[00:21] hmm [00:26] hmmm? [00:27] my windows XP is wrecked, so trying the new ubuntu [00:27] and bugging everyone in this chan was one of my priority apps to setup ;) [00:28] but in all serious, just sick of things breaking [00:33] don't like empathy ;) === MonsterKiller is now known as monsterkiller [00:34] * jpds tries to feel for hamitron, but is reminded to the fact that he hates empathy. [00:34] hehe [00:35] if only I could hide the speech bubbles... [00:37] but I suppose I should select my OS to install, before minor stuff like that [00:37] i thought that was a theme thing you can disable [00:37] by changing it to classic [00:37] also, hi [00:37] hi dafty :) [00:37] ^_^ [00:38] I maybe need to reopen my chat window? [00:38] mayhaps [00:39] I am really tempted to give ubuntu a go on my gaming pc again [00:39] :/ [00:39] it is between XP, 7 and ubuntu [00:41] I am now wishing I didn't have 2 x 300Gb hd in RAID 0 :/ [00:41] with data on, like a big foolish user of windows [00:43] 503Gb of junk, and 21Gb of hdd free to move it to :) [00:47] if you have a PCI raid controller with 2 hdd on it, and move it to another comp... can it read the data previously stored? [00:49] ubuntu has a habit of switching from popular well liked apps to new ones, that although look good on papr, are often half finished, lacking features and buggy [00:50] still prefer pidgin over empathy for example. first thing i do with ubuntu is ditch a bunch of default stuff [00:50] mmm-hmm [00:50] and the other thing. ubuntu "ties" itself in closely with their choice of apps. like the volume widget and rhythmbox. or the calendar and evolution [00:50] it's kind of amusing because in the past, all the default stuff made me think "ah great, so much less to do" [00:50] yeh [00:50] but of course now, you have to pull it all off before you upgrade, so you don't grab updates for things you don't want :D [00:51] though in its' favour once again, there's APT, so no hassle there either :D [00:52] apt/dpkg is light years ahead of the software management facilities on Windows and OS X [00:52] OS X less so than Windows [00:52] yeh.. i recently had the pleasure of doing some work on centos.. i dont uderstand why its popular for server stuff, since the basic lamp packages are a mess [00:52] no split configs/.d dirs. just a big old mess [00:53] what you get used to I suppose [00:53] must admit I always resist change [00:53] ;/ [00:53] i dont mind change, but it seemed a downgrade. [00:53] i had to use CentOS at Uni [00:54] i get frustrated by any distro change really, different default configs etc :D [00:54] i love the way the ubuntu ones at least sort of document some in their alternate locations now [00:54] nothing wrong with a change of distro... stops you getting into the habit of 1 set of ways [00:54] e.g. go to /config/file/here.conf and it'll say "Sorry daftykins, but your daemon's configured in another castle" [00:54] hehe [00:54] and i'll be able to save time \o/ [00:55] my favourite distro is still ubuntu 8.04 :/ [00:56] lots of companies probably choose centos as the second sentence they have says "enterprise class" [00:56] I don't even know what a load of this stuff is in 10.04 [00:56] centos is similar to redhat? [00:56] yeh [00:56] centos is redhat minus branding [00:57] suppose that is good if you use closed source apps [00:57] red hat is only useful because you are paying for a phone number to shout at when it breaks [00:57] otherwise, it's crap [00:57] i dont use ubuntu on my servers. i switch my home fileserver to ubuntu, but sort of regretted that in a way. glad i left my others on debian [00:58] and centos is red hat minus the phone number [00:58] directhex, lol :) [00:58] redhat has a cooler name [00:58] ;/ [00:58] the only reason to use centos is so you can lie to your app vendor when they ask if you're running red hat [00:58] :D [00:59] XD [00:59] 'cos they work it out when you're running debian [00:59] trust me [00:59] work out the problem? [00:59] oh i get you [01:00] sooooo [01:00] can I move a RAID controller to another comp? [01:00] :/ [01:00] and keep the data on a RAID 0 setup [01:00] if it fits [01:00] the controller, or the disks? [01:01] controller and 2 disks setup with RAID 0 [01:01] :/ [01:01] yes. [01:01] yarr [01:01] is the OS on it? [01:01] avast! [01:01] yes dafty [01:01] only it only boots in safe mode [01:01] :/ [01:02] my intention is to not boot the OS off the RAID [01:02] I got a feeling this is gonna bite me [01:03] wait wait wait [01:03] what are you wanting to achieve? :D [01:03] not sure [01:03] haha [01:04] I got a 2 x 300Gb RAID 0 gaming machine with data stored on [01:04] and the copy of windows has died... can only boot in safe mode with networking [01:05] I have a spare 500Gb hdd I would like my clean OS on [01:05] suppose I could install that and the OS, then maybe move most of the data over [01:05] I was not planning on windows breaking :/ [01:06] or boot a liveCD and rescue it to another disk? [01:06] my 8.04 live cd won't read it [01:07] I thought it was maybe because you need to use alternative cd to use RAID? [01:08] could try slackware install cd maybe [01:08] you do 0o but it's hardware RAID no? [01:09] I dunno [01:09] ;/ [01:09] i'd have expected a new enough distro on a new enough kernel would happily see the NTFS volume [01:09] it is some SATA 1 ALi RAID controller [01:09] D: [01:09] cheap [01:10] I'd guess software I suppose [01:13] no doubt [01:13] but it should be abstracted still [01:14] even if it were a couple of silicon image chips slapped onto a PCI bus adapter [01:17] half tempted to just leave XP running in safe mode [01:17] hehe [01:17] I got synergy running [01:24] brb, coffee === locobot_2_2 is now known as locobot_2 === Daviey_ is now known as Daviey === Seeker`_ is now known as Seeker` === Moot2 is now known as MootBot [01:34] bk [02:36] exit [03:02] dug out the good old low spec machine :) [03:02] well, it has a 3D processor.... so not too low ;/ [03:02] I booted Ubuntu at work today, from a liveDVD [03:03] people seemed quite taken with it. [03:03] go well? [03:03] cool :) [07:12] Merry Christmas everyone ! [08:14] Morning all [08:27] Aloha [08:29] HI [08:31] Morning All :) [08:54] ho ho ho [08:54] it's xmas eve and I've yet to hear any Slade [08:54] * MartijnVdS always wondered why Santa calls people "ho" [08:55] danfish: http://open.spotify.com/track/5b9yUVqrXQxVUn3okCEZav [08:55] he listens to gangsta rap whilst doing his rounds I've heard [08:56] morning danfish :) [08:56] I haven't heard any slade yet either :) [08:57] * screen-x listens to similar artists: propellerheads [08:58] screen-x: Lemongrass! [08:59] stuphi: thankyou, slade shortage rectified :) [08:59] also finally signed up for spotify [08:59] MartijnVdS: you have mentioned that a few times, maybe it is time to try it.. [08:59] screen-x: also Alphawezen [08:59] danfish: paying? [09:00] screen-x: also other artists on that label (Mole Listening Pearls) [09:00] screen-x: whoa there - one step at a time :) [09:00] MartijnVdS: ok :) [09:00] screen-x: (http://www.mole.de/eng/newspage.php) [09:01] Apache/2.2.8 (Ubuntu) mod_fastcgi/2.4.6 mod_jk/1.2.25 PHP/5.2.4-2ubuntu5.12 with Suhosin-Patch mod_ssl/2.2.8 OpenSSL/0.9.8g Server at mole.de Port 80 [09:01] ubuntu \o/ [09:01] \o/ [09:02] a Matt Asay piece in el reg [09:02] 09:00 < screen-x> MartijnVdS: ok :) [09:02] we'll try that again [09:02] http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/12/24/2011_and_open_source/ [09:03] MartijnVdS: (auto play music in web pages)-- [09:03] screen-x: agreed.. I didn't make that site :) [09:52] hmmm [09:52] I thought the vpn was choppy this morning, mtr reports 80% packet loss between here and work.. [09:54] only 20% of that is lost on the wifi hop. [09:59] nice [09:59] broken switch/router? [10:00] snowed-in cables? [10:00] seems to be a bt router thats the culprit [10:01] \o/ bt [10:01] *cough* [10:05] t2c1-ge11-0-0.uk-eal.eu.bt.net to be precise [10:10] i have returned [10:10] * MartijnVdS runs [10:10] why do people do that [10:10] * danfish joins MartijnVdS ;) [10:11] Phineas: do you have a list of options to choose from? :) [10:12] sorta [10:12] 1) [10:13] what would i like to do with menu.list? (during update) [10:13] Phineas: depends.. did you edit it manually? [10:13] MartijnVdS, no [10:14] Phineas: and it's asking you the diff/new/old question? [10:15] nope its asking me in a window named debconf on *computer name* [10:15] wow.. [10:15] what are the options? [10:17] keep current version, install package mantiners versoin, start new shell to examen situation, and a load of merge and compareing options [10:18] Phineas: try the "diff" option [10:19] it should show which lines it would remove (-) and add (+) if you were to choose "package maintainer's version" [10:19] side by side , 3 way or 3 way merge (experimental)? [10:20] Phineas: just normal diff? [10:21] ok i have what you discribed abouve [10:21] Phineas: anything important it's (-)removing? [10:22] -kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.31-22-generic root=UUID=507545ea-e165-4532-b828-d3a0ffe2ac0f ro quiet vga=791 splash [10:22] and [10:22] -kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.28-19-generic root=UUID=507545ea-e165-4532-b828-d3a0ffe2ac0f ro quiet vga=791 splash [10:22] thats the only (-) removes [10:22] old kernels [10:23] choose "package maintainer version", and check if there are still "kernel" lines left when the upgrade finishes [10:23] so time to press next [10:24] it'll always leave the old version lying around [10:25] update compleate [10:26] * Phineas will reboot later [10:26] Phineas: ok.. now check the menu.lst -- see if there are still bootable kernels in there :) [10:29] there are kernals there [10:30] how do i know if they are bootable [10:30] Phineas: check if they exist :) [10:30] that should be enough [10:30] unless you've had boot problems in the past [10:30] there are a few kernals in menu.llt [10:31] not on this install i haven't had boot issues (ones where it wond boot that is) [10:32] i should be fine [10:37] i gotta go bye [10:43] ho ho ho merry morning [10:45] davmor2: morning - what ya get czajkowski for xmas or is it a suprise? [10:46] morning davmor2 [10:47] danfish: A day off [10:48] * davmor2 prods czajkowski [10:48] hah [10:50] davmor2: weekly quota exceeded [10:51] happy not-quite-christmas everyone [10:51] AlanBell: That was czajkowski new years resolution for me no mine :D [10:52] Happy Christmas-1 AlanBell [10:52] oh, new year, that isn't for another week or so, carry on . . . [10:57] how is mtr different from ping? I can get 0% packet loss when pinging a host, but ~60% using mtr. [10:57] I thought they both used icmp, so should have similar results [10:58] or is that too ontopic for christmas eve ;-) [11:06] * davmor2 prods czajkowski again cause AlanBell told me too :D [11:09] screen-x: try comparing it to tracepath [11:13] mtr \o/ [11:13] * AlanBell decides to make a caganer in the image of davmor2 [11:14] AlanBell: wasn't your caganer idea vetoed? [11:15] it was, maybe I will give it to czajkowski [11:15] Some Friday afternoon fun - http://www.unnecessaryquotes.com/ [11:17] AlanBell: tracepath ends with "Too many hops: pmtu 1458" [11:17] woo routing loops? [11:17] MartijnVdS: not sure :( [11:17] would you be able to pastebin mtr --report --report-cycles=20 mc-gw.smtl.co.uk for me? [11:18] screen-x: sure [11:18] thanks :) [11:19] screen-x: http://pastebin.com/m0tyYaYj [11:19] and from my other machine.. [11:20] similar here from a few directions [11:20] http://pastebin.com/ZdgmRAxX [11:20] I think the hop after "???" and "???" should actually be "Profit!!!" [11:20] haha [11:20] heh [11:22] hmm is it safe to conclude the problem is with my ISP? it seems to be that there is a lot of packet loss on the last three hops, wherever the trace is from. [11:22] so is that your host? [11:22] mc-gw [11:22] screen-x: do you host with "griffin.com"? [11:22] mc-gw is the internet gateway at work [11:23] your ISP or internal network firewall/DMZ would appear to be the area with the issue [11:23] MartijnVdS: nope, but I think our ISP is related to griffin in some way. [11:24] AlanBell: mc-gw is the router owned by the ISP, our firewall is inside that, so I think it probably is their problem. [11:24] sounds like it [11:25] owned by the isp, by on our site (CPE?) [11:25] CPE = customer premises equipment [11:25] can be your modem, router, etc. [11:25] can be yours or theirs really [11:26] Its a bonder for 3 ADSL connections, I wonder if 1 of the ADSL lines is flaking and it isnt failing over properly.. [11:27] 80% packet loss -- maybe 2 are flaking [11:27] yeah :( [11:27] screen-x: that would sound very plausible === kvarley1 is now known as kvalrey [11:29] http://xkcd.com/838/ [11:30] haha [11:30] AlanBell: "nice -n19" [11:42] raised ISP support ticket, told them not to spoil someones Christmas eve - its not despearte! [11:56] morning all. [11:57] <_H> anyone know where to find cherap dried goods in edinburgh? want to stock up [11:58] <_H> cheap* [11:58] <_H> ** im veggie === Monster_Killer is now known as MonsterKiller [12:00] * AlanBell is tracking santa [12:00] AlanBell: how? [12:00] http://www.noradsanta.org [12:01] AlanBell: try "santa" on your Google mobile maps [12:01] right /me is finnished for Christmas now, have fun all :) === denny- is now known as denny [12:17] Good Xmas all, off home \o/4 [12:48] <_H> The Google Maps API server rejected your request because you do not have permission to use this service over SSL. [12:48] <_H> o.0 [12:58] indeed not, you have to pay extra for that, which is why the maps are no longer on launchpad [13:19] [Martin Meredith] 20 Easy steps to cook your Christmas Turkey - http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/SourceGuru/~3/X9fIZ-hH_k0/ [13:35] o/ [13:36] o/ [13:36] \o [13:37] mooo [13:38] _______ [13:38] < Moooo > [13:38] ------- [13:38] \ ^__^ [13:38] \ (oo)\_______ [13:38] (__)\ )\/\ [13:38] ||----w | [13:38] || || [13:38] I've run out of wrapping paper :( [13:38] daubers: use toilet paper ;) [13:38] or aluminium foil [13:38] MartijnVdS: Heh! Tempted to use newspaper [13:39] aluminium foil looks nice and shiny too :) [13:39] MartijnVdS: Not as versatile as wrapping paper though [13:39] sure, but necessity, mother, invention etc. [13:40] heh :) [13:41] daubers: just find a random large box, fill it with soft fill (or dont) and put the small present in there, and put a ribbon around it [13:41] mkes the present look bigger as well :P [13:43] heh, got a better plan. Wrap the parents presetns at the inlaws house [13:43] daubers: cheating [13:43] daubers: how do you do ascii art like thathere in irssi ? [13:43] MartijnVdS: win \o/ [13:44] brobostigon: /exec -o cowsay moo [13:44] /bin/sh: cowsay: not found [13:44] apt-get install :) [13:44] requires you to have cowsay install though :) [13:44] brobostigon: exec just runs a terminal command and puts the result into irsi [13:45] daubers: an irssiscript ? [13:45] if you use -o anyway [13:45] !info cowsay [13:45] cowsay (source: cowsay): A configurable talking cow. In component universe, is optional. Version 3.03+dfsg1-2 (maverick), package size 19 kB, installed size 264 kB [13:45] or !info figlet [13:45] let me try, thank you daubers [13:45] !info figlet [13:45] figlet (source: figlet): Frank, Ian & Glenn's Letters. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 2.2.2-1ubuntu1 (maverick), package size 147 kB, installed size 892 kB [13:45] !info toilet [13:45] toilet (source: toilet): display large colourful characters in text mode. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.2-1 (maverick), package size 21 kB, installed size 96 kB [13:46] _____ [13:46] < moo > [13:46] ----- [13:46] \ ^__^ [13:46] \ (oo)\_______ [13:46] (__)\ )\/\ [13:46] ||----w | [13:46] || || [13:46] cool. :) [13:47] * brobostigon likes. [13:48] Do you know how could I install on a SGRAM 2D hardware? [13:48] From Excel 6000 you can't mount a editor for inserting in the program over a e-mail address of a cable. [13:48] (polygen /usr/share/polygen/eng/genius.grm) [13:48] !info polygen [13:48] polygen (source: polygen): generator of random sentences from grammar definitions. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.6.ds2-10 (maverick), package size 88 kB, installed size 512 kB [13:49] How to receive the icon? [13:49] You either cannot delete a proxy, or can never turn off a terminale of the prompt on the serial GUI over a 3D mouse on the directory over the POPmail folder to cancel a 63X mail. [13:51] * daubers should start cleaning the kitchen really [13:51] Need to boil the gammon too [13:52] daubers: play with polygen a bit :) [13:54] _____ [13:54] < boo > [13:54] ----- [13:54] \ ^__^ [13:54] \ (oo)\_______ [13:54] (__)\ )\/\ [13:54] ||----w | [13:54] || || [13:54] ah, [13:55] brobostigon: polygen > cowsay :) [13:55] Template Object [13:55] Composite Object [13:55] Template Adapter [13:55] merry christmas eve [13:56] * brobostigon installs polygen [13:56] http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00wvd9x/ [13:57] error: cannot parse from file "moo: No such file or directory" [13:57] Polygen (type 2) v1.0.6 built 20040628 - http://www.polygen.org [13:57] Manta/Spinning Kids alias Alvise Spano' anno MMII ac insequenti fecit. [13:57] usage: polygen [OPTION]... SOURCES... [13:57] SOURCE source file(s) providing grammar definition [13:57] OPTION [13:57] -eof STR use string STR as end-of-file (default: STR = "\n") [13:57] -help display this help message [13:57] -info alias for '-S I' [13:57] -l LABEL add LABEL to initial active label environment [13:57] -o DEST output to DEST file [13:57] -pedantic set warning level to maximum [13:57] -pre output preprocessed source grammar [13:57] -seed N pass unsigned integer N as random seed [13:57] -S SYM use SYM as starting non-terminal symbol (default: SYM = S) [13:57] -t check source grammar and output inferred global label groups [13:57] -v be verbose [13:57] -X N iterate generation for N times (default: N = 1) [13:57] -W N set warning pedantry at level N (default: N = 1) [13:57] --help Display this list of options [13:57] brobostigon: May not be a good idea to use /exec without checking what it outputs first..... [13:58] brobostigon: please run it without -o first (or in a separate terminal) :)) [13:58] daubers: good point, yes. [13:58] brobostigon: you can use files from /usr/share/polygen/*/*.grm as arguments to generate things [13:59] We need to manage software systems in order to manage the development of Net-surfing providers. [13:59] We would globalize multimedia strategies. [13:59] etc. (eng/manager.grm) [13:59] MartijnVdS: ok, let me try, thank you. [14:00] omg [14:00] $ polygen boyband.grm [14:00] Pull Eleven [15:04] Peeka Boo [15:04] * czajkowski wallops davmor2 Behave you [15:13] czajkowski: No :P and prod for good measure [15:16] czajkowski: o/ [15:17] davmor2: brat [15:17] daubers: ello [15:17] czajkowski: Here have a Christmas Hug, and I hope you have a lovely Christmas :) [16:29] hurrah, convinced the amazon mp3 downloader to run, only about 10 i386 packages needed [16:33] penguin42: there is a package that grabs all the packages for you iirc [16:34] davmor2: You thinking of ia32-libs ? [16:36] penguin42: no it's something like getlibs.deb iirc [16:36] hmm not come across that one [16:52] hi and merry xmas [16:54] * Ferb detects this channel is dead [16:56] merry xmas Ferb [16:56] not quite [16:57] more like merry bloody hot xmas here [16:58] I am boiling whilst you guys turn into blocks of ice [16:59] well just ship us 10c and we'll be happy [17:00] well its about 30 here if not more [17:01] * Ferb heres his noisy fans all the time [17:02] cos its so hot [17:02] hears* [17:03] well good luck living in a freezer. its like a sauna out there [17:03] the cold dont bother me inthe slightest, a good pair of boots, and i am happy. [17:03] the hot does bother me though. [17:05] it does if you wanna go outside here, you'd be back in in 30 seconds because of the hot [17:05] exctly, hene why i hate the hot. [17:08] I know the swimming pool is like a hot tub, the ground is like a grill (some days I here hissing when I walk on it). thats an example of life out here [17:08] * brobostigon 's perfect living place,would be somewhere cold, he really hates the hot, alot. [17:09] brobostigon: north pole? [17:09] MartijnVdS: maybe, too cold. [17:09] brobostigon: scotland? [17:09] MartijnVdS: maybe northern danmark, sweden, switzerland, cold. [17:10] man the glass on the windows is hot today [17:10] Ferb: you live in a nuclear reactor? :) [17:11] nope its just very hot outside [17:11] Ferb: lies! [17:11] emphasis on the word very [17:12] no lies it is hot here, I tried the swimming pool and it was like a hot tub [17:14] * Ferb turns his noisy fan up to full [17:14] man thats loud [17:17]