[00:00] it seems like certificates support for kde was pretty incomplete up to versions 4.4 === nhandler is now known as Guest26812 === nhandler_ is now known as nhandler [00:11] привет === MuzerAway is now known as Muzer [00:11] !ru | buldozer [00:11] buldozer: Пожалуйста посетите #ubuntu-ru для получения помощи на русском языке / Pozhalujsta posetite /join #ubuntu-ru dlya polucheniya pomoshi na russkom yazyke [00:12] не понял [00:12] апапапап [00:22] any idea as to how i can install bochs? [00:22] !find bochs [00:22] Found: bochs, bochs-doc, bochs-sdl, bochs-svga, bochs-term [00:23] from the repos woodzy [00:23] !info bochs [00:23] bochs (source: bochs): IA-32 PC emulator. In component universe, is extra. Version 2.4.5-1 (maverick), package size 1057 kB, installed size 3208 kB [00:24] can i use apt-get to install it? [00:24] sure you can [00:25] thanks. :) i just didn't see it in the list under settings. === david is now known as Guest93310 === dawehner is now known as dereine [00:28] you can always try apt-cache search bochs in konsole to check === don is now known as Guest28480 === root is now known as Guest44272 [02:01] is there a wysiswyg editor for bb-code? [02:01] hello, I have problems with Kopete, when I have message indicator I can't maximize Kopete, when I turn off indicator Kate does not show up in the tray is there a way to fix it? [02:02] I mean Kopete not kate :) [02:04] sobczyk, yeah, it's complicated [02:04] DaemonFC: but fixable? [02:05] I think it goes, close it to tray and restore it with indicator in the tray, then close indicator, quit kopete, open kopete, and close it again, this time it should offer to go to the tray [02:05] I stumbled on that by wrestling it for a while [02:05] would be nice to have working message indicator though [02:06] I don't like that thing anywhere, but it least it's possible to get rid of it in Kubuntu without losing half your notifications [02:06] :) [02:06] hmm the problem is - Kopete does not restore with message indicator [02:06] I click Kopete but nothing happens [02:07] oh, I thought you wanted rid of the indicator === g_ is now known as bla1 [02:10] I also have problems connecting to ad-hoc network (creating it), though I'm not sure if it's kubuntu related [03:14] Hi there, I been using ubuntu for a year, and I just installed kde a couple weeks ago, since then, I been having problems with the audio (input and output), it works for a while, and suddlendly fail...Any healp pls? [03:19] I'm having trouble with a new Kubuntu 10.10 Install. It starts up kinda weird and when I get to the login screen and try to login, it goes to the splash screen and does a few of the things, then it goes black and goes right back to the login screen. help? [03:28] Anyone able to help? [03:37] hi anyone got an idea what in a system update may've slowed down the system === jackson_ is now known as jackson [03:41] someone posted that question on the kubuntu forum from what i recall. === GinoMan is now known as GinoSleeps === tony_ is now known as ttt81 [06:55] i got a triple boot system [kubuntu, ubuntu, windows] in which the kubuntu partition reached its limit. want second opinion about running the livecd to reinstall kubuntu using the space of both ext4 partitions [so only windows and kubuntu are installed] .. how are the chances of all that going wrong [06:55] :( [06:57] just a thought [06:57] how about blowing away Ubuntu, and moving/backing up your kub. /home on that? [06:58] then you will have more room for kub., AND have your home on it's one partition [06:58] its [06:58] own [06:58] sheesh, typing fail [06:59] right.. i assume your method is about running gparted from livecd? [06:59] I suppose you could do that [07:00] I don't know anything about your partition sizes [07:00] but you could always adjust before copying home over [07:00] it's just a good idea to have /home protected by itself [07:01] sec, have to tend to the dog [07:05] also, most people don't dual boot k/ubuntu [07:05] you can just log into one or the other as you wish [07:05] if you prefer ubuntu for some things [07:05] or just use some ubuntu apps in kubuntu [07:20] i was wondering when the kpackagekit bug is going to be fixed i saw that kde fixed the problem in version 0.6.3,2 [07:26] which kpk bug? [07:26] * valorie finally is liking kpk [07:31] https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=261295 [07:31] KDE bug 261295 in general "KPackageKit in kubuntu 10 10" [Crash,Resolved: duplicate] [07:31] https://bugs.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/+bug/694194 [07:31] Ubuntu bug 694194 in Kubuntu PPA "kpackagekit doesn't start after update to kde 4.6 rc" [Undecided,New] [07:32] all i can say to that is [07:32] !ppa [07:32] A Personal Package Archive (PPA) can provide alternate software not normally available in the offical Ubuntu repositories - Looking for a PPA? See https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas - WARNING: PPAs are unsupported third-party packages, and should be used at your own risk. [07:33] well, I'm using 4.5.4 [07:33] so a bit behind the cutting edge [07:35] perhaps you could ask #ubuntu-bugs or better yet, whoever handles the kde bugs .. [07:36] am guessing that'd be around kde.org [07:37] there's a kde channel iirc [07:38] many of them, in fact [07:39] the amount of ppl with kde issues in the Archlinux forums ... [07:43] it's sometimes difficult to work out where the bugs come from -- programming, or packaging? [07:43] it seems the policy is to build something new rather then fix what is now I guess [07:44] sometimes that's best [07:44] "sometimes" [07:44] if the old is really outdated, or a mess of code [07:44] i dont think thats how it works [07:44] it worked that way with Amarok [07:44] valorie: how many network manager issues have you seen? [07:45] some [07:45] anyhow.. thats where a well done bug report comes into play [07:45] I didn't use to hang out here, so I don't know if it's getting better, or staying the same [07:45] I just think they should hold up on new releases for a bit 'till the base is right [07:45] 10.10 was a big improvement for me [07:46] well_laid_lawn: what are your issues? [07:46] am using 10.10 and i like my widgets too [07:46] :( [07:47] valorie: I have none except trying to sort out others issues - my install is very basic [07:47] but noveau isnt quite there as far as 3d acceleration .. sigh [07:48] give it a bit of time to mature it is still young [07:48] have to.. only got integrated graphics [07:48] :( === david is now known as Guest34788 [09:06] Hello === synet is now known as SynTet-a-Tet [09:24] всем привет! [09:26] Кто знает, почему Мозила тормозит, при обращении к сайту (скорость нормальная) [09:26] !ru | SynTet-a-Tet [09:26] SynTet-a-Tet: Пожалуйста посетите #ubuntu-ru для получения помощи на русском языке / Pozhalujsta posetite /join #ubuntu-ru dlya polucheniya pomoshi na russkom yazyke [09:43] hi, I'm trying to upload data to a garmin gps. According to http://www.marengo-ltd.com/gps/ garmin support is built in, but it seems to rely on older kernels [09:44] http://sourceforge.net/projects/garmin-gps/ it says here linux 2.6-. So is there a replacement for this? [09:46] btw the GPS cable is a serial, so I'm using a serial to USB converter, which seems to work out of the box. [09:49] linux 2.6-. generally means any of the 2.6 kernels so the one you have should be fine [09:49] !find linux [09:49] Found: doc-linux-html, doc-linux-text, grub, initramfs-tools, libhyphen-dev, libselinux1, libselinux1-dev, linux-backports-modules-alsa-2.6.35-22-generic, linux-backports-modules-alsa-2.6.35-22-generic-pae, linux-backports-modules-net-2.6.35-22-generic (and 203 others) http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=linux&searchon=names&suite=maverick§ion=all [09:50] we're up to 2.6.35 now [09:58] It seems there's no package for garmin-gps [10:06] !find garmin [10:06] Found: garmin-forerunner-tools, libgarmin-dev, libgarmin0, qlandkartegt-garmin [10:07] I'm trying qlandkartegt-garmin right now [10:07] apt-cache search is a good thing to try in terminal for applications too [10:07] k [10:20] hello all.. i like to use the uno-plugin for eclipse.. now i have to tell the plugin the path to openoffice sdk (or dev in *buntu) and to the openoffice-installation.. [10:20] which paths are these? i just found some directorys, but there isn't a valid/one who looks complett.. [10:21] I would think /usr/bin or /opt === Guest34788 is now known as thekleine [10:27] Gutn Morgen [10:29] hartmut: woud you like a german channel? [10:29] !de [10:29] In den meisten ubuntu-Kanälen wird nur Englisch gesprochen. Für deutschsprachige Hilfe besuchen Sie bitte #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #edubuntu-de oder #ubuntu-at. Geben Sie einfach /join #ubuntu-de ein! Danke für Ihr Verständnis. [10:30] well_laid: yes, if i install the deb's from openoffice.org, then it's should be in opt.. in /usr/bin are just the binarys to start.. [10:34] !tab [10:34] You can use your key for autocompletion of nicknames in IRC, as well as for completion of filenames and programs on the command line. [10:36] skamster_: I don't really know what you are after - openoffice doesn't have a sdk afaik - in /usr/bin the executables normally start with three o's [10:36] like ooo-base etc [10:44] oh, thanks for that trick.. i just now the same for console :) [10:44] it's a handy trick :-) [10:45] I type ska and hit the tab key and I get skamster_ [10:46] well_laid_lawn: yes, i know. but there's a package in the repos called openoffice.org-dev.. that's the sdk, as i know (written in description). i've got also a plugin for the uno-library, but this plugin needs the install-paths for ooffice and ooffice-sdk (or dev).. [10:47] i found a folder under /usr/share/openoffice/ but it doesn't seem to be the right one [10:47] :s [10:48] well_laid_lawn: yeah, like in terminal for commands, folders and so on ;) very nice, didn't know that it's also avaible for irc :D [10:48] !find openoffice.org [10:48] Found: dictionaries-common, hunspell-de-at, hunspell-de-ch, hunspell-de-de, hunspell-eu-es, hunspell-gl-es, hunspell-uz, libbase-java-openoffice.org, libflute-java-openoffice.org, libfonts-java-openoffice.org (and 237 others) http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=openoffice.org&searchon=names&suite=maverick§ion=all [10:48] there's lots [10:48] !find openoffice.org-dev [10:48] Found: openoffice.org-dev, openoffice.org-dev-doc [10:49] !info openoffice.org-dev [10:49] openoffice.org-dev (source: openoffice.org): office productivity suite -- SDK. In component main, is optional. Version 1:3.2.1-7ubuntu1 (maverick), package size 2479 kB, installed size 27124 kB (Only available for i386 m68k mips mipsel powerpc s390 kfreebsd-i386 alpha amd64 kfreebsd-amd64 armel hppa ia64 ppc64 s390x sparc all) [10:49] !find openoffice.org-dev [10:49] Found: openoffice.org-dev, openoffice.org-dev-doc [10:49] it's in the repos [10:49] ah, damn, i didn't saw your command [10:49] sudo apt-get install openoffice.org-dev then [10:50] it's ok :) [10:50] i already did that [10:50] woot! [10:50] my problem is just the path [10:50] where is it? :( [10:50] or: which one is valid? [10:52] hi [10:52] how do i setup zero ballistics ? [10:52] well_laid_lawn: maybe it's also just the plugin who don't like me.. :p [10:53] (it said just everytime: path is no valid oo-path) [10:54] skamster_: I thought it needed three o's [10:55] ooo-path [10:55] ok, yes, the message is with 3 o's.. but the path was copy-paste, so i don't think it was wrong.. [10:55] strange uno-world.. :s [10:56] heh [10:58] they may better would make a .jar-file and everything's fine.. without the plugin, i'm not able to programm something with uno or at least i don't know how.. [10:59] I don't know how to either [11:02] well_laid_lawn: yes, it's the wrong channel for that, but they're all sleeping and i just relax because i couldn't work [11:02] ;) [11:13] the sdk isn't enough skamster_ ? [11:13] it should have help/man pages I would think [11:14] no, i've got no access to the librarys who i like to import.. [11:15] i looked in tutorials.. but found just the way with the plugin [11:15] !find openoffice.org-dev [11:15] Found: openoffice.org-dev, openoffice.org-dev-doc [11:16] there's the doc files to download too skamster_ [11:22] mh, the doc's are fine, there's a fully api-documentation.. but without working imports, i couldn't use it.. may i find somewhere in the sdk-folders a jar or so.. [11:36] I wouldn't know about that sorry [11:45] hey [11:50] i am a c developer and i can`t get a c program to work in maverick. i am doing it in codeblocks and it is giving a fatal error conio.h no such file or directory [11:51] can anybody help me?? [11:51] no such file and directory.... [11:52] phani: this is a kubuntu help channel [11:52] and not a #c channel [11:52] hey i am getting the problem in ubuntu .. i mentioned it [11:54] well_laid_lawn: no problem, thanks for the help anyway :) [11:56] conio.h === yofel_ is now known as yofel [13:21] what's the name of the sun java package? [13:22] sun-java6-jre for the JRE [13:23] you need to have the Partner repository enabled in since lucid if you want to install it [13:23] -in [13:27] !java | lieuwe [13:27] lieuwe: To install a Java runtime on Ubuntu, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java. For the Sun Java products and browser plugin, search for the sun-java6- packages in the !partner repository on Lucid (which must be enabled), or !multiverse repository on older releases. [13:28] hmm... the text should be changed to 'Lucid and later' or '10.04 and later' [13:29] lieuwe: and after you install it, you'll probably want to run 'update-alternatives --config java' to make it default === |GuS| is now known as [GuS] [13:40] oh hai. [13:47] Hiyas all [13:51] hi [13:53] i need to setup a game tremulous can someone help me [14:04] skafti, I'm not a gamer but is it available for linux? [14:06] http://linuxgames07.blogspot.com/2007/11/top-ubuntu-linux-games.html [14:06] im not a gamer either but i got 2 boys who like to play [14:08] skafti, http://linux.about.com/od/dist_ubuntu/a/ubgtremulous.htm [14:13] thanks man i did not see it there before :) [14:15] skafti, you're welcome :) [14:31] \list [14:32] ciao [14:32] !list [14:32] This is not a file sharing channel (or network); be sure to read the channel topic. If you're looking for information about me, type « /msg ubottu !bot » [14:51] I just upgrade kde4.6 rc1 and changed keybord input method.. I can't find setting menu in systemsettings.. [14:51] how can I changed keybord input method [14:53] funcrush, system sttings/input devices [14:54] BluesKaj: I can't find it in there.. [14:54] in the kmenu? [14:55] yup [14:56] becuz of my language.. I should use nabi, not scim [14:57] funcrush, kmenu/applications /settings/ input switcher? [14:58] err input method switcher [14:59] hm... it is in there... i'll try [14:59] thank you :) [14:59] funcrush, and it coud be a bug , afterall you are running kde beta [14:59] yup.. but input method is essential [15:05] Hi all. I think I may have shot myself in the foot. Wanting to reinstall ubuntu server on a machine that had a broken hard drive, and refused to boot from USB, I decided to do the OS installation by moving the HD from one machine to another. Of course, in the process of that installation, I believe I fubar'd grub. [15:05] The "other" machine has a Raid 0 set up, which makes things REALLY complicated. I'm trying to mount the RAID volume, but it says that it is already mounted. I look at the output of "mount", but it is not showin up. Does that mean I am SOL? [15:06] Oddly enough, I am able to mount the partitions WITHIN the raid, just fine. [15:09] drkfce, what does df -h tell you ..does it show the linux partition? [15:11] BluesKaj: It shows the partition that I mounted that is within the raid, but it doesn't show the whole "drive" [15:11] drkfce: why dose it matter what the "other" mechiene has? just disable the other drives for the instolation and they should cause you a problem... (assuming your just going to install the system then move the hd back to the server and that the server dosent ahve raid) [15:12] James147: The problem is, is that I already "installed" the server os, and when I try to boot into my other partitions, it says "module not found" [15:12] drkfce: reinstall grub [15:12] !grub2 [15:12] GRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager since 9.10 (Karmic). Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub - For more information and troubleshooting for GRUB2 please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 [15:12] I'm trying to [15:12] That is the guide I'm trying to follow [15:13] I'll paste that boot info script output to a paste site, to see if that has any info [15:17] here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/548265 [15:19] when I type "sudo mount /dev/mapper/isw_dcghabhdc_Volume0 /mnt/mountpoint" it says "mount: /dev/mapper/isw_dcghabhdc_Volume0 already mounted or /mnt/mountpoint/ busy" [15:19] and I have to mount that in order to reinstall grub, correct? [15:20] drkfce: as far as I know yes... assuming its the root drive [15:21] so, am I SOL? [15:21] SOL? [15:21] out of luck [15:23] drkfce: not sure, dont know much about how raid works in linux :( [15:24] Thankfully I was able to mount the partitions and get the data off o fit [15:24] drkfce: what type of raid are you using? [15:24] 0 :( [15:24] (software/hardware/fakeraid?) [15:25] whatever is supplied by the motherboard, so I am assuming hardware [15:25] drkfce: then probally fakeraid... you might want to note that linux dosent play very well with fakeraid... [15:26] of course, heh [15:30] hi [15:31] is possible to acces internet on my phone via usb? :( :) :| ;) [15:32] do you have any ideas ?? === gp[8] is now known as tharsis [15:32] ???????? [15:33] ggeorgy: that would highly depends on the phone [15:33] ooo [15:34] i have samsung star-s5230 [15:35] so === tharsis is now known as go[42] === go[42] is now known as gp[42] [15:37] dont work? [15:38] sorry dont know that phone [15:40] http://www.phonearena.com/reviews/Samsung-Star-S5230-Review_id2179 [15:41] is a simple java phone [15:46] so .is not possible ? [15:46] Hello, I have a problem, please help me. The problem is the password which I enter during installing packages (kpackageedit) or during "kdesudo appname" command, says its invalid password. BUT the same password when entered through apt-get install or sudo in commandline works!. Please help me. [15:46] templar_: any funky characters in the password? [15:47] no [15:47] kmail [15:48] do you changed your passwd? [15:48] James147: No I have only alpahabets and nmumbers in my password [15:48] i want say: do you modifyed your pass? === ubuntu is now known as vinayak2050 === vinayak2050 is now known as ubuntu [15:49] ggeorgy: No I have not modified my password [15:50] It unexcpectedly started invalidating my password, whenver I use gui apps which require sudo password. BUT the same sudo password in terminal works [15:54] try this command: sudo passwd your_user_name [15:55] and insert your old pass [15:56] ggeorgy: It says "USER is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported." [15:56] templar_: hmm... so sudo commands dont work? [15:57] Yes I had sudo working an hour or so ago when I installed htop. Now even sudo in terminal doesnt work [15:57] templar_: are you part of teh adm and admin group? [15:58] jumpin_in_havana: Yes, this is my own PC, I just instaslled it a few days ago. How can I check that? [15:58] templar_: any chance you switched users (using su or such)? you prompt confirms you're using the user you expect? [15:58] sorry [15:59] James147: ^^ [15:59] I mean check if I am in admin group? [15:59] templar_: run "groups" in a terminal and it should tell you your groups [15:59] templar_: and/or, any chance you have a multiple-language layout, and you used the other language when the password worked? [16:00] oh lol a irc notification :/ [16:02] James147: amichair Oh I just remembered something which I did two days ago. I addded my username to www-data group to make it easier to edit files of my http [16:03] templar_: that shoudn't have affected sudo (assuming you dident remove adm or admin) [16:03] James147: must a user be in admin group in order for sudoers to apply? [16:04] James147: running groups tells there are only two groups, one my own created group and other one www-data [16:04] templar_: if you use "sudo -u www-data", does the password work? [16:04] templar_: add yourself to teh admin group [16:05] ... if you need root to do that then reboot to the revocery mode [16:05] James147: he'd need admin priviledges for that, no? :-P [16:05] amichair: :) [16:05] amichair: I didnt change lan"sudo -u www-data" doesnt ask for password [16:06] s/lan/language . [16:07] templar_: I meant "sudo -u www-data ls" (or some other command for sudo to run) [16:08] amichair: Now the same issue, it says I am not in sudoers file [16:09] templar_: ok. Is this the user you created during installation of kubuntu, or added later? [16:09] templar_: reboot to recovery mode and add your self to the admin group [16:09] Its is the only username created during installation of kubuntu. No i did not create any other user [16:10] James147: would not being in admin group remove one from sudoers file? (or give the same error message?) [16:10] James147: Sure, I would try that, but please help me with the commands since I have to logoff this PC to do that [16:11] amichair: the admin group is in the sudoers file... so anyone in the group can use sudo... hes not in the group but he needs to be [16:12] James147: oh yes, of course [16:15] nubie qwestion: how do i change the default 'konsole' shell to csh or how do i create a launcher on the desktop to open up a terminal using csh? [16:15] templar_: one way is to edit the /etc/group file and add your name to the admin group (type your name after the last : .. or if a name is already there add it to the end seperated by a comma like: "admin:x:115:james" or "admin:x:115:otheruser,james" [16:15] woodzy: create a profile for konsole [16:16] where, james? [16:16] James147: I need sudo to edit anything from /etc/group [16:17] templar_: yes... thats why you need to reboot to recvery mode... doing that you should be ablt to get a root prompt without entering a password :p assuming you dident set a password in grub for revocery menus [16:18] templar_: you can also use the adduser command, might be safer [16:18] James147: No I did not set any password for grub recovery menus. Ok I am restarting I trying that, I wil be cut off from IRC, but I have logged in from my mobile to watch helpfule comments. [16:18] amichair: thanks I will try that [16:19] amichair: probally, :) but I dont know the syntax for doing it that way :D [16:19] James147: me neither, but "adduser --help" shows the way :-) [16:19] apparently it's "adduser " [16:20] aimchair: isn't that the better way to add user to the admin group than editing /etc/group file? [16:20] amichair: ahh, yeah... over looked that bit :d [16:20] :) [16:21] I AM TEMPLAR [16:21] woodzy: yeah, using simple commands is usually safer than manually editing critical files :-) [16:23] dadag: after you've done it, use "groups " to make sure it worked [16:24] my problem: i need to either change the default shell for konsole or create a launcher on my desktop to launch csh ? [16:24] woodzy: create a profile for konsole (look at the menus) [16:25] woodzy: and obviously make sure you have csh installed [16:25] woodzy: (settings > edit profiles) [16:27] Thank you very much James147 amichair . Did "adduser MYUSERNAME MYGROUP". It works now! Thanks [16:27] templar_: cool [16:27] But any idea the reason I got myself removed from root group? [16:28] templar_: no clue how you got removed :S maby when adding yourself to the www-data group? [16:28] james: csh is installed but i do not see edit profile, do you mean account details or user management? [16:28] templar_: btw, in case you removed yourself from other groups as well, you should check what a default user gets (e.g. I have also cdrom, plugdev, adm, lpadmin... not sure what they all are though or if they are default) [16:28] woodzy: in konsole... [16:29] doh! thanks. :) [16:30] woodzy: in konsole, Settings -> Configure Profiles, create a new profile and look at the existing one if necessary (using 'Edit') to see how it should be set up - you'll just need to change the command, basically [16:31] amichair: Well even though I am not in those groups, I am only in 3 groups now, my own created group, www-data and root [16:31] amichair: Even though I am not in cdrom group, I can access files from CD [16:31] woodzy: (you should keep the current profile available since bash is used by nearly everyone - though you can change which one is default if your really need it === Guest96026 is now known as MichealH [16:37] i have my profile setup but how do i change it to the default? (don't worry i'm not getting rid of the bash profile) [16:38] woodzy: in the profile manager, 'Set as Default' button [16:38] woodzy: in a shortcut, you can run 'konsole --profile ' (without changing default) [16:39] aimchair, is it possible to create a launcher on my desktop that uses "konsole --profile " ? that'd be easier. [16:39] templar_: http://efreedom.com/Question/2-11488/Default-Groups-Assigned-First-User-Ubuntu-Server [16:40] btw, thanks james. [16:40] templar_: that's both how you probably got into this trouble, and the answer to my question :-) [16:41] woodzy: yes, when you create the shortcut use this parameter in the command you specify [16:43] but how do i create a launcher? right clicking on the desktop provides no obvious menu selection. [16:44] woodzy: right-click -> Create New... -> Link to Application [16:45] amichair: Thanks thatcleared my issue [16:45] on the desktop? all i see are: run command; add widgets; add panel; activities; lock widgets; lock screen; leave; desktop settings [16:45] templar_: great :-) [16:46] templar_: sounds like an easy mistake to make... silly interface to allow that [16:46] yes [16:46] woodzy: oh, I was looking at the Desktop Folder View [16:47] :) [16:47] maybe u can create it in any folder, and then just drag it to the desktop? [16:48] woodzy: you can create menu entries via "kmenuedit" or rightclicking kmenu > edit menu [16:49] the "desktop" can be confusing to anyone coming from... any other OS. the whole activities and containments and folder views thing is not intuitive coming from there. [16:49] thanks james. [16:49] thanks aimchair [16:49] (and frankly, doesn't add any convenience that I can think of) [16:49] woodzy: cheers :-) [16:50] i agree, aimchair, except for that minor difference, kde still is a better desktop. still, something new to get used to (like a new car). :) [16:53] heh, some gnome users won't use a Qt/kde app ,I recommended audex without realizing some ppl think kde pollutes their gnome experience :) [16:54] gnome is OK but i prefer xfce over gnome (sssshhhh....don't tell the gnomeheads) :) [16:54] apparently soundjuicer is the gnome equivalent ...it doesn't bother me to mix and match apps as long as they work [16:55] speaking of kmenuedit... is there a default icon yet for 'Development' category? [16:55] amichair, yup, I have one in the kmenu [16:56] BluesKaj: which is it? [16:56] it's ahammer [16:57] I don't see one in the system icons [16:57] applications [16:57] are there any other mp3 directory players other than amarok? [16:58] BluesKaj: not there [16:58] woodzy, I use vlc [16:58] (looking at the select icon dialog from kmenuedit, searching for 'applications' doesn't show a hammer [16:59] amarok isn't my cuppa tea anymore ...it's just too clunky and unstable [17:00] no amichair , I'm talking about kmenu / applications/development.not the menu editor [17:01] BluesKaj: yes, that's what I'm talking about too - I'm trying to change the default ugly folder icon using the menu editor [17:01] perhaps you don't have any dev apps installed [17:01] strangely, even for categories with a nice icon, clicking the icon button in the editor doesn't point to where the icon is, nor show it as one of the existing icons! [17:01] i've used vlc on windows maybe i'll give it a shot on this machine now. thanks. [17:01] where are these icons coming from? [17:02] BluesKaj: I have dev apps, just not the nice icon (I probably have it from before they set a nice icon for it, and it never changed) [17:04] amichair, click on the development in the menu editor then click on the icon that comes beside name , then choose categories in Icon sourcew [17:05] * amichair blushes [17:05] missed that dropdown... [17:05] :-) [17:06] ah, that's better. [17:06] :) [17:07] is it safe to un-install amarok if i'm using vlc as my main media player? [17:07] woodzy: yes, they are unrelated as far as I know [17:08] i just wanted to make sure i wasn't breaking my system: i.e. removing any codecs or anything when i do. :) [17:09] woodzy: worst case, you reinstall vlc and it brings back everything it needs :-) (but it shouldn't happen) [17:09] hi Kubuntu fans and experts! I have a small prob. may I ask? [17:09] tammi: go ahead (no need to ask if you can ask :-) ) [17:09] woodzy, not sure but doesn't amarok try to remove most of kde [17:09] it used to [17:11] upgraded to 10.10 and my computer wont boot anymore. It stops at grub saying: the symbol grub_xputs not found. I have raid installed. [17:11] BluesKaj: no, it would only remove metapackages if any, that's mostly harmless [17:12] tammi: hi, you might also like to try to #ubuntu-fi for finnish support [17:13] thanks, I speak not much finnish :-( just live here [17:13] ah, roger (: [17:15] Tm_T, nice , amarok is gone , without any side effects , I hope :) [17:15]