[00:22] <kristian-aalborg> hi again
[00:27] <kristian-aalborg> still fighting the spdif thing :(
[00:27] <kristian-aalborg> holstein: ping?
[00:27] <holstein> hey
[00:27] <holstein> you ever get any sound out of there?
[00:27] <kristian-aalborg> nope
[00:27] <holstein> you might not :/
[00:27] <kristian-aalborg> on mint 10 now... same damn thing
[00:28] <holstein> yeah, i wouldnt think anything in mint would have different support really
[00:28] <holstein> not in that case
[00:28] <holstein> hmmm...
[00:29] <holstein> i would say ask in #alsa
[00:29] <kristian-aalborg> I'm there already
[00:30] <kristian-aalborg> it's not that mint is neccesaryly better supported but it's what I'm used to
[00:30] <holstein> yeah, mint is slick
[00:31] <holstein> i was just thinking if you could get the thing working in some live CD
[00:31] <holstein> you could poke around and learn why its working
[00:31] <holstein> kristian-aalborg: what are your plans for that output?
[00:32] <holstein> as a pro audio guy, i wouldnt lose sleep over hooking that up in the living room
[00:32] <holstein> i mean, it would be nice and clean, but not a deal breaker
[00:33] <holstein> and it could be that the D/A converters are better in that card than in the device you're trying to run it to
[00:36] <kristian-aalborg> holstein: trust me, it IS a deal breaker for me
[00:36] <holstein> you dont have analog inputs on the device?
[00:36] <holstein> the reciever?
[00:36] <kristian-aalborg> I have 10 meters or so from my box to the receiver - analog sounds awful, I have tried
[00:37] <kristian-aalborg> I get a constant hiss with an analog wire
[00:37] <holstein> :/
[00:37] <holstein> and you dropped who-knows-what on a 10 meter spdif cable ;)
[00:38] <kristian-aalborg> I dropped something like 20 dollars... and the same for the card
[00:38] <holstein> kristian-aalborg: have you tried a pulse-audio channel?
[00:38] <holstein> kristian-aalborg: oh, thats not too bad then
[00:38] <holstein> maybe you can get a better card anyways
[00:38] <kristian-aalborg> no, it's a fairly good system once it works
[00:39] <holstein> thats better supported
[00:39] <kristian-aalborg> I'm not sure where the problem lays - I have a horrible FoxConn MB, it might be to blame
[00:39] <holstein> kristian-aalborg: maybe the myth folks?
[00:40] <holstein> nah, i bet its just the alsa driver not dealing with all of the card properly
[00:40] <holstein> that happens
[00:41] <kristian-aalborg> the strange thing is, that in alsamixer, nothing says "IEC958" - it only says s/pdif
[00:41] <kristian-aalborg> I'm fairly sure it said the former earlier
[00:42] <holstein> kristian-aalborg: you can ask in #opensourcemusicians
[02:42] <bodhizazen> 'lo all
[02:42] <bodhizazen> stlsaint, how goes ?
[02:43] <pedro3005> it's bodhizazen !
[02:43] <bodhizazen> Merry Christmas pedro3005
[02:43] <pedro3005> merry christmas to you too
[02:44] <bodhizazen> TY
[02:44] <aveilleux> So, I just added the compiz PPA and suddenly running an update causes the system to want to install the KDE libraries.
[02:44] <aveilleux> Is there a way for me to determine that's causing that? I kind of need the PPA.
[02:45] <bodhizazen> Unless you are tight on HD space, just take the kde libs
[02:45] <bodhizazen> IMHO
[02:45] <aveilleux> bodhizazen: But why would I do that if there's nothing on my system that needs them?
[02:46] <bodhizazen> because compiz wants them and you want compiz
[02:46] <bodhizazen> =)
[02:46] <bodhizazen> Why is it such a big deal
[02:46] <aveilleux> bodhizazen: Because I don't want the KDE libs on my machine?
[02:46] <bodhizazen> I personally use enough KDE apps, between k3b and Virtualbox
[02:46] <aveilleux> bodhizazen: I don't use any KDE apps.
[02:47] <aveilleux> bodhizazen: I want to find out what's suddenly wanting to install it.
[02:48] <bodhizazen> It is not as if kde lis are somehow evil or that they will cause problems =)
[02:48] <bodhizazen> what does apt-get install compiz -s
[02:48] <bodhizazen> show you ?
[02:48] <yofel> In those cases I usually use aptitude in interactive mode, mark everything to update, and remove what I don't want from the list again, if something depends on it I get an error at that point
[02:48] <aveilleux> bodhizazen: This system is currently being held together with baling wire and duct tape
[02:48] <aveilleux> bodhizazen: Compiz has been installed on this system for some time. I don't know why the PPA suddenly wants the KDE libs.
[02:49] <bodhizazen> Well why are you then playing with compiz from a ppa ?
[02:49] <aveilleux> bodhizazen: Plugins that are available.
[02:49] <bodhizazen> I seriously doubt ked libs will do any harm =)
[02:50] <bodhizazen> My guess is they want it for some theme or some such, or running compiz in KDE
[02:50] <aveilleux> bodhizazen: But my system doesn't use any KDE apps! I consider it a big deal to install libraries I'll never use.
[02:50] <holstein> maybe contact the PPA maintainer
[02:52] <aveilleux> bodhizazen: It's really weird, ppa-purge'ing the PPA stops the deps from being installed altogether.
[02:56] <stlsaint> bodhizazen: sup man
[02:58] <bioterror> morning
[03:02] <bodhizazen> stlsaint, going to play with squid
[03:05] <stlsaint> bodhizazen: left nginx?
[03:05] <stlsaint> bioterror: sup man
[03:05] <bioterror> dead tired, daughter decided to wakeup 5am
[03:07] <bodhizazen> stlsaint, no, not at all
[03:07] <stlsaint> lol, oh good
[03:07] <bodhizazen> I am going to try squid for something different
[03:07] <bodhizazen> ssh tunnel to a squid proxy for web browsing on an unsecured WAP
[03:08] <stlsaint> i met a guy who own vps hosting site who had a nginx openvz template! very nice
[03:11] <bodhizazen> sweet stlsaint
[03:11] <bodhizazen> nginx is very very nice for that
[03:11] <stlsaint> ftw
[03:12] <bodhizazen> I server out a ton of pages with nginx + 12 mb RAM
[03:12] <stlsaint> bodhizazen: but my server took a dump from a power outtage so now in server shopping again smh
[03:12] <bodhizazen> I could probably reduce that to 6 mb, but why bother ? lol
[03:12] <bodhizazen> stlsaint, need a VPS ?
[03:13] <stlsaint> bodhizazen: oh no i had backups, i need server for storage, testing, learning etc etc
[03:13] <stlsaint> bodhizazen: thanks of course
[04:33] <collin_> Hello. I am having a problem getting my Conexant internal mic to work
[06:01] <BR_> anyone up in here
[06:03] <BR_> awake
[06:03] <bioterror> I am
[06:06] <BR_> what does it mean 'no proprietary drivers are in use on this system
[06:10] <bioterror> :D
[16:26] <Unguided> Hello All. Newb questions here. I have a 2 y/o boy. I was wondering if there is a website with the various games available for linux
[16:32] <Unguided> Hello All. I have a 2 y/o at home and i was wondering if their is a website with the available linux games for his age group
[16:40] <suprengr> Unguided: wouldn't it be better at that age just to give him the box the computer came in.. he'd probably have more fun  if not... / set cbeebies as browser home page - 2/ browse through Ubuntu Software Centre (tuxpaint is prob the best but there are others)
[16:44] <Unguided> okay thanks
[16:44] <suprengr> ... & tux typng might be a lead on for him in a year or so (perhaps sooner)
[16:44] <suprengr> pleasure
[17:06] <Karti> Hi all, is it better to give  server a fixed IP rather than lock it down to a fixed ip address from within a dhcp server ? Cheers
[17:07] <Karti> Just asked in UK....not sure what level teh question was ...sorry
[17:08] <holstein> Karti: i suppose the end result is the same
[17:09] <holstein> i usually do it on the machine
[17:09] <holstein> then if i need to change or reset the router
[17:09] <holstein> the setup seems easier
[17:09] <Karti> holstein, Just wondered if I should contain myself to working on teh dhcp only rather than worry about amending each new server
[17:10] <holstein> i say do what you feel comfortable with
[17:10] <Karti> but I suppose it can be just as easy...after all you would remote on to teh server to look at issues
[17:10] <Karti> I think to learn ....I may keep to teh server until I am happy
[17:20]  * suprengr ponders... "the" is known as and is [in grammar] the definite article - so 'teh' is the dinifate arcitle ??/ ;D
[17:22] <Karti> Just my bad typing as I get older :)
[17:22] <holstein> ;)
[17:23] <suprengr> a feeling i know well ;)
[21:41] <alexander> anyone know if it possible to set up an iphone in ubuntu
[21:42] <holstein> w0w
[21:42] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PortableDevices/iPhone
[21:42] <holstein> alexander: ^^
[21:42] <holstein> maybe chew that over til someone comes along
[21:43] <stlsaint> what do you mean setup?
[21:43] <alexander> cheers holstein that will keep me busy
[21:43] <stlsaint> alexander: ??
[21:43] <stlsaint> setup?
[21:43] <stlsaint> you mean manage?
[21:43] <alexander> yes essentially
[21:44] <stlsaint> in comparison with itunes there is nothing that handles in such a manner but banshee/rythmbox are going to get you closes
[21:45] <fatharrahman> Hi
[21:45] <alexander> yes rythmbox works well to synch music
[21:46] <stlsaint> fatharrahman: sup
[21:46] <fatharrahman> I want  to make a partition in a drive containing windows seven for ubuntu but I dont want to loose the infos of that partition how?
[21:47] <aveilleux> fatharrahman: Use a partition manager such as GParted. It uses nondestructive resizing (it moves any data in the partition so you don't lose it)
[21:47] <fatharrahman> I did that
[21:47] <aveilleux> fatharrahman: I recommend RiP Linux, which contains GParted as well as other helpful tools and is much lighter than the GParted LiveCD
[21:47] <fatharrahman> but
[21:48] <stlsaint> aveilleux: is RiP cli based?
[21:48] <aveilleux> stlsaint: It can be, but it has a graphical mode.
[21:48] <fatharrahman> I only got a bootable live usb
[21:48] <aveilleux> fatharrahman: the Ubuntu live USB has GParted on it, iirc
[21:49] <fatharrahman> when I inter gparted what to choose : change or revert?
[21:50] <aveilleux> fatharrahman: What?
[21:51] <fatharrahman> to make sure I choose the  drive I want then click on change button or revert?
[21:52] <aveilleux> fatharrahman: Revert undoes every change you have done so far.
[21:52] <fatharrahman> ok
[21:54] <fatharrahman> if I choose change (the partition) button , would this choice erase any files in that drive aveilleux
[21:55] <aveilleux> fatharrahman: You should have an option to resize the Windows (ntfs) partition. Do that, then create a Linux (ext4) partition and a swap partition.
[21:57] <fatharrahman> I don't see that option on gparted do you have a link to a tutorial? please
[21:58] <aveilleux> fatharrahman: http://www.howtoforge.com/partitioning_with_gparted
[21:59] <alexander> does anyone know if i can use photoshop or dreamweaver in ubuntu
[22:00] <aveilleux> alexander: Not natively. They don't work too well in WINE either.
[22:01] <alexander> thats what i heard as well
[22:01] <fatharrahman> thank you that's very helpful
[22:01] <aveilleux> alexander: Do you need to do WYSIWYG editing, or do you go your HTML editing by hand?
[22:03] <UndiFineD> alexander, there alternatives in linux
[22:03] <alexander> need to do it wysiwyg
[22:03] <Duzz> Hey
[22:04]  * aveilleux does not like WYSIWYG
[22:04] <UndiFineD> http://www.linuxalt.com/
[22:04] <alexander> is there a ubuntu app to design web pages visually
[22:04] <UndiFineD> look that up alexander
[22:04] <aveilleux> alexander: Yes. You can use NVU.
[22:04] <alexander> ty UndifineD
[22:05] <UndiFineD> the best thing, they are free too
[22:05] <alexander> i love free
[22:05] <aveilleux> alexander: Alternately you can use KompoZer (based on NVU)
[22:05] <alexander> nice thanx all
[22:06] <Duzz> Im very new to ubuntu and am having an issue where i cant type a password in when trying to use sudo or su
[22:06] <aveilleux> alexander: It's important to note that most of the things listed on LinuxAlt as alternatives to DreamWeaver are NOT WYSIWYG
[22:07] <UndiFineD> Duzz, what do you do ?
[22:07] <aveilleux> Duzz: You will not see the password echoed as asterisks (*). Just type it and hit enter.
[22:07] <aveilleux> Duzz: You sort of have to trust yourself to get it right. sudo, gksudo and su all give you more than one chance to get it right.
[22:08] <Duzz> ah thanks i must just need more coffee
[22:11] <alexander> is AVU wysiwyg aveilleux
[22:11] <aveilleux> alexander: NVU is, yes
[22:11] <aveilleux> alexander: sudo apt-get install nvu
[22:12] <aveilleux> alexander: Whoops, NVU isn't supported anymore. Try KompoZer.
[22:12] <aveilleux> alexander: sudo apt-get install kompozer
[22:12] <alexander> awesome thanx
[22:13] <alexander> oh ok will do
[22:21] <morph_> if u were just starting of with ubuntu - where would u start ? i know the resource pages, but just wonderin if anyone has advice, who might have thought if i'd looked at this when i started it would have helped me out
[22:22] <aveilleux> morph_: The best thing to do is just play with it, break it, then learn how to fix it.
[22:22] <aveilleux> morph_: It's what we're here for ;-)
[22:22] <morph_> cool fair answer
[22:22] <morph_> ive been playing around with stuff
[22:22] <morph_> cli
[22:22] <morph_> installing etc..
[22:23] <morph_> i think im trying to get my head round things having come from windows
[22:23] <aveilleux> morph_: That's how it usually is, yeah
[22:23] <morph_> anyway
[22:23] <morph_> i shall probably be bothering u with stuff in the future :)
[22:24] <aveilleux> morph_: Oh it's no bother, :P
[22:25] <ChrisDruif> Sometimes it nice to learn somebody something new :)
[22:25] <ChrisDruif> I find joy in that anyway :)
[22:34] <Assimilater> hey guys, I'm having issues figuring out how to change my grub boot order. I've search on several forums which tell me to modify files such as /boot/grub/grub.conf, but they don't exist on my my machine. If it helps I installed ubuntu onto my computer using the setup I got on a thumb drive made from pendrive's setup program.
[22:36] <aveilleux> Assimilater: Those files are for GRUB < v1.98 (Also known as "GRUB Legacy)
[22:36] <aveilleux> ")*
[22:37] <Assimilater> aveilleux: how do I figure out which version of grub I have/which files to edit?
[22:38] <aveilleux> Assimilater: If you installed anything later than 9.04, you're running Grub2
[22:38] <aveilleux> Assimilater: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2
[22:40] <aveilleux> Assimilater: The easiest way to configure GRUB is to use Startup Manager (sudo apt-get install startupmanager [in the Terminal])
[22:40] <Assimilater> aveilleux: you read my mind...I was about to ask where the startup manager was :P
[22:43] <Assimilater> We'll see if that works (I suspect it will) Thanks
[22:44] <nit-wit> Assimilater, what is on the computer as of now
[22:44] <nit-wit> doh just left
[22:44] <aveilleux> nit-wit: Awww :c
[22:45] <nit-wit> aveilleux, I have W7 and 3 linux set up I just make sure grub is running from the most stable one.
[22:46] <nit-wit> no natty control at this point