[00:05] <coz_> lol...wow... everything is screwed up..   gome panel... flash..java  gdm
[00:06] <crimsun> welcome to Natty Narwhal!
[00:06] <coz_> lol
[00:06] <crimsun> you know the drill...
[00:06] <coz_> yep  i sure do :)
[00:09] <coz_> well cairo dock is  still working as long as I dont enable systray plugin :)
[00:10] <coz_> well not all of java is broken...openbravo sitll funtions properly... just in firefox I suppose
[00:11] <coz_> ah billard-gl doesnt work ...thats interesing
[00:37] <coz_> cool... gtk updates  lets  hope  :)
[00:39] <yofel> hm, with gtk 2.23.3-1ubuntu3 it's not that nothing happens when I try to copy something, it's just that the application crashes as soon as I select something.. - let's see if the downgrade will help
[00:40] <coz_> ah  a gnome panel has appeared :)
[00:40] <coz_> I can go to bed happy now
[00:40] <nit-wit> there's know place like gnome
[00:40] <coz_> :)
[00:58] <BUGabundo> and the new updates are even more broken. won't install. stuck at man-db
[01:02] <ikonia> oh dear
[01:03] <BUGabundo> and even a -9 won't kill it
[01:03] <BUGabundo> forcing a configure -a
[01:04] <BUGabundo> ikonia: can you update /topic to NOT recommend upgrades at this time
[01:04] <ikonia> I thought it already did
[01:04] <ikonia> it it already does say
[01:04] <BUGabundo> or many natty ubunteros will miss their PCs for the holidays
[01:04] <BUGabundo> humm it didn't fit my screen
[01:04] <BUGabundo> :(
[01:12] <yofel> robert uploaded a downgrade to gtk 2.32.2 a while ago, so I hope we'll have usable systems again soon
[01:13] <yofel> interestingly 2.23.3ubuntu3 only crashes firefox and thunderbird, all other gtk apps work fine again
[01:14] <Amaranth> yofel: I imagine others don't deal with foreign (X11) windows directly
[01:14] <yofel> probably
[01:15] <BUGabundo> pidgin doesn't work well
[01:15] <BUGabundo> nor firefox
[01:15] <BUGabundo> or gedit
[01:16] <BUGabundo> chromium works more or less
[01:16] <BUGabundo> gnome-terminal doesn't work eitehr
[01:17] <yofel> gnome-terminal and gedit work fine here now
[01:17] <BUGabundo> apt/dpkg affected some how
[01:17] <BUGabundo> unrelated
[02:34] <Guest20238> Hi! i made the stupid decision to upgrade to 11.04 ubuntu alpha and im having problems at the login page that flickers.
[02:35] <holstein> can you login?
[02:36] <BUGabundo> Guest20238: today is a really bad day to upgrade
[02:39] <Guest20238> i know i know. i immediately regretted the decision to upgrade. i was unaware that it was the alpha version.
[02:40] <Guest20238> i really need to login and save my webpages that were left open in firefox.
[02:40] <BUGabundo> classic login or unity ?
[02:41] <Guest20238> classic login
[02:44] <nit-wit> whats the gconf-editor section for the windows controls moved from left to right used to be in nautilus
[02:44] <BUGabundo> beats me, sorry
[02:44] <Guest20238> where do i find xorg.conf ??
[02:45] <BUGabundo> !commands
[02:45] <Guest20238> imma try to replace my HD xorg.conf with the one from the live cd.
[02:45] <BUGabundo> nit-wit: there was a bot command for that. it iludes me right now
[02:45] <Guest20238> im on the live cd now
[02:45] <nit-wit> BUGabundo, yah saw the bot
[02:45] <BUGabundo> Guest20238: you have to mount / and edit /etc/X11/xorg *if* there is such a thing
[02:46] <BUGabundo> we don't use it now
[02:46] <BUGabundo> !left
[02:46] <BUGabundo> !rightleft
[02:46] <BUGabundo> !right
[02:47] <nit-wit> the side to side can be done by theme changes, but  can't tell if it is the themes causing no dropdowns at times
[02:47] <Guest20238> i see xorg.conf.save in /etc/x10 but not xorg.conf
[02:48] <Guest20238> can't i just sudo the replacement?
[02:51] <BUGabundo> what for ?
[02:53] <Guest20238> i saw a post about this flickering login page problem and someone suggested replacing the live cd xorg.conf with the one on the ubuntu hard drive
[02:53] <Guest20238> suggesting it would fix the issue
[02:55] <Guest20238> thought that was on a ubuntu 9.04 post with the same flickering login page problem
[03:02] <Guest20238> any ideas anyone?
[03:04] <Guest20238> how can i enable auto-login from terminal?
[03:08] <holstein> http://tombuntu.com/index.php/2010/01/01/enable-automatic-login-in-ubuntu-9-10-server/
[03:08] <holstein> ^^ maybe...
[03:10] <Guest20238> thanks my friend
[05:15] <billybigrigger> is there no wine packages for natty?
[05:16] <billybigrigger> Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-wine/ppa/ubuntu/dists/natty/main/source/Sources.gz  404  Not Found
[05:16] <billybigrigger> just use maverick instead?
[08:06] <MTecknology> heh.... my clipboard isn't working very well today
[09:29] <rye> is the issue that gnome-keyring cannot be contacted known?
[10:21] <AlanBell> !info wine
[10:21] <AlanBell> billybigrigger: there are wine packages in natty, but not in that ppa
[10:22] <billybigrigger> i just used maverick packages
[10:37] <AlanBell> no, you didn't :)
[10:37] <AlanBell> you have a ppa set up, go to software sources and remove it or edit your /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:38] <AlanBell> you have the ubuntu-wine ppa set up http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-wine/ppa/
[11:05] <Ian_Corne> bah, I did full-upgrade
[11:06] <Ian_Corne> and now the wireless applet is gone
[11:06] <Ian_Corne> or the indicator
[11:08] <ElPasmo> Hi, I've downloaded Natty amd64 daily build: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/natty-desktop-amd64.iso and I've use the startup disk creator to create an usb live. The problem is I'm not able to boot from usb live, it keeps forever doing the load animation with the Ubuntu logo.
[11:11] <rumpe1> ElPasmo, same problem hier .. had to use unetbootin for alternate. Then it worked.
[11:21] <ElPasmo> mmm I don't know unetbootin, I'll check it... thanks rumpe1
[11:42] <ElPasmo> rumpe1, it worked... thanks a lot :)
[11:42] <coz_> ok guys... current updates  ok?
[11:44] <coz_> ah darn... nevermind... I accidentaly hit enter :)
[11:49] <rumpe1> ElPasmo, nice :)
[13:49] <alkisg> How can I do `aptitude changelog package` in Natty? Is there an apt-* equivalent installed?
[13:51] <yofel> alkisg: there's apt-get changelog package in natty
[13:51] <alkisg> Ty, trying it..
[14:33] <penguin42> there appears to be a fix in at  the moment for 693737 - someone rolled an older version to replace it
[14:36] <yofel> cool, someone broke bazaar
[14:36] <cdbs> yofel: What is cool in that?
[14:37] <yofel> nothing, I'm just don't feel like throwing curses around today
[14:37] <yofel> -'m
[14:37] <yofel> bug 693915
[16:21] <BUGabundo> My most dear online friends, best wishes of an Happy Merry Xtmas for you all and your Families!
[16:22] <charlie-tca> And a very Merry Christmas to you, also!
[16:23] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: family all around you now, or what?
[16:24] <BUGabundo> are you playing nauty santa this year?
[16:24] <charlie-tca> I have my daughter and grandsons here, yes.
[16:25] <charlie-tca> no, not playing santa
[18:32] <yofel> Merry Christmas folks!
[18:40] <charlie-tca> and a very Merry Christmas to you, also
[19:11] <nacho_> hey guys
[19:11] <nacho_> is the new development version of ubuntu usable?
[19:12]  * nacho_ usually use the unstable version but I'm kinda scared of the switch to wayland
[19:12] <charlie-tca> nacho_: no
[19:12] <vish> nacho_: no switch to wayland yet. wont happen for Natty
[19:12] <charlie-tca> did you see the topic? That bug is not stable
[19:13] <nacho_> btw is gtk3 shipped?
[19:13] <vish> nacho_: no
[19:13] <nacho_> no?
[19:14] <vish> nacho_: not on the CD , but will be in universe or in a ppa
[19:14] <nacho_> :( seems I'll have to keep testing gedit with jhbuild
[19:14] <vish> hmm.. wait :s i think thats about GNOME3 , gtk3 i'm confused now!
[19:20] <vish> wow! the new VirtualBox is awesome!  when we want to create a new VM.. as soon as we type "Natty"  it automatically selects Linux/Ubuntu  wow!
[19:31] <charlie-tca> I wish I could turn that preview screen off, though
[19:49] <vish> charlie-tca: there is an option to disable it , right-click the preview image
[19:56] <charlie-tca> never thought of that
[19:57] <vish> charlie-tca: ooh! just found another way to disable it.. if we double click it it totally goes away.. o.0
[19:57] <charlie-tca> I guess that will work. It is rather irritating when I got two machines runnings
[19:57] <charlie-tca> That works for me. Thanks
[19:57] <vish> np.. to restore preview we have to click the "preview" again..
[19:57] <charlie-tca> I don't want to restore it
[19:58] <vish> yea.. i dont see the point of having the preview..
[19:58] <charlie-tca> It only shows the last machine started. If there is more than one running, it just confuses things
[20:27] <mongy> I have tried alpha and a few daily lives and I cant for the life of me get a working persistent usb stick to see/use the persistence part..
[21:33] <Volkodav> The "add euro" option doesn't
[21:33] <Volkodav> seem to do anything is that just me ?
[21:40] <Volkodav> € now OK
[21:42] <Volkodav> gHBGETD
[21:50] <lamlex> Has anyone tried installing natty on a macbook pro?
[21:50] <lamlex> The installer doesn't show any text with the live, and while there's a daily -mac image there doesn't seem to be one for the alpha one
[21:55] <charlie-tca> If there was no one to test, there is no alpha1 image
[21:56] <lamlex> can i use the normal one to install onto a macbook? does it matter? i dont really know what the difference is
[21:56] <lamlex> I guess I could just use a maverick cd and upgrade
[21:57] <charlie-tca> the normal image should work on anything with the intel processor. The powerpc image is specific to the ppc
[21:58] <lamlex> we dont officially make ppc images anymore
[21:59] <lamlex> I'm going to try the non-live cd I guess
[21:59] <charlie-tca> sure we do - http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/daily/current/
[21:59] <lamlex> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/
[21:59] <charlie-tca> for natty, too
[21:59] <lamlex> interesting
[22:00] <charlie-tca> what we dropped was the ps3 images
[22:00] <lamlex> I was pretty sure we dropped ppc a few releases ago
[22:01] <charlie-tca> It that is true, why are there PowerPC images in current?
[22:01] <lamlex> Well apparently it's not true
[22:01] <lamlex> macbooks aren't ppc anyway so this is kind of irrelevant
[22:11]  * penguin42 thinks I'll upgrade my main machine to Natty, it's a long enough break to recover :-)
[22:11] <penguin42> this laptop seems to be surviving OK as long as I don't go anywhere near Compiz, although I don't do as much interesting with it
[22:13] <lamlex> penguin42: Well help us get compiz working for you
[22:13] <lamlex> we want you to run Unity
[22:13] <penguin42> lamlex: Yeh I'll keep trying on this laptop with that
[22:14] <coz_> penguin42,   which video is on board that laptop?
[22:16] <IdleOne> is the bug in the topic fixed?
[22:16] <penguin42> coz_: Intel 945GM
[22:17] <penguin42> IdleOne: Seems to be
[22:17] <coz_> sorry about that
[22:17] <coz_> IdleOne,  it was fixed with this mornings  updates for me
[22:17] <coz_> penguin42,  ok  mmm  I dont about that intel graphics chip
[22:17] <IdleOne> so can we remove the warning from topic?
[22:17] <IdleOne> or should we still wait a bit
[22:17] <coz_> IdleOne,  ah well i would think so but I would ask amaranth  or someone actually
[22:18] <IdleOne> ok i'll leave it for now
[22:18] <coz_> IdleOne,  there is always tomorrows bugs to break some thing anywy :)
[22:19] <IdleOne> haha
[22:19] <penguin42> coz_: The stuff I had today did look like graphics driver, but other stuff over the last week or two with lots of crashing panel stuff and the crashing compiz panel and a few others
[22:19] <coz_> penguin42,  ah yeah  that panel crashing I believe was fixed this morening
[22:19] <coz_> morning
[22:20] <coz_> penguin42,  but then there's always tomorrow.... I know it's repeating myself :)
[22:23] <penguin42> coz_: To be honest I'm ok at trying to help get it working, but I don't normally use compiz anyway
[22:24] <coz_> penguin42,  ah ok..well  if you dont use compiz on natty you would have to disable the Ubuntu unity plugin in ccsm... and use classic gnome desktop which you can choose during login
[22:25] <coz_> penguin42,  although the compiz that comes with natty is 0.9.x  the c++  version and is much les resource intensive for the most part
[22:25] <yofel> IdleOne: we can remove that warning, gtk was downgraded in the archive reverting that bug
[22:28] <penguin42> coz_: Yeh it's fine with classic
[22:29] <coz_> penguin42,  yep :)  I prefer classic myself   especially on this dual monitor system... global menu is near useless with dual monitors
[22:29] <IdleOne> compiz doesn't display the window buttons for me, need to metacity --replace
[22:30] <coz_> IdleOne,  in unity?
[22:30] <IdleOne> in classic
[22:30] <coz_> oh
[22:31] <penguin42> ppa-purge's xorg-edgers
[22:32] <coz_> IdleOne,   do you have /usr/bin/compiz-decorator in the "Command" field under window decorations in ccsm?
[22:33] <IdleOne> coz_: yes
[22:33] <coz_> mmm
[22:34] <coz_> IdleOne,  I havent tried gtk-window-decorator  for unity yet.. but in all honesty I compiled  0.9x  onto natty instead of the default 0.9
[22:35] <IdleOne> hmmm, visual effects is gone from Appearances
[22:38] <penguin42> hmm, I keep getting 'the package ubuntu-desktop is marked for removal but it is in the removal blacklist'
[22:56] <penguin42> hmm why is it removing notify-osd
[23:02] <speedvin> Hello!
[23:02] <speedvin> Does someone got working gimp on natty?
[23:02] <rumpe1> speedvin, used it some days ago... no problem
[23:02] <rumpe1> distro[Ubuntu "natty" 11.04]
[23:03] <rumpe1> Linux natty 2.6.37-8-generic #21-Ubuntu SMP Sun Dec 5 17:57:05 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux
[23:07] <coz_> speedvin,  yes I have gimp on natty here
[23:07] <coz_> let me check that it still works
[23:07] <coz_> yep it works
[23:09] <coz_> speedvin,  I have been testing most of the graphics apps...agave..blender. cenon.. fontmanager..gimp..g3dviewer..inkscape...k3d..misfit model....patch  price...pinta..
[23:10] <coz_> phatch  rather
[23:10] <speedvin> coz_: for me it does not...
[23:10] <coz_> ooo
[23:10] <coz_> speedvin,  you installed via apt  yes?
[23:10] <speedvin> coz_: I got segmentation fault :(
[23:10] <speedvin> coz_: yes ;)
[23:11] <coz_> mm let me check to be s ure I didnt use a ppa  hold on
[23:11] <speedvin> coz_: PPA? Maybe it can help me to get unstable version of gimp and run it :)
[23:11] <coz_> speedvin,  no it was from synatpic ....
[23:12] <coz_> speedvin,   I dont know... I think I installed via apt because the ppa didnt work but let me check
[23:12] <coz_> speedvin,    https://launchpad.net/~matthaeus123/+archive/mrw-gimp-svn
[23:13] <coz_> speedvin,  i dont think that will work though
[23:13] <speedvin> coz_: Packages there need python<<2.7 :(
[23:13] <coz_> ah ok
[23:14] <coz_> speedvin,  maybe purge gimp and then reinstall it
[23:14] <speedvin> coz_: I tried that  but I got the same effect as now
[23:15] <coz_> speedvin,  oooo... I wo nder why it is segfaulting for you?  no other terminal output ?
[23:15] <speedvin> coz_: no :(
[23:15] <coz_> yikes
[23:28] <mongy> .
[23:42] <penguin42> hmm 1hour 54 min remaining...
[23:45] <alex_mayorga> what's my best bet to deal with bad sectors on a crappy HDD?
[23:48] <Volkodav> copy and trash the disk
[23:49] <penguin42> alex_mayorga: a new disk
[23:49] <penguin42> alex_mayorga: If there are bad sectors it's most likely it will develop more
[23:49] <penguin42> not always, but still
[23:50] <alex_mayorga> penguin42, Volkodav: thanks, I actually put no valuable data on it, but I've been having kernel panics and such
[23:51] <alex_mayorga> dunno if related really, but was wondering if there's an easy way to let natty know about the faulty sectors
[23:52] <Volkodav> I would do fresh install on a new disk
[23:52] <penguin42> alex_mayorga: badblocks can scan a disk and produce a file that looks like it might be possible to pass to mke2fs or e2fsck
[23:52] <alex_mayorga> Volkodav: that's my long term plan as well, but until I can afford a new HDD, I'd like to make the OS aware of these
[23:53] <Volkodav> aware ?
[23:53] <alex_mayorga> penguin42: thanks on the pointers, I'd look into it
[23:53] <penguin42> has the notification system changed in natty?
[23:58] <alex_mayorga> supposedly Toshiba gives 5 year warranty, so I might get lucky