[00:21] <hamitron> hmm
[00:26] <jacobw> hmmm?
[00:27] <hamitron> my windows XP is wrecked, so trying the new ubuntu
[00:27] <hamitron> and bugging everyone in this chan was one of my priority apps to setup ;)
[00:28] <hamitron> but in all serious, just sick of things breaking
[00:33] <hamitron> don't like empathy ;)
[00:34]  * jpds tries to feel for hamitron, but is reminded to the fact that he hates empathy.
[00:34] <hamitron> hehe
[00:35] <hamitron> if only I could hide the speech bubbles...
[00:37] <hamitron> but I suppose I should select my OS to install, before minor stuff like that
[00:37] <daftykins> i thought that was a theme thing you can disable
[00:37] <daftykins> by changing it to classic
[00:37] <daftykins> also, hi
[00:37] <hamitron> hi dafty :)
[00:37] <daftykins> ^_^
[00:38] <hamitron> I maybe need to reopen my chat window?
[00:38] <daftykins> mayhaps
[00:39] <hamitron> I am really tempted to give ubuntu a go on my gaming pc again
[00:39] <hamitron> :/
[00:39] <hamitron> it is between XP, 7 and ubuntu
[00:41] <hamitron> I am now wishing I didn't have 2 x 300Gb hd in RAID 0 :/
[00:41] <hamitron> with data on, like a big foolish user of windows
[00:43] <hamitron> 503Gb of junk, and 21Gb of hdd free to move it to :)
[00:47] <hamitron> if you have a PCI raid controller with 2 hdd on it, and move it to another comp... can it read the data previously stored?
[00:49] <exobuzz> ubuntu has a habit of switching from popular well liked apps to new ones, that although look good on papr, are often half finished, lacking features and buggy
[00:50] <exobuzz> still prefer pidgin over empathy for example. first thing i do with ubuntu is ditch a bunch of default stuff
[00:50] <daftykins> mmm-hmm
[00:50] <exobuzz> and the other thing. ubuntu "ties" itself in closely with their choice of apps. like the volume widget and rhythmbox. or the calendar and evolution
[00:50] <daftykins> it's kind of amusing because in the past, all the default stuff made me think "ah great, so much less to do"
[00:50] <exobuzz> yeh
[00:50] <daftykins> but of course now, you have to pull it all off before you upgrade, so you don't grab updates for things you don't want :D
[00:51] <daftykins> though in its' favour once again, there's APT, so no hassle there either :D
[00:52] <jacobw> apt/dpkg is light years ahead of the software management facilities on Windows and OS X
[00:52] <jacobw> OS X less so than Windows
[00:52] <exobuzz> yeh.. i recently had the pleasure of doing some work on centos.. i dont uderstand why its popular for server stuff, since the basic lamp packages are a mess
[00:52] <exobuzz> no split configs/.d dirs. just a big old mess
[00:53] <hamitron> what you get used to I suppose
[00:53] <hamitron> must admit I always resist change
[00:53] <hamitron> ;/
[00:53] <exobuzz> i dont mind change, but it seemed a downgrade.
[00:53] <daftykins> i had to use CentOS at Uni
[00:54] <daftykins> i get frustrated by any distro change really, different default configs etc :D
[00:54] <daftykins> i love the way the ubuntu ones at least sort of document some in their alternate locations now
[00:54] <hamitron> nothing wrong with a change of distro... stops you getting into the habit of 1 set of ways
[00:54] <daftykins> e.g. go to /config/file/here.conf and it'll say "Sorry daftykins, but your daemon's configured in another castle"
[00:54] <hamitron> hehe
[00:54] <daftykins> and i'll be able to save time \o/
[00:55] <hamitron> my favourite distro is still ubuntu 8.04 :/
[00:56] <exobuzz> lots of companies probably choose centos as the second sentence they have says "enterprise class"
[00:56] <hamitron> I don't even know what a load of this stuff is in 10.04
[00:56] <hamitron> centos is similar to redhat?
[00:56] <exobuzz> yeh
[00:56] <jacobw> centos is redhat minus branding
[00:57] <hamitron> suppose that is good if you use closed source apps
[00:57] <directhex> red hat is only useful because you are paying for a phone number to shout at when it breaks
[00:57] <directhex> otherwise, it's crap
[00:57] <exobuzz> i dont use ubuntu on my servers. i switch my home fileserver to ubuntu, but sort of regretted that in a way. glad i left my others on debian
[00:58] <directhex> and centos is red hat minus the phone number
[00:58] <exobuzz> directhex, lol :)
[00:58] <hamitron> redhat has a cooler name
[00:58] <hamitron> ;/
[00:58] <directhex> the only reason to use centos is so you can lie to your app vendor when they ask if you're running red hat
[00:58] <hamitron> :D
[00:59] <daftykins> XD
[00:59] <directhex> 'cos they work it out when you're running debian
[00:59] <directhex> trust me
[00:59] <daftykins> work out the problem?
[00:59] <daftykins> oh i get you
[01:00] <hamitron> sooooo
[01:00] <hamitron> can I move a RAID controller to another comp?
[01:00] <hamitron> :/
[01:00] <hamitron> and keep the data on a RAID 0 setup
[01:00] <exobuzz> if it fits
[01:00] <directhex> the controller, or the disks?
[01:01] <hamitron> controller and 2 disks setup with RAID 0
[01:01] <hamitron> :/
[01:01] <directhex> yes.
[01:01] <daftykins> yarr
[01:01] <daftykins> is the OS on it?
[01:01] <directhex> avast!
[01:01] <hamitron> yes dafty
[01:01] <hamitron> only it only boots in safe mode
[01:01] <hamitron> :/
[01:02] <hamitron> my intention is to not boot the OS off the RAID
[01:02] <hamitron> I got a feeling this is gonna bite me
[01:03] <daftykins> wait wait wait
[01:03] <daftykins> what are you wanting to achieve? :D
[01:03] <hamitron> not sure
[01:03] <hamitron> haha
[01:04] <hamitron> I got a 2 x 300Gb RAID 0 gaming machine with data stored on
[01:04] <hamitron> and the copy of windows has died... can only boot in safe mode with networking
[01:05] <hamitron> I have a spare 500Gb hdd I would like my clean OS on
[01:05] <hamitron> suppose I could install that and the OS, then maybe move most of the data over
[01:05] <hamitron> I was not planning on windows breaking :/
[01:06] <daftykins> or boot a liveCD and rescue it to another disk?
[01:06] <hamitron> my 8.04 live cd won't read it
[01:07] <hamitron> I thought it was maybe because you need to use alternative cd to use RAID?
[01:08] <hamitron> could try slackware install cd maybe
[01:08] <daftykins> you do 0o but it's hardware RAID no?
[01:09] <hamitron> I dunno
[01:09] <hamitron> ;/
[01:09] <daftykins> i'd have expected a new enough distro on a new enough kernel would happily see the NTFS volume
[01:09] <hamitron> it is some SATA 1 ALi RAID controller
[01:09] <daftykins> D:
[01:09] <hamitron> cheap
[01:10] <hamitron> I'd guess software I suppose
[01:13] <daftykins> no doubt
[01:13] <daftykins> but it should be abstracted still
[01:14] <daftykins> even if it were a couple of silicon image chips slapped onto a PCI bus adapter
[01:17] <hamitron> half tempted to just leave XP running in safe mode
[01:17] <hamitron> hehe
[01:17] <hamitron> I got synergy running
[01:24] <hamitron> brb, coffee
[01:34] <hamitron> bk
[02:36] <memphis_> exit
[03:02] <hamitron> dug out the good old low spec machine :)
[03:02] <hamitron> well, it has a 3D processor.... so not too low ;/
[03:02] <ball> I booted Ubuntu at work today, from a liveDVD
[03:03] <ball> people seemed quite taken with it.
[03:03] <hamitron> go well?
[03:03] <hamitron> cool :)
[07:12] <knightwise> Merry Christmas everyone !
[08:14] <diplo> Morning all
[08:27] <czajkowski> Aloha
[08:29] <SuperMatt> HI
[08:31] <screen-x> Morning All :)
[08:54] <danfish> ho ho ho
[08:54] <danfish> it's xmas eve and I've yet to hear any Slade
[08:54]  * MartijnVdS always wondered why Santa calls people "ho"
[08:55] <stuphi> danfish: http://open.spotify.com/track/5b9yUVqrXQxVUn3okCEZav
[08:55] <danfish> he listens to gangsta rap whilst doing his rounds I've heard
[08:56] <screen-x> morning danfish :)
[08:56] <screen-x> I haven't heard any slade yet either :)
[08:57]  * screen-x listens to similar artists: propellerheads
[08:58] <MartijnVdS> screen-x: Lemongrass!
[08:59] <danfish> stuphi: thankyou, slade shortage rectified :)
[08:59] <danfish> also finally signed up for spotify
[08:59] <screen-x> MartijnVdS: you have mentioned that a few times, maybe it is time to try it..
[08:59] <MartijnVdS> screen-x: also Alphawezen
[08:59] <screen-x> danfish: paying?
[09:00] <MartijnVdS> screen-x: also other artists on that label (Mole Listening Pearls)
[09:00] <danfish> screen-x: whoa there - one step at a time :)
[09:00] <screen-x> MartijnVdS: ok :)
[09:00] <MartijnVdS> screen-x: (http://www.mole.de/eng/newspage.php)
[09:01] <screen-x> Apache/2.2.8 (Ubuntu) mod_fastcgi/2.4.6 mod_jk/1.2.25 PHP/5.2.4-2ubuntu5.12 with Suhosin-Patch mod_ssl/2.2.8 OpenSSL/0.9.8g Server at mole.de Port 80
[09:01] <screen-x> ubuntu \o/
[09:01] <MartijnVdS> \o/
[09:02] <danfish> a Matt Asay piece in el reg
[09:02] <danfish> 09:00 < screen-x> MartijnVdS: ok :)
[09:02] <danfish> we'll try that again
[09:02] <danfish> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/12/24/2011_and_open_source/
[09:03] <screen-x> MartijnVdS: (auto play music in web pages)--
[09:03] <MartijnVdS> screen-x: agreed.. I didn't make that site :)
[09:52] <screen-x> hmmm
[09:52] <screen-x> I thought the vpn was choppy this morning, mtr reports 80% packet loss between here and work..
[09:54] <screen-x> only 20% of that is lost on the wifi hop.
[09:59] <MartijnVdS> nice
[09:59] <MartijnVdS> broken switch/router?
[10:00] <MartijnVdS> snowed-in cables?
[10:00] <screen-x> seems to be a bt router thats the culprit
[10:01] <MartijnVdS> \o/ bt
[10:01] <MartijnVdS> *cough*
[10:05] <screen-x> t2c1-ge11-0-0.uk-eal.eu.bt.net to be precise
[10:10] <Phineas> i have returned
[10:10]  * MartijnVdS runs
[10:10] <Phineas> why do people do that
[10:10]  * danfish joins MartijnVdS ;)
[10:11] <MartijnVdS> Phineas: do you have a list of options to choose from? :)
[10:12] <Phineas> sorta
[10:12] <MartijnVdS> 1)
[10:13] <Phineas> what would i like to do with menu.list? (during update)
[10:13] <MartijnVdS> Phineas: depends.. did you edit it manually?
[10:13] <Phineas> MartijnVdS,  no
[10:14] <MartijnVdS> Phineas: and it's asking you the diff/new/old question?
[10:15] <Phineas> nope its asking me in a window named debconf on *computer name*
[10:15] <MartijnVdS> wow..
[10:15] <MartijnVdS> what are the options?
[10:17] <Phineas> keep current version, install package mantiners versoin, start new shell to examen situation, and a load of merge and compareing options
[10:18] <MartijnVdS> Phineas: try the "diff" option
[10:19] <MartijnVdS> it should show which lines it would remove (-) and add (+) if you were to choose "package maintainer's version"
[10:19] <Phineas> side by side , 3 way or 3 way merge (experimental)?
[10:20] <MartijnVdS> Phineas: just normal diff?
[10:21] <Phineas> ok i have what you discribed abouve
[10:21] <MartijnVdS> Phineas: anything important it's (-)removing?
[10:22] <Phineas> -kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.31-22-generic root=UUID=507545ea-e165-4532-b828-d3a0ffe2ac0f ro quiet vga=791 splash
[10:22] <Phineas> and
[10:22] <Phineas> -kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.28-19-generic root=UUID=507545ea-e165-4532-b828-d3a0ffe2ac0f ro quiet vga=791 splash
[10:22] <Phineas> thats the only (-) removes
[10:22] <MartijnVdS> old kernels
[10:23] <MartijnVdS> choose "package maintainer version", and check if there are still "kernel" lines left when the upgrade finishes
[10:23] <Phineas> so time to press next
[10:24] <MartijnVdS> it'll always leave the old version lying around
[10:25] <Phineas> update compleate
[10:26]  * Phineas will reboot later
[10:26] <MartijnVdS> Phineas: ok.. now check the menu.lst -- see if there are still bootable kernels in there :)
[10:29] <Phineas> there are kernals there
[10:30] <Phineas> how do i know if they are bootable
[10:30] <MartijnVdS> Phineas: check if they exist :)
[10:30] <MartijnVdS> that should be enough
[10:30] <MartijnVdS> unless you've had boot problems in the past
[10:30] <Phineas> there are a few kernals in menu.llt
[10:31] <Phineas> not on this install i haven't had boot issues (ones where it wond boot that is)
[10:32] <Phineas> i should be fine
[10:37] <Phineas> i gotta go bye
[10:43] <davmor2> ho ho ho merry morning
[10:45] <danfish> davmor2: morning - what ya get czajkowski for xmas or is it a suprise?
[10:46] <screen-x> morning davmor2
[10:47] <davmor2> danfish: A day off
[10:48]  * davmor2 prods czajkowski 
[10:48] <danfish> hah
[10:50] <AlanBell> davmor2: weekly quota exceeded
[10:51] <AlanBell> happy not-quite-christmas everyone
[10:51] <davmor2> AlanBell: That was czajkowski new years  resolution for me no mine :D
[10:52] <screen-x> Happy Christmas-1 AlanBell
[10:52] <AlanBell> oh, new year, that isn't for another week or so, carry on . . .
[10:57] <screen-x> how is mtr different from ping? I can get 0% packet loss when pinging a host, but ~60% using mtr.
[10:57] <screen-x> I thought they both used icmp, so should have similar results
[10:58] <screen-x> or is that too ontopic for christmas eve ;-)
[11:06]  * davmor2 prods czajkowski again cause AlanBell told me too :D
[11:09] <AlanBell> screen-x: try comparing it to tracepath
[11:13] <MartijnVdS> mtr \o/
[11:13]  * AlanBell decides to make a caganer in the image of davmor2
[11:14] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: wasn't your caganer idea vetoed?
[11:15] <AlanBell> it was, maybe I will give it to czajkowski
[11:15] <MartijnVdS> Some Friday afternoon fun - http://www.unnecessaryquotes.com/
[11:17] <screen-x> AlanBell: tracepath ends with "Too many hops: pmtu 1458"
[11:17] <MartijnVdS> woo routing loops?
[11:17] <screen-x> MartijnVdS: not sure :(
[11:17] <screen-x> would you be able to pastebin mtr --report --report-cycles=20 mc-gw.smtl.co.uk for me?
[11:18] <MartijnVdS> screen-x: sure
[11:18] <screen-x> thanks :)
[11:19] <MartijnVdS> screen-x: http://pastebin.com/m0tyYaYj
[11:19] <MartijnVdS> and from my other machine..
[11:20] <AlanBell> similar here from a few directions
[11:20] <MartijnVdS> http://pastebin.com/ZdgmRAxX
[11:20] <AlanBell> I think the hop after "???" and "???" should actually be "Profit!!!"
[11:20] <MartijnVdS> haha
[11:20] <screen-x> heh
[11:22] <screen-x> hmm is it safe to conclude the problem is with my ISP? it seems to be that there is a lot of packet loss on the last three hops, wherever the trace is from.
[11:22] <AlanBell> so is that your host?
[11:22] <AlanBell> mc-gw
[11:22] <MartijnVdS> screen-x: do you host with "griffin.com"?
[11:22] <screen-x> mc-gw is the internet gateway at work
[11:23] <AlanBell> your ISP or internal network firewall/DMZ would appear to be the area with the issue
[11:23] <screen-x> MartijnVdS: nope, but I think our ISP is related to griffin in some way.
[11:24] <screen-x> AlanBell: mc-gw is the router owned by the ISP, our firewall is inside that, so I think it probably is their problem.
[11:24] <MartijnVdS> sounds like it
[11:25] <screen-x> owned by the isp, by on our site (CPE?)
[11:25] <MartijnVdS> CPE = customer premises equipment
[11:25] <MartijnVdS> can be your modem, router, etc.
[11:25] <MartijnVdS> can be yours or theirs really
[11:26] <screen-x> Its a bonder for 3 ADSL connections, I wonder if 1 of the ADSL lines is flaking and it isnt failing over properly..
[11:27] <MartijnVdS> 80% packet loss -- maybe 2 are flaking
[11:27] <screen-x> yeah :(
[11:27] <AlanBell> screen-x: that would sound very plausible
[11:29] <AlanBell> http://xkcd.com/838/
[11:30] <screen-x> haha
[11:30] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: "nice -n19"
[11:42] <screen-x> raised ISP support ticket, told them not to spoil someones Christmas eve - its not despearte!
[11:56] <brobostigon> morning all.
[11:57] <_H> anyone know where to find cherap dried goods in edinburgh? want to stock up
[11:58] <_H> cheap*
[11:58] <_H> ** im veggie
[12:00]  * AlanBell is tracking santa
[12:00] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: how?
[12:00] <AlanBell> http://www.noradsanta.org
[12:01] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: try "santa" on your Google mobile maps
[12:01] <screen-x> right /me is finnished for Christmas now, have fun all :)
[12:17] <diplo> Good Xmas all, off home \o/4
[12:48] <_H> The Google Maps API server rejected your request because you do not have permission to use this service over SSL.
[12:48] <_H> o.0
[12:58] <AlanBell> indeed not, you have to pay extra for that, which is why the maps are no longer on launchpad
[13:19] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Martin Meredith] 20 Easy steps to cook your Christmas Turkey - http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/SourceGuru/~3/X9fIZ-hH_k0/
[13:35] <daubers> o/
[13:36] <brobostigon> o/
[13:36] <MartijnVdS> \o
[13:37] <brobostigon> mooo
[13:38] <daubers>  _______
[13:38] <daubers> < Moooo >
[13:38] <daubers>  -------
[13:38] <daubers>         \   ^__^
[13:38] <daubers>          \  (oo)\_______
[13:38] <daubers>             (__)\       )\/\
[13:38] <daubers>                 ||----w |
[13:38] <daubers>                 ||     ||
[13:38] <daubers> I've run out of wrapping paper :(
[13:38] <MartijnVdS> daubers: use toilet paper ;)
[13:38] <MartijnVdS> or aluminium foil
[13:38] <daubers> MartijnVdS: Heh! Tempted to use newspaper
[13:39] <MartijnVdS> aluminium foil looks nice and shiny too :)
[13:39] <daubers> MartijnVdS: Not as versatile as wrapping paper though
[13:39] <MartijnVdS> sure, but necessity, mother, invention etc.
[13:40] <daubers> heh :)
[13:41] <jussi> daubers: just find a random large box, fill it with soft fill (or dont) and put the small present in there, and put a ribbon around it
[13:41] <jussi> mkes the present look bigger as well :P
[13:43] <daubers> heh, got a better plan. Wrap the parents presetns at the inlaws house
[13:43] <MartijnVdS> daubers: cheating
[13:43] <brobostigon> daubers: how do you do ascii art like thathere in irssi ?
[13:43] <daubers> MartijnVdS: win \o/
[13:44] <daubers> brobostigon: /exec -o cowsay moo
[13:44] <brobostigon> /bin/sh: cowsay: not found
[13:44] <MartijnVdS> apt-get install :)
[13:44] <daubers> requires you to have cowsay install though :)
[13:44] <daubers> brobostigon: exec just runs a terminal command and puts the result into irsi
[13:45] <brobostigon> daubers: an irssiscript ?
[13:45] <daubers> if you use -o anyway
[13:45] <daubers> !info cowsay
[13:45] <daubers> or !info figlet
[13:45] <brobostigon> let me try, thank you daubers
[13:45] <daubers> !info figlet
[13:45] <Laney> !info toilet
[13:46] <brobostigon>  _____
[13:46] <brobostigon> < moo >
[13:46] <brobostigon>  -----
[13:46] <brobostigon>         \   ^__^
[13:46] <brobostigon>          \  (oo)\_______
[13:46] <brobostigon>             (__)\       )\/\
[13:46] <brobostigon>                 ||----w |
[13:46] <brobostigon>                 ||     ||
[13:46] <brobostigon> cool. :)
[13:47]  * brobostigon likes.
[13:48] <MartijnVdS> Do you know how could I install on a SGRAM 2D hardware?
[13:48] <MartijnVdS> From Excel 6000 you can't mount a editor for inserting in the program over a e-mail address of a cable.
[13:48] <MartijnVdS> (polygen /usr/share/polygen/eng/genius.grm)
[13:48] <MartijnVdS> !info polygen
[13:49] <MartijnVdS> How to receive the icon?
[13:49] <MartijnVdS> You either cannot delete a proxy, or can never turn off a terminale of the prompt on the serial GUI over a 3D mouse on the directory over the POPmail folder to cancel a 63X mail.
[13:51]  * daubers should start cleaning the kitchen really
[13:51] <daubers> Need to boil the gammon too
[13:52] <MartijnVdS> daubers: play with polygen a bit :)
[13:54] <brobostigon>  _____
[13:54] <brobostigon> < boo >
[13:54] <brobostigon>  -----
[13:54] <brobostigon>         \   ^__^
[13:54] <brobostigon>          \  (oo)\_______
[13:54] <brobostigon>             (__)\       )\/\
[13:54] <brobostigon>                 ||----w |
[13:54] <brobostigon>                 ||     ||
[13:54] <brobostigon> ah,
[13:55] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: polygen > cowsay :)
[13:55] <MartijnVdS> Template Object
[13:55] <MartijnVdS> Composite Object
[13:55] <MartijnVdS> Template Adapter
[13:55] <jacobw> merry christmas eve
[13:56]  * brobostigon installs polygen
[13:56] <jacobw> http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00wvd9x/
[13:57] <brobostigon> error: cannot parse from file "moo: No such file or directory"
[13:57] <brobostigon> Polygen (type 2) v1.0.6 built 20040628 - http://www.polygen.org
[13:57] <brobostigon> Manta/Spinning Kids alias Alvise Spano' anno MMII ac insequenti fecit.
[13:57] <brobostigon> usage: polygen [OPTION]... SOURCES...
[13:57] <brobostigon>  SOURCE     source file(s) providing grammar definition
[13:57] <brobostigon>  OPTION
[13:57] <brobostigon>   -eof STR  use string STR as end-of-file (default: STR = "\n")
[13:57] <brobostigon>   -help     display this help message
[13:57] <brobostigon>   -info     alias for '-S I'
[13:57] <brobostigon>   -l LABEL  add LABEL to initial active label environment
[13:57] <brobostigon>   -o DEST   output to DEST file
[13:57] <brobostigon>   -pedantic set warning level to maximum
[13:57] <brobostigon>   -pre      output preprocessed source grammar
[13:57] <brobostigon>   -seed N   pass unsigned integer N as random seed
[13:57] <brobostigon>   -S SYM    use SYM as starting non-terminal symbol (default: SYM = S)
[13:57] <brobostigon>   -t        check source grammar and output inferred global label groups
[13:57] <brobostigon>   -v        be verbose
[13:57] <brobostigon>   -X N      iterate generation for N times (default: N = 1)
[13:57] <brobostigon>   -W N      set warning pedantry at level N (default: N = 1)
[13:57] <brobostigon>   --help  Display this list of options
[13:57] <daubers> brobostigon: May not be a good idea to use /exec without checking what it outputs first.....
[13:58] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: please run it without -o first (or in a separate terminal) :))
[13:58] <brobostigon> daubers: good point, yes.
[13:58] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: you can use files from /usr/share/polygen/*/*.grm as arguments to generate things
[13:59] <MartijnVdS> We need to manage software systems in order to manage the development of Net-surfing providers.
[13:59] <MartijnVdS> We would globalize multimedia strategies.
[13:59] <MartijnVdS> etc. (eng/manager.grm)
[13:59] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: ok, let me try, thank you.
[14:00] <MartijnVdS> omg
[14:00] <MartijnVdS> $ polygen boyband.grm
[14:00] <MartijnVdS> Pull Eleven
[15:04] <czajkowski> Peeka Boo
[15:04]  * czajkowski wallops davmor2 Behave you
[15:13] <davmor2> czajkowski: No :P  and prod for good measure
[15:16] <daubers> czajkowski: o/
[15:17] <czajkowski> davmor2: brat
[15:17] <czajkowski> daubers: ello
[15:17] <davmor2> czajkowski: Here have a Christmas Hug, and I hope you have a lovely Christmas :)
[16:29] <penguin42> hurrah, convinced the amazon mp3 downloader to run, only about 10 i386 packages needed
[16:33] <davmor2> penguin42: there is a package that grabs all the packages for you iirc
[16:34] <penguin42> davmor2: You thinking of ia32-libs ?
[16:36] <davmor2> penguin42: no it's something like getlibs.deb iirc
[16:36] <penguin42> hmm not come across that one
[16:52] <Ferb> hi and merry xmas
[16:54]  * Ferb detects this channel is dead
[16:56] <brobostigon> merry xmas Ferb
[16:56] <penguin42> not quite
[16:57] <Ferb> more like merry bloody hot xmas here
[16:58] <Ferb> I am boiling whilst you guys turn into blocks of ice
[16:59] <penguin42> well just ship us 10c and we'll be happy
[17:00] <Ferb> well its about 30 here if not more
[17:01]  * Ferb heres his noisy fans all the time
[17:02] <Ferb> cos its so hot
[17:02] <brobostigon> hears*
[17:03] <Ferb> well good luck living in a freezer. its like a sauna out there
[17:03] <brobostigon> the cold dont bother me inthe slightest, a good  pair of boots, and i am happy.
[17:03] <brobostigon> the hot does bother me though.
[17:05] <Ferb> it does if you wanna go outside here, you'd be back in in 30 seconds because of the hot
[17:05] <brobostigon> exctly, hene why i hate the hot.
[17:08] <Ferb> I know the swimming pool is like a hot tub, the ground is like a grill (some days I here hissing when I walk on it). thats an example of life out here
[17:08]  * brobostigon 's perfect living place,would be somewhere cold, he really hates the hot, alot.
[17:09] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: north pole?
[17:09] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: maybe, too cold.
[17:09] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: scotland?
[17:09] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: maybe northern danmark, sweden, switzerland, cold.
[17:10] <Ferb> man the glass on the windows is hot today
[17:10] <MartijnVdS> Ferb: you live in a nuclear reactor? :)
[17:11] <Ferb> nope its just very hot outside
[17:11] <MartijnVdS> Ferb: lies!
[17:11] <Ferb> emphasis on the word very
[17:12] <Ferb> no lies it is hot here,  I tried the swimming pool and it was like a hot tub
[17:14]  * Ferb turns his noisy fan up to full
[17:14] <Ferb> man thats loud
[17:17] <Ferb> I have to wait until about 10am before I can get the groseries due to intense heat outside
[17:18] <Ferb> thats how hot it is here
[17:19] <MartijnVdS> Ferb: your eggs are hard-boiled between your car and front door?
[17:19] <MartijnVdS> Ferb: stuff like that?
[17:22] <Ferb> not quite, milk will go off too quick and the cheese will start to mwlt
[17:22] <Ferb> mwlt
[17:22] <Ferb> melt
[17:22] <Ferb> stuff like that
[17:23] <Ferb> always were shooes or esle its hot on foot
[17:24] <Ferb> stuff like that martiJNs
[17:25] <MartijnVdS> haha
[17:26] <Ferb> oh come on that was predictive text doing an epic fail
[17:28]  * Ferb is in just his underwere most of the time
[17:28] <Ferb> cos its hot
[17:29] <MartijnVdS> uhhuh "because it's hot", sure
[17:29] <Ferb> because its hot outside that is
[17:29] <popey> Ferb: could you please attempt to go for a single day without talking bollocks?
[17:30] <Ferb> this is all true popey
[17:30] <MartijnVdS> Ferb: http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=19980603
[17:31] <Ferb> take too long to load on my phone
[17:32] <Ferb> sorry
[17:34] <Ferb> popey, if you want to talk about something just say :)
[17:34] <popey> sure, how about Ubuntu?
[17:35] <Ferb> popey, sure you start the convo
[17:37] <Ferb> I've noticed that how ever much I put on my laptop it never slows down
[17:38] <Ferb> popey, ^^^^^
[17:39] <Ferb> how come windows slows down the more you put on it and ubuntu doesnt
[17:40] <Ferb> popey, do you know why?
[17:41] <Ferb> or anyone for that matter
[17:43] <popey> http://www.google.com/search?&q=why+does+windows+slow+down+over+time
[17:43] <Ferb> anyone know
[17:44] <Laney> wtf
[17:44] <popey> hello Laney
[17:44] <Laney> hiya
[17:44] <Laney> alright? feeling merry?
[17:45] <Ferb> why doesnt ubuntu slow down over time?
[17:45] <popey> I can has beer
[17:45]  * brobostigon also has beer.
[17:45] <Laney> I am on a bus which has wifi. This is new and exciting to me
[17:45] <popey> heh :)
[17:45] <popey> I am just getting the kids ready to put down a mince pie and carrot for santa and his reindeer
[17:46]  * Ferb has a shandy even tho hes under agw
[17:46] <Ferb> age
[17:46] <popey> they are about set to explode with excitement
[17:46] <Laney> any whisky?
[17:46] <Ferb> popey, I am just as excited as your children
[17:47] <davmor2> Ferb: Ubuntu/linux has a major differences, one if the filesystem on the hd, the schema setup etc etc etc
[17:47] <Laney> I will be excited after the wrapping is finished tonight
[17:47] <popey> http://thereifixedit.failblog.org/2010/12/24/white-trash-repairs-and-a-cartridge-in-a-bare-tree
[17:48]  * brobostigon is going for a boozeup tonight with friends,
[17:48] <Ferb> happy Christmas everyone
[17:48]  * popey hugs spotify for christmas music
[17:48] <Laney> why is it +t here? I wanted to put a ho ho ho in the topic :(
[17:48] <popey> people used to dick about with the topic
[17:49] <brobostigon> hmm, :(
[17:49] <Laney> fair, I guess I was indeed about to myself
[17:49] <popey> :)
[17:49] <Laney> ♥ popey <3
[17:49] <popey> as I have done
[17:49] <Laney> damn, miscomposed
[17:49] <popey> oh, someone removed my bit in the topic
[17:49]  * popey glares at AlanBell 
[17:50]  * Ferb glares at popey
[17:50] <Laney> helloooo huntingdon bus station
[17:50] <Laney> adieu!
[17:50] <popey> o/
[17:50]  * brobostigon gets the good beer guide out, and finds banbury.
[17:51]  * Ferb likes his Speckled Hen
[17:51] <Ferb> but its making me sleepy tho
[17:51] <brobostigon> Ferb: you did say you were underage,yes ?
[17:52] <MartijnVdS> !illegal
[17:52] <Ferb> yes I am underage
[17:52] <popey> Ferb: are you at home?
[17:52] <popey> Ferb: how old are you?
[17:52] <Ferb> popey, yes I am at home
[17:52] <Ferb> popey, old enough to use irc
[17:53] <popey> there is no such thing as underage at home
[17:53] <popey> its up to parents to decide
[17:53] <brobostigon> good point popey
[17:53] <popey> unless you're about 3
[17:53] <popey> which seems unlikely
[17:53]  * brobostigon nods
[17:54]  * DJones looks at scrollback and wonders whether 3 could be at the top end of estimates :)
[17:54] <Ferb> alcohol at home shouldn't be given to anyone under the age of 5
[17:55]  * brobostigon promptly gets his long pointy  stick out, andaims in DJones's direction.,
[17:55] <popey> hullo bigcalm[mob]
[17:55] <popey> happy doo-dah
[17:55] <bigcalm[mob]> Afternoon peeps
[17:55] <Ferb> afternoon bigcalm
[17:55] <bigcalm[mob]> Hey popey
[17:56] <bigcalm[mob]> popey: built a grinder?
[17:56] <bigcalm[mob]> Hi
[17:56] <Ferb> hi
[17:56] <DJones> brobostigon: Evening
[17:56] <brobostigon> DJones: good evening,
[17:57] <bigcalm[mob]> I'm hiding in McDonald's with a free coffee before visiting more relatives
[17:57] <Ferb> happy Christmas all
[17:57] <Ferb> 2 hours till I go to bed
[17:58] <Ferb> make that 3
[17:58] <bigcalm[mob]> Waiting for Farther Christmas?
[17:58] <brobostigon> father*
[17:59] <Ferb> I sure am
[17:59] <bigcalm[mob]> That's mobile IRC foe you
[17:59]  * Ferb IS on mobile irc
[18:00] <bigcalm[mob]> Coffee finished. Back to the relatives I go
[18:00] <Ferb> I just cant wait for all the prezzies
[18:00] <bigcalm[mob]> Merry Crimble
[18:00] <brobostigon> bye bigcalm[mob]
[18:01] <Ferb> sewya bigcalm
[18:01] <Ferb> that was fun guys, bye merry xmas to all
[18:17] <brobostigon> xmas bean, lol. itv3
[18:26] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff
[18:26]  * brobostigon pukes
[18:27] <bigcalm[mob]> Lovely
[18:28] <brobostigon> bigcalm[mob]: that was to show how much i dislike david hasselhoff
[18:29] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: and you're sort-of German ;)
[18:29] <gord> instead of using sed to rename a bunch of files, i just installed krename. i think i haev to give back my geek licence :(
[18:30] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: i just lived there while my dad was working there, i am half english, nd half welsh.
[18:30] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: you know what I mean
[18:30] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: that i understand german, yes.
[18:30] <MartijnVdS> but maybe not the germans ;)
[18:30] <bigcalm[mob]> It's bad of me to want to be able to play minecraft on my phone. I can't imagine how the controls would work though
[18:30] <brobostigon> good point,
[18:31] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm[mob]: addiction
[18:31] <bigcalm[mob]> Totally
[18:45] <suprengr> ...my planet wishes all your planet a peaceful Christmas.. and thanks you all for the help
[18:56] <exobuzz> that's not a planet.. that's a ... space station
[18:57] <davmor2> night all have a great Christmas and a Happy new year
[19:12] <MartijnVdS> http://is.gd/jo3gX
[19:12]  * brobostigon thinks, and then lol's
[19:13] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: only in the uk ;)
[19:13] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: infront of a pub aswell.
[19:14] <brobostigon> sorry, i am wrong.
[19:17] <MartijnVdS> not a pub?
[19:17] <_H> 3 Years and 340 Days 16hours 8 mins since I last saw my mother. #imaloneforchristmas
[19:17] <brobostigon> a shop it is, onthe right of the picture.
[19:18] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: if it looks like a pub... (pub typing ;))
[19:18] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: good point, :)
[19:18] <brobostigon> ircing from the pub, hmm, i have done it, but not while in company.
[19:19] <_H>  4 Years and 70 Days since I saw/spoke to dad....
[19:20] <MartijnVdS> _H: sounds like an unhappy family
[19:20] <_H> I came out to dad  4 Years and 70 Days ago
[19:22] <dwatkins> That's not nice that you can't go see them :-/
[19:22] <dwatkins> bbl
[19:22] <MartijnVdS> I guess people will be here all weekend
[19:23] <MartijnVdS> maybe not as many/much as other weekends
[19:23] <MartijnVdS> _H: so you won't be _all_ alone for christmas :)
[19:43] <AlanBell> _H: go help serve curry or something http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-12067330
[19:44] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: poor homeless! "the hottest curry in Scotland"
[19:45] <AlanBell> just a nice warming turkey jalfrezi or something
[19:45] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: pheasant vindaloo
[19:45] <AlanBell> would barely tickle nigelb's tastebuds
[19:46] <_H> http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2010/dec/24/freezing-weather-homeless-charities
[19:47] <AlanBell> approaching eastern europe now http://www.noradsanta.org/en/index.html
[19:48] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: http://www.fnal.gov/pub/ferminews/santa/
[19:49] <jbblack> Hello Linux people... i just installed Ubuntu... it's pretty cool
[19:50] <MartijnVdS> another fan \o/]
[19:51] <danfish> I'm not sure what I'm more excited about - Santy Claus visiting tonight or the Dr Who Special \o/
[19:51] <MartijnVdS> danfish: isn't the dr tomorrow
[19:51] <MartijnVdS> danfish: also, top gear on boxing day
[19:52] <jbblack> english people? i thought i was the only brit online
[19:52] <_H> Reindeer feed on grass and lichens, but also have a taste for the fly agaric toadstool, Amanita muscaria, because of its intoxicating and euphoric effects.
[19:53] <MartijnVdS> _H: reindeer are stoned? like koalas :)
[19:53] <danfish> MartijnVdS: yep  - dr who at 6pm UK time :(
[19:53] <danfish> but due to temporal distortions, that time may vary :P
[19:53] <_H> The  Sami have a custom of feeding fly agaric to their deer and collecting  the urine to drink. The reindeer's digestive system metabolises the more  poisonous components of the toadstool, leaving urine with the  hallucinogenic and psychotropic elements of the fungus intact. Drinking  the urine gives a 'high' similar to taking LSD.  Under the hallucinatory effects of the drink, the Sami thought their  reindeer were flying through
[19:54] <_H> The  reindeers' liking for the toadstool hallucinogens are such that they, in  turn, have been known to eat the snow on which intoxicated humans have  urinated, creating a reciprocating cycle.When the first  missionaries reached Lapland they heard stories of such reindeer flight,  and integrated those tales into the existing Christmas folklore of  Western cultures concerning Saint Nicholas.
[19:54] <MartijnVdS> _H: you're full of interesting facts this evening ;)
[19:54]  * _H shuts up
[19:55] <_H> just wanted to say that's why roudolf has a red nose and the raineer fly
[20:08] <AlanBell> jbblack: plenty of brits here, this is the UK channel
[20:09] <Nafallo> UK = Ukraine
[20:09] <Nafallo> :-P
[20:09] <MartijnVdS> Nafallo: ...
[20:10] <AlanBell> Nafallo: #ubuntu-gb redirects here for the benefit of pedants
[20:10] <suprengr> whats a United Kraine?
[20:11] <Nafallo> AlanBell: I know. GeoIP thinks UK is Ukraine IIRC :-)
[20:12] <MartijnVdS> good thing .nl is .nl
[20:12] <MartijnVdS> not .hol or something weird :)
[20:13] <Nafallo> aye :-)
[20:14] <Nafallo> there is some hilarity with sv and se as well I believe.
[20:15] <MartijnVdS> and sk
[20:16] <Nafallo> .se = Sweden, SE = Saami, SV = Swedish
[20:16] <MartijnVdS> sk = Slovakia
[20:17] <Nafallo> yeah, not even in the equation here.
[20:17] <Nafallo> Saami is actually spoken in parts of Sweden, which might make it even more confusing.
[20:17] <MartijnVdS> Nafallo: svenska?
[20:17] <Nafallo> that's Swedish.
[20:18] <Nafallo> Saami in Swedish is samiska
[20:18] <jacobw> lol
[20:18] <jacobw> @ for the benefit of pedants
[20:30] <AlanBell> actually it is for the benefit of xchat, which joins by default to freenode and #ubuntu-$countrycode
[20:32] <jacobw> AlanBell: can you link to your flickr page? i've lost the link and i remember there were some good photos there :)
[20:32] <jacobw> i assume it was your flickr page anyway
[20:33] <MartijnVdS> flickr.com/photos/treenaks is mine if you want it :)
[20:34] <AlanBell> I think I have one photo on flickr
[20:34] <jacobw> cheers :)
[20:34] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: maybe it's a good one ;)
[20:34] <_H> I just ordered a sack of spuds [18kg] as they last longer and are cheaper [for example asda smart price spuds £0.97 (38.8p/kg) but you do them for 10p a kg] nearly 3 times as cheap
[20:35] <jacobw> whose was the flickr account that the pictures of the UK for beta.ubuntu-uk.org came from then?
[20:35] <_H> *you=an organics comp
[20:35] <AlanBell> ahh, right that was some stuff I tagged
[20:37] <jacobw> i've set the picture of the turntable as my desktop background MartijnVdS :)
[20:37] <MartijnVdS> jacobw: nice, thanks :)
[20:37] <jacobw> i'm looking for new backgrounds, i'm getting bored of the default Maverick ones
[20:38] <MartijnVdS> I like the brown feather(?)
[20:38] <jacobw> there should be a community site for background slideshows
[20:39] <jacobw> backgrounds.ubuntu-uk.org
[20:39]  * jacobw starts it
[20:39] <MartijnVdS> art.gnome.org ?
[20:39] <MartijnVdS> http://art.gnome.org/backgrounds
[20:41] <jacobw> i don't think there's anything more there than when i last looked a few years ago
[20:42] <suprengr> http:... get outside your front door and take photos [.com]!
[20:42] <MartijnVdS> outside = cold
[20:42] <suprengr> honest ... you are always your best artist
[20:42] <jacobw> yeah i know i should do
[20:43] <jacobw> need to find a photogenic part of Leeds :p
[20:43] <jacobw> actually, if i attached a camera taking an image every minute while i drove to Hull, i'd get loads of shots of the East Yorkshire countryside
[20:44] <suprengr> jacobw: that's called "head south" ;D
[20:44]  * jacobw asserts than the Yorkshire countryside is the best in England
[20:44]  * suprengr may well agree... wspecially with a camera [hint hint]
[20:45] <suprengr> *especially
[20:45] <_H> *25 kelos
[20:45] <jacobw> hehe
[21:10] <Flashtek> o/
[21:10] <Flashtek> I need a Jabber client for Ubuntu.. recommendations ?
[21:10] <MattJ> Jabber \o/
[21:11] <MattJ> I use Gajim, a lot of people use Pidgin, and Empathy is installed by default
[21:11] <zleap> hi fabien
[21:11] <zleap> Flashtek,
[21:11] <Flashtek> zleap:
[21:11] <Flashtek> o/
[21:11] <zleap> hows you
[21:11] <Flashtek> ok mate..
[21:11] <zleap> good
[21:11] <zleap> just looking at this article i am meant to write
[21:11] <Flashtek> oh, cool
[21:12] <Flashtek> oohh.. kopete do jabber ?
[21:13]  * MattJ mumbles something
[21:13] <MattJ> It does, but not brilliantly - not that I've ever used it
[21:13] <MattJ> Just help people who have
[21:13] <MattJ> If you like Kopete and it works for you, great :)
[21:14] <Flashtek> well, it's already installed..
[21:15] <Flashtek> I am going to use gtalk
[21:15] <MattJ> Didn't know you were using KDE, all the clients I recommended are GTK/Gnome
[21:15]  * Flashtek actually has Kubuntu
[21:15] <MattJ> Psi and Swift (the latter isn't in the repos yet) use Qt
[21:15] <MattJ> but try Kopete first if you want
[21:16]  * Flashtek will
[21:28] <suprengr> just been looking at NORAD's santa tracker.  Not long before he's in the UK.  QUICK everybody, hide the mince pies & alcohol! If we all do it I bet he looses enoughn wieght to make his stupid red troosers fall down amd proove he waers red knickers & red suzzies !
[21:29]  * AlanBell has just been hiding some of his alcohol
[21:29]  * AlanBell goes off to "hide" the mince pies too
[21:29]  * suprengr congratulates al
[21:31] <suprengr> num num
[21:34] <bigcalm> Hi kids :)
[21:35] <suprengr> Santa's current location - Athens, Greece.  I bet he hoped Greece was actually Grease.. a.k.a gosse fat sandwich with lard dressing
[21:37] <suprengr> hurry kids.... hide that booze and mince pie salad
[21:43]  * suprengr wishes you all a good one [and pleeese don't tell Santa what I said]
[22:07]  * danfish is full of Christmas cheer (and zider)
[22:08] <danfish> one year, my dad bit into the carrot left out for santa's deer and lost a tooth.
[22:08] <danfish> Finding a dentist on xmas day was rather amusing !
[22:10] <bigcalm> Ouch
[22:12] <danfish> bigcalm: all presents wrapped up and accounted for?
[22:14] <bigcalm> danfish: mostly
[22:14] <bigcalm> Seeing GF's family tomorrow, so those are done
[22:14] <bigcalm> Then seeing my family on Sunday, so we have a little more to wrap
[22:15] <bigcalm> I got my GF's done a few days ago :)
[22:15] <danfish> bigcalm: remember, BP garages are a always good for last minute pressies...
[22:15] <bigcalm> Are you still wrapping?
[22:15] <bigcalm> Hehe
[22:15] <danfish> ....though a bag of coal does not go down well will the in laws :P
[22:15] <Laney> so so bad at wrapping
[22:16] <danfish> Laney: amazon are very fgood at it
[22:18] <danfish> and with that I bit you all a good evening, christmas, new year and the end of a past 2 'monthus crapus'!
[22:21] <Azelphur> I'm impressed with my G2, it runs a playstation emulator very well
[22:21] <Azelphur> I played gran turismo for the past hour :D
[22:21] <MartijnVdS> wo.. just found the "Limited edition: 89/1000" tag on one of my records :)
[22:21] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: 5?
[22:21] <Azelphur> wat?
[22:21] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: GT5?
[22:21] <Azelphur> no, playstation one emulator.
[22:21] <Azelphur> gran turismo one.
[22:21] <MartijnVdS> oh The Original
[22:22] <MartijnVdS> cool :)
[22:22] <Azelphur> lol good luck at GT5 on a phone any time soon
[22:22] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: well they said they would be adding "remote play" capabilities for b-spec ("team manager") mode
[22:22] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: for the PSP or anything else that does Remote Play
[22:22] <Azelphur> heard about that :D
[22:23] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: oh there's better stuff than that, there are companies that are starting to cloud compute games
[22:23] <Azelphur> and stream it to you with low latency video codecs
[22:23] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: Not trusting that yet -- Sony can't even keep its servers up on release week :)
[22:24] <Azelphur> haha
[22:24] <Azelphur> I'd love to do it from home
[22:24] <MartijnVdS> The more playstations you buy, the smoother the action!
[22:25] <Azelphur> haha :D
[22:25] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: I was thinking run the game in a separate hidden X session at the phones resolution and stream it via VNC or maybe VLC with something funky for input
[22:25] <Azelphur> but I don't know how to do the X session stuff :(
[22:25] <MartijnVdS> that's what remote play is, basically :)
[22:25] <Azelphur> hehe
[23:17] <AlanBell> huh! http://twitter.com/#!/noradsanta/status/18410072795258880
[23:19] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Matthew Garrett] Viewsonic GPL update - http://mjg59.livejournal.com/131682.html
[23:28] <MattJ> !info sqlite3
[23:43] <heeed> yo ho ho all