[01:16] <IdleOne> txdv is not very helpful with his on topic comments
[01:18] <IdleOne> is this holiday over yet?
[01:18] <IdleOne> I'm beat
[02:15] <jpds> bazhang: He's not responding to my argument in /msg (r007).
[02:15] <bazhang> jpds, well you are the most knowledgeable about this, thanks for the effort
[02:15] <jpds> Not really.
[02:16] <bazhang> I just know the various !rootsudo bot commands, to be honest
[02:17] <IdleOne> I never understood the whole enabling root argument, why not just use the OS the way it was designed to be used.
[02:18] <IdleOne> Ubuntu is meant to be used with sudo. just use sudo I figure
[02:20] <jpds> 02:19:47 <~r007> admin ie the admistrator of the syestem against a user a sudoer
[02:20] <jpds> 02:20:06 <jpds> I classify a sudoer as an admin user.
[02:20] <jpds> 02:20:24 <~r007> thats why your a noob
[02:20] <bazhang> hehe
[02:21] <IdleOne> ha
[02:21] <IdleOne> you got told
[02:21] <bazhang> I remember when jpds was jpatrick
[02:21] <bazhang> eons ago!
[02:21] <jpds> The days my life was relatively tax-free.
[02:21] <bazhang> heh
[02:23] <jpds> I really don't get his argument.
[02:23] <jpds> Anyway, life's too short.
[02:26] <bazhang> not really interested in him continuing to debate it after repeatedly being asked to move on
[02:31] <jpds> Oh, my trolling backfired.
[02:31] <jpds> Damn.
[02:31] <bazhang> :0
[02:32] <bazhang> last call for r0007
[02:34] <jpds> Guy needs some serious spelling lessons.
[02:38] <IdleOne> to many trolls. /me goes off to develop a nuclear troll remover device thingymajig
[02:39] <jpds> IdleOne: But if they could be turned, they could become powerful allies.
[02:39] <IdleOne> jpds: I agree but at this moment I don't have the energy to try and get them to work with us
[02:39] <IdleOne> nuke em all and we can grow new ones later
[02:53] <IdleOne> Hehe, I just found a folder with media I had forgotten about :)
[02:53] <IdleOne> Merry Xmas to me from me
[07:50] <bazhang> yech
[07:57] <Myrtti> lolwaitwhat?
[07:57] <Myrtti> he doesn't even know how to program on the language the projects are using?
[07:58] <Myrtti> he really is back firing
[07:58] <bazhang> I was talking about vijaykumar and the 'i love you mary' in #ubuntu
[07:59] <Myrtti> I know
[07:59] <bazhang> ok
[08:39] <bazhang> he's crossposting it in ##windows and ##linux and giving grief there as well
[08:41] <Jordan_U> And here I had joined ##windows and was going to help him.
[08:41] <bazhang> windows dont distribute iso afaik
[08:43] <Jordan_U> It can be done. I've never done it myself but I've seen guides for it.
[08:44] <bazhang> seems illegal frankly
[08:44] <Jordan_U> Of course it's nothing like creating a Linux LiveUSB.
[08:45] <Jordan_U> bazhang: People need to be able to install windows on netbooks too, and telling them that they need to buy or borrow a USB CDROM drive just doesn't cut it.
[08:45] <bazhang> Jordan_U, indeedy. but hardly an issue for #ubuntu .
[10:08] <AlanBell> hi all, and happy christmas
[10:09] <AlanBell> the topic in #ubuntu-uk was changed last night and I can't see how
[10:12] <AlanBell> 02:41 -!- oppla changed the topic of #ubuntu-uk to: Welcome to #ubuntu-uk! http://ubuntu-uk.org | This channel is publicly archived:  http://irclogs.ubuntu.com  | Mailing List:   http://tinyurl.com/uukml | Support Guidelines -  http://tinyurl.com/uuksupport | Meeting Thursday December 30th 21:00 GMT in  #ubuntu-uk-meeting  http://tinyurl.com/uukmeet | Happy Winterval \o/
[10:12] <AlanBell> 02:41 >> OpenURL 15
[10:12] <AlanBell> 02:42 CTCP AVATAR reply from oppla in channel #ubuntu-uk:  ?
[10:13] <AlanBell> -!- Topic set by oppla [~oppla@sertolovo-75.ptspb.ru] [Sun Dec 26 02:41:51 2010]
[10:13] <AlanBell> I can't see any evil in there
[10:14] <AlanBell> but how did a random .ru user change the topic?
[10:21] <popey> because the channel isn't +t
[11:50] <AlanBell> ah ok
[12:31] <bazhang> * [spicemaster] (~ss@122.161.162.59): Juke   jungli again evaded then parted, had him in PM and then he exited
[12:32] <gnomefreak> IIRC i unbanned him last week since it was an old ban. sorry, figured he would be good
[12:32] <gnomefreak> but i think the ban was in this channel
[12:33] <bazhang> gnomefreak, ah then not banned, my mistake
[12:33] <gnomefreak> bazhang: just in here IIRC i never set a ban in other channels
[12:33] <bazhang> gnomefreak, not an issue in #ubuntu from what I could tell, so no harm done
[12:33] <gnomefreak> k
[12:33] <bazhang> gnomefreak, ah okay
[12:34] <gnomefreak> since he has been a problem im all for keeping him out of most channels assuming he cant behave
[12:35] <bazhang> agreed. hopefully he can behave though
[12:36] <gnomefreak> bazhang: hes in #u?
[12:37] <bazhang> gnomefreak, briefly was, asked a support question, then parted
[12:37] <gnomefreak> k
[12:58] <bazhang> night all
[18:19] <IdleOne> nhandler: did you get my Pm from earlier? you pinged out just after I sent them
[18:19] <IdleOne> PM
[20:02] <trojan_spike> ?
[20:02] <mneptok> trojan_spike: helping people figure out what is happening with their Windows installations or partitions is admirable, but offtopic for #ubuntu
[20:03] <trojan_spike> mneptok, not when the problem is caused by ubuntu,, it would be a differ story the cause was from m-soft
[20:04] <mneptok> when you get to the point of asking, "what Windows version are you running?" you have gotten deep enough into another operating system's problems to warrant moving the subject off-channel
[20:04] <mneptok> the user was having problems installing Ubuntu
[20:05] <mneptok> "what version of Windows are you running?" is not going to help with that issue.
[20:05] <trojan_spike> what do u want me to say then,, 'sorry,, ubuntu made the error' but i cant help you get up and going??/ look im helping him because its happened myself and others..
[20:05] <mneptok> so go discuss it in ##windows or PM (which you started to do)
[20:06] <mneptok> Prodego / sepehr: do you need help from the ops team?
[20:06] <trojan_spike> lol,, not from you.. really up urself
[20:07] <Prodego> mneptok: possibly for someone else, I'm still trying to figure out what their problem is exactly :)
[20:07] <mneptok> trojan_spike: excuse me?
[20:07] <Prodego> it is looking like I won't
[20:07] <mneptok> Prodego: OK, we have a no-idle policy. so when you know for sure ....  :)
[20:07] <trojan_spike> mneptok, i dont want help from you.. because you are really up your self
[20:08] <mneptok> trojan_spike: that attitude is not going to help.
[20:08] <Prodego> mneptok: sure, just in case, you wouldn't happen to know who the #ubuntu GC is?
[20:08] <mneptok> trojan_spike: as i said, "Ubuntu support only" is not a channel guideline i made. but the ops team is responsible for enforcing it.
[20:08] <sepehr> mneptok: thank you for your attention, we had problems at #ubuntu-ir a couple of weeks ago which has no OP in, so I was trying to findout how can we work around the problem.
[20:09] <trojan_spike> you made a mountain out of a mole hill.. Its a common problem,, u just hear windows and get all nancy
[20:09] <mneptok> sepehr: for LoCo channel issues, you should ask for help in #ubuntu-irc
[20:09] <trojan_spike> look,, not in the mood for an argument.. Gona leave ya to it
[20:09] <mneptok> trojan_spike: are you saying that you'll continue to discuss Windows issues in #ubuntu?
[20:10] <trojan_spike> OMG
[20:10] <sepehr> mneptok: thank you
[20:10] <mneptok> trojan_spike: i'm telling you there are guidelines, and what they are. you are in no way acknowledging that.
[20:11] <mneptok> trojan_spike: "shoot the messenger" is not a good tactic when reminded of IRC guidelines
[20:11] <trojan_spike> a i not
[20:11] <trojan_spike> am i not?
[20:11] <trojan_spike>  and u would now that how?
[20:11] <mneptok> know it's not a good tactic?
[20:11] <trojan_spike> k
[20:12] <mneptok> know *what* how?
[20:12] <trojan_spike> just give some consideration as to what and why im doing something,, instead of jumping the gun.. I know ubuntu is for ubuntu / windows for windows etc etc..
[20:13] <mneptok> i did give you consideration. i asked you to stop, instead of muting or banning you. i was glad to see you take the conversation to PM. i was not happy you chose to argue about the channel policies.
[20:15] <trojan_spike> Its because i know im right in what i said,, its a common problem and both ubuntu and windows will say take it to the other one..
[20:16] <mneptok> the channel policy is Ubuntu support only.
[20:16] <mneptok> i said this before.
[20:16] <trojan_spike> Anyway,, water under the bridge.. I respect that your doing what you have to do..;)
[20:16] <mneptok> best bet, when it treads into another OS, take it to PM. which i think you now know.
[20:18] <mneptok> if ops miss things on-channel, you dodge a bullet. but when one of us has window focus, you'll get reminded (as will anyone else).
[20:18] <mneptok> IMO that's all needs be said.
[20:19] <trojan_spike> kk,, I'll keep helpin when some1 needs it..
[20:19] <mneptok> i will return to cleaning vomited cat furballs from the floor of our sun porch.
[20:19] <mneptok> ain't vacations grand?
[20:19] <trojan_spike> :)
[23:26] <IdleOne> Amaranth: I have an issue with the word shit. please make him stop.
[23:28] <ryaxnb> hello IdleOne
[23:29] <ryaxnb> IdleOne,
[23:29] <IdleOne> ryaxnb: listen to me. This discussion is over. DON"T USE the word shit.
[23:29] <ryaxnb> no, this is not over.
[23:29] <IdleOne> clear?
[23:29] <IdleOne> it is
[23:29] <ryaxnb> i already said i wont use the word shit.
[23:29] <IdleOne> I am not talking about it. it is a foul word and not acceptable.
[23:29] <ryaxnb> and shit, why are we still using this word, even in the op channel.
[23:29] <IdleOne> final.
[23:29] <ryaxnb> fine.
[23:29] <IdleOne> because I need to spell it out for you.
[23:30] <ryaxnb> i already said i wont use the word and havent used it in some time, except right now as a point
[23:30] <ryaxnb> because unlike me, youve said it 3 times now
[23:30] <IdleOne> fine. then stop arguing because you are wrong.
[23:30] <ryaxnb> i am not wrong because im not arguing; shit is not acceptable in the channel
[23:30] <Amaranth> *sigh*
[23:30] <ryaxnb> but the other words are, thank you very much
[23:30] <IdleOne> there is no discussing the rule. your point of view about the PG is wrong. G rated is acceptable that is it.
[23:31] <ryaxnb> my point of view is not wrong and if i want to i could find a g rated movie that uses most of those words
[23:31] <ryaxnb> grow up, are you afraid the use of insults makes it too easy to insult someone or something, because i can find other ways of doing that, like comparisons
[23:31] <ryaxnb> this is ridicoulous.
[23:32] <IdleOne> troll
[23:32] <IdleOne> go away.
[23:32] <ryaxnb> no
[23:32] <IdleOne> you bore me
[23:32] <ryaxnb>  i _like_ you as an op
[23:32] <IdleOne> I don't like you right now.
[23:32] <ryaxnb> and i accept not using the "real" swear words because they hinder the message i try to get across with bad language
[23:32]  * IdleOne is stepping away
[23:32] <ryaxnb> IdleOne, dont do that!
[23:33] <ryaxnb> but if i cant use anything, it also hinders my messsage even more
[23:33] <ryaxnb> thus, i need to be able to get my message across, using acceptable language
[23:33] <ryaxnb> that is all i require, not swearing
[23:33] <ryaxnb> :)
[23:34] <ryaxnb> and im staying in this channel until you come back to comment a bit more about it. (or some other op does) you cant exit a conversation because youre losing
[23:36] <IdleOne> has nothing to do with winning or losing, it has everything to do with the rules we have all agreed to follow by using Ubuntu IRC channels.
[23:36] <ryaxnb> i am agreeing to follow _those rules_
[23:36] <ryaxnb> as amaranth mentioned, other ops have decreed that those rules do not include PG level swearing
[23:37] <IdleOne> so why did it take me having to bring it up twice and Amaranth once before you finally decided to agree
[23:37] <ryaxnb> you are interpeting the rules differently and thus it is not neccesairly the rules i am not following
[23:37] <ryaxnb> because ^
[23:37] <Amaranth> ryaxnb: Those other ops get yelled at all the time because _they_ aren't following the rules
[23:37] <ryaxnb>  i agree to follow "the rules"
[23:37] <tonyyarusso> ryaxnb: That's not how it works.  IdleOne is stepping back because this has gotten "personal", so it's time for him to become uninvolved.  I would be happy to try to pick up for him, but unfortunately I'm headed out the door this moment.  Feel free to chill for a moment longer, but if nobody else looks alive within a few minutes, place part and return another time to poke around and see if there's someone available to discuss this ...
[23:37] <tonyyarusso> ... with you.
[23:37] <tonyyarusso> g'night!
[23:38] <Amaranth> ryaxnb: I'm not saying what IdleOne says aren't the rules, I'm saying they are selectively enforced (which is another problem)
[23:38] <ryaxnb> IdleOne is unfortunately stepping out becuase it is getting personal because he is wrong.
[23:38] <IdleOne> I am not wrong
[23:38] <ryaxnb> but this is a stupid argument because these rules are rarely enforced even by idle one.
[23:38] <Amaranth> afaik IdleOne can't enforce those rules in #ubuntu-offtopic
[23:38] <ryaxnb> not once have i been called out for using crap, damn etc so long as i dont use anything stronger
[23:39] <ryaxnb> again, not one person
[23:39] <ryaxnb> idleone or not
[23:39] <Amaranth> I've been called out for using wtf and damn because those are against the rules
[23:39] <IdleOne> I don't have to have +o in a channel to tell you that you are breaking a rule
[23:39] <ryaxnb> those "selectively  enforced" rules... ive never seen anyone tell anyone that that breaks the rules until now
[23:39] <Amaranth> However most of the time it will depend on the context and the op
[23:39] <ryaxnb> im not taking +o
[23:39] <ryaxnb> ive never seen anyone _warned_ about damn or crap
[23:39] <ryaxnb> you have to at least say wtf.
[23:39] <IdleOne> I didn't say anything about the word damn
[23:40] <ryaxnb> you did about crap and frak.
[23:40] <ryaxnb> frak has two letters in common with the other word.
[23:40] <IdleOne> yup because the word "shit" is vulgar
[23:40] <ryaxnb> so poo is too?
[23:40] <IdleOne> you didn't use crap. I would of let crap slide
[23:40] <ryaxnb> violating your own rules-- poo appears in G rated movies.
[23:40] <ryaxnb> i did use crap at one point.
[23:40] <ryaxnb> i also used frak
[23:41] <IdleOne> but excessive use of the word crap could be wrong also
[23:41] <ryaxnb> my view on frak is that frak is simply a  loud minor swear that sounds good
[23:41] <ryaxnb> words with f and k seemt to sound gooda
[23:41] <IdleOne> you know what. I am done. do what you want. I am not an op there.
[23:41] <ryaxnb> and the company name fcuk has a heck of a lot more in common than frak with the bad word
[23:41] <IdleOne> sorry for disrupting your excessive monologue.
[23:41] <ryaxnb> so good god
[23:41] <IdleOne> later
[23:41] <ryaxnb> later
[23:43] <IdleOne> no sense staying on a sinking ship.