[04:13] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: one takes darwin
[04:13] <apachelogger> then adds more fancy on top of it
[04:13] <apachelogger> and has an osx distro
[04:21] <valorie> so mac sound is better than  linux sound?
[04:21] <valorie> my mac was so old I think all it did was beep
[04:22]  * valorie plays new cds in linux sound-glory
[04:41] <apachelogger> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Core_Audio
[04:50] <valorie> too bad about the closed parts
[06:15] <apachelogger> valorie: how so?
[06:19] <valorie> license proprietary, for starters
[06:20] <valorie> but they rely on OpenAL: License 	LGPL before 1.1, proprietary since 1.1
[06:20] <valorie> so again, closed
[06:21] <valorie> I mean, I'm not a freedom fanatic
[06:21] <valorie> but I generally choose free over closed
[06:29] <apachelogger> valorie: so you rather have the free broken shit pile of linux? :P
[06:30] <valorie> rofl
[06:30] <valorie> you just helped me build a shiny new phonon and phonon-vlc!
[06:31] <valorie> and my kubuntu isn't a shitpile
[06:32] <valorie> I've actually shoveled multiple types of manure in my long and checkered life.....
[06:32] <valorie> pig being the worst by far
[06:32] <valorie> linux is more like.....rabbit pellets
[06:32] <valorie> useful, non-offensive
[06:33] <valorie> but still a bit poo
[06:33] <apachelogger> my intarwebs is going to the death
[06:33] <apachelogger> horriblyness!!!!
[06:33] <apachelogger> argh
[06:33] <apachelogger> I hate xine(tm)
[06:33] <apachelogger> I hate austria(tm)
[06:33]  * valorie has a guestroom
[06:33] <valorie> come to green washington state!
[06:34] <valorie> bit cold atm, though
[06:34] <valorie> 34F, and some bits of snow predicted
[06:36] <Tm_T> it was just -30 C for a week here 
[06:36] <apachelogger> scary
[06:36] <Tm_T> proper winter <3
[06:39] <valorie> good lord
[06:39] <valorie> I'd rather have a maritime climate, even with all the rain
[06:40] <valorie> apachelogger: if you get here soon, you can come up to the cabin with us for New Year's
[06:40] <valorie> most of the comforts of home
[06:40] <valorie> no internet, though
[07:04] <nigelb> Tm_T: heh, a friend of mine was in finland for a week.
[07:04] <nigelb> Tm_T: He said he loved to be in proper Christmas weather :p
[07:04] <nigelb> s/a week/2 weeks/
[07:14] <yofel> we got like 50cm fresh snow here in germany over christmas, nice surprise, haven't had a white christmas in years ^^
[07:49] <valorie> so, every time I try to change phonon-backends and test out phonon-vlc, which I just successfully built, systemsettings crashes
[07:49] <valorie> however, my bt is useless, so Dr. K asks if I want to install debugging
[07:50] <valorie> of course I do
[07:50] <valorie> but what it wants to install is kde-base-dbg
[07:50] <valorie> which doesn't exist
[07:50] <valorie> according to kpackagekit
[07:50] <valorie> Dr. K reports that it's successfully installed, but the bit is worthless, etc.
[07:51] <valorie> wash, rinse, repeat
[07:51] <valorie> anyone got a clue as to the dbg package I should try to find and install?
[07:52] <valorie> and apachelogger isn't allowed to use the phrase "free broken pile of shit" again
[07:55] <valorie> huh
[07:55] <valorie> now they're called kdebase-dbg
[07:56] <valorie> someone should tell Dr. Konqui that
[08:09] <valorie> actually, I do have kdebase-workspace-dbg, which is I think what's needed
[08:09] <valorie> but: Application: System Settings (systemsettings), signal: Aborted
[08:09] <valorie> I think something's amiss with phonon
[09:01] <valorie> so -- should I file the bug against phonon, or systemsettings, or what?
[09:09] <valorie> seems to be phonon-vlc
[09:09] <valorie> the same thing doesn't happen in phonon-gst
[10:27] <apachelogger> valorie: I very much think it wants to install kdebase-dbg
[10:27] <apachelogger> and depending on the actual backtrace that might be needed in addition to kdebase-workspace-dbg
[10:29] <valorie> ha, I just happened to try it with phonon-xine -- also instant crash
[10:29] <valorie> otoh, am reporting another type of crash in phonon-gst
[10:29] <valorie> so......
[10:29] <valorie> :(
[10:30] <apachelogger> valorie: what does the trace look like?
[10:30]  * valorie goes to look for kdebase-dbg, but I think it's already installed
[10:30] <valorie> just testing a bit more before I submit, to be sure it's only gst
[10:31] <valorie> effing hell
[10:31] <valorie> crashes in phonon-xine too
[10:32] <valorie> I used to be able to listen to podcasts, just DAYS ago....
[10:32] <valorie> what are you doing up?
[10:32] <valorie> you got like ..... 3 hours sleep
[10:33] <skfin> Hey valorie :P
[10:33] <valorie> hi skfin
[10:33] <valorie> how are you
[10:33] <valorie> I see you in all the kde chans now
[10:33] <valorie> lol
[10:33] <skfin> Great
[10:34] <skfin> Thanks, you?
[10:34] <valorie> yes indeed, kdebase-dbg IS installed
[10:34] <apachelogger> valorie: I did not go to bed
[10:34]  * apachelogger had breakfast
[10:34] <apachelogger> and broken intarwebs
[10:34] <valorie> oh, I'm crashing amarok in like 5 different ways
[10:34] <skfin> valorie: Hmm, I have been on almost all kde channels already for few months
[10:34] <valorie> ok
[10:34] <apachelogger> valorie: there is a bug in the debug magic in 10.10
[10:34] <valorie> well, now you are spleaking up
[10:34] <valorie> apachelogger: truer words were never spoken
[10:34] <apachelogger> it will repeatedly try to install the crashing apps dbg package
[10:35] <valorie> indeed it will 
[10:35] <valorie> even when they are installed
[10:35] <apachelogger> which is not really harmful though
[10:35] <valorie> and then it says they aren't there again, when it just said it successfully installed them!
[10:49] <valorie> apachelogger: 
[10:49] <valorie> Crash report sent.
[10:49] <valorie> URL: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=261356
[10:49] <valorie> Thank you for being part of KDE.
[10:49] <valorie> :-)
[10:49] <valorie> oops, should have fixed that title
[11:05] <markey> by the gods, someone please push this libpulse fix to backports?
[11:05] <markey> pretty please :)
[11:05] <markey> the crashing is annoying as hell
[11:05] <markey> apachelogger: ^
[11:05] <markey> or, even better, can we kill PulseAudio with fire?
[11:05]  * apachelogger thinks amarok is causing that crash
[11:05] <apachelogger> valorie: what podcast is that?
[11:05] <markey> seriously, does it even make sense in Kubuntu?
[11:05] <markey> IMHO it makes no sense at all
[11:06] <markey> only for GNOME it might make a tiny bit of sense
[11:06] <markey> all I get is crashes and latency and nonsense
[11:06] <markey> there is 0 net win from PA
[11:06] <markey> I can't think of any reason for keeping it per default...
[11:06] <markey> ALSA has DMix
[11:06] <markey> so, we have software mixing
[11:06] <apachelogger> per-app volume control
[11:06] <markey> dude
[11:07] <markey> that does not even work with KDE
[11:07] <apachelogger> device detection
[11:07] <markey> and Amarok has its own software volume
[11:07] <apachelogger> xdesktop volume/device setting
[11:07] <markey> who does really use this feature in KDE?
[11:07] <markey> I don't know of a single person
[11:07] <apachelogger> kmix
[11:07] <apachelogger> you do not need to use it
[11:07] <apachelogger> which is the whole poit
[11:07] <apachelogger> *point
[11:07] <markey> PA is a pile of crap that Poettering invented, then left, and not Colin Guthrie is trying to fix up that mess
[11:07] <markey> what kind of working is that?
[11:08] <markey> Poetter in
[11:08] <markey> is the biggest idiot ever
[11:08] <apachelogger> valorie: actually I know the crash all to well, just not sure about the cause
[11:08] <markey> have you looked at responses from users whenever the topic PA is discussed?
[11:08] <markey> they hate it
[11:09] <markey> s/not Colin/now Colin
[11:09] <Quintasan> \o
[11:10] <yofel> morning Quintasan
[11:10] <Quintasan> What, Pulse Audio problems again?
[11:10] <Quintasan> I dunno who the hell invented it but it doesn't make anything better.
[11:10] <Quintasan> yofel: \o
[11:10]  * Quintasan started to rant as soon as he got here
[11:11] <valorie> apachelogger: I tried two
[11:11] <valorie> this american life, which I've been listening to in Amarok for like....years
[11:11] <valorie> and another NPR one
[11:11] <valorie> it wasn't even streaming!
[11:11] <valorie> they were both downloaded
[11:12] <valorie> could be amarok, I don't know
[11:12] <yofel> Quintasan: it does make things better, now we can blame the ubuntu devs too for braking our sound
[11:12] <Quintasan> valorie: reinstalling Amarok didn't help. I also deleted my .kde/share/apps/amarok/* but it still crashes :<
[11:12] <valorie> but I was successfully listening to ones from the same shows last week
[11:12] <valorie> :(
[11:12] <valorie> gotta take out the old doggie
[11:13] <Quintasan> AMAROK Y U DO DIS
[11:13] <apachelogger> valorie: what url
[11:15] <valorie> oh, se
[11:15] <valorie> c
[11:15] <valorie> http://feeds.thisamericanlife.org/talpodcast is one
[11:15] <valorie> http://feeds.wnyc.org/radiolab
[11:15] <valorie> the other
[11:16] <valorie> and I didn't set a special download folder or anything
[11:16] <apachelogger> valorie: latest episode I presume?
[11:16] <valorie> nope
[11:16] <valorie> I can try again of course
[11:17] <Quintasan> WTF
[11:18] <yofel> hm, are package descriptions translated anywhere?
[11:19] <apachelogger> valorie: canont reproduce it with #305 of the first pod
[11:19] <valorie> cool, 
[11:19] <apachelogger> yofel: somewhere surely
[11:19] <valorie> my machine is haunted, perhaps
[11:19] <valorie> tonight at least
[11:19] <apachelogger> yofel: at least for the user stuff as seen in kpk and software center 
[11:20] <ulysses> yofel: http://nightmonkey.ubuntu.hu/ http://nightmonkey.ubuntu.hu/stat
[11:20] <yofel> just wondering if kpk is supposed to use them, it doesn't here
[11:20] <apachelogger> valorie: well, I get this crash every once in a while
[11:20] <apachelogger> but seems rather random
[11:20] <apachelogger> and it is a bit weird because it would seem that the crash is related to the central piece of playback being deleted
[11:20] <apachelogger> and I would like to know where it is going and why
[11:20] <apachelogger> yofel: it should
[11:21] <apachelogger> AFAIK
[11:21] <apachelogger> there was some talk about this before release I think
[11:22] <valorie> odd that tonight anything I test is failing
[11:22] <valorie> perhaps my conclusion should be shut down the haunted machine and go to bed
[11:22] <valorie> since it's after 3am
[11:24] <apachelogger> yeah
[11:24] <apachelogger> off to bed with you
[11:24] <apachelogger> nini valorie
[11:24] <valorie> good night, and thanks for all your help
[11:27] <yofel> gn
[11:49] <nigelb> tazz: \o/
[11:49] <tazz> nigelb, 
[11:49] <nigelb> tazz: Didn't know you hung out here :)
[11:50] <tazz> i do
[12:38] <apachelogger> Riddell: the analyzer appearing in dragon is dragon's fault
[14:45] <apachelogger> Riddell: sound problems are sort of phonongst's fault
[14:46] <apachelogger> to feed the analyzer dragon uses audiodataoutput (i.e. raw audio data) which in combination wiht the regular audiooutput causes some sort of pipeline blocking resulting in the sound problems
[15:19] <smarter> hey
[15:19] <smarter> apachelogger: Kubuntu will get slots for the GSoC this year?
[15:40] <Nightrose> smarter: gsoc 2011 isn't even announced yet ;-)
[15:41] <smarter> hi Nightrose :)
[15:41] <Nightrose> 'lo
[15:41] <smarter> when will it be?
[15:42] <Nightrose> not sure - probably first 3 months of 2011 - and then orgs can apply and get selected within a few weeks
[15:42] <Nightrose> look at the 2010 timeline - it'll probably be closeish to it
[15:42] <Nightrose> (if there will be a gsoc 2011)
[15:43] <smarter> their might not be one?
[15:43] <Nightrose> google doesn't announce things in advance - so there might or might not be yes
[15:43] <Nightrose> chances are good there will be
[15:43] <smarter> 'kay
[15:45] <smarter> by the way, I'm an edge case: I can't participate in gsoc 2011 because (last I checked) you have to be 18 in april and I'll be 18 in may, and I can't participate in code-in because you have to be in high school and I'm already in college, is there anything I can do or am I screwed? :p
[15:46] <Nightrose> i fear you're screwed
[15:46] <Nightrose> so wait for the 2012 gsoc or hope they'll chance the cut-off date
[15:46] <Nightrose> *change
[15:46] <Nightrose> or take part in season of kde ;-)
[15:46] <Nightrose> no money but you get a tshirt and certificate
[15:47] <smarter> oh well, tshirts are nice :]
[15:47] <Quintasan> Nightrose: are you running natty?
[15:48] <Nightrose> nope
[15:48] <Quintasan> meh
[15:48] <Quintasan> Amarok crashes for me each time at startup :(
[15:50] <smarter> "You must be 18 years of age or older by April 25, 2011 to be eligible to participate inGoogle Summer of Code in 2011." damn, I should have been born 3 weeks earlier
[16:03] <Riddell> apachelogger: hmm, so we're screwed for video for phonon+gstreamer+dragon?
[16:07] <Riddell> anyone started on koffice?
[16:15] <Quintasan> Riddell: Is it urgent?
[16:23] <Riddell> Quintasan: due for release on 29th
[16:24] <apachelogger> Riddell: not necessarily, looking into it, worst case would be that we deactivate the analyzer
[16:24] <apachelogger> which quite frankly would not be the worst thing to do
[16:24] <Riddell> apachelogger: and that solves all our problems?
[16:24] <apachelogger> it is not exactly a well tought through feature IMHO
[16:24] <apachelogger> Riddell: aye
[16:24] <Riddell> easy peasy
[16:48] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna, Riddell: any thoughts on bug 641288
[16:48]  * apachelogger is completely clueless
[16:50]  * Quintasan has some wreid stack traces in dmesg
[16:50] <Quintasan> maybe that's why my computer is getting sloooooooooooooow
[16:50] <apachelogger> very likely
[16:51] <Quintasan> #ubuntu-kernel is lifeless as usual :<
[16:51] <Quintasan> !search xmllint
[16:51] <Quintasan> found what?
[16:52] <apachelogger> broken
[16:53] <ari-tczew> II'm looking for ssh agent for kde. is there anyone?
[16:53] <Quintasan> ari-tczew: ssh agent as in?
[16:54] <ari-tczew> Quintasan: to remember my passwords and keys
[16:54] <ari-tczew> after switch from gnome filezilla doesn't want to handle with sftp
[16:54] <Quintasan> I thin you can add those things in dolphin
[16:55] <Quintasan> I'm logging to people.ubuntu.com like this
[16:55] <apachelogger> markey: http://paste.ubuntu.com/547997/
[16:55] <apachelogger> was skipping around like a mad men
[16:55] <apachelogger> then closed amarok
[16:55] <apachelogger> and death came over it
[16:55] <Quintasan> hahahaha
[16:55] <Quintasan> enhoy
[16:55] <Quintasan> enjoy*
[16:56] <Quintasan> I can't even start Amarok :/
[16:56] <apachelogger> rm -rf ~/.kde/share/*/amarok*
[16:56] <apachelogger> ari-tczew: there at least was one at times
[16:56] <apachelogger> Quintasan: I think your ssh key just doesnt have a password
[16:57] <Quintasan> apachelogger: lol
[16:57] <Quintasan> apachelogger: I did that (rm'ing) at least 10 times today
[16:58] <apachelogger> that exact command?
[17:02] <Quintasan> y
[17:02] <Quintasan> well not exacly
[17:02] <Quintasan> rm ~/.kde/share/apps/amarok/*  .kde/share/config/amarok*
[17:07] <apachelogger> a
[17:07] <apachelogger> ok
[17:07] <apachelogger> Quintasan: so what does it do?
[17:07] <Quintasan> lol crashes at splash screen
[17:08] <Quintasan> and even though I have debug packages installed it generates useless backtrace
[17:10] <apachelogger> may I see?
[17:10] <Quintasan> wait a second
[17:11] <Quintasan> till my konsole unfreezes
[17:14] <Daskreech> Ctrl+S ?
[17:15] <Quintasan> Daskreech: it's not a ctrl+s solvable problem
[17:16] <Daskreech> ok :) just sometimes konsole (bash really) gets stuck and I have to do the Ctrl+S/Ctrl+Q dance
[17:18] <apachelogger> Im dancing with ctrl, Im dancing with control, what a glorious feelin' I am bashing again...
[17:20] <Daskreech> My business card has me listed as Master of Internal Bashing 
[17:20] <apachelogger> mine sez master of the phonons
[17:22] <Quintasan> apachelogger: http://pastebin.com/gn6JYDvn
[17:28] <apachelogger> random guess: your qtscript stuff is busted
[17:31] <Quintasan> hurrr
[17:31] <Quintasan> and how do I fix this
[17:35] <apachelogger> dunno
[17:35] <apachelogger> reinstall
[18:21] <CIA-39> [kgoldrunner] sitter * 1209633 * trunk/KDE/kdegames/kgoldrunner/src/kgrgame.cpp when starting a new game, make sure that all playback is discarded, otherwise one gets overlapping sounds if one was falling before starting a new game
[18:49] <milian> I'm still on 10.04 and do-release-upgrade keeps failing for me - can someone help me with this log: http://users.physik.fu-berlin.de/~milianw/apt.log
[18:52] <apachelogger> eh
[18:52] <apachelogger> milian: apt-cache search libkephal
[18:53] <milian> libkephal4 - API for easier handling of multihead systems
[18:53] <milian> and now?
[18:53] <apachelogger> hmmmm
[18:54] <apachelogger> interesting
[18:54] <apachelogger> milian: dpkg-query -l libkephal*
[18:54] <Riddell> libkephal4 is right for 10.04 and 10.10
[18:54] <milian> http://pastebin.ca/2030705
[18:54] <apachelogger> milian: sudo apt-get install plasma-netbook
[18:54] <milian> why?
[18:54] <milian> wth hell what do I need that for?
[18:54] <milian> *sigh*
[18:55] <apachelogger> just for fun
[18:55] <apachelogger> also it seems to be a dependency of kubuntu-desktop ;)
[18:55] <apachelogger> as kubuntu-desktop nowadays decides what shell to use based on magic
[18:55] <milian> -.-
[18:55] <milian> lets try again
[18:55] <milian> what about the other errors though?
[18:55] <milian> esd0 etc.
[18:56] <apachelogger> it is resolving those
[18:56] <apachelogger>   Fixing libesd0 via remove of libesd-alsa0
[18:56] <apachelogger> if I understand the log correctly it only falls over plasma-netbook
[18:57] <milian> hm
[18:57] <milian> such a mess
[18:57]  * apachelogger wonders what milian did to his system :P
[18:57] <milian> using it, extensively
[18:57] <apachelogger> that is almost as horrible as http://aplg.kollide.net/images/avatar/snapshot130.png
[18:58] <milian> and I tend to remove stuff I don't need
[18:58] <milian> apparently not advised under kubuntu :(
[18:58] <milian> it does something
[18:58] <milian> thanks apachelogger
[18:59] <apachelogger> if things are removable apt will tell you :P
[19:00] <apachelogger> do not try to be smarter than the apt
[19:00] <apachelogger> its api is so complex, if the apt logic is only half as sophisticated as the api is complex it might easily be the mother of skynet
[19:01] <milian> apachelogger: well, apparently I was able to remove that stuff without problems as my system keeps working
[19:01] <milian> just the upgrade failing sucks majorly
[19:01] <milian> anyhow, enough bragging
[19:01] <milian> next time I can just invest the hours in reinstalling
[19:02] <smarter> apt doesn't have an API it has snippets of codes that every frontend copy-paste from another one, hoping it works :p
[19:03] <maco> there's libapt..
[19:03] <apachelogger> ahahahah
[19:03] <apachelogger> rofl
[19:03] <smarter> :D
[19:03] <apachelogger> sure there is
[19:03] <apachelogger> smarter: do not dare destroying maco's fantasy of libapt and santa and whatnot :P
[19:04] <ulysses> Santa exists, the Doctor told >.<
[19:05] <smarter> libapt-pkg might need a Doctor too :p
[19:05] <smarter> or an extermination, can't decide
[19:07] <shadeslayer> ulysses: go read wikileaks ... 
[19:07] <shadeslayer> or 
[19:07] <apachelogger> ulysses: spoilers
[19:08] <shadeslayer> hold on
[19:08]  * apachelogger holds on too smarter
[19:08] <shadeslayer> http://twitter.com/#!/Hexxeh/status/19107265093050368
[19:08] <shadeslayer> ^^
[19:09] <shadeslayer> kaboom ... no santa for you ...
[19:09] <shadeslayer> similarly .... no Mickey for you apachelogger
[19:09] <shadeslayer> Dear apachelogger, Mickey is a insane guy in a costume who uses OS X
[19:10] <apachelogger> hm
[19:10] <shadeslayer> <3 Wikileaks
[19:10] <apachelogger> oh
[19:10] <apachelogger> there is a chance off converting him to Kubuntu2 then
[19:10] <shadeslayer> Kubuntu2?
[19:10] <apachelogger> we are becoming a darwin distribution
[19:10] <apachelogger> !
[19:10] <shadeslayer> whats Kubuntu1? 
[19:10] <apachelogger> because there is no shitty shitty multimedia on darwin
[19:10] <shadeslayer> we had a version bump to 2?
[19:10] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you bun too based kubuntu
[19:10] <smarter> so Kubuntu3 uses the Hurd?
[19:10] <shadeslayer> why wasnt i told about this
[19:11] <shadeslayer> you dont tell me anything :/
[19:11] <apachelogger> kubuntu3 uses my private parts
[19:11] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you are nevar around!
[19:11] <shadeslayer> im around now
[19:11] <shadeslayer> also im around on skype
[19:11] <apachelogger> always doing naughty things with other people
[19:11] <apachelogger> in kde
[19:11] <apachelogger> and qt
[19:11] <apachelogger> and windows
[19:11] <apachelogger> and whatnot
[19:11] <shadeslayer> shhhh thats supposed to be a sekret :P
[19:13] <apachelogger> it is of unknowingness?
[19:13] <shadeslayer> yes
[19:15] <apachelogger> a dusty fairytale
[19:15] <shadeslayer> errr ... more like a ... magical malady
[19:16] <apachelogger> the killers?
[19:16] <apachelogger> you know
[19:16] <apachelogger> with multimedia people you can say anything and they will think of a song
[19:17] <apachelogger> you only think of maladys :P
[19:17] <shadeslayer> hahaha
[19:17] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: go listen to BSB :P
[19:18] <shadeslayer> also something is wrong with CIA 57 .... its not picking up my commits :/
[19:18] <shadeslayer> oh
[19:18] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: plz2add me to CIA-39
[19:18] <apachelogger> that is intentional
[19:18] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: do you do things of interest?
[19:18] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yes
[19:18] <apachelogger> where?
[19:19] <shadeslayer> here there everywhere
[19:19]  * apachelogger just had an awesome idea how to be evil and annoy Riddell
[19:19] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: srsly
[19:19] <apachelogger> obviously it should be of interest to darwin
[19:19] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: they ported android to the N900 ...
[19:19] <apachelogger> eh
[19:19] <apachelogger> kubuntu
[19:19] <apachelogger> or kubuntu2
[19:19] <Quintasan> what?
[19:19] <Quintasan> Android on N900 :D
[19:19] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: yeah 
[19:19] <apachelogger> sick shit
[19:19] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: and you did that?
[19:20] <smarter> shadeslayer: was that a reference to a Beatles song? :p
[19:20] <Riddell> hmm, annoy riddell doesn't sound very awesome
[19:20] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: dude ..  theyre selling the Desire HD for 27k INR here .... the same amount i bought my Desire for :/
[19:20] <apachelogger> awww
[19:20] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: no
[19:20]  * apachelogger snuggles the Riddell
[19:20] <Quintasan> HA HA
[19:20] <Quintasan> I told you to wati.
[19:20] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: then I do not follow
[19:20] <Quintasan> wait*
[19:20] <shadeslayer> smarter: its the BlackStrat Blues ... see last.fm/shadeslayer_
[19:20] <shadeslayer> yes thats a _ there
[19:21] <ulysses> shadeslayer: http://xkcd.com/838/
[19:21] <apachelogger> 27k inr?
[19:21] <shadeslayer> ulysses: whut? i dont follow
[19:21] <apachelogger> that is like 5 euros
[19:21] <apachelogger> omg
[19:21] <smarter> shadeslayer: 404
[19:21] <apachelogger> I could get a car for that amount of money
[19:21] <shadeslayer> ive seen that strip
[19:21] <shadeslayer> ah
[19:21] <shadeslayer> smarter: last.fm/users/shadeslayer_
[19:22] <shadeslayer> aargh
[19:22] <shadeslayer> smarter: http://www.last.fm/user/shadeslayer_ and http://www.blackstratblues.com/
[19:22] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ^^
[19:22] <shadeslayer> Free downloads ;)
[19:22]  * apachelogger closes cia again
[19:22] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: wait .. you were adding me? 
[19:22] <Quintasan> YEAH AND IT IS SLOOOOW AGAIN
[19:23] <Quintasan> DAMN IT
[19:23] <apachelogger> no, I was waiting for you tell me why I should add you
[19:23] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: because im awesum 
[19:23]  * apachelogger is wearing his custom made bathign suite http://www.anthonyshaffer.co.uk/Pics/Screenplays/EvilSun15.JPG
[19:23] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: that does not justify annoying Riddell
[19:23] <apachelogger> he grows ever so sad when we flood the channel
[19:24] <apachelogger> see, he even payed max payne to get rid of kubotu
[19:24] <shadeslayer> lol
[19:24] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i thought he paid jefferai
[19:24] <smarter> kubotu's dead?
[19:24] <shadeslayer> wait no
[19:24] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[19:24] <apachelogger> maybe a jedi
[19:24] <shadeslayer> s/jefferai/jussi
[19:24] <apachelogger> jaaadi as the wookies say
[19:24] <Quintasan> apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/548037 any idea what is this?
[19:25] <apachelogger> Quintasan: a crash
[19:25] <Quintasan> I noticed that, any idea what crashes?
[19:25] <apachelogger> irq 19: nobody cared (try booting with the "irqpoll" option)
[19:25] <smarter> bad CD/DVD?
[19:26] <apachelogger> Quintasan: ata_bmdma it would seem
[19:26] <shadeslayer> onice ... ive never seen a kernel crash
[19:26] <apachelogger> or something relatedly
[19:26] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: that is not a kernel crash
[19:26] <Quintasan> apachelogger: explains poor performance on everything
[19:26] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: then?
[19:26] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: module goes down the drain I presum
[19:26] <shadeslayer> ah
[19:26] <Quintasan> It's a module crash
[19:26]  * apachelogger is not terribly well informed on the kernel stuff either
[19:26] <shadeslayer> crashing modules
[19:26] <shadeslayer> fun
[19:26] <Quintasan> and guys in #ubuntu-kernel are either ignoring me or something
[19:27] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: fun as hell, my system slows down to a crawl each time I boot and do something
[19:27] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: you poke them too often
[19:27] <shadeslayer> :P
[19:27] <Quintasan> I did only once today
[19:27] <shadeslayer> run OS X if you want something that works 
[19:27] <shadeslayer> ^_^
[19:27] <apachelogger> maybe he is doing dirty talk there?
[19:27]  * apachelogger also goes to #kwin for dirty talk
[19:27] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: iDunno
[19:27] <Quintasan> >OS X
[19:28] <Quintasan> >something that works
[19:28] <apachelogger> kubuntu2!
[19:28] <Quintasan> WOLOLOLOLOL
[19:28] <apachelogger> with darwin as base!
[19:28] <apachelogger> we shall prevail!
[19:28] <Quintasan> MAXIMUM TROLLING
[19:28] <apachelogger> eat all them linuxers
[19:28] <ulysses> you guys started the new year's party a bit early
[19:28] <apachelogger> wha?
[19:28] <apachelogger> we are still working on xmas
[19:28] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: kwin devs are awesome, they fix bugs 2 days before people report the bugs
[19:29] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: they are like me
[19:29] <shadeslayer> they know the art of time travelling i tell ya
[19:29] <apachelogger> except I introduce bugs 2 days before people report them
[19:29] <mgraesslin> we fix bugs? /me didn't know that
[19:29] <apachelogger> mgraesslin: is gles buildable yet? :P
[19:29] <shadeslayer> mgraesslin: the one i told you about
[19:29] <shadeslayer> black borders etc
[19:29] <apachelogger> ScottK, Riddell: I am going to eat arm soon
[19:30] <mgraesslin> shadeslayer: it has been reported weeks ago
[19:30]  * apachelogger will just upload some Qt stuff that is supposed to turn on gles
[19:30] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: put some Qt on top of it
[19:30] <apachelogger> no clue if it works proper
[19:30] <shadeslayer> mgraesslin: dude i have 4.5.90 ... its not fixed here
[19:30] <apachelogger> magnet:/wine
[19:30] <apachelogger> does not work!
[19:30] <apachelogger> the kio slave is broken
[19:30] <mgraesslin> apachelogger: yes it is buildable, though it won't work on top of current workspace
[19:30] <apachelogger> hm
[19:31] <smarter> you put magnets in your wine? :p
[19:31] <mgraesslin> shadeslayer: it took some time to fix it, we had it fixed before the rlease but after tagging
[19:31] <apachelogger> I wanted to get more wine with a magnet
[19:31] <apachelogger> did not work
[19:31] <apachelogger> it is the broken
[19:31] <shadeslayer> mgraesslin: ah
[19:32] <Quintasan> screw this, I'm reporting a bug
[19:32] <apachelogger> I am somebody
[19:32] <Quintasan> maybe they will react faster that way
[19:32]  * apachelogger roflhao
[19:32] <shadeslayer> lol ... 
[19:32] <Quintasan> hell yeah
[19:33] <Quintasan> 12 seconds and konsole is still not up
[19:33] <apachelogger> Oo
[19:33] <apachelogger> you should no bring it up that often, at some point it will be exhausted
[19:33] <Quintasan> still not up
[19:33] <apachelogger> dont you know the feeling
[19:33] <shadeslayer> lolwut
[19:33] <apachelogger> cant be up all day
[19:33] <shadeslayer> anyhow
[19:34] <shadeslayer> sudo service shadeslayer_study start
[19:34] <shadeslayer> cya people
[19:34] <Quintasan> shadeslayer_study: service not found
[19:34] <apachelogger> 5 euros (29k inr) that he will be back in less than an hour
[19:35] <shadeslayer> i havent gone het
[19:35] <shadeslayer> *yet
[19:35] <shadeslayer> :P
[19:35] <apachelogger> darn
[19:35] <apachelogger> why does no one ever wanna bet with me
[19:35]  * apachelogger must be the only gambling human here
[19:36] <Quintasan> I have no money
[19:36] <apachelogger> :O
[19:36] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: not eveyrone has done a GSoC :P
[19:36] <shadeslayer> *everyone
[19:37]  * apachelogger now works nights
[19:37] <ulysses> shadeslayer: others just rabbed a bank?:P
[19:37] <apachelogger> one can make much more money
[19:37] <shadeslayer> ulysses: or sold unicorns
[19:38] <ulysses> shadeslayer: or read the http://trollscience.com/ how to make infinite money
[19:39] <apachelogger> there are more important things than money
[19:39] <shadeslayer> nope ... you earn money via 2 ways : 1) GSoC or 2) Sell unicorns
[19:39] <Quintasan> beer?
[19:39] <shadeslayer> no other way
[19:39] <apachelogger> a space ship for example
[19:39]  * apachelogger can go home any time now
[19:39] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: you can buy a space ship with money
[19:39] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you most certainly cannot
[19:39] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: you can build a space ship with money?
[19:39] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: also you can earn money by working at night
[19:40] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you most certainly cannot
[19:40] <ulysses> apachelogger: just call MacGyver
[19:40] <apachelogger> oh
[19:40] <apachelogger> he could
[19:40] <ulysses> he certainly can
[19:40] <apachelogger> but he is not human
[19:40] <apachelogger> my point behing that humans are not able to do it
[19:40] <apachelogger> -h
[19:40] <apachelogger> magnet kio slave is broken
[19:41] <apachelogger> oh oh oh
[19:41] <apachelogger> kde has a pastebin now :O
[19:41] <apachelogger> this is most awesome
[19:41] <shadeslayer> yeah
[19:41] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i just saw it too!
[19:42] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: add it to pastebinit
[19:42] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: EXAMS!!!
[19:42] <shadeslayer> ill make something after 31st
[19:42] <apachelogger> !!!!!!!
[19:42] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: im telling you ... wait 3 more days
[19:42] <shadeslayer> just 3 more days
[19:42] <shadeslayer> i have huge plans
[19:43] <shadeslayer> one of them might be getting revealed tomorrow
[19:43]  * apachelogger is nerdly aroused
[19:43] <apachelogger> *huge* plans are always good
[19:43] <smarter> the best kind of aroused
[19:43] <apachelogger> the bigger the better
[19:43] <apachelogger> Developed by: Sayak Banerjee
[19:44] <shadeslayer> oh sayakb
[19:44] <apachelogger> I mentioned that you people drove him from kubuntu to kde?
[19:44] <mgraesslin> apachelogger: phonon has been declared dead just on 27c3
[19:44] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: lolwut ... he still uses Kubuntu iirc
[19:44] <apachelogger> mgraesslin: 27c3?
[19:44] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: yeah, but he used to be all busy reporting bugs and stuff
[19:44] <shadeslayer> ah
[19:44] <mgraesslin> chaos communication congress
[19:44] <apachelogger> and apachelogger being apachelogger was all evil
[19:45] <shadeslayer> i think yes .... he's become more upstream
[19:45] <shadeslayer> he does kde-www work more now
[19:45] <apachelogger> mgraesslin: do they want me to leak their sexual fantasies?
[19:46] <apachelogger> n one declares my *huge* projects dead
[19:46] <Quintasan> oh god
[19:46] <apachelogger> *no
[19:46] <Quintasan> now
[19:46] <Quintasan> please no
[19:46]  * apachelogger gets his light saber
[19:46]  * mgraesslin is just watching a video stream of a Linux rant
[19:46] <darthlogger> there we go
[19:46] <darthlogger> I shall eat them alive
[19:47] <darthlogger> and then I shall send my army of ponies after them
[19:47] <smarter> your nick just turned dark red from purple in quassel, cool
[19:47] <mgraesslin> http://events.ccc.de/congress/2010/wiki/Documentation <- room 2
[19:47] <darthlogger> and the unicorns on the flanks
[19:48]  * Quintasan takes darthlogger away and hits him with a hammer
[19:48] <darthlogger> llolz
[19:48] <darthlogger> have you filed a bug
[19:48] <darthlogger> hhahaha
[19:48] <darthlogger> rofl
[19:48] <smarter> that reminds me, I'm supposed to write a phonon backend for openal for gluon
[19:48] <darthlogger> :D :D :D
[19:48] <mgraesslin> oh no
[19:49] <darthlogger> two years ago
[19:49] <darthlogger> hahahah
[19:49] <darthlogger> rofl
[19:49]  * darthlogger dies
[19:49] <darthlogger> mgraesslin: you made my day
[19:49] <mgraesslin> you're welcome :-D
[19:49] <darthlogger> mgraesslin: can I marry you?
[19:49] <mgraesslin> no, sorry
[19:49] <darthlogger> too bad
[19:49]  * darthlogger needs to marry the talker
[19:49] <darthlogger> he is awesome
[19:50] <mgraesslin> :-D
[19:50] <darthlogger> PA great work
[19:50] <darthlogger> hahahaha
[19:50] <darthlogger> rofl
[19:50] <darthlogger> not thread save
[19:50] <darthlogger> but great work
[19:50] <darthlogger> \o/
[19:50] <darthlogger> I should be there
[19:51] <darthlogger> though he has a point, if not made very well
[19:52] <shadeslayer> night all 
[19:52] <darthlogger> nini shadeslayer
[19:54] <apachelogger> :D
[19:54] <apachelogger> this is so awesome
[19:54] <mgraesslin> rofl
[19:55] <mgraesslin> omg the developers are taking away Linux from the freaks
[19:56] <apachelogger> this is so awesome
[19:56]  * apachelogger is falling off his chair
[19:56] <apachelogger> horrible
[19:56]  * apachelogger goes denting
[19:59] <_Groo_> hi/2 akk
[19:59] <_Groo_> all
[19:59] <apachelogger> _Groo_: http://events.ccc.de/congress/2010/wiki/Documentation
[19:59] <apachelogger> room2
[19:59] <smarter> who's that guy?
[19:59] <_Groo_> could anyone test phonon from kde 4.6 rc1, through the systemsettings multimedia?
[20:00] <mgraesslin> smarter: an admin from Munich university
[20:00] <_Groo_> apachelogger: whats that? behind the obviou
[20:00] <_Groo_> two things
[20:00] <_Groo_> first
[20:00] <_Groo_> bad apachelogger 
[20:01] <_Groo_> you forgot to update akonadi from natty and it broken 4.6 rc1 for maverick
[20:01] <_Groo_> taken care off
[20:01] <_Groo_> kdemultimedia was MIA
[20:01] <_Groo_> i mean kdenetwork sorry
[20:01] <_Groo_> i did the packages in my machine but i had an ISP issue this weekend and couldnt upload it to ninjas
[20:01] <_Groo_> dont know if it was taken care of now
[20:02] <_Groo_> finally, aparently phonon is broken in maverick. i can use kmix but if i try to play the test sound in systemsettings it doesnt do nothign, can anyone verify this?
[20:02] <_Groo_> im building phonon from git, version is 4.4.4 now and see if this fixes the issues
[20:03] <_Groo_> if it does, it needs to be feed into natty and then maverick via ppa
[20:03] <Quintasan> _Groo_: doesn't work under natty
[20:03] <_Groo_> apachelogger: still there?
[20:03] <Quintasan> no sound is being played
[20:03] <_Groo_> Quintasan: i believe its phonon thats too old, natty uses 4.3.4 also
[20:04] <_Groo_> i mean 4.4.3
[20:04] <_Groo_> damn dislexy
[20:04]  * _Groo_ needs to replace is fingers for neural implants
[20:07] <CIA-39> [muon] jmthomas * 1209652 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/libmuon/MuonMainWindow.cpp Ensure actions are re-enabled after errors.
[20:07] <_Groo_> apachelogger: btw akonadi needs to be updated ONLY if using latest kdepim 4.7, so the place to put it is in experimental ppa, and leave old akonadi for normal kdepim. i think the newest will work but leave it for the safe side
[20:07] <mgraesslin> you need new akonadi for latest kdepimlibs if I know correctly
[20:08] <mgraesslin> pimlibs is part of 4.6
[20:08] <_Groo_> mgraesslin: exactly, like i said... 
[20:08] <_Groo_> mgraesslin: but only kmail2 will complain of old protocol
[20:08] <_Groo_> and that one is in kdepim 4.7 in experimental
[20:09] <mgraesslin> at least current akonadi works with current pimlibs and 4.4 pim
[20:09] <_Groo_> compiling phonon 4.4.4 as we speak, lets see if this fixes the sound problem
[20:09] <mgraesslin> (running it here)
[20:10] <_Groo_> mgraesslin: the issue is only if you update to rc1 (it works till beta2) and also add the experimental ppa with the kdepim 4.7 code
[20:12] <CIA-39> [muon] jmthomas * 1209653 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/ (3 files in 2 dirs) I had been a bit overzealous in my code consolidation efforts. The Muon Manager needs its own UserCancelError handling
[20:13]  * apachelogger needs a break after this
[20:13] <_Groo_> oh great, 4.4.4 changed a few things around, no more Phonon dir in include... no more AudioDevice.... i so love to change .install files ¬¬
[20:13] <apachelogger> _Groo_: Ido not follow
[20:13] <apachelogger> akonadi will not be experimental
[20:14] <_Groo_> apachelogger: akonadi in the beta ppa was 1.4.0
[20:14] <_Groo_> apachelogger: it worked fine till rc1...
[20:15] <_Groo_> apachelogger: devs updated protocol, now we need 1.5.0
[20:15] <_Groo_> apachelogger: to cope witk kmail2/kdepim 4.7.0
[20:15] <apachelogger> you should talk to jr
[20:15] <_Groo_> apachelogger: its already in natty, just wasnt backported to maverick
[20:15]  * apachelogger is only phonon dev
[20:15] <_Groo_> i did talk this weekend, and someone in here fixed the problem with akonadi
[20:16] <_Groo_> apachelogger: also i cant find the xine plugin anywhere in phonon git, was it removed?
[20:16] <apachelogger>  yes
[20:16]  * _Groo_ knows is unmaintained
[20:16]  * mgraesslin is close from falling from the chair
[20:17] <apachelogger> +1
[20:17] <_Groo_> apachelogger: so the gstreamer and vlc are apart now? i redo the packages for them? phono only has the base lib funcionality?
[20:18] <apachelogger> mgraesslin: I wonder whether he will cry afterwards 
[20:18] <_Groo_> i love you guys :P
[20:19] <_Groo_> the problem of being an unoficial minion is that im always the last to know :P
[20:19] <mgraesslin> apachelogger: do you know who the guy is who gives the contra?
[20:19] <ScottK> apachelogger: Any particular reason?
[20:19] <_Groo_> apachelogger: btw is kdenetwork up in the ppa now?
[20:19] <apachelogger> mgraesslin: voice sounds familiar
[20:20] <apachelogger> though I am drunk
[20:20] <apachelogger> all sandsmark fault 
[20:23] <apachelogger> THINGS WILL BREAK!
[20:24] <mgraesslin> it's so awesome
[20:24]  * _Groo_ wants to know if he can get hired, apachelogger is always drunk, groo wants a job just like that :D
[20:24] <apachelogger> AH
[20:24] <apachelogger> LENNART
[20:24] <apachelogger> now I remember
[20:24] <apachelogger> markey: it is the devil :D
[20:25] <_Groo_> apachelogger: where do i get phonon-gstreamer? i only have vlc and mplayer
[20:25] <_Groo_> to do the apckages
[20:25]  * apachelogger hugs mgraesslin, goes for a smoke with a smile on his face
[20:25] <mgraesslin> :-D
[20:25] <apachelogger> _Groo_: git
[20:25] <shadeslayer> mgraesslin: you have a trunk build right? 
[20:25] <_Groo_> apachelogger: i know that...
[20:25] <mgraesslin> shadeslayer: yes
[20:25] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: mgraesslin i present to you  http://people.ubuntu.com/~rohangarg/pastekdeorg.tar.gz'
[20:25] <_Groo_> apachelogger: git.kde.org now?
[20:25] <shadeslayer> wait
[20:25] <shadeslayer> http://people.ubuntu.com/~rohangarg/pastekdeorg.tar.gz
[20:26] <_Groo_> apachelogger: or old gitorius?
[20:26] <shadeslayer> mgraesslin: backend for paste.kde.org 
[20:26] <_Groo_> apachelogger: i only saw the news of vlc/mplayer, didnt see gstreamer added to the pack
[20:26] <shadeslayer> mgraesslin: can you test it for me? :P 
[20:26] <mgraesslin> will do
[20:26] <shadeslayer> i dont have a build env set up
[20:28] <mgraesslin> the cmake does not work
[20:28] <shadeslayer> mgraesslin: it needs to go into the folder with all the other backends
[20:28] <mgraesslin> oh right
[20:28] <_Groo_> FINALLY git.kde works with http
[20:28] <mgraesslin> and where is that?
[20:28]  * _Groo_ pops some bubbles
[20:29] <shadeslayer> mgraesslin: src/kdebase/workspace/plasma/generic/dataengines/share/backends/
[20:31] <apachelogger> well then
[20:31] <apachelogger> my dear friends
[20:31] <apachelogger> I am exhausted
[20:31] <apachelogger> big time
[20:34] <Quintasan> But you have been doing nothing all the day
[20:35] <shadeslayer> mgraesslin: i have to go ... but please compile and post the result :)
[20:35] <shadeslayer> kthxbai
[20:36] <mgraesslin> shadeslayer: I am compiling
[20:37] <apachelogger> Quintasan: I have, I have
[20:37] <apachelogger> just not in kubuntu
[20:37] <apachelogger> well
[20:37] <apachelogger> other than planning our migration to darwin
[20:37] <JontheEchidna> agateau: I have some QString optimizations for colibri that also fix some issues krazy picked up on http://pastebin.com/hBm1aKav
[20:38] <mgraesslin> shadeslayer: does not work
[20:43] <shadeslayer> mgraesslin: compile error?
[20:43] <shadeslayer> or what?
[20:43] <mgraesslin> no I cannot upload to paste
[20:43] <shadeslayer> oh ... any particular error?
[20:43] <mgraesslin> no it doesn't show an error message
[20:44] <mgraesslin> it just fails
[20:44] <shadeslayer> ah so no return URL
[20:46] <apachelogger> shadeslayer is like JontheEchidna, both are creating faulty software :P
[20:47] <shadeslayer> hah :P
[20:47] <mgraesslin> apachelogger: go to https://events.ccc.de/congress/2010/Fahrplan/events/4017.en.html - there's a feedback button
[20:48]  * apachelogger feeds back
[20:48] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: how do you pass parameters to curl? like paste_lang ?
[20:49] <shadeslayer> oh hmm i think i found it
[20:59] <_Groo_> ok i rebuilt phonon 4.4.4, now remaking phonon-gstreamer/mplayer/xine/vlc
[20:59] <_Groo_> who do i talk to to get this uploaded to natty?
[21:01] <apachelogger> no one
[21:01] <apachelogger> there is no phono 4.4.4
[21:01] <apachelogger> and thus it will not get uploaded to natty
[21:01] <_Groo_> commit a982aa460e6b6593c5f4bf6ebde258e375cb1233 Author: Harald Sitter <sitter@kde.org> Date:   Sat Dec 25 18:25:09 2010 +0100      bump version to 4.4.4
[21:02] <_Groo_> merry christmas? :D
[21:02] <_Groo_> the guy was working at 6pm for god sakes XD
[21:02] <_Groo_> i was playing allods :P and getting stuffed
[21:06] <_Groo_> apachelogger: so there is or there is not a 4.4.4?
[21:07] <apachelogger> no
[21:07] <apachelogger> I just bumped the version because it is not 4.4.3 anymore
[21:08] <_Groo_> apachelogger: sooooooooooooooooo if its not 4.4.3??? hum... 2 + , takes one... hm....
[21:08] <_Groo_> apachelogger: what you mean its that isnt stable yet? :)
[21:08] <_Groo_> apachelogger: ence cant be uploaded to natty?
[21:08] <apachelogger> I mean I did not release it 
[21:09] <_Groo_> apachelogger: you gitted it baby, its released XD 
[21:09] <apachelogger> and until I did not realease no shit not at all, there is going to be no upload
[21:09] <_Groo_> apachelogger: ok i understand :)
[21:09] <apachelogger> you have not seen grumpy upstreams if you never had me as upstream
[21:10] <_Groo_> apachelogger: ill wait.. you could just had saved me the copy pasting :D by saying.. ah, its not released yet... instead of saying it doesnt exit...
[21:10] <_Groo_> exist
[21:10] <apachelogger> it does not exist
[21:10] <apachelogger> it exists when there is a tag
[21:10] <apachelogger> and then it is released when I release it
[21:10] <apachelogger> currently there is git master which happens to become 4.4.4 
[21:11] <_Groo_> apachelogger: yah i know :D 
[21:11] <_Groo_> apachelogger: anyway kudos
[21:11] <_Groo_> apachelogger: just recompiled/made packages of 4.4.4 (master), latest gstreamer and vlc... now sound works in systemsettings as intended... even left/right works with pulseaudio
[21:11] <_Groo_> very good work
[21:12] <_Groo_> apachelogger: anyway IF/when if gets released i already made packages and ill be making them on weekly basis to catchup on upstream.. so if you want to use my work, just drop me a mail
[21:12] <apachelogger> _Groo_: you could just upload the packaging somewhere and mail kubuntu-devel
[21:12] <_Groo_> apachelogger: im having some trouble with mplayer backend but thats another story.. and ill do xine too cause i like it
[21:13] <apachelogger> so that it is surely available when the time has come
[21:13] <_Groo_> apachelogger: i trust your memory
[21:13] <apachelogger> which will be soonish for phonon and phonon-gst as both already have important and awesome improvements
[21:13] <apachelogger> _Groo_: yeah, but I might not be around
[21:13] <_Groo_> apachelogger: yeah just noticed that :D
[21:13] <apachelogger> also it is a delay if I have to ask for it :P
[21:13] <_Groo_> apachelogger: you where working at 6pm of day 25... so yeah youll be around XD drunk but around
[21:14] <_Groo_> apachelogger: the asking would be.. groo can you upload the apckages to ninja for testing? 30 min later... done!
[21:14] <_Groo_> replace ninja with whatever pit hole you guys send the pakcages
[21:14] <apachelogger> _Groo_: and if you are not around?
[21:14] <apachelogger> like sleeping? :P
[21:14] <_Groo_> apachelogger: then someone more capable will do them :)
[21:15] <apachelogger> trust me, I have done this madness long enough
[21:15] <apachelogger> to prevent work from being lost, upload and inform as many people as possible
[21:15] <_Groo_> apachelogger: im sure you did...
[21:15] <_Groo_> apachelogger:  ok ill upload to my ppa, and ill have to register for kubuntu-dev...
[21:15] <_Groo_> ill do it this week
[21:15] <_Groo_> im ultra lazy
[21:15] <_Groo_> and late to get home too :P
[21:19] <_Groo_> apachelogger: can you tell me why latest vlc doesnt show video anymore in dragon? only sound?
[21:21] <apachelogger> hm
[21:21] <apachelogger> maybe because eean broke it
[21:21] <apachelogger> _Groo_: on 4.6?
[21:21] <_Groo_> apachelogger: yeah
[21:21] <apachelogger> yeah, that would be eeans fault
[21:21] <_Groo_> apachelogger: lol ok :D
[21:21] <apachelogger> he introduces some half baked audio visual support shit
[21:21] <apachelogger> and that breaks all sorts of stuff
[21:21] <_Groo_> apachelogger: exactly
[21:22] <apachelogger> with phonongst you get an analyzer before the video
[21:22] <apachelogger> and crappy sound (because of the analyzer)...
[21:22] <_Groo_> apachelogger: it shows the equalizer instead of the video
[21:22] <apachelogger> if you want, go to #kde-devel and annoy him
[21:22] <apachelogger> _Groo_: it should show the video after some time
[21:22] <_Groo_> apachelogger: gst works fine, only vlc is showing the equializer
[21:22] <apachelogger> vlc is very hacky WRT to vieo detection
[21:23] <apachelogger> (as in 25 frames into the video or so the backend will ask vlc whether the file has video)
[21:23] <_Groo_> apachelogger: and since i still have pulse from maverick it still crashses at the end...
[21:23] <apachelogger> well
[21:23] <_Groo_> apachelogger: nice programing :D
[21:23] <apachelogger> coling handed me a wrong patch
[21:23] <apachelogger> go complain to lennart
[21:23] <apachelogger> he will rip you apart
[21:23] <apachelogger> I swear
[21:23] <apachelogger> we just watched him do it
[21:23] <apachelogger> it was uberfun
[21:23] <_Groo_> apachelogger: complain about what exactly?
[21:24] <_Groo_> apachelogger: he cant rip me appart im bery squishy
[21:24] <apachelogger> that PA is crap and not threadsafe
[21:24] <apachelogger> because he does not read xlib documentaton
[21:24] <apachelogger> even though PA is using xlib
[21:25] <_Groo_> apachelogger: lol.. well i can argue on that technical lvl, i dont work with that technology.. so i just keep my mouth shut
[21:25] <_Groo_> apachelogger: thats for you audio gods to querrel about
[21:26] <_Groo_> apachelogger: ehehehe Assertion 'pa_close(fds[0]) == 0' failed at pulsecore/core-util.c:2215, function pa_close_pipe(). Aborting.
[21:26] <apachelogger> _Groo_: you need to get sandsmark's parents nice fiber connection
[21:26] <_Groo_> apachelogger: maybe sandsmark allow me to move over?
[21:26] <apachelogger> then he can fix vlc and dragon and stuff
[21:26] <apachelogger> also I would like not to be drunk
[21:26] <_Groo_> apachelogger: ill be very quiet
[21:26] <apachelogger> cause Ive got important code to write
[21:26] <apachelogger> _Groo_: #phonon
[21:26] <apachelogger> you will have to talk to him
[21:27] <_Groo_> apachelogger: experience tells me the best code was written when converting beer/coffee into code
[21:27] <apachelogger> not as much as I had
[21:27] <_Groo_> apachelogger: you said someone handded you the wrong patch? would that patch be the patch to fix maverick + vlc backend?
[21:27] <apachelogger> YES
[21:27] <apachelogger> yes
[21:28] <apachelogger> in fact it was a patch that we already incorporated
[21:28] <_Groo_> apachelogger: do you have the proper patch now?
[21:28] <apachelogger> which makes me wonder how you applied the patch
[21:28] <_Groo_> apachelogger: yeah the one i told you it was in .2.2?
[21:28] <_Groo_> apachelogger: and i told you it didnt work since it was already there?
[21:28] <apachelogger> dunno
[21:28] <apachelogger> last I checked it wsa not in master
[21:28] <apachelogger> but someline
[21:28] <apachelogger> forgot what line it was
[21:28] <apachelogger> lennart has funny names for the branches
[21:29] <_Groo_> apachelogger: and then you told me.. who do i trust, a unoficial minion or the ubber gods? ¬¬
[21:29] <apachelogger> the uber gods were right
[21:29] <apachelogger> just the wrong patch
[21:29] <apachelogger> also you probably did not package someline, did you?
[21:29] <_Groo_> i was right!!! the patch didnt fix the problem!!! AHHHHHHHHHHH
[21:29] <apachelogger> because IIRC that stuff is still not inmaster
[21:29] <apachelogger> but someline
[21:29] <apachelogger> _Groo_: you can live in teh basement
[21:29] <apachelogger> not heated though he says
[21:30] <_Groo_> does it have sunlight? i dont like sunlight...
[21:30] <apachelogger> and he lives north, actually he is neighbor of santa
[21:30] <_Groo_> i like cold :)
[21:30] <apachelogger> so you might want to get some heating 
[21:30] <_Groo_> ill kill mouses and burn their skin for heating
[21:31] <_Groo_> maybe some baby seals, if i can find them
[21:31] <_Groo_> they are easy to kill
 sure, it's just like -25°C here
[21:31] <_Groo_> apachelogger: AH! easy!
[21:32] <_Groo_> apachelogger: its 40+ here in brasil :P
[21:32] <_Groo_> minus 25... babies...
[21:32] <_Groo_> aaanyway... ill seeya all tomorrow.. need to get home, kill some monkeys and eat their brains..
[21:32] <_Groo_> today is monkey brain day :)
[21:33] <apachelogger> them brazilians
[21:33] <apachelogger> horrible
[21:33] <_Groo_> apachelogger: im portuguese
[21:33] <apachelogger> eating poor monkeys
[21:33] <_Groo_> apachelogger: but when in rome...
[21:33] <apachelogger> and babies
[21:33] <_Groo_> portuguse are known to addapt to every country they go
[21:34] <apachelogger> _Groo_: well, I am irish, but I am in austria so I am austrian
[21:34] <_Groo_> apachelogger: ah austrian... howdy m8! auehauehauehuaheuaheuhehue ;)
[21:34] <apachelogger> that is chesseland
[21:34] <apachelogger> not mozartland
[21:34] <apachelogger> you are mixxing up the sterotypes here
[21:34] <_Groo_> apachelogger: this joke never gets old XD
[21:35] <_Groo_> apachelogger: irish hu? know i know why you are always drunk!
[21:35] <apachelogger> aye
[21:35] <_Groo_> apachelogger: well seeya all tomorrow :D
[21:36] <_Groo_> heeeere monkey monkey monkey.. come to papa
[21:36] <_Groo_> CLUNK!
[21:36] <_Groo_> one down, 4 more to go
[21:36] <_Groo_> need at least 5... for a good nice stew
[21:36] <apachelogger> omg
[21:36] <apachelogger> omg omg
[21:36] <_Groo_> the little ones are hard to hit ¬¬
[21:37] <apachelogger> well
[21:37] <apachelogger> they are little
[21:37] <_Groo_> just apetizers... good with toasts or cookies...
[21:38] <_Groo_> make good cigar holders too
[21:38] <_Groo_> car key holders...
[21:38] <_Groo_> nothing like a gold head monkey with a car key attached
[21:38] <_Groo_> pen drives... dont make me start
[21:38] <_Groo_> a pen drive with a gold monkey head attached... super pop!
[21:39] <_Groo_> this made me hungry... need to go home...
[21:39] <_Groo_> braaaaaaaaaaaaaaaains
[21:39] <_Groo_> seeya :D
[21:46] <cpatrick2008> i just wanted to say the 4.6 beta1 looks better than 4.5 and the other previous pre 4..6 releases keep up the good work