check if it fixes the crash issue?
[17:56] <ulysses> shadeslayer: isn't on the mirror yet (using main mirror)
[17:57] <shadeslayer> ulysses: your on maverick right?
[17:57] <shadeslayer> or natty?
[17:57] <ulysses> natty
[17:57] <shadeslayer> bah
[17:57] <shadeslayer> i thought you were on maverick .... :P
[17:58] <shadeslayer> dunno then
[17:58] <ulysses> bah, stabel release for dummies, the brave people use development release^^
[18:00] <shadeslayer> :P
[18:08] <KRF> ulysses: is natty "usable" atm? :)
[18:10] <ari-tczew> KRF: kubuntu works fine
[18:11] <dasKreech> As kinda expected 
[18:12] <shadeslayer> well ... from #ubuntu-devel : GDM is broken ... lawl
[18:13] <shadeslayer> KRF: its pretty much maverick slapped on with KDE 4.5.90 and a new kernel
[18:13] <shadeslayer> nothing exciting as of now
[18:14] <shadeslayer> oh oh .. no HAL ... but that can be removed from maverick as well :P
[18:18] <KRF> oki 
[18:18] <yofel> gdm should be fixed by now, they downgraded gtk again
[18:19] <yofel> at least clipboard works again here
[18:22] <shadeslayer> yofel: its in their topic, and im directly quoting from there .... i dont have gnome :P
[18:23] <yofel> I followed it since it was tied to the c&p issue I had, it's fixed by now
[18:25] <shadeslayer> interesting ... now we have 2 office suites for KDE
[18:25] <shadeslayer> http://lwn.net/Articles/419822/
[18:31] <ulysses> KRF: there are some issue, but it is usable
[18:40] <ulysses> oh holy cow, system tray is buggy
[18:42] <yofel> well, I'm off. Merry Christmas folks!
[18:46] <Quintasan> Riddell: urgh
[18:47] <Quintasan> Riddell: I don't know if you read the thing at #kde-devel
[18:47] <Quintasan> they would like a valgrind log for nepomuk crash and I have no idea at all how to do this
[18:50] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: tell them you dont know how to and they will guide you
[18:50] <shadeslayer> http://i.imgur.com/vVxqK.png everyone
[18:51] <Quintasan> lol
[18:52] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: you scanned it right? :P
[18:52] <Quintasan> Yup
[18:52] <Quintasan> Well, I read it directly from Data Matix
[18:52] <Quintasan> I scanned it with my eyes
[18:53] <shadeslayer> lawl
[18:53] <Quintasan> Herp, not dfaure nor treug are on #kde-devel
[18:53] <Quintasan> welll it's xmass after all
[18:53] <Quintasan> I'd love to throw some work at them :P
[18:54] <shadeslayer> haha
[19:56] <jjesse> just did a do-release-upgrade -d on my netbook w/o any problems, looks good guys :)
[21:22] <ScottK> Reading https://wiki.debian.org/HALRemoval - It says k3b still needs hal.  Riddell: we should find someone to look into that.
[21:24]  * ScottK is taking a shot at fixing the kdegames FTBFS on armel.
[21:48] <JontheEchidna> HAL also seems to be needed for media device support in amarok
[21:50] <ulysses> JontheEchidna: is it normal that Muon Software Center doesn't use the translations?
[21:50] <JontheEchidna> any translations at all?
[21:51] <ulysses> except that one in Kickoff, the menu entry
[21:51] <JontheEchidna> that's not normal
[21:54] <ulysses> good to know:)
[22:00] <ulysses> anyway, Muon Software Center is awesome
[22:02] <JontheEchidna> ^.^
[22:03] <ulysses> I should write a review to show that Kubuntu is more awesome that the crappy purple Ubuntu
[22:04] <yofel> rather make colin or whoever revert that ugly aubergine grub background :S
[22:24] <apachelogger> Riddell: happy bday
[22:41] <ulysses> Riddell: happy birthday!
[22:41] <ulysses> and merry christmas to all