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[05:05] <CIA-39> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1209734 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/libqapt/src/ (backend.cpp config.cpp history.cpp package.cpp) LibQApt should use Q_FOREACH explicitly to avoid potential issues with other libraries using the foreach keyword as a macro
[07:16] <cpatrick2008> i was wondering when the kpackagekit bug is going to be fixed i saw that kde fixed the problem in version 0.6.3,2
[07:23] <valorie> systemsettings is still crashing if I test xine or vlc phonon backend
[07:24] <valorie> it wasn't my haunted computer
[07:24] <valorie> doesn't crash with gst
[07:24] <valorie> but since i get no error messages, I don't know where I should report this
[07:25] <valorie> kde bug, or kub. bug?
[07:25] <valorie> systemsettings, or phonon?
[07:52] <yofel> cpatrick2008: not sure when it will be fixed, as we need the new kpk version for that
[07:53] <yofel> and dantti seems to be far away..
[09:27] <Quintasan> apachelogger: http://sebner.soup.io/post/96014590/Timelords
[09:28] <valorie> Quintasan: do you build phonon from git?
[09:28] <Quintasan> valorie: in project-neon we do
[09:29] <valorie> so that's what you have for your amarok?
[09:29] <Quintasan> dunno
[09:29] <Quintasan> I don't have it installed yet
[09:29] <valorie> ever since I built phonon from git, I can't play ANYTHING
[09:29] <valorie> from ANYWHERE
[09:30] <valorie> I've been testing -- backends all crash
[09:30] <valorie> as soon as anything hits the playlist, crash
[09:30] <Quintasan> and project-neon-amarok is not ready yet beacuse it waits for project-neon-kdemutlimedia which is waiting for oom bug
[09:31] <valorie> your amarok was still crashing though, correct?
[09:32] <valorie> on startup
[09:32] <valorie> sec
[09:38] <valorie> sorry, when the old dog needs out, gotta take him out or clean up the carpet!
[09:38] <valorie> lol
[09:39] <valorie> I'm wondering if I just apt-get purge phonon and then reinstall from packages
[09:39] <valorie> if I'll have a working amarok again
[09:40] <valorie> on startup is probably a different problem, *unless* you have a playlist in place, and have chosen to have it start playing at startup
[09:40] <valorie> which would trigger the same crash
[09:40] <valorie> do you get a bt?
[09:43] <valorie> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=261356
[09:43] <ubottu> KDE bug 261356 in general "Try to play a downloaded podcast while using Gstreamer" [Crash,Unconfirmed]
[09:43] <valorie> for mine
[09:58] <valorie> quintasan, is your backtrace anything like this one? KDE bug 259801?
[09:59] <ubottu> KDE bug 259801 in GStreamer backend "Amarok crashed on startup [ Phonon::Gstreamer::Backend::logMessage]" [Crash,Reopened] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=259801
[09:59] <valorie> if so, we do have something related I think
[09:59] <valorie> anyway, going to bed
[09:59] <valorie> niters all
[10:16] <yofel> Quintasan: multimedia is OOM too?
[10:17] <yofel> Quintasan: wait, you didn't even try multimedia yet
[10:41] <Quintasan> nope
[10:41] <Quintasan> because we cant? :D
[10:41] <Quintasan> we need kdelibs to be built with docbook-xml/xls as runtime dependency
[10:42] <yofel> I uploaded that yesterday 
[10:42] <yofel> (pretty late though)
[11:25] <droidslayer> apachelogger: http://kde.in/conf/
[11:50] <apachelogger> droidslayer: cool
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[14:27] <afiestas__> Hey, you should backport the patches that can be found between 1.0 and 1.0.1
[14:28] <afiestas__> they add stability into kio_obexftp by fixing a lot of "dead lock" situations and fix the "Empty device name" bug
[15:04] <CIA-39> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1209920 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/libqapt/src/ (backend.cpp worker/worker.cpp) Report whether or not an InitError comes from the worker. This way applications can know if they should quit or not.
[15:05] <CIA-39> [muon] jmthomas * 1209922 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/ (libmuon/MuonMainWindow.cpp muon/MainWindow.cpp) Don't quit if an InitError comes from the worker. If the timing is right a LockError can be reported as an InitError in the worker, and we don't have to quit all of Muon over that
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[15:08] <nigelb> yofel: poke
[15:08] <nigelb> yofel: interested in doing a class at user days?
[15:09] <CIA-39> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1209924 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/libqapt/src/globals.h Document the new InitError detail
[15:23]  * Riddell uploads koffice to natty and ppa/backports
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[15:45] <alleehol> kmail2 beta3 unusable beause it needs akonadi-server 1.4.90 released a week ago.  Can't this be added to the experimental ppa?
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[15:59] <yofel> nigelb: what topic? and when exactly is the next one going to be?
[16:00] <nigelb> yofel: pick something you think is beginner-user-friendly
[16:00] <nigelb> date --> Saturday January 29th and
[16:00] <nigelb> Sunday January 30th
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[16:34] <afiestas__> Riddell: what is the process to backport a couple of patches form upstream?
[16:34] <afiestas__> or even better update to 1.0.1 if possible
[16:58] <maco> afiestas__: into a stable kubuntu release?
[16:58] <maco> !sru
[16:58] <ubottu> Stable Release Update information is at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates
[16:59] <afiestas__> maco: yes
[17:01] <maco> read the link then
[17:01] <afiestas__> well, I'm not going to read all of that... I'm not a packager and I'm not interested in all that informtion
[17:01] <afiestas__> I'm onlly interested in get bluedevil updated someway since we've improved the stability a lot in some parts of the software
[17:01] <afiestas__> and kubuntu is lacking those patches
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[17:09] <_Groo_> hi/2 all
[17:10] <_Groo_> anyone with natty could confirm if k3b is broken with kde 4.6?
[17:10] <_Groo_> k3b needs hal to find the devices
[17:10] <_Groo_> since hal was removed from natty, does k3b work?
[17:10] <_Groo_> im compiling latest k3b git to see if they implemented udisks yet
[17:11] <_Groo_> anyone alive? :D
[17:12] <apachelogger> wah?
[17:12] <afiestas> in theory they could use Solid to do not have these problems :/
[17:12] <apachelogger> _Groo_: you could help afiestas get bluetooth improvements into 10.10
[17:12] <afiestas> that would be nice :p 
[17:13] <afiestas> btw, I'm trying to upgrade to kde 4.5.4 (which fixes some Composite stuff) but I can't find it in backports
[17:13] <afiestas> do I have to use another repo for that?
[17:13] <apachelogger> me@avatar:~/tmp/k3b-2.0.1$ grep -ri hal  . |grep include
[17:13] <apachelogger> ./libk3bdevice/k3bhalconnection.cpp:#include "k3bhalconnection.h"
[17:13] <apachelogger> ./libk3bdevice/k3bhalconnection.cpp:#include "k3bhalconnection.moc"
[17:13] <apachelogger> ./src/k3bapplication.cpp:#include "k3bhalconnection.h"
[17:13] <apachelogger> the do not use hal
[17:13] <apachelogger> they just have a class named hal
[17:13] <apachelogger> for whatever reason
[17:14] <apachelogger> it uses solid/device though
[17:14] <apachelogger> no hal there
[17:14] <_Groo_> apachelogger: by bluetooth you mean bluedevil? im already using latest git in my machine
[17:14] <apachelogger> well
[17:14] <afiestas> _Groo_: I'd like to add some patches (at least) into the current Kubuntu packages
[17:14] <apachelogger> unless you cloned yourself and are now making up 99% of the worlds populatin that is not going to help anyone but you :P
[17:15] <afiestas> basically the diff between 1.0 and 1.0.1 (iirc 5 commits)
[17:15] <_Groo_> apachelogger: well k3b 2.0.1 is complaining it cant find the devices cause i dont have hal running
[17:15] <apachelogger> well
[17:15] <apachelogger> k3b is utter fun
[17:15] <apachelogger> since they have a class that is named after hal
[17:15] <apachelogger> I would presume that they also have strings that refer to HAL
[17:15] <_Groo_> apachelogger: actually i do a lot of packages for my own use, because a) i dont trust me b) ppl dont truste me
[17:16] <apachelogger> which is of course BS because they use solid and thus anything could be running under the hood
[17:16] <_Groo_> apachelogger: im not arguing, im just asking someone with natty to run k3b and see if iut shows the devices :)
[17:16] <_Groo_> apachelogger: allllllllso new k3b from git asks for qt multimedia.. and i couldnt find any dev packages with it, only mobile ones
[17:17] <apachelogger> ah
[17:17] <apachelogger> right
[17:17] <_Groo_> apachelogger: its an optional build option so its fine for now, but it would be better if qt multimedia mess could be sorted out
[17:17]  * apachelogger meant to go rant about that
[17:17] <apachelogger> _Groo_: yeah
[17:17] <_Groo_> apachelogger: yeah i agree, its a mess right now :P
[17:17] <apachelogger> write a mail
[17:17] <apachelogger> that goes like
[17:17] <_Groo_> apachelogger: some parts that are in mobile, should have been into desktop, and vice versa
[17:17] <apachelogger> "you unicorns, use the stinky phonon not the stinky qtmm"
[17:17] <apachelogger> "kthxbai"
[17:17] <apachelogger> "p.s. shoot"
[17:18] <_Groo_> apachelogger: lol, i know how the debate goes
[17:18] <apachelogger> no
[17:18] <_Groo_> apachelogger: why have one multimedia when you can have 100!
[17:18] <_Groo_> apachelogger: its so much easier for everyone ¬¬
[17:18] <apachelogger> qtmm should not be in Qt
[17:18] <apachelogger> it ws there
[17:18] <apachelogger> and it got moved
[17:18] <apachelogger> because it is utter crap
[17:18] <apachelogger> and only filling one use case, which is lowlevel access to playback stuff
[17:18] <apachelogger> which all and entirely could have been done in phonon
[17:18] <apachelogger> but the qt brisbane dudes being dudes ...
[17:19] <apachelogger> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_f_p0CgPeyA
[17:19] <afiestas> apachelogger: +1 for a k3b qtmm free
[17:20] <_Groo_> afiestas: just build it without qtmm.. its optional, only used to preview some shit...
[17:20] <afiestas> _Groo_: that's why we should push Phonon there since it is perfect for the job, isn't it apachelogger ?
[17:21] <apachelogger> most definitely
[17:21] <_Groo_> afiestas: by push you mean replace the code with phonon?
[17:21] <afiestas> if k3b people agree, yes
[17:21] <afiestas> or at least add some ifdef magic
[17:21] <_Groo_> afiestas: trueg is aproachable... the other developer i dont know
[17:22] <afiestas> ifdef UNICORNS, then use phonon
[17:22] <afiestas> if not, use whatever you please :p
[17:23] <_Groo_> apachelogger: btw there will be no more monkeys in the neighborhood  for a looong time XD
[17:23] <_Groo_> apachelogger: they all met they maker
[17:23] <_Groo_> their maker
[17:23] <apachelogger> yeah
[17:24] <apachelogger> my sister too if she does not stop singing
[17:24]  * apachelogger starts shouting like a mad man
[17:25]  * _Groo_ knows apachelogger IS a mad man
[17:27] <_Groo_> anyone with natty, pls run k3b and say if the damn thing can find the devices
[17:27] <afiestas> QuickAccess browser should go upstream, i find it extremely useful
[17:28] <_Groo_> afiestas: veromix too! its a ubber sound mixer
[17:28] <apachelogger> afiestas: upstream?
[17:29] <apachelogger> you find it useful? :O
[17:29] <afiestas> upstream ==> somewhere within git.kde.org
[17:29] <apachelogger> I do not think JontheEchidna wants to maintain it anymore
[17:29] <afiestas> and yes, I'm too lazy to launch dolphin :p
[17:29] <apachelogger> or something like that
[17:29] <apachelogger> he is too busy with muon anyway ;)
[17:30]  * apachelogger actually wants to remove quickaccess in favor of trash
[17:30]  * afiestas likes KPackageKit and PackageKit :p
[17:30] <_Groo_> No optical drive found. K3b did not find any optical device in your system. Solution: Make sure HAL daemon is running, it is used by K3b for finding devices.
[17:30] <apachelogger> users have problems finding the silly trashbin
[17:30] <apachelogger> afiestas: that is appit
[17:30] <JontheEchidna> The original author never put QuickAccess upstream because aseigo didn't like it, iirc
[17:30] <apachelogger> or something like that
[17:30] <_Groo_> arrrrghhhhh
[17:30] <apachelogger> got renamed
[17:30] <afiestas> appkit?
[17:30] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[17:30] <JontheEchidna> It got renamed to Apper
[17:30] <apachelogger> projects.kde.org will know
[17:30] <apachelogger> ah
[17:30] <apachelogger> right
[17:30] <JontheEchidna> (KPK did)
[17:30] <apachelogger> apper
[17:30] <afiestas> apachelogger: maybe we have to rename Phonon to "MultimediaKit"  :p
[17:30] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: for once I am with aseigo :P
[17:31] <afiestas> aah :p
[17:31] <apachelogger> afiestas: we do
[17:31] <apachelogger> well
[17:31] <JontheEchidna> but yeah, I'm not really maintaining QuickAccess anymore
[17:31] <apachelogger> maybe not multimediakit
[17:31] <_Groo_> stupid k3b ¬¬
[17:31] <apachelogger> lennart will come eat us
[17:31] <apachelogger> only he may do kits or give permission to make kits :P
[17:31] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: pitty cause i use it alot, and its one of my favorite plasmoids
[17:31] <apachelogger> afiestas: there is a branding problem with how phonon is perceived as something not-qt
[17:31] <JontheEchidna> well, it still works. and I'll at least try to keep it that way
[17:32] <apachelogger> makign people fall in favor with qtmm
[17:32] <JontheEchidna> but I'm not going to really be doing any further development with the plasmoid
[17:32] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: awww :(
[17:32] <apachelogger> not to mention that a google search on qt multimedia will not yield much phonon
[17:32] <apachelogger> for obvious reasons
[17:32] <apachelogger> let us kill the quickaccess!!!
[17:32] <apachelogger> oh
[17:32] <apachelogger> I need to leave in half an hour for train
[17:32] <apachelogger> let us kill the quickaccess later!!!!
[17:33] <afiestas> xD
[17:33]  * apachelogger throws a flamethrower after phonongst's streamreader
[17:33] <_Groo_> could
[17:33] <_Groo_> someone
[17:33] <_Groo_> confirm
[17:33] <_Groo_> that
[17:33] <_Groo_> K3B
[17:34] <_Groo_> is
[17:34] <_Groo_> broken
[17:34] <_Groo_> in
[17:34] <_Groo_> natty!
[17:34] <_Groo_> or 
[17:34] <_Groo_> maverick!
[17:34] <_Groo_> with
[17:34] <_Groo_> kde
[17:34] <_Groo_> 4
[17:34] <_Groo_> .
[17:34] <_Groo_> 6?
[17:34] <_Groo_> pls?
[17:34] <apachelogger> works here
[17:34] <_Groo_> apachelogger: hal is running?
[17:34]  * apachelogger just burned some pr0n
[17:34] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: we should put synaptics in the seed while we are removing quickaccess from it (bug 669558)
[17:34] <apachelogger> _Groo_: how would I know
[17:34] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 669558 in kcm-touchpad (Ubuntu Natty) "[MIR] synaptiks" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/669558
[17:34] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: aye
[17:34] <_Groo_> apachelogger: yyou still burn pr0n???? oO 
[17:34] <_Groo_> apachelogger: ps xa|grep hal
[17:34] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: now I just need to remember that long enough
[17:35] <_Groo_> apachelogger: should give you a lot of little hal spawn services
[17:35] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: I can do it after I'm done with this FTBFS fix for darkroom
[17:35] <_Groo_> apachelogger: if its active
[17:35] <apachelogger> seems there is a hal in my pocket
[17:35] <_Groo_> apachelogger: oh great... ok, now we have a problem :P
[17:35] <apachelogger> do we?
[17:35] <_Groo_> apachelogger: the thing is... hal and ustuff dont go along
[17:35] <apachelogger> so?
[17:35] <_Groo_> apachelogger: check your power manager
[17:36] <_Groo_> apachelogger: are you seeing one batery or two?
[17:36] <apachelogger> one
[17:36] <_Groo_> apachelogger: oO
[17:36] <_Groo_> apachelogger: do you have upower installed?
[17:36] <apachelogger> how would I know
[17:36] <apachelogger> why would I though?
[17:37] <apachelogger> installed it is
[17:37] <_Groo_> apachelogger: kde moved from hal to ustuff.. they are needed for solid now, for power managemnt, the like
[17:37] <apachelogger> odd Ifind that though
[17:37] <apachelogger> _Groo_: now, I would expect that solid hal still works?
[17:37] <_Groo_> apachelogger: at leats till beta2, powerdevil used to show 2 bateries instead of one, cause he was reading from both hal and upower
[17:38] <_Groo_> apachelogger: same strange behaviour for some type of medias
[17:38] <apachelogger> well
[17:38] <apachelogger> now it does not anymore
[17:39] <apachelogger> so probably hald and ushoot are mutually exclusive within solid
[17:39] <apachelogger> which supposedly would make sense
[17:39] <_Groo_> apachelogger: gonna test that now
[17:39] <_Groo_> that would "fix" k3b, im installing hal again
[17:40] <_Groo_> still cant find the stuff, but hal is kinda sutpid, sometimes onlya  reboot makes him see the correct devices
[17:40] <_Groo_> apachelogger: did you update kdenetwork to rc1 yet?
[17:40] <_Groo_> apachelogger: if not i can upload my packages
[17:43] <_Groo_> apachelogger: do a  solid-hardware list and paste it somehwre
[17:43] <_Groo_> apachelogger: i wanna see if solid is show both hal and udisk devices
[17:43] <_Groo_> showing*
[17:47] <_Groo_> apachelogger: hello?
[17:48] <_Groo_> brb
[21:35] <Quintasan> Hmmmmmmmmmmm
[21:35] <Quintasan> It's quite dead in here.
[21:35] <Daskreech> I agree
[22:01] <Riddell> hi afiestas, we need the patches and whatever information is available about the problems they fix to do a stable release update
[22:12] <Riddell> shadeslayer: ajax seems to have died in rekonq using KDE Platform 4.6 :(
[22:28] <afiestas> Riddell: oooks, I will send them to kubuntu-devel
[22:40] <droidslayer>  Any ideas why qt webkit is NOT built with v8 engine support?  http://launchpadlibrarian.net/60440899/buildlog_ubuntu-natty-amd64.qtwebkit-source_2.1%7Egit20101116-0ubuntu9_BUILDING.txt.gz
[22:40] <droidslayer> There's a option to pass --v8 to the script 
[22:41] <droidslayer> Riddell: ^^ incase you have a idea...  
[22:42] <droidslayer> I've Gtg and sleep...  its 4am :-P
[22:42] <droidslayer> Cya
[22:43] <Riddell> droidslayer: no paticular reason
[22:43] <Riddell> oh, he left
[23:22]  * Riddell uploads new koffice tar and koffice-l10n