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MartijnVdSmorning everyone07:00
exobuzzmorning07:08
Pendulumoh dear. I suppose this is a sign I should go to bed07:10
MartijnVdSPendulum: what? other people waking up? :)07:16
PendulumMartijnVdS: yeah. I've not slept yet07:17
MartijnVdSPendulum: insomnia? or just partying? ;)07:17
PendulumMartijnVdS: some insomnia some enjoying the snowstorm we have here07:17
MartijnVdSit's going to be >0 here today \o/07:18
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popeymng08:50
MartijnVdSapng08:50
popeyhows your xmas MartijnVdS ?08:53
MartijnVdSpopey: nice & quiet :)08:53
popey:)08:53
MartijnVdStwo weeks off from work now \o/08:53
popeynice :)09:00
popeyi go back on wednesday although working from home09:00
nigelbMorning people09:24
nigelbpopey: aw, your snowman fell down :(09:25
popeynigelb: nah, he's okay09:26
popeyjust leaning a bit09:26
nigelboh, that's leaning :D09:26
popey:)09:27
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gregor3000hello. i need soem help here. i can't install Scribus from the software center. it just says that the action would require packages form unauthenticated sources, gives the list and OK button. when i press ok it just dissapears and instalation stops.09:30
popeygregor3000: what happens if (in a terminal) you type "sudo apt-get install scribus" ?09:33
gregor3000asks if i want to continu install despite unathanticated packages. i continued and it's installing now. however i should point out there that could also not install using PPA.09:35
gregor3000it installed now (seems succesfully). we'lll se how it works out later on. is this Ubuntu or Scribus issue?09:37
popeydo you still have the terminal open?09:38
popeyI was hoping to see the output from the command09:38
gregor3000yes. i think i now need to somehow remove the PPA09:39
popeyyou can do that in software sources09:39
gregor3000ugh i must have closed it accidentally.09:39
gregor3000wait i will unistall and reinstall again.09:40
popeyits almost certainly because you haven't installed the key for the ppa09:40
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gregor3000command line install shows this: http://pastebin.com/GzDfVREx09:44
gregor3000the "extra packages" blocked the install in software center09:45
gregor3000ok now i need to work on this scribus thing. i will post back if i encounter any problems. :-) thank you for the help.09:47
gregor3000bye09:47
daubersMorning10:29
kaushalhi11:01
kaushalI have configured openvpn in daemon mode11:01
kaushalI always need to restart openvpn manually11:02
kaushalI have two openvpn configs. I always need to restart openvpn manually11:03
kaushalI get script failed: external program exited with error status: 111:04
kaushalPlease suggest11:04
kaushalPlease let me know if any more information needs to be shared11:05
Phineashi all11:28
* Phineas has a feeling this channel is dead11:29
* nigelb pokes Phineas in the eye.11:29
* Phineas prods nigelb with a stick11:29
Phineasok mabe this channel is not so dead11:30
nigelbheh11:30
nigelbA new life11:30
* Phineas starts listing to B-U-S-T-E-D11:32
Phineasyeah a new life11:33
Phineasnigelb,  a new life has been born11:36
nigelbheh11:38
Phineasnigelb,  do you have any pets?11:38
nigelbPhineas: yep11:42
nigelba dog and a few chicken :)11:42
Phineasnigelb,  what do you have?11:42
Phineasnigelb,  what are they called?11:42
nigelbChicken -> no names or else I'll be too emotionally attached when they turn into dinner ;)11:43
nigelbdog -> Mickey11:43
Phineasnigelb,  what type of dog is it?11:44
nigelba dachshund11:44
Phineasahh cute11:45
balorczajkowski: Get off the line and go to the pub12:00
kaushalchecking in again for the query ?12:06
nigelbkaushal: have you tried askubuntu.com?12:06
kaushalnigelb: Thanks12:13
kaushalso i need to always look at http://askubuntu.com/questions/18988/openvpn-on-ubuntu-10-1012:13
kaushal?12:13
nigelbkaushal: yep12:17
kaushalnigelb: Thanks12:34
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mahiwalui13:04
_Hanyone know if you can use bbm via ubuntu?13:15
* Mez is utterly bored.13:33
Pendulumhiya13:39
Mezhey Pendulum13:49
skybinaryhiyaz :) do i have to reboot after i put the af9005.fw in /lib/firmware? or is there cli i can use14:42
skybinary?14:42
mosdef470hello all need some help with wubi was wondering if anyone could help me?14:47
mosdef470anyon use wubi?14:48
Phineasbye all14:48
mosdef470anybody use wubi?14:51
dutchiemosdef470: asking the same question 3 times in 5 minutes isn't going to make it more likely that someone answers it14:52
mosdef470oh14:52
dutchiewhat might help is being more specific about what your problem is14:53
mosdef470true14:53
mosdef470ok14:53
mosdef470well14:53
mosdef470i recently installed wubi evereything was fine14:53
mosdef470loaded several times fine14:53
mosdef470until one day at the windows ubuntu boot prompt14:53
mosdef470i went to load ubuntu14:54
mosdef470the screen flickered and returned to the windows ubuntu promt14:54
mosdef470again and again14:54
mosdef470so i uninstalled wubi in windows kept the root disk14:54
mosdef470and reinstalled wubi14:54
mosdef470and put back the original root disk in its place14:55
mosdef470rebooted and ubuntu would load again14:55
mosdef470fine14:55
mosdef470until a few days later the whol;e thing happened again14:55
mosdef470and i would have to reinstal wubi and place back the root disk14:55
mosdef470this is quit time consuming14:55
mosdef470and was wondering if anybody knew or had the same problem?14:56
KrimZoni haven't used wubi since 2008, when i converted it to having its own partition14:57
mosdef470i tried to instal ubuntu the other day on my windows parttion but it said it wanted to use the whole hard disk and there was no option or slider to resize the ubuntu instal14:58
dutchieas far as i know, there is no easy way to migrate from a wubi install to a traditional one on its own partition14:59
KrimZonyeah, it was kind of fiddly15:00
KrimZonvista had something that let me resize partitions though15:00
mosdef470do you think wubi is unstable?15:00
GreenDanceHi15:17
GreenDancecan "unmount" a dvd drive be disabled?15:18
brobostigonafternoonings all.15:18
GreenDanceafternoon brobostigon15:21
brobostigonafternoon GreenDance15:21
daubersHmmm... need table space, but table is full of stuff acquired over christmas15:26
dutchiein an entirely new move, my table is covered in work15:28
dauberswork? What is this foreign concept?15:31
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dutchiei know!15:34
dutchieit's mental15:34
MartijnVdSSomeone made you do it?15:37
GreenDancecan "unmount" a dvd drive be removed from the right click menu on the desktop when a disk is inside the cd/dvd drive?15:40
dutchieGreenDance: sounds like a papercut15:42
dutchie!papercut15:42
dutchiehmm, the bot needs teaching about papercuts15:42
GreenDancedutchie, how do i sound like a papercut?15:43
dutchie!papercut is <reply>A papercut is a trivially fixable usability bug in a central Ubuntu component. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PaperCut for more info15:43
dutchieGreenDance: read that wiki page15:43
GreenDancedutchie, i understand what you mean now, the issue sounds like a papercut, sorry i thought you were calling me a papercut, that's why i was confused.15:46
GreenDancedutchie, the reason i brought it up was because i've had to resolve 5 ubuntu's because the end user thought unmount was eject the cd/dvd drive.15:48
dutchieGreenDance: ah, sorry15:48
dutchielo bittin15:48
dutchieer15:48
dutchiebigcalm[mob]:15:48
bigcalm[mob]Hi peeps15:48
GreenDancehi bigcalm[mob]15:49
dutchiestill in worcester?15:49
bigcalm[mob]Hi dutchie15:49
bigcalm[mob]dutchie: until tomorrow. GF has work on Wednesday and Thursday15:50
bigcalm[mob]dutchie: then back again for Friday to Sunday.15:51
bigcalm[mob]So much driving to do15:51
bigcalm[mob]Are to going to Worcester at all?15:52
GreenDancedutchie, unmount was disabling the dvd drives so I had to remount them all, that's why I was asking if there way a way to remove that unmount from the menu, but guess it is a papercut.15:52
dutchieGreenDance: i am not aware of a way to remove it now, but filing a bug will flag it for the devs to make it possible15:52
dutchiebigcalm[mob]: i am wandering in to look around the sales in a bit15:52
bigcalm[mob]It's damn busy15:53
dutchiei'm sure15:53
GreenDancedutchie, ill file a bug right away.15:53
dutchieGreenDance: excellent :)15:53
bigcalm[mob]We're relaxing with a cuppa tea back at my parents' now15:53
dutchieand you're being all antisocial on irc :)15:54
bigcalm[mob]Parents are out somewhere. GF is reading a girly magazine. Might get a laptop out in a bit15:55
bittinHello dutchie16:02
DJonesAfternoon all16:06
GreenDanceHi16:08
* brobostigon has a pint of leffe16:36
danfish_afternoon to all16:41
brobostigonafternoonings danfish_ :)16:42
danfish_o/ brobostigon16:42
danfish_my nick's all screwy16:43
brobostigono/16:43
brobostigon:(16:43
danfish_drinking sharp's doom bar today16:43
danfish_rather pleasant16:43
brobostigonnot tried.16:43
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brobostigonmyself.16:44
danfishthat's better :)16:44
brobostigon:)16:44
danfishwhat pressies did anyone get this year?16:44
brobostigonshirts, jumpers, socks. pink floyd concert dvd. dsotm mug. ELO vinyl.16:46
brobostigondr who dvd's16:46
MartijnVdSI got http://www.amazon.co.uk/How-Jennifer-McKnight-Trontz/dp/0811840859/16:46
MartijnVdSbrobostigon: ELO vinyl? Which one? :)16:46
MartijnVdSbrobostigon: I have Out of the Blue here16:47
danfishbrobostigon: good stuff16:47
danfishanyone get any interesting gadgets?16:47
MartijnVdSoh and I also got one of those alarm clocks with a big light16:47
brobostigonMartijnVdS: electric light orchestra - discovery.16:47
brobostigondanfish: :)16:47
* MartijnVdS is making a vinyl wishlist (now that I have a record player...)16:48
brobostigonMartijnVdS: one record i do want, pink floyd - piper atthe gates of dawn.16:49
* GreenDance files his first papercut bug report :D.16:49
GreenDanceit feels great filing a bug report :D16:49
* GreenDance pats himself on the back :)16:50
brobostigonGreenDance: :)16:50
danfishGreenDance: a link?16:50
MartijnVdSbrobostigon: Apparently my dad is/was into symphonic a LOT :)16:51
brobostigonMartijnVdS: iwouldnt call elo symphonic, i would call it rock.16:52
MartijnVdSbrobostigon: I have http://www.discogs.com/Alela-Diane-featuring-Alina-Hardin-Alela-Alina/release/1993175 (89/1000)16:52
MartijnVdSbrobostigon: well, ELO is the rockiest he has :)16:52
brobostigonMartijnVdS: i see.16:52
MartijnVdSbrobostigon: the rest sounds like you need to use more psychedelic drugs :)16:52
MartijnVdS(child of the early 50s ;))16:52
brobostigonMartijnVdS: i have a few cd's like that, like piper at the gates of dawn - pink floyd,16:53
GreenDancedanfish: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-panel/+bug/69477616:53
lubotu3Ubuntu bug 694776 in gnome-panel (Ubuntu) "On desktop, rightclick on DVD icon, clicking unmount, disables the DVD Drive" [Undecided,Opinion]16:53
brobostigonMartijnVdS: and ziggy stardust.16:53
MartijnVdSbrobostigon: I have Ziggy on CD16:54
brobostigonMartijnVdS: :)16:54
* MartijnVdS has too much music :P16:54
brobostigonMartijnVdS: alady friend of mine, always gives me good vinyl for presents for me. :)16:55
MartijnVdSbrobostigon: I need to find someone like that ;)16:56
brobostigonMartijnVdS: my oldest is a "the who" elbum from the late sixties.16:56
danfishGreenDance: it's a bit confusing with the umount/safely remove drive etc section in nautilus - needs simplifying IMO16:58
MartijnVdSbrobostigon: My dad's oldest is from the early 70s (Byrds I think)16:58
brobostigonMartijnVdS: the one i want of my dads though, is thick as a brick - jethro tull.16:59
GreenDancedanfish: sorry, i'm new to bug reporting.17:00
MartijnVdSbrobostigon: My record player has an USB port, and works with Linux17:00
brobostigonMartijnVdS: same here, :)17:01
MartijnVdSbrobostigon: which one do you have?17:01
brobostigonMartijnVdS: one from maplins, i cant remember the model.17:01
MartijnVdSI have a Sony17:01
danfishGreenDance: it's a bit confusing with the umount/safely remove drive etc section in nautilus - needs simplifying IMO :)17:02
danfishGreenDance: oops - meant to say, good bug report IMO :)17:02
GreenDancedanfish: thank you :)17:02
brobostigonMartijnVdS: sounds good. :)17:03
MartijnVdSbrobostigon: but I'm surprised how much maintenance records need (being used to CDs/DVDs/etc.)17:03
brobostigonMartijnVdS: they do need some looking after, yes.17:03
MartijnVdSbrobostigon: http://www.guardian.co.uk/money/audioslideshow/2010/jun/29/work-and-careers-heritage17:04
brobostigonMartijnVdS: that is good to hear,17:05
MartijnVdSbrobostigon: that's how they're made ;)17:27
brobostigonMartijnVdS: iwill be watching when i have some quiet,17:27
brobostigon:)17:28
* dutchie wonders why Free Software types don't get upset when websites say "You will need Adobe Acrobat to view this PDF"18:02
dutchieor the Competition Commission, for that matter18:03
mgdmSsssh, don't give them something else to whine about18:03
mgdm;)18:03
dutchieheh18:03
MartijnVdSdutchie: they do get upset, on the inside18:05
MartijnVdSdutchie: after enough sites like that, they explode in a red mist18:06
czajkowskibalor: my liver can't handle it after last night18:06
dutchieMartijnVdS: that is a reason to keep them going then18:08
nperryecho "Hello World" | wall18:12
ali1234huh... wall is suid on ubuntu?18:16
ali1234that's a new one18:16
mgdmI thought it'd need to be18:17
ali1234it only needs to be if you want to allow all users to spam each other's consoles :)18:17
mgdmI thought that was more or less the point of the command18:17
ali1234not really18:18
ali1234that's like saying you need rm to be suid so you can delete other user's files18:18
mgdmNot really18:18
mgdmI thought the wall command was to send messages to other users18:18
ali1234*all* other users, yes18:18
ali1234write all - it writes to every tty18:19
mgdmI am aware of that18:19
ali1234anyway i can't really think of a good reason why you would want regular users to be able to wall18:21
mgdmchmod isn't hard to use18:22
ali1234it is when some joker has run "while true; do head -n 1000 /dev/urandom | wall; done"18:23
mgdmcan't say that's been a regular occurrence on any machine I've used, maybe you just have bad users ;)18:24
ali1234they probably just haven;t noticed that wall is suid - it never was on any other distro i have used18:24
bduncanali1234: wall is not suid, it's sgid, the same as write. users terminals are group-owned by tty and mesg changes whether or not your terminal is writable by group.18:24
ali1234mesg n doesn't block wall18:25
bduncanali1234: i haven't tested it, but the man page says "Only the super-user can write on the terminals of users who have chosen to deny messages"18:27
ali1234well, that's false18:27
ali1234it might block write but not wall18:28
bduncanof course, you will always be able to wall to yourself, so that's not a very good test18:28
ali1234mesg n blocks write18:28
bduncanmesg n also blocks wall (from other non-root users)18:29
bduncanthat's how my box is behaving right now, anyway18:30
jussidutchie: I made the papercut factoid, it should filter down to the other bots in an hour or so18:30
ali1234hmm so it does18:30
dutchiejussi: excellent, thanks18:31
bduncanomg i think that's the first correct thing i've said on irc all day. it must be christmas18:31
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ipopeyEvening20:16
daubersevening20:17
dutchieevening daubers and ipopey20:17
* daubers has been and bought warhammer stuffs20:18
daubersI built this http://dl.dropbox.com/u/912336/DSCN3255.JPG20:19
dutchiei have bought 11 cds since christmas20:21
daubersBlimey20:21
daubersblank ones?20:21
jacobwquick20:21
daubersI call it 70 minutes of unimprinted dye20:22
daubersHmm... no emmy phonecall20:27
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Linuxsapienim in gnome just now, but there seems to be alot of "kdeinit" processes going on that I dont want there, how do I stop these from running?20:53
MartijnVdSLinuxsapien: don't start KDE apps20:53
Linuxsapienhow do I stop them20:53
MartijnVdSLinuxsapien:  File -> quit?20:53
Linuxsapien20:53
Linuxsapienheh20:53
MartijnVdSkdeinit starts automatically if you start any KDE application20:53
MartijnVdSand it should stop automatically if all KDE programs have exited20:54
Linuxsapienhmmm.. what I mean is there seems to be stuff starting on boot.. where would these be starting from ?20:54
MartijnVdSjust uninstall it then20:55
MartijnVdSit's in kdelibs-bin20:55
daftykinsi sense angry help.20:57
Linuxsapienok I did kdelibs search in synaptic, there is alot of to be removed, I dont need these, so its ok to go ahead?20:57
Linuxsapiensince I do not use(like) KDE20:57
daftykinssure you don't run any KDE apps?20:58
Linuxsapienthe desktop is clear of them, but in processlist there is alot of kdeinit.. thats why I thoguht something was starting on boot20:59
Linuxsapieni use htop to highlight20:59
MartijnVdSso kill them20:59
MartijnVdSpkill kdeinit20:59
Linuxsapiendoesnt help, tried21:00
Linuxsapienill show you21:00
Linuxsapienhttp://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-271210-210109.php21:01
MartijnVdSI don't see kdeinit in that screen21:03
MartijnVdSoh wait21:03
MartijnVdSscroll :)21:03
Linuxsapien:)21:03
MartijnVdSLinuxsapien: so what happens when you do "pkill kdeinit"?21:03
LinuxsapienMartijnVdS nothing21:03
MartijnVdSLinuxsapien: what happens when you de-install it first (kdelibs-bin package)?21:03
MartijnVdSLinuxsapien: then it shouldn't be able to come back after being killed21:04
Linuxsapienill just deinstall and see :) brb21:04
MartijnVdSif it does come back, we have a case of "interesting..." :)21:04
Linuxsapienhaha yes it is21:04
Linuxsapienis the core called something else these days for kde ?21:07
MartijnVdSno21:07
Linuxsapienk21:07
MartijnVdSbut if you install a kde app, like kaffeine or amarok it might get pulled in21:07
Linuxsapienye I saw on the list of kde stuff that is here, but I use none of those.. we shall see how it goes21:10
Linuxsapienrelogin time21:13
Linuxsapienaaand all is quiet :D21:16
MartijnVdS*\o/*21:16
Linuxsapienhahah pompoms21:16
Linuxsapienmust be some kick ass bug in plasma suckin out CPU cycles21:17
_Hhttps://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=2&ik=cf985d9228&view=att&th=12d291d906fa187d&attid=0.1&disp=inline&zw21:28
_Hoh you can't view that image can you?21:28
_HI was going to ask about the server in the picture21:29
MartijnVdS_H: you'll have to download it and put it on picasa/min.us/imagebin21:30
Feels_GoodmanHey guys - I'm running Sound Juicer on Ubuntu 10.04 - trying to rip the tracks as mp3 - I can see the option in "Edit > Preferences > Edit Profiles" but in the "Edit > Preferences > Format > Output Format" it won't let me choose mp3 as an option - anyone have a clue why? Cheers21:59
dutchieFeels_Goodman: have you installed the relevant codecs to be able to read/write mp3s?21:59
Feels_GoodmanI think so - at least I can save stuff as mp3 in Audacity etc21:59
Silver_Fox_Hello22:02
Feels_Goodmandutchie: I have libmp3lame022:03
brobostigon!mp322:03
lubotu3For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/musicvideophotos/C/video.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats22:03
dutchieFeels_Goodman: i'm fairly sure that sound juicer uses gstreamer22:05
Feels_GoodmanI have gstreamer extra plug-ins "codecs to play mp3, sid...etc"22:06
dutchiehmm, dunno then22:08
brobostigon!info ubuntu-restricted-extras22:08
dutchiesorry22:08
lubotu3ubuntu-restricted-extras (source: ubuntu-restricted-extras): Commonly used restricted packages for Ubuntu. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 42 (maverick), package size 5 kB, installed size 36 kB22:08
brobostigoni think you need that package,22:08
Feels_GoodmanAh right22:09
bigcalmWho is Josh Holland?22:09
brobostigonFeels_Goodman: http://packages.ubuntu.com/maverick/ubuntu-restricted-extras22:10
Feels_Goodmanbrobostigon: installing now!22:10
Feels_GoodmanWill let you know22:10
* bigcalm kippers dutchie22:10
brobostigonFeels_Goodman: its says on that package page, it allows for restricted codecs, which mp3 is. so i suspect that metapackage will do it.22:11
Feels_GoodmanThat seems to have done the trick, cheers brobostigon and dutchie for your help22:11
brobostigonFeels_Goodman: you're welcome, :)22:11
brobostigonFeels_Goodman: help.ubuntu.com/community  i have it permenently bookmarked, alot of solutions to alot of problems there.22:12
Feels_GoodmanNormally I can find stuff pretty quickly, but if my google-fu skills are lacking I'll usually pop into IRC22:13
Feels_Goodmanbut cheers, I'll add that to faves now22:13
brobostigon:)22:13
brobostigonnos da, sleep well.23:11
_H Dell PowerEdge 1850 1u 1x Intel Pentium 4 Xeon. Fsb800  http://bayimg.com/GABnBaADP  £20 is that a good deal?23:17
penguin42for £20 - yeh23:18
penguin42_H: Pentium 4 Xeon is quite a range though, but at £20 what the heck; although if it's got no discs or RAM it's going to cost you to get it going23:20
_Hhas ram23:20
_Hno hdd23:20
penguin42I suspect it needs SCA SCSI drives23:21
_Him using as a proxy server23:21
_Hhttp://edinburgh.gumtree.com/edinburgh/83/70893583.html23:24
penguin42it doesn't say which of the ones in the stack it is, but I suspect it's one of the top 323:26
Azelphurrooted my G2 :D23:26
penguin42_H: Unless you've actually got a rack to put it in, the rackness of it doesn't help you - so you may as well find an old P4 someone is throwing away23:27
_Hhe said the whole system23:27
_HI am hoping to get the whole thing23:27
_Hie all those blades23:27
penguin42there's what - 5 machines there?23:28
penguin42oops, 623:29
_Hyeah23:29
_Hall working23:29
penguin42for £20, go get it - although that's an unusually low figure23:30
penguin42I'd expect you could ebay each of those for at least £50 maybe £100 or more23:30
_Hhe needs shot of it as he has an account at uni23:30
_Hhe now offering 23 quid for the whole machine with a 32gb hdd23:32
_Hall my chistmases  have come at once23:32
penguin42_H: Sounds good, erm if he's expecting you to pay for postage you might want to worry - that's probably 60-80kg23:33
_HI am collecting by hand23:33
_H:)23:34
penguin42you might want to ask if he has the rack kits in case you ever need to rack them23:34
_Hsorry I feel that even though I am paying for it I should say something like  "I'm stealing it tommorrow at 3pm"23:34
_Hpenguin42: rack kits?23:35
penguin42_H: Yeh, for rack mounted machines they normally have a bit that bolts to the racks, and those are often sold separately from the machines23:35
_Hthey expensive?23:35
penguin42depends if you get a Dell guy on a good day; maybe £20 or more/machine and they're different from each one23:36
_HI don't have anything to mount them with23:38
penguin42they'll go on a shelf ok23:38
penguin42_H: Although, http://lifehacker.com/5459719/build-a-network-rack-with-an-ikea-table might help - not sure it's upto that much weight though23:39
_HI don't know how to bbut I hope to sort it so I can have my own hosting of a domain dns only [I want to have my dns not my ip]23:39
_Hhttp://www.ikea.com/gb/en/catalog/products/2001140823:40
penguin42hehe, it's turned into lackrack.org23:42
AlanBell_H: rackmount servers can be very noisy23:43
penguin42*very*23:44
_HI have a large flat23:49
penguin42_H: Buy them for £20, ebay them for £50-100 each, and then buy something small, quiet and more powerful23:50
_HI need a new pc23:50
_Hthis cpu is borked23:50
_Hebaying them is a good idea23:53

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