[07:00] <MartijnVdS> morning everyone
[07:08] <exobuzz> morning
[07:10] <Pendulum> oh dear. I suppose this is a sign I should go to bed
[07:16] <MartijnVdS> Pendulum: what? other people waking up? :)
[07:17] <Pendulum> MartijnVdS: yeah. I've not slept yet
[07:17] <MartijnVdS> Pendulum: insomnia? or just partying? ;)
[07:17] <Pendulum> MartijnVdS: some insomnia some enjoying the snowstorm we have here
[07:18] <MartijnVdS> it's going to be >0 here today \o/
[08:50] <popey> mng
[08:50] <MartijnVdS> apng
[08:53] <popey> hows your xmas MartijnVdS ?
[08:53] <MartijnVdS> popey: nice & quiet :)
[08:53] <popey> :)
[08:53] <MartijnVdS> two weeks off from work now \o/
[09:00] <popey> nice :)
[09:00] <popey> i go back on wednesday although working from home
[09:24] <nigelb> Morning people
[09:25] <nigelb> popey: aw, your snowman fell down :(
[09:26] <popey> nigelb: nah, he's okay
[09:26] <popey> just leaning a bit
[09:26] <nigelb> oh, that's leaning :D
[09:27] <popey> :)
[09:30] <gregor3000> hello. i need soem help here. i can't install Scribus from the software center. it just says that the action would require packages form unauthenticated sources, gives the list and OK button. when i press ok it just dissapears and instalation stops.
[09:33] <popey> gregor3000: what happens if (in a terminal) you type "sudo apt-get install scribus" ?
[09:35] <gregor3000> asks if i want to continu install despite unathanticated packages. i continued and it's installing now. however i should point out there that could also not install using PPA.
[09:37] <gregor3000> it installed now (seems succesfully). we'lll se how it works out later on. is this Ubuntu or Scribus issue?
[09:38] <popey> do you still have the terminal open?
[09:38] <popey> I was hoping to see the output from the command
[09:39] <gregor3000> yes. i think i now need to somehow remove the PPA
[09:39] <popey> you can do that in software sources
[09:39] <gregor3000> ugh i must have closed it accidentally.
[09:40] <gregor3000> wait i will unistall and reinstall again.
[09:40] <popey> its almost certainly because you haven't installed the key for the ppa
[09:44] <gregor3000> command line install shows this: http://pastebin.com/GzDfVREx
[09:45] <gregor3000> the "extra packages" blocked the install in software center
[09:47] <gregor3000> ok now i need to work on this scribus thing. i will post back if i encounter any problems. :-) thank you for the help.
[09:47] <gregor3000> bye
[10:29] <daubers> Morning
[11:01] <kaushal> hi
[11:01] <kaushal> I have configured openvpn in daemon mode
[11:02] <kaushal> I always need to restart openvpn manually
[11:03] <kaushal> I have two openvpn configs. I always need to restart openvpn manually
[11:04] <kaushal> I get script failed: external program exited with error status: 1
[11:04] <kaushal> Please suggest
[11:05] <kaushal> Please let me know if any more information needs to be shared
[11:28] <Phineas> hi all
[11:29]  * Phineas has a feeling this channel is dead
[11:29]  * nigelb pokes Phineas in the eye.
[11:29]  * Phineas prods nigelb with a stick
[11:30] <Phineas> ok mabe this channel is not so dead
[11:30] <nigelb> heh
[11:30] <nigelb> A new life
[11:32]  * Phineas starts listing to B-U-S-T-E-D
[11:33] <Phineas> yeah a new life
[11:36] <Phineas> nigelb,  a new life has been born
[11:38] <nigelb> heh
[11:38] <Phineas> nigelb,  do you have any pets?
[11:42] <nigelb> Phineas: yep
[11:42] <nigelb> a dog and a few chicken :)
[11:42] <Phineas> nigelb,  what do you have?
[11:42] <Phineas> nigelb,  what are they called?
[11:43] <nigelb> Chicken -> no names or else I'll be too emotionally attached when they turn into dinner ;)
[11:43] <nigelb> dog -> Mickey
[11:44] <Phineas> nigelb,  what type of dog is it?
[11:44] <nigelb> a dachshund
[11:45] <Phineas> ahh cute
[12:00] <balor> czajkowski: Get off the line and go to the pub
[12:06] <kaushal> checking in again for the query ?
[12:06] <nigelb> kaushal: have you tried askubuntu.com?
[12:13] <kaushal> nigelb: Thanks
[12:13] <kaushal> so i need to always look at http://askubuntu.com/questions/18988/openvpn-on-ubuntu-10-10
[12:13] <kaushal> ?
[12:17] <nigelb> kaushal: yep
[12:34] <kaushal> nigelb: Thanks
[13:04] <mahiwal> ui
[13:15] <_H> anyone know if you can use bbm via ubuntu?
[13:33]  * Mez is utterly bored.
[13:39] <Pendulum> hiya
[13:49] <Mez> hey Pendulum
[14:42] <skybinary> hiyaz :) do i have to reboot after i put the af9005.fw in /lib/firmware? or is there cli i can use
[14:42] <skybinary> ?
[14:47] <mosdef470> hello all need some help with wubi was wondering if anyone could help me?
[14:48] <mosdef470> anyon use wubi?
[14:48] <Phineas> bye all
[14:51] <mosdef470> anybody use wubi?
[14:52] <dutchie> mosdef470: asking the same question 3 times in 5 minutes isn't going to make it more likely that someone answers it
[14:52] <mosdef470> oh
[14:53] <dutchie> what might help is being more specific about what your problem is
[14:53] <mosdef470> true
[14:53] <mosdef470> ok
[14:53] <mosdef470> well
[14:53] <mosdef470> i recently installed wubi evereything was fine
[14:53] <mosdef470> loaded several times fine
[14:53] <mosdef470> until one day at the windows ubuntu boot prompt
[14:54] <mosdef470> i went to load ubuntu
[14:54] <mosdef470> the screen flickered and returned to the windows ubuntu promt
[14:54] <mosdef470> again and again
[14:54] <mosdef470> so i uninstalled wubi in windows kept the root disk
[14:54] <mosdef470> and reinstalled wubi
[14:55] <mosdef470> and put back the original root disk in its place
[14:55] <mosdef470> rebooted and ubuntu would load again
[14:55] <mosdef470> fine
[14:55] <mosdef470> until a few days later the whol;e thing happened again
[14:55] <mosdef470> and i would have to reinstal wubi and place back the root disk
[14:55] <mosdef470> this is quit time consuming
[14:56] <mosdef470> and was wondering if anybody knew or had the same problem?
[14:57] <KrimZon> i haven't used wubi since 2008, when i converted it to having its own partition
[14:58] <mosdef470> i tried to instal ubuntu the other day on my windows parttion but it said it wanted to use the whole hard disk and there was no option or slider to resize the ubuntu instal
[14:59] <dutchie> as far as i know, there is no easy way to migrate from a wubi install to a traditional one on its own partition
[15:00] <KrimZon> yeah, it was kind of fiddly
[15:00] <KrimZon> vista had something that let me resize partitions though
[15:00] <mosdef470> do you think wubi is unstable?
[15:17] <GreenDance> Hi
[15:18] <GreenDance> can "unmount" a dvd drive be disabled?
[15:18] <brobostigon> afternoonings all.
[15:21] <GreenDance> afternoon brobostigon
[15:21] <brobostigon> afternoon GreenDance
[15:26] <daubers> Hmmm... need table space, but table is full of stuff acquired over christmas
[15:28] <dutchie> in an entirely new move, my table is covered in work
[15:31] <daubers> work? What is this foreign concept?
[15:34] <dutchie> i know!
[15:34] <dutchie> it's mental
[15:37] <MartijnVdS> Someone made you do it?
[15:40] <GreenDance> can "unmount" a dvd drive be removed from the right click menu on the desktop when a disk is inside the cd/dvd drive?
[15:42] <dutchie> GreenDance: sounds like a papercut
[15:42] <dutchie> !papercut
[15:42] <dutchie> hmm, the bot needs teaching about papercuts
[15:43] <GreenDance> dutchie, how do i sound like a papercut?
[15:43] <dutchie> !papercut is <reply>A papercut is a trivially fixable usability bug in a central Ubuntu component. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PaperCut for more info
[15:43] <dutchie> GreenDance: read that wiki page
[15:46] <GreenDance> dutchie, i understand what you mean now, the issue sounds like a papercut, sorry i thought you were calling me a papercut, that's why i was confused.
[15:48] <GreenDance> dutchie, the reason i brought it up was because i've had to resolve 5 ubuntu's because the end user thought unmount was eject the cd/dvd drive.
[15:48] <dutchie> GreenDance: ah, sorry
[15:48] <dutchie> lo bittin
[15:48] <dutchie> er
[15:48] <dutchie> bigcalm[mob]:
[15:48] <bigcalm[mob]> Hi peeps
[15:49] <GreenDance> hi bigcalm[mob]
[15:49] <dutchie> still in worcester?
[15:49] <bigcalm[mob]> Hi dutchie
[15:50] <bigcalm[mob]> dutchie: until tomorrow. GF has work on Wednesday and Thursday
[15:51] <bigcalm[mob]> dutchie: then back again for Friday to Sunday.
[15:51] <bigcalm[mob]> So much driving to do
[15:52] <bigcalm[mob]> Are to going to Worcester at all?
[15:52] <GreenDance> dutchie, unmount was disabling the dvd drives so I had to remount them all, that's why I was asking if there way a way to remove that unmount from the menu, but guess it is a papercut.
[15:52] <dutchie> GreenDance: i am not aware of a way to remove it now, but filing a bug will flag it for the devs to make it possible
[15:52] <dutchie> bigcalm[mob]: i am wandering in to look around the sales in a bit
[15:53] <bigcalm[mob]> It's damn busy
[15:53] <dutchie> i'm sure
[15:53] <GreenDance> dutchie, ill file a bug right away.
[15:53] <dutchie> GreenDance: excellent :)
[15:53] <bigcalm[mob]> We're relaxing with a cuppa tea back at my parents' now
[15:54] <dutchie> and you're being all antisocial on irc :)
[15:55] <bigcalm[mob]> Parents are out somewhere. GF is reading a girly magazine. Might get a laptop out in a bit
[16:02] <bittin> Hello dutchie
[16:06] <DJones> Afternoon all
[16:08] <GreenDance> Hi
[16:36]  * brobostigon has a pint of leffe
[16:41] <danfish_> afternoon to all
[16:42] <brobostigon> afternoonings danfish_ :)
[16:42] <danfish_> o/ brobostigon
[16:43] <danfish_> my nick's all screwy
[16:43] <brobostigon> o/
[16:43] <brobostigon> :(
[16:43] <danfish_> drinking sharp's doom bar today
[16:43] <danfish_> rather pleasant
[16:43] <brobostigon> not tried.
[16:44] <brobostigon> myself.
[16:44] <danfish> that's better :)
[16:44] <brobostigon> :)
[16:44] <danfish> what pressies did anyone get this year?
[16:46] <brobostigon> shirts, jumpers, socks. pink floyd concert dvd. dsotm mug. ELO vinyl.
[16:46] <brobostigon> dr who dvd's
[16:46] <MartijnVdS> I got http://www.amazon.co.uk/How-Jennifer-McKnight-Trontz/dp/0811840859/
[16:46] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: ELO vinyl? Which one? :)
[16:47] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: I have Out of the Blue here
[16:47] <danfish> brobostigon: good stuff
[16:47] <danfish> anyone get any interesting gadgets?
[16:47] <MartijnVdS> oh and I also got one of those alarm clocks with a big light
[16:47] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: electric light orchestra - discovery.
[16:47] <brobostigon> danfish: :)
[16:48]  * MartijnVdS is making a vinyl wishlist (now that I have a record player...)
[16:49] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: one record i do want, pink floyd - piper atthe gates of dawn.
[16:49]  * GreenDance files his first papercut bug report :D.
[16:49] <GreenDance> it feels great filing a bug report :D
[16:50]  * GreenDance pats himself on the back :)
[16:50] <brobostigon> GreenDance: :)
[16:50] <danfish> GreenDance: a link?
[16:51] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: Apparently my dad is/was into symphonic a LOT :)
[16:52] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: iwouldnt call elo symphonic, i would call it rock.
[16:52] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: I have http://www.discogs.com/Alela-Diane-featuring-Alina-Hardin-Alela-Alina/release/1993175 (89/1000)
[16:52] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: well, ELO is the rockiest he has :)
[16:52] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: i see.
[16:52] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: the rest sounds like you need to use more psychedelic drugs :)
[16:52] <MartijnVdS> (child of the early 50s ;))
[16:53] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: i have a few cd's like that, like piper at the gates of dawn - pink floyd,
[16:53] <GreenDance> danfish: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-panel/+bug/694776
[16:53] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: and ziggy stardust.
[16:54] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: I have Ziggy on CD
[16:54] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: :)
[16:54]  * MartijnVdS has too much music :P
[16:55] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: alady friend of mine, always gives me good vinyl for presents for me. :)
[16:56] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: I need to find someone like that ;)
[16:56] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: my oldest is a "the who" elbum from the late sixties.
[16:58] <danfish> GreenDance: it's a bit confusing with the umount/safely remove drive etc section in nautilus - needs simplifying IMO
[16:58] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: My dad's oldest is from the early 70s (Byrds I think)
[16:59] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: the one i want of my dads though, is thick as a brick - jethro tull.
[17:00] <GreenDance> danfish: sorry, i'm new to bug reporting.
[17:00] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: My record player has an USB port, and works with Linux
[17:01] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: same here, :)
[17:01] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: which one do you have?
[17:01] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: one from maplins, i cant remember the model.
[17:01] <MartijnVdS> I have a Sony
[17:02] <danfish> GreenDance: it's a bit confusing with the umount/safely remove drive etc section in nautilus - needs simplifying IMO :)
[17:02] <danfish> GreenDance: oops - meant to say, good bug report IMO :)
[17:02] <GreenDance> danfish: thank you :)
[17:03] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: sounds good. :)
[17:03] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: but I'm surprised how much maintenance records need (being used to CDs/DVDs/etc.)
[17:03] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: they do need some looking after, yes.
[17:04] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: http://www.guardian.co.uk/money/audioslideshow/2010/jun/29/work-and-careers-heritage
[17:05] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: that is good to hear,
[17:27] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: that's how they're made ;)
[17:27] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: iwill be watching when i have some quiet,
[17:28] <brobostigon> :)
[18:02]  * dutchie wonders why Free Software types don't get upset when websites say "You will need Adobe Acrobat to view this PDF"
[18:03] <dutchie> or the Competition Commission, for that matter
[18:03] <mgdm> Ssssh, don't give them something else to whine about
[18:03] <mgdm> ;)
[18:03] <dutchie> heh
[18:05] <MartijnVdS> dutchie: they do get upset, on the inside
[18:06] <MartijnVdS> dutchie: after enough sites like that, they explode in a red mist
[18:06] <czajkowski> balor: my liver can't handle it after last night
[18:08] <dutchie> MartijnVdS: that is a reason to keep them going then
[18:12] <nperry> echo "Hello World" | wall
[18:16] <ali1234> huh... wall is suid on ubuntu?
[18:16] <ali1234> that's a new one
[18:17] <mgdm> I thought it'd need to be
[18:17] <ali1234> it only needs to be if you want to allow all users to spam each other's consoles :)
[18:17] <mgdm> I thought that was more or less the point of the command
[18:18] <ali1234> not really
[18:18] <ali1234> that's like saying you need rm to be suid so you can delete other user's files
[18:18] <mgdm> Not really
[18:18] <mgdm> I thought the wall command was to send messages to other users
[18:18] <ali1234> *all* other users, yes
[18:19] <ali1234> write all - it writes to every tty
[18:19] <mgdm> I am aware of that
[18:21] <ali1234> anyway i can't really think of a good reason why you would want regular users to be able to wall
[18:22] <mgdm> chmod isn't hard to use
[18:23] <ali1234> it is when some joker has run "while true; do head -n 1000 /dev/urandom | wall; done"
[18:24] <mgdm> can't say that's been a regular occurrence on any machine I've used, maybe you just have bad users ;)
[18:24] <ali1234> they probably just haven;t noticed that wall is suid - it never was on any other distro i have used
[18:24] <bduncan> ali1234: wall is not suid, it's sgid, the same as write. users terminals are group-owned by tty and mesg changes whether or not your terminal is writable by group.
[18:25] <ali1234> mesg n doesn't block wall
[18:27] <bduncan> ali1234: i haven't tested it, but the man page says "Only the super-user can write on the terminals of users who have chosen to deny messages"
[18:27] <ali1234> well, that's false
[18:28] <ali1234> it might block write but not wall
[18:28] <bduncan> of course, you will always be able to wall to yourself, so that's not a very good test
[18:28] <ali1234> mesg n blocks write
[18:29] <bduncan> mesg n also blocks wall (from other non-root users)
[18:30] <bduncan> that's how my box is behaving right now, anyway
[18:30] <jussi> dutchie: I made the papercut factoid, it should filter down to the other bots in an hour or so
[18:30] <ali1234> hmm so it does
[18:31] <dutchie> jussi: excellent, thanks
[18:31] <bduncan> omg i think that's the first correct thing i've said on irc all day. it must be christmas
[20:16] <ipopey> Evening
[20:17] <daubers> evening
[20:17] <dutchie> evening daubers and ipopey
[20:18]  * daubers has been and bought warhammer stuffs
[20:19] <daubers> I built this http://dl.dropbox.com/u/912336/DSCN3255.JPG
[20:21] <dutchie> i have bought 11 cds since christmas
[20:21] <daubers> Blimey
[20:21] <daubers> blank ones?
[20:21] <jacobw> quick
[20:22] <daubers> I call it 70 minutes of unimprinted dye
[20:27] <daubers> Hmm... no emmy phonecall
[20:53] <Linuxsapien> im in gnome just now, but there seems to be alot of "kdeinit" processes going on that I dont want there, how do I stop these from running?
[20:53] <MartijnVdS> Linuxsapien: don't start KDE apps
[20:53] <Linuxsapien> how do I stop them
[20:53] <MartijnVdS> Linuxsapien:  File -> quit?
[20:53] <Linuxsapien> ヅ
[20:53] <Linuxsapien> heh
[20:53] <MartijnVdS> kdeinit starts automatically if you start any KDE application
[20:54] <MartijnVdS> and it should stop automatically if all KDE programs have exited
[20:54] <Linuxsapien> hmmm.. what I mean is there seems to be stuff starting on boot.. where would these be starting from ?
[20:55] <MartijnVdS> just uninstall it then
[20:55] <MartijnVdS> it's in kdelibs-bin
[20:57] <daftykins> i sense angry help.
[20:57] <Linuxsapien> ok I did kdelibs search in synaptic, there is alot of to be removed, I dont need these, so its ok to go ahead?
[20:57] <Linuxsapien> since I do not use(like) KDE
[20:58] <daftykins> sure you don't run any KDE apps?
[20:59] <Linuxsapien> the desktop is clear of them, but in processlist there is alot of kdeinit.. thats why I thoguht something was starting on boot
[20:59] <Linuxsapien> i use htop to highlight
[20:59] <MartijnVdS> so kill them
[20:59] <MartijnVdS> pkill kdeinit
[21:00] <Linuxsapien> doesnt help, tried
[21:00] <Linuxsapien> ill show you
[21:01] <Linuxsapien> http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-271210-210109.php
[21:03] <MartijnVdS> I don't see kdeinit in that screen
[21:03] <MartijnVdS> oh wait
[21:03] <MartijnVdS> scroll :)
[21:03] <Linuxsapien> :)
[21:03] <MartijnVdS> Linuxsapien: so what happens when you do "pkill kdeinit"?
[21:03] <Linuxsapien> MartijnVdS nothing
[21:03] <MartijnVdS> Linuxsapien: what happens when you de-install it first (kdelibs-bin package)?
[21:04] <MartijnVdS> Linuxsapien: then it shouldn't be able to come back after being killed
[21:04] <Linuxsapien> ill just deinstall and see :) brb
[21:04] <MartijnVdS> if it does come back, we have a case of "interesting..." :)
[21:04] <Linuxsapien> haha yes it is
[21:07] <Linuxsapien> is the core called something else these days for kde ?
[21:07] <MartijnVdS> no
[21:07] <Linuxsapien> k
[21:07] <MartijnVdS> but if you install a kde app, like kaffeine or amarok it might get pulled in
[21:10] <Linuxsapien> ye I saw on the list of kde stuff that is here, but I use none of those.. we shall see how it goes
[21:13] <Linuxsapien> relogin time
[21:16] <Linuxsapien> aaand all is quiet :D
[21:16] <MartijnVdS> *\o/*
[21:16] <Linuxsapien> hahah pompoms
[21:17] <Linuxsapien> must be some kick ass bug in plasma suckin out CPU cycles
[21:28] <_H> https://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=2&ik=cf985d9228&view=att&th=12d291d906fa187d&attid=0.1&disp=inline&zw
[21:28] <_H> oh you can't view that image can you?
[21:29] <_H> I was going to ask about the server in the picture
[21:30] <MartijnVdS> _H: you'll have to download it and put it on picasa/min.us/imagebin
[21:59] <Feels_Goodman> Hey guys - I'm running Sound Juicer on Ubuntu 10.04 - trying to rip the tracks as mp3 - I can see the option in "Edit > Preferences > Edit Profiles" but in the "Edit > Preferences > Format > Output Format" it won't let me choose mp3 as an option - anyone have a clue why? Cheers
[21:59] <dutchie> Feels_Goodman: have you installed the relevant codecs to be able to read/write mp3s?
[21:59] <Feels_Goodman> I think so - at least I can save stuff as mp3 in Audacity etc
[22:02] <Silver_Fox_> Hello
[22:03] <Feels_Goodman> dutchie: I have libmp3lame0
[22:03] <brobostigon> !mp3
[22:05] <dutchie> Feels_Goodman: i'm fairly sure that sound juicer uses gstreamer
[22:06] <Feels_Goodman> I have gstreamer extra plug-ins "codecs to play mp3, sid...etc"
[22:08] <dutchie> hmm, dunno then
[22:08] <brobostigon> !info ubuntu-restricted-extras
[22:08] <dutchie> sorry
[22:08] <brobostigon> i think you need that package,
[22:09] <Feels_Goodman> Ah right
[22:09] <bigcalm> Who is Josh Holland?
[22:10] <brobostigon> Feels_Goodman: http://packages.ubuntu.com/maverick/ubuntu-restricted-extras
[22:10] <Feels_Goodman> brobostigon: installing now!
[22:10] <Feels_Goodman> Will let you know
[22:10]  * bigcalm kippers dutchie
[22:11] <brobostigon> Feels_Goodman: its says on that package page, it allows for restricted codecs, which mp3 is. so i suspect that metapackage will do it.
[22:11] <Feels_Goodman> That seems to have done the trick, cheers brobostigon and dutchie for your help
[22:11] <brobostigon> Feels_Goodman: you're welcome, :)
[22:12] <brobostigon> Feels_Goodman: help.ubuntu.com/community  i have it permenently bookmarked, alot of solutions to alot of problems there.
[22:13] <Feels_Goodman> Normally I can find stuff pretty quickly, but if my google-fu skills are lacking I'll usually pop into IRC
[22:13] <Feels_Goodman> but cheers, I'll add that to faves now
[22:13] <brobostigon> :)
[23:11] <brobostigon> nos da, sleep well.
[23:17] <_H>  Dell PowerEdge 1850 1u 1x Intel Pentium 4 Xeon. Fsb800  http://bayimg.com/GABnBaADP  £20 is that a good deal?
[23:18] <penguin42> for £20 - yeh
[23:20] <penguin42> _H: Pentium 4 Xeon is quite a range though, but at £20 what the heck; although if it's got no discs or RAM it's going to cost you to get it going
[23:20] <_H> has ram
[23:20] <_H> no hdd
[23:21] <penguin42> I suspect it needs SCA SCSI drives
[23:21] <_H> im using as a proxy server
[23:24] <_H> http://edinburgh.gumtree.com/edinburgh/83/70893583.html
[23:26] <penguin42> it doesn't say which of the ones in the stack it is, but I suspect it's one of the top 3
[23:26] <Azelphur> rooted my G2 :D
[23:27] <penguin42> _H: Unless you've actually got a rack to put it in, the rackness of it doesn't help you - so you may as well find an old P4 someone is throwing away
[23:27] <_H> he said the whole system
[23:27] <_H> I am hoping to get the whole thing
[23:27] <_H> ie all those blades
[23:28] <penguin42> there's what - 5 machines there?
[23:29] <penguin42> oops, 6
[23:29] <_H> yeah
[23:29] <_H> all working
[23:30] <penguin42> for £20, go get it - although that's an unusually low figure
[23:30] <penguin42> I'd expect you could ebay each of those for at least £50 maybe £100 or more
[23:30] <_H> he needs shot of it as he has an account at uni
[23:32] <_H> he now offering 23 quid for the whole machine with a 32gb hdd
[23:32] <_H> all my chistmases  have come at once
[23:33] <penguin42> _H: Sounds good, erm if he's expecting you to pay for postage you might want to worry - that's probably 60-80kg
[23:33] <_H> I am collecting by hand
[23:34] <_H> :)
[23:34] <penguin42> you might want to ask if he has the rack kits in case you ever need to rack them
[23:34] <_H> sorry I feel that even though I am paying for it I should say something like  "I'm stealing it tommorrow at 3pm"
[23:35] <_H> penguin42: rack kits?
[23:35] <penguin42> _H: Yeh, for rack mounted machines they normally have a bit that bolts to the racks, and those are often sold separately from the machines
[23:35] <_H> they expensive?
[23:36] <penguin42> depends if you get a Dell guy on a good day; maybe £20 or more/machine and they're different from each one
[23:38] <_H> I don't have anything to mount them with
[23:38] <penguin42> they'll go on a shelf ok
[23:39] <penguin42> _H: Although, http://lifehacker.com/5459719/build-a-network-rack-with-an-ikea-table might help - not sure it's upto that much weight though
[23:39] <_H> I don't know how to bbut I hope to sort it so I can have my own hosting of a domain dns only [I want to have my dns not my ip]
[23:40] <_H> http://www.ikea.com/gb/en/catalog/products/20011408
[23:42] <penguin42> hehe, it's turned into lackrack.org
[23:43] <AlanBell> _H: rackmount servers can be very noisy
[23:44] <penguin42> *very*
[23:49] <_H> I have a large flat
[23:50] <penguin42> _H: Buy them for £20, ebay them for £50-100 each, and then buy something small, quiet and more powerful
[23:50] <_H> I need a new pc
[23:50] <_H> this cpu is borked
[23:53] <_H> ebaying them is a good idea