[04:27] <Fezzler> Does the CD/DVD burner program that comes with Ubuntu burn iso files/images?
[04:29] <holstein> yup
[04:29] <holstein> brasero right?
[04:30] <holstein> yup
[04:30] <holstein> right when you launch it
[04:30] <holstein> burn image
[04:34] <holstein> Fezzler: ^^
[04:40] <ailo> I just had a problem with mounting/unmounting iso's with brasero. Made it impossible to burn a cd. Seems that mounting/unmounting iso's and usb sticks have changed a bit...
[04:40] <holstein> hmmm
[04:40] <holstein> ailo: sounds like a bug
[04:41] <ailo> holstein: yes
[04:41] <holstein> i have seen brasero not able to eject the burned disc
[04:41] <ailo> It happens
[04:42] <ailo> Also,  not unmounting an iso might cause brasero not to be able to burn a cd
[04:43] <ailo> I mean, Ubuntu not unmounting an iso properly, might cause brasero not to be able to burn a cd
[04:43] <ailo> Something to do with cache
[04:43] <holstein> interesting
[04:43] <holstein> ailo: did you find a bug report to add to?
[04:45] <ailo> Didn't put my time into into it, thinking perhaps this one was one of the "common" ones.
[04:45] <holstein> you on 11.04 already?
[04:45] <ailo> Not with this
[04:45] <holstein> i havnet spent much time in 10.10 or 11.04
[04:46] <ailo> Perhaps I've spent too little time with 10.04?
[04:46] <holstein> hehe
[04:53] <ailo> Heck, it's not like Ubuntu is recommending the LTS anymore...
[05:00] <ailo> There's the "old style Desktop" with Gnome and KDE, but now we're moving on to new terrain with new hardware (Mobile interfaces).
[05:00] <holstein> i really like whats going on with unity
[05:00] <holstein> i was on the fence
[05:01] <holstein> and im still not sure how it will be for someone transitioning from windows
[05:01] <holstein> but it looks great
[05:01] <holstein> and that really doesnt need to be the goal of ubuntu... easy to transition from windows
[05:01] <holstein> it just kinda happened that way
[05:02] <holstein> i think its great that ubuntu will soon just look like ubuntu really
[05:07] <ailo> For the first time it seems a Linux based system is doing something innovative, which might even change things on a "mainstream" level. It would be great if it leads to open more open standards, anyway.
[05:12] <ailo> ...or we'll be all using Debian soon :)
[05:13] <holstein> lol
[05:28] <Fezzler> didn't work
[05:28] <Fezzler> Just copied the iso file to the CD
[05:29] <holstein> you have to choose the 'burn image' option
[05:29] <holstein> the one at the bottom
[05:30] <Fezzler> ok - dummies guide.  #1.  Downloaded file is on my desktop
[05:30] <holstein> OK
[05:30] <holstein> the whatever.iso
[05:33] <Fezzler> It is Windows Vista 32-bit Repair Disc.torrent
[05:33] <holstein> wheres the .iso?
[05:34] <Fezzler> http://neosmart.net/blog/2008/windows-vista-recovery-disc-download/
[05:34] <holstein> you'll need to use something like transmission
[05:34] <holstein> to DL the .iso using the .torrent file
[05:34] <holstein> assuming its being seeded
[05:35] <Fezzler> Download and run µTorrent.
[05:35] <Fezzler> ?
[05:36] <Fezzler> I have Transmission on my system, will that work instead?
[05:36] <ailo> Yes
[05:37] <Fezzler> So what to I do, start Transmission?
[05:37] <holstein> yup
[05:37] <holstein> and add that .torrent you DL'd
[05:37] <holstein> answer some questions
[05:37] <Fezzler> Hey guys, I'm not that smart with this new social media stuff.  Does torrent = stolen?
[05:37] <holstein> like where you want it to be DL'd
[05:38] <holstein> Fezzler: not necessarily
[05:38] <holstein> torrents are just a way to DL things
[05:38] <ailo> Just a few basic questions: Are you using Ubuntu now? Is Windows on the same computer?
[05:38] <holstein> people use torrents to do illegal things
[05:38] <Fezzler> two different PCs next to each other
[05:38] <ailo> ok
[05:39] <ailo> What's wrong with the Windows PC?
[05:40]  * holstein wonders what a windows repair disc is
[05:41] <holstein> you pretty much have the installer disc
[05:41] <Fezzler> transmission is working
[05:42] <Fezzler> Vista PC C: drive was flakey
[05:43] <ailo> Windows PC's usually have the installer software on the harddisk, meaning: you have to start the computer with an option (F2, F10) to get into the reinstall option.
[05:45] <holstein> yeah
[05:45] <ailo> The F* might be something else for you..
[05:45] <holstein> since vista for sure
[05:45] <holstein> even XP
[05:45] <ailo> By F* I of course mean something like F1, F2, F3 or something like that
[05:46] <holstein> Fezzler: which are you trying to get?
[05:47] <holstein> OH 32bit vista...
[05:47] <holstein> that one is coming in OK for me
[05:47] <holstein> hmm....
[05:47] <holstein> wonder what im DLing ;)
[05:49] <ailo> It's hard to believe somethings as good as Ubuntu are not stolen :)
[05:50] <holstein> AH
[05:50] <holstein> im reading
[05:51] <holstein> you cant install win7 or vista with these
[05:51] <holstein> they are actually repair discs
[05:51] <holstein> handy
[05:54] <ailo> There's an option to create them on MS website, but when it comes to outside of MS, who knows what it does? http://windows.microsoft.com/en-XM/windows7/Create-a-system-repair-disc
[05:59] <holstein> Fezzler: how is it going?
[06:00] <holstein> looks like im about 3 minutes from having it
[06:00] <Fezzler> ISO is downloaded
[06:00] <holstein> AH
[06:00] <holstein> there you go :)
[06:01] <Fezzler> So now I start CD/DVD Creator?
[06:01] <holstein> brasero
[06:01] <Fezzler> My first torrent!
[06:01] <holstein> good for you
[06:01] <holstein> looks like a nice and legal one too
[06:01] <Fezzler> It down loaded a second one I must have tried to get once
[06:01] <Fezzler> A book
[06:02] <Fezzler> Home Recording for Musicians for Dummies  :)
[06:02] <holstein> nice
[06:02] <holstein> i just got a nice pdf for registering at linuxtracker.org earlier
[06:02] <Fezzler> I own the print book too
[06:03] <Fezzler> For beginners, the Dummy guitar and recording books are quite good
[06:03] <holstein> yup
[06:04] <holstein> i just hung out at the studio and asked questions :)
[06:05] <Fezzler> Ok #2 - Start CD/DVD Creators
[06:05] <Fezzler> Now what
[06:05] <holstein> right
[06:05] <holstein> click on the last option there
[06:06] <Fezzler> When I open the program
[06:06] <holstein> 'burn image'
[06:06] <holstein> open brasero
[06:08] <ailo> When you put the CD in and get the option to open CD/DVD creator, just disregard it. Close everything down and go to "Applications > Sound & Video > Brasero Disc Burner"
[06:11] <holstein> im really liking the transmission web interface
[06:11] <Fezzler> brasero magic!  I burned my first ISO
[06:11] <ailo> me too, tried it on my own server. Nice to be able to do stuff from away from home
[06:12] <holstein> ailo: did you run in on something without X ?
[06:12] <holstein> im running it on a xubuntu install right now
[06:12] <ailo> yes, debian server, apache
[06:12] <ailo> no gnome
[06:12] <holstein> but i would like to run it on my server box soon
[06:12] <Fezzler> Hey dudes, I really messed up my normally smooth Ubuntu PC too. (Too much time on hand during vacation)
[06:13] <holstein> Fezzler: :/
[06:13] <holstein> how so?
[06:13] <Fezzler> ok
[06:13] <holstein> did you drop it in the hot tub?
[06:13] <Fezzler> Not sure what : / means
[06:13] <Fezzler> Does that mean you ar talking too much?
[06:13] <holstein> :)
[06:13] <holstein> is happy
[06:13] <holstein> :/ is kinda sad
[06:14] <holstein> for you
[06:14] <Fezzler> It looked like  : /   Zip it
[06:14] <holstein> borking your box
[06:14] <holstein> prolly should be :(
[06:14] <holstein> anyways, that sux that you've messed it up somehow
[06:14] <Fezzler> Well, ever since upgrade to Lucid my You Tube Videos only run at 240dpi
[06:15] <Fezzler> And my audio was not working.
[06:15] <holstein> so your audio is cool now?
[06:15] <Fezzler> So I installed some pulse audio stuff from Synaptic and and stuff
[06:15] <Fezzler> I got my Alsa audio back but video still 240dpi
[06:16] <ailo> Audo not working, do you have a pci audio card or built-in?
[06:16] <holstein> used to be, you could select the quality in youtube
[06:16] <Fezzler> But the my jackd set up (I have RT kernel) was not working.
[06:16] <holstein> but, i would look into the graphics driver
[06:16] <Fezzler> So I figured I downloaded so much crap I'd start from zero.
[06:16] <holstein> sometimes* you can have a bad time with graphics driver
[06:16] <holstein> and the RT kernel
[06:16] <Fezzler> I deleted via Synaptic ANYTHING that references Pulse audio or Jackd
[06:17] <holstein> if this is not a production audio box
[06:17] <holstein> you might want to try 10.10
[06:17] <Fezzler> When I rebooted, my desktop was gone and my user login just cycled
[06:17] <holstein> or wait for 11.04
[06:17] <Fezzler> So, I reinstalled my desktop
[06:17] <holstein> Fezzler: you wiped it
[06:17] <holstein> and reinstalled what?
[06:17] <holstein> 10.04?
[06:17] <holstein> ubuntu studio?
[06:17] <Fezzler> But now my OS is VERY sluggish and I still have all the same problem I started with
[06:18] <ailo> Fezzler: On Ubuntu you'll propably be happiest with Pulseaudio, if it works.
[06:18] <holstein> yeah, pulse is the way to go
[06:18] <holstein> unless something is broken
[06:18] <holstein> its kinda what everything 'expects'
[06:18] <Fezzler> By sluggish I mean click on file folders, long delay, my browsers page switching delays
[06:18] <holstein> Fezzler: i would run a generic kernel
[06:19] <holstein> try sorting out the graphics driver
[06:19] <holstein> nvidia?
[06:19] <holstein> maybe you can try the proprietary drivers
[06:19] <holstein> get everything rockin and rollin
[06:19] <Fezzler> But holstein man, you were the one who encouraged me to install RT, zap pulse and we did some magic that got me really great jackd performance with Ardour
[06:19] <holstein> then, move on to a different kernel if you need
[06:19] <ailo> sluggish could be anything. For me it is almost always because of flashplayer.
[06:19] <holstein> Fezzler: i didnt say 'zap pulse'
[06:20] <Fezzler> nvidia
[06:20] <Fezzler> holstein:  Ha
[06:20] <Fezzler> Sorry.
[06:20] <ailo> Flashplayer seems to cache stuff on ram...
[06:20] <Fezzler> You are a good man!
[06:20] <holstein> :)
[06:20] <Fezzler> So what do I do
[06:20] <holstein> i would look into the graphics driver
[06:20] <Fezzler> help me work some command line magic and whip this beast back into shape
[06:20] <holstein> with a gerneric kernel running
[06:21] <holstein> get that solid
[06:21] <holstein> and go from there
[06:21] <holstein> you probably dont need an RT kernel
[06:21] <holstein> and the gerneric kernel is getting better all the time
[06:21] <Fezzler> I have the driver for my board but for some reason (the RT kernal) it will not install
[06:21] <holstein> thats plausible
[06:22] <holstein> Fezzler: what are you planning on doing with JACK ?
[06:22] <holstein> realtime effects and playing software synths is really what *requires* lower latency
[06:23] <holstein> i usually suggest trying the generic one
[06:23] <Fezzler> NVIDIA-Linux-x86-100.14.19-pkg1.run
[06:23] <holstein> then moving up
[06:23] <Fezzler> That is the driver that worked best with my PC until lucid
[06:23] <holstein> Fezzler: you should get a prompt
[06:23] <holstein> go to...
[06:24] <Fezzler> Holstein.  All I want to do is record some midi and guitar with Ardour
[06:24] <holstein> system - administration- additional drivers
[06:24] <holstein> and see if the proprietary nvidia is listed there
[06:24] <holstein> Fezzler: i dont think you *need* an RT kernel
[06:24] <Fezzler> I don't care if it is Pulse, Alsa, OGG, Jackd, Core whatever.  As long as I can track and burn MP3 via LAME
[06:25] <holstein> *export mp3?
[06:25] <Fezzler> I listen to too many people.  Bunch of jackd fan boys told me the RT is best for low latency I think
[06:25] <ailo> Fezzler: please try the nvidia stuff included in Ubuntu. They usually work better in my experience.
[06:25] <holstein> you wouldnt want to burn mp3's necessarily
[06:25] <Fezzler> Render MP3  :)
[06:25] <holstein> AH
[06:26] <holstein> Fezzler: and that is still true
[06:26] <holstein> but if you dont need the crazy low latency
[06:26] <holstein> the generic kernel is do-able
[06:26] <holstein> and more friendly for your needs all around i bet
[06:26] <Fezzler> I have the nvidia-173 on my system
[06:27] <holstein> Fezzler: its installed already?
[06:27] <Fezzler> It works but I can't seem to get compiz stuff to work now either.  I had it with 173 but screwed that up too
[06:27] <ailo> Fezzler: just go with the "recommeded" option when you get the "additional drivers option".
[06:27] <Fezzler> :)  Maybe I should have linux - I can never leave it alone!
[06:27] <holstein> nah, you gotta mess with it
[06:27] <ailo> What nvidia card do you have?
[06:27] <holstein> thats how you learn :)
[06:28] <Fezzler> So should I bother to "back out" the RT kernel?
[06:28] <Fezzler> I mean, is it hurting me?  And why is my browser, apps and folder switching getting "stuck" or delayed?
[06:29] <Fezzler> ailo>> GeoForce FX 5500 APG
[06:29] <ailo> What kind of system do you have? P4?
[06:29] <Fezzler> ailo>> or AGP - whatever that old graphics slot was called
[06:29] <ailo> How much ram?
[06:30] <Fezzler> 768?
[06:30] <Fezzler> Oh, on the GeoForce
[06:30] <Fezzler> 128
[06:31] <ailo> No, on the system itself. Is it Pentium 4, Celeron,  AMD... what type
[06:31] <ailo> How much RAM memory do you have?
[06:32] <ailo> If you have 512MB of RAM or less, you might have performance problems
[06:32] <Fezzler> 768 on my "Frankenstein", let-learn-what-this-linux-is-all-about, Goodwill, AMD Athlon K6-266
[06:32] <Fezzler> And I have to tell you, even Lucid is fast on this old hack
[06:33] <Fezzler> I got 768 ram
[06:33] <holstein> you can just boot the generic kernel
[06:33] <ailo> The K6 is an old one.
[06:33] <holstein> you didnt uninstall it i bet
[06:34] <Fezzler> Holstein - doesn't Ardour require Jackd?
[06:34] <holstein> maybe not
[06:34] <holstein> but you wouldnt want to use it without it
[06:34] <ailo> But the graphic card should do
[06:34] <holstein> i have several different kernels on my EEE
[06:35] <holstein> and i just choose at boot which i want
[06:35] <Fezzler> yea, the graphics card I bet helps this old dog.  I bet an old soundblaster card would too.  Get as much off the CPU as possib;le
[06:35] <holstein> Fezzler: OH
[06:35] <holstein> i took a picture the other day
[06:35] <holstein> of a stack of SB cards here at a goodwill
[06:35] <Fezzler> OH - Ohio?
[06:35] <Fezzler> Great song
[06:36] <ailo> Perhaps the CPU is the problem? But you say you had good results before?
[06:36] <Fezzler> Goodwill in Charlotte?
[06:36] <Fezzler> ComputerWorks?
[06:36] <holstein> the one here actuall
[06:36] <holstein> y
[06:36] <holstein> but i saw some there too
[06:36] <Fezzler> Last time I went there they had none and I hear Ubutunu does well with sound blasters
[06:36] <holstein> i guess
[06:37] <holstein> if your on an internal card
[06:37] <Fezzler> Great results
[06:37] <holstein> id say, boot the gerneric kernel
[06:37] <holstein> hunker down
[06:37] <holstein> and hope for the best
[06:38] <Fezzler> I am so glad I learned Ubuntu - when my Vista HD was dying a little Samba and I off-loaded all my iTunes and I'm looking forward to restoring them
[06:38] <ailo> I've ran different low-latency linux based systems on Pentium 3 and early AMD sempron with good results. Haven't bothered with graphics though.
[06:38] <Fezzler> So what is the deal with only getting 240dpi in You Tube?
[06:39] <Fezzler> I mean, I get 340, 720 but then the audio and video are out of sync.  All worked in Gutsy, Hardy, Intrepid, Jaunty, K?
[06:39] <ailo> Fezzler: CPU, most propably, since graphic cards don't seem to do much good with flashplayer
[06:40] <ailo> At least on Linux
[06:40] <holstein> yeah, i see stuff like that with my VIA chip
[06:40] <holstein> and the EEE too if its bogged down too much
[06:40] <ailo> html5 is an option, though. Don't know what that will do for you. Try www.youtube.com/html5
[06:41] <holstein> so far, its been an improvement for me
[06:42] <Fezzler> holstein>> do you use Ardour and Jackd?  What do you track with?
[06:42] <ailo> Fezzler: Interesting that it used to work for you, but not now. Can't get good performance myself on Geforce3
[06:43] <holstein> Fezzler: you mean interface?
[06:43] <Fezzler> Should I do a fresh install of just the Audio portion of UbuntuStudio?
[06:43] <Fezzler> NVIDIA-Linux-x86-100.14.19-pkg1.run  <-  ran best with this
[06:44] <ailo> Hope I'm not misunderstanding, but the audio porion won't have any effect on Youtube or any other flashplayer type of thing.
[06:44] <holstein> you could try http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=60483
[06:45] <holstein> something more light-weight than gnome
[06:45] <ailo> Fezzler: Do you find better performancew with the NVIDIA-Linux... driver than the one included in the distro?
[06:45] <Fezzler> I did
[06:46] <Fezzler> and compiz worked without elaborate edits to config settings and files I can never remember
[06:46] <ailo> Good to know. I should try it myself!
[06:46] <Fezzler> No compiz now  :/
[06:46] <holstein> lol
[06:46] <holstein> compiz on a K6
[06:46] <holstein> i had one of those, and i was glad to just see a desktop
[06:46] <holstein> after a couple minutes
[06:48] <ailo> Considering the amount of data processed by those processors, one wonders why we need these new one's..
[06:49] <holstein> true
[06:49] <ailo> A lot of dead calculation
[06:49] <holstein> i do alright on my EEE
[06:49] <holstein> almost always plenty for what i need
[06:49] <ailo> Can't get low latency on mine
[06:49] <ailo> Otherwise I'd consider it for live use
[06:50] <holstein> the EEE?
[06:50] <ailo> Yes
[06:50] <holstein> i dont think i can get much under 20
[06:50] <ailo> That seems to be the same for me
[06:51] <ailo> I think I need 10 ms. Need to do tests to make sure
[06:51] <Fezzler> any idea how to trouble shoot my huge delay in folder activity and browser and app switching?
[06:51] <Fezzler> It all worked before
[06:51] <ailo> Nautilus?
[06:52] <Fezzler> holstein>> yea, what do you record with? Which DAW?  Jackd?
[06:53] <Fezzler> Worked with Lucid before I zapped my desktop and had to reinstall it
[06:53] <Fezzler> remember, I went to Synapic and deleted any app or file that mentioned pulse or jacks
[06:53] <Fezzler> Ubuntu no like that!
[06:53] <ailo> With the AMD K6 I would either try to hold on to old versions of a distro or try some really light weight distro. Just fooling around with Lubuntu and its' file-manager was an eye-opener
[06:54] <Fezzler> too many distros for one lifetime
[06:54] <holstein> i use ardour and JACK
[06:54] <ailo> I also made my own file-manager with the audio program called "Pure Data". Nautilus could not compare in speed.
[06:55] <holstein> ailo: nice :)
[06:55] <holstein> PD is one of those things i hope i have time to learn someday
[06:55] <ailo> Once you get hooked ;)
[06:56] <Fezzler> So, pen in hand, next time I go to Goodwill looking for nice Ubuntu upgrade PC, what specs
[06:56] <Fezzler> Remember, this is goodwill?
[06:56] <holstein> i got a nice P4
[06:56] <holstein> 2.2 or so
[06:56] <holstein> for $10
[06:56] <holstein> i had a gig or ram and a hard drive here already
[06:56] <holstein> gotta be careful with the graphics though
[06:56] <holstein> you just never know
[06:57] <holstein> ive taken live CD's in that goodwill before
[06:57] <ailo> I'd say that is safe too... 512MB minimum, 3GB for a newer AMD
[06:57] <holstein> they dont care
[06:57] <holstein> if you go for the "as-is" ones
[06:57] <Fezzler> They also have prices too high
[06:58] <ailo> I got a PC for around 200$, AMD X2, 3 GB RAM, exluding the hard drive though. Propably cheaper now.
[06:58] <Fezzler> What they charge for memory and refurbished PC is a joke
[06:58] <holstein> yeah, you have to refurbish it
[06:58] <Fezzler> taking advantage of people if you ask me
[06:59] <holstein> as long as they keep that cheap pile on the other shelf, i dont care
[06:59] <ailo> Old hardware seems to be more expensive by the byte
[06:59] <holstein> they gotta pay the techs i suppose
[06:59] <holstein> ailo: i agree with that
[06:59] <holstein> if you can come up with 300 bucks
[06:59] <holstein> you can get a lot of computer
[06:59] <Fezzler> and now they throw out all the good real old junk like tandy and commodore, etc
[06:59] <Fezzler> shame
[07:00] <ailo> Still got an Atari, modded, 1024/2048, but what the hell should I do with that other than sell it?
[07:01] <Fezzler> well - one more beer for me then bed
[07:01] <ailo> Fezzler: If we wait long enough, it won't be worth the dust it wieghs
[07:02] <Fezzler> downloading 108 updates for Vista Factory recovery and it failed the first time
[07:02] <Fezzler> worth is relative
[07:03] <Fezzler> see ya gents
[07:03] <Fezzler> gotto run
[07:03] <ailo> Fezzler: Always!
[07:03] <Fezzler> holstein>> I may hit ComputerWorks tomorrow
[07:03] <Fezzler> thanks ailo
[07:03] <holstein> i go everytime im in charlotte
[07:03] <holstein> and i go to the one here every thursday
[07:04] <Fezzler> fun stuff
[07:04] <holstein> yup
[07:04] <holstein> alrght... bedtime
[07:04] <holstein> GN
[07:05] <Fezzler> www.club100.org
[07:05] <Fezzler> one of my other useless hobbies
[07:05] <Fezzler> g nite