[01:06] <lighta> where can I found the java cache ?
[01:50] <lighta> dec2010, so did you found it on logitheque ?
[01:50] <lighta> I'm guessing you're looking for runtime environment yeah ?
[01:51] <dec2010> i just got xubuntu yesterday
[01:51] <dec2010> im so new it aint funny
[01:51] <lighta> =) you'll get use too
[01:51] <lighta> command line is a big part of unix also
[01:51] <dec2010> where is logitheque
[01:51] <lighta> well in my opinion is more faster
[01:51] <lighta> I told you
[01:52] <lighta> menu->parameter->Ubuntu Logiteque
[01:52] <dec2010> i liked it till i tried today to install securities an java
[01:52] <lighta> found it ?
[01:53] <dec2010> i see applications  / places
[01:53] <lighta> do you have the menu ?
[01:55] <lighta> ok you may be able to do it this way too. right click on desktop->application->parameter->Ubuntu Logiteque
[01:55] <lighta> or just run a command line with
[01:55] <lighta> sudo apt-get install java
[02:31] <dec2010> do  i have a gnome or kde desktop
[02:37] <charlie-tca> dec2010: if you installed Xubuntu, you do not gnome or kde desktop, you have an Xfce desktop
[02:37] <dec2010> ty
[02:38] <charlie-tca> a lot of the information for gnome will be good, though. Kde is very different
[02:39] <dec2010> im tryin to update java but i think xubuntu does it for me,  even though when i go an verify java it says i need the latest
[02:40] <charlie-tca> how are you trying to update it?
[02:41] <dec2010> well i went to my software list an cant find how to update it
[02:41] <dec2010> it looks old  to me
[02:42] <dec2010> i just started out on xubuntu yesterday
[02:43] <charlie-tca> then it is probably up-to-date for the version of Xubuntu
[02:43] <dec2010> so im very lost an need to prolly just get away
[02:43] <dec2010> i cant believe theres no security tools like antivirus or antispyware/malware
[02:44] <charlie-tca> There is no need for any.
[02:44] <dec2010> or a  cleanup disk / defrag
[02:44] <dec2010> but i go online
[02:44] <charlie-tca> The file system is very different from what windows uses.
[02:45] <dec2010> so  xubuntu takes care of all security ???
[02:45] <charlie-tca> There really is no need to fragment a drive the way windows does
[02:45] <charlie-tca> for a desktop installation, yes
[02:45] <dec2010> this is a desktop
[02:46] <dec2010> an old one. just to see if i like it
[02:46] <charlie-tca> This is pretty secure operating system.
[02:46] <dec2010> so dont install anything like avg  ?
[02:47] <lighta> don't really need so
[02:47] <charlie-tca> no
[02:47] <lighta> you'll need to specify wich file can run or not anyway
[02:47] <dec2010> ok that helps me feel better
[02:47] <charlie-tca> there is a virus checker for those who keep windows files and share them with windows. Otherwise, you do not need one
[02:47] <charlie-tca> I have not used a virus checker in 5 years now
[02:48] <dec2010> oh i dont like goin in a registry an i think the terminal is the registry ???
[02:48] <dec2010> so xubuntu updates everything,  i  had 152 updates when i installed from a cd
[02:49] <dec2010> i also see i have 122 processes running in task manager
[02:49] <charlie-tca> The closest thing to a registry is /etc, where the configuration files are kept.
[02:50] <dec2010> 5 years ?  you do banking online with that computer ?
[02:50] <charlie-tca> After those updates, your system should be ready to use
[02:50] <charlie-tca> I used to, I don't anymore, because I have no need to.
[02:50] <charlie-tca> I have all my banking files on this computer, though
[02:51] <dec2010> well it does move well except some sites move wavy like maybe i need  a newer java or adobe flash
[02:51] <dec2010> oh ok
[02:53] <dec2010> i  think i'll just let things be fer now
[02:53] <dec2010> glad  i found this room , i was losing hair fast
[02:54] <dec2010> its tough to find a chat that knows about xubuntu
[02:56] <charlie-tca> that's because we all hang out here
[02:58] <dec2010> ok it says i got a clam av installed
[02:58] <dec2010> im searching my software
[02:59] <dec2010> must of come with those 152 updates
[02:59] <charlie-tca> You must have installed clam av. There really is no need for it in Xubuntu
[03:00] <charlie-tca> You can open Synaptic Package Manager or Software Center to install programs. There is no need to download them from anywhere.
[03:00] <dec2010> no i just searched my xubuntu software an it came up in the search
[03:01] <charlie-tca> It will show in search, but it might not all be installed. there are thousands of programs available
[03:01] <dec2010> actually it says ubuntu software center
[03:01] <dec2010> oh ok
[03:01] <dec2010> thanks
[03:01] <charlie-tca> yeah, not all of those are installed
[03:02] <dec2010> whew  thers zillions in the list
[03:02] <dec2010> srry about my poor typos , i been at this alot too much
[03:03] <charlie-tca> To see what is installed, go to Applications -> Accessories -> Application Finder
[03:03] <dec2010> ok
[03:04] <charlie-tca> or just look in the menus.
[03:04] <dec2010> omg... i could get lost there, it's like the mall
[03:06] <charlie-tca> That's why you start with the menus. ESC or clicking the desktop closes menus
[03:07] <dec2010> your right i got alot of learning to do ,  just like when i  1st started out on windows 98
[03:08] <dec2010> not bad for my  1st time with the system loaded though
[03:09] <dec2010> i didnt know my computer name would be my chat nick   lol
[03:10] <lighta> you can change this
[03:10] <istmelighta> just do /nick "name"
[03:10] <dec2010> ok
[03:11] <RWF> oh cool
[03:11] <RWF> ty
[03:11] <lighta> =) what RWF mean ?
[03:11] <lighta> oups kinda off topic
[03:11] <RWF> will it be that when i come in again  ?
[03:11] <lighta> hmm are you on x-chat ?
[03:11] <RWF> RWF  =  RedWingsFan
[03:12] <RWF> idk
[03:12] <lighta> what is your irc client ?
[03:12] <RWF> i found the chat on my  computer somewhere
[03:12] <charlie-tca> Only if you register your nick. Otherwise someone else can use it
[03:12] <RWF>  dont ask me where as im frazzled  lol
[03:12] <charlie-tca> !register
[03:13] <lighta> let's start define his nick on irc client charlie-tca
[03:13] <lighta> by the way there an french unbutu channel if you prefer RWF
[03:13] <RWF> let me get a paper an pen or i'll ferget
[03:13] <RWF> im in detroit
[03:14] <lighta> do you have an XChat menu on you left up corner ?
[03:15] <charlie-tca> lighta: it won't make any difference if the nick is not registered and someone else uses it
[03:15] <RWF> yes
[03:16] <lighta> true, but he must know how to define his nick for his client
[03:16] <lighta> ok open it and do network list
[03:17] <RWF> will i lose this chat if i click on it ?
[03:17] <lighta> you'll have a windows where you can set your nickname for your next connexion on this server
[03:17] <lighta> you wont
[03:17] <RWF> ok
[03:18] <lighta> found it ?
[03:18] <lighta> !register
[03:21] <RWF> got a security warning
[03:22] <lighta> ok you did it ?
[03:22] <lighta> now you should go on freenode and register your nick
[03:22] <lighta> with something like this
[03:22] <RWF>  sudo update-java-alternatives
[03:22] <RWF> oops
[03:23] <lighta> ./msg nickserv register "name" "email"
[03:23] <RWF> https://help.ubuntu.com/search.html?cof=FORID%3A9&cx=004599128559784038176%3Avj_p0xo-nng&ie=UTF-8&q=nick&sa=Search
[03:54] <RWF> quiet room
[03:56] <RWF> Thanks Charlie  and Lighta  imma  go,  take care
[05:46] <well_laid_lawn> is there anything extra I need to get xfce working well with a laptop? the "battery is charging" notification keeps popping up and some options in the power manager are greyed out
[06:25] <CloseYetFar> Anyone not idling?
[06:28] <pleia2> CloseYetFar: you can just ask your question :)
[06:28] <pleia2> !ask
[06:30] <CloseYetFar> Well I really didnt have a question but ussally this channel moves a little faster
[06:31] <pleia2> it tends to be quieter this time of day (middle of the night for europeans and US east-coasters)
[06:32] <CloseYetFar> yea thats true
[06:34] <lighta> half sleeping here  ! what's your question ?
[06:36] <CloseYetFar> why its so quiet in here lol
[06:38] <lighta> well it's not #ubuntu, it's nice this way =)
[06:40] <CloseYetFar> Thats cool
[08:04] <hagg> hi guys, tried it on #ubuntu but they seem busy. afaik i changed nothing on the system, when sound stops working. (audio- and video-)programs run, but way too fast, and there is no real audio output at all. the only ting that seems to work is wine (using alsa). every native linux program i tried has the problem (mocp, mpg123, mplayer(with audio and video), totem), with pulseaudio and with alsa instead of pulse, in xfce as well as directly on the ...
[08:04] <hagg> ... console, after fresh reboot, before and after i started wine (with sound), after a "/sbin/alsa force-reload", and i didnt find anything useful in syslog or messages. any hints where i can look further for the cause?
[08:06] <well_laid_lawn> vids and audio are playing too fast?
[08:07] <hagg> yes, progressbars/displayed time increases very fast, videoplayback is on "fast forward"
[08:08] <well_laid_lawn> I've never had that issue - seems weird
[08:08] <hagg> but no sound output at all.  but the program seem to think they have audio output "mplayer -ao null .." has normal video "mplayer -ao pulse .." and "pulseaudio --kill && mplayer -- ao alsa .." have the described problem
[08:09] <hagg> sry for typos, netbook keyboard ;)
[08:09] <well_laid_lawn> I would blame pulseaudio for it personally - never heard of that happening before it came along
[08:10] <hagg> yes, i blamed pulse too, so i killed it, and tried "mplayer -ao alsa ..". but there is the problem too
[08:11] <hagg> and mplayer&co dont display any error messages. it seems the programs "think" sound is working correctly
[08:12] <hagg> afaik mplayer uses the sound device for timing the video frames (as probably any media player does), that would explain why the program run too fast
[08:13] <hagg> but i have no clue where to look for the cause
[08:14] <hagg> the only thing i did between sound-working and sound-doesnt-work-anymore was installing a windows-program in my users wine-direcory.
[08:14] <hagg> that could hardly change anything on the system and for other users, especially after a reboot, when i didnt start wine before testing sound
[08:16] <well_laid_lawn> I don't know where to start debugging something like this let me have a google
[08:19] <well_laid_lawn> hagg: this is in a normal install not in vmware?
[08:20] <hagg> no, not in vmware
[08:21] <well_laid_lawn> hagg: from google you need to use oss instead of alsa then - you should mention that sort of thing at the start :)
[08:22] <well_laid_lawn> sorry disregard above statement
[08:23] <well_laid_lawn> hagg: nothing in google except vmware stuff sorry
[08:24] <hagg> i tried google before i asked, too. but also no luck :(
[08:24] <hagg> but thank you anyway
[08:24] <well_laid_lawn> everything was about vmware - try oss maybe
[08:25] <well_laid_lawn> or a diff vid with diff audio rate
[08:25] <hagg> i tried several videos, several audios, with several players
[08:25] <well_laid_lawn> k
[08:26] <well_laid_lawn> hagg: has it ever been working fine?
[08:27] <hagg> yes, yesterday it worked
[08:27] <well_laid_lawn> what happened since?
[08:30] <hagg> soudn worked, then i transcoded some videos (changed cpu governors to performance), changed the governors back to powersave, installed my old dune2000 in wine (there the sound works), then sound doesnt work any more.   i tried already different cpu scalings (different governors and fixed cpu frequencies), i deleted my whole ~/.wine
[08:30] <hagg> i reinstalled dune2000 in wine, there sound still works, thats the weirdest part for me
[08:31] <well_laid_lawn> seems obvious that wine changed the sound properties - what rate is the sound in dune2000?
[08:33] <hagg> but when i install something in wine, that cannot change anything systemwide, can it?  and i have the soundproblem even after a reboot before i even touch wine
[08:33] <hagg> i dont know what rate the sound in dune2k has, but i assume it is 44.1k or less. the game is >10 years old
[08:36] <Sysi> killing pulseaudio don't help, if program uses it it starts it again
[08:36] <hagg> i have added autospawn=no to ~/pulse/client.conf
[08:37] <hagg> so it keeps killed, i think
[08:37] <Sysi> i'd still remove it if you don't need it
[08:37] <Sysi> or you could try something with pavucontrol (pulseaudio setup)
[08:38] <hagg> ok, i will try that, thanks
[08:53] <hagg> Sysi, thanks! somehow pavucontrol fixed the problem. the only thing i changed was changed the fallback-device(?) (the button with tooltip "set to fallback") from the hdmi-audio-output of the video card to the other device (internal audio analog stereo)
[08:54] <hagg> i had not thought that pulse could cause the problem if it does not run (checked that with ps)
[08:55] <hagg> well_laid_lawn: also thanks to you for trying to help
[08:55] <Sysi> using alsa directly can mess pulseaudio
[09:01] <well_laid_lawn> it's working hagg ?
[09:01] <well_laid_lawn> I was afk for a bit...
[09:02] <hagg> well_laid_lawn: it is working now. it is working so good, that i cannot even reproduce the problem (i tried to find out what exactly caused it, to avoid or workaround it in future)
[09:03] <well_laid_lawn> all I can say then is !woot
[09:03] <hagg> it seems that pulse was to blame, but i still dont know how (as it was not running - checked it with ps)
[09:04] <well_laid_lawn> it prob changed some setting somewhere - it is evil..
[09:05] <hagg> i ran pavucontrol (pulse config gui) only in userspace, so i think it could only have changed something in my home directory. i was trying to reproduce the problem and check if an "rm ~/.pulse" would have fixed the problem too
[09:06] <hagg> -in userspace +with my default user
[09:07] <well_laid_lawn> pulse makes dirs in /tmp too\
[09:07] <well_laid_lawn> *too
[09:08] <hagg> so, now everything works fine, time for breakfast :)
[09:08] <hagg> thanks again to both of you
[09:08] <well_laid_lawn> :-)
[09:53] <UBuxuBU> seems odd i cant use my wubi anymore
[09:53] <UBuxuBU> cant get online wireless with it anymore
[11:35] <GeoZoo> hey everybody
[12:17] <jps> which distro is Russia using? http://linux.slashdot.org/story/10/12/27/2025258/Putin-Orders-Russian-Move-To-GNULinux
[12:18] <TheSheep> they had something for schools, forgot what it was called
[12:19] <jps> in Soviet Russia, your distro orders the government to switch to it
[12:21] <TheSheep> open source or not, I can't imagine using any software that you don't have the sources for in things like army
[12:21] <TheSheep> they don't have to be open, but you have to have them
[12:24] <Sysi> looks like just generally free software
[12:27] <Sysi> anybody using bluetooth mouse/keyboard? does blueman have nice autoconnect/authorisation or does gnome-bluetooth or whatever work better?
[12:29] <Sysi> i'm considering getting apple magic trackpad
[12:40] <TheSheep> Sysi: why?
[12:40] <TheSheep> Sysi: get a wacom bamboo instead
[12:43] <Sysi> i's not as good and what i've heard, not good anycase
[12:45] <TheSheep> don't say
[12:46] <TheSheep> what's wrong with it?
[12:47] <Sysi> for me, compared to apple, clicking sucks
[12:47] <knome> wacom == good
[12:48] <Sysi> cheap wacom = good?
[12:48] <knome> define cheap wacom. cheaper than aiptek? :P
[12:48] <TheSheep> knome: it's not a tablet, just a touchpad
[12:49] <TheSheep> one of those days I'm going to get myself a cintiq 12WX
[12:49] <TheSheep> when I
[12:49] <TheSheep> 'm very rich
[12:49] <knome> hah
[12:50] <Sysi> what's configuring wacoms like?
[12:50] <knome> can be a pain now that wacomcpl has been removed from the repositories ...
[12:50] <Sysi> i hate that absolute position, or cursor moving without touching
[12:52] <TheSheep> Sysi: you are talking about tablets
[12:52] <Sysi> TheSheep: touch model is very different?
[12:53] <TheSheep> Sysi: it's a touchpad
[12:53] <TheSheep> Sysi: there is also a table with touchpad
[12:53] <knome> touchpad == no pressure sensing?
[12:53] <TheSheep> tablet
[12:53] <TheSheep> knome: remember how the old wacoms had those touch strips/circles?
[12:53] <knome> barely
[12:54] <TheSheep> knome: now the whole tablet is touch sensitive -- basically two devices in one
[12:54] <knome> right
[12:54] <TheSheep> knome: you can use pan on it for drawing, and touchpad for scrolling, for example
[12:54] <knome> mmh
[12:54] <TheSheep> the computer sees it as two devices
[12:54] <knome> yeah
[12:54] <TheSheep> no idea how that works in practice, but sounds cool
[12:55] <Sysi> apple is cheaper
[12:56] <Sysi> although tablet would be cool to have too
[12:56] <TheSheep> wacom touchpad is 20$ cheaper...
[12:56] <TheSheep> again, no idea how it compares
[12:57] <knome> i suppose it's not two *devices*; the system also senses multiple "modes" on the "old" wacoms ('eraser' is different from 'stylus' etc)
[12:57] <TheSheep> that's something else
[12:57] <TheSheep> that's the stylus id
[12:57] <Sysi> i wonder if device you're talking about is available in finland..
[12:58] <TheSheep> on more expensive wacoms you can have dozens of different pens, and each remembers different settings
[12:58] <knome> but you can apply different modes/stuff to different stylus ids
[12:58] <knome> yeah, i'd like one of those...
[12:58] <TheSheep> but you cannot easily scroll with eraser, I think
[12:58] <TheSheep> that would actually be cool
[12:58] <knome> i just haven't figured out what the reason is to buy one
[12:59] <knome> when i do, i'll probably buy one
[12:59] <TheSheep> I have one, it's not as useful as one would expect
[12:59] <knome> yeah.
[12:59] <knome> but better than my a6 wacom
[12:59] <TheSheep> it's great if you are retouching photos or doing digital painting
[12:59] <Sysi> ah, finger-only is cheaper
[13:00] <Sysi> there's dual model too
[13:00] <knome> well, doing work with it; maybe not retouching much or painting digitally much, but something in between maybe...
[13:01] <TheSheep> I made a presentation with it recently
[13:01] <knome> dare to share?
[13:01] <TheSheep> it's in polish, and the slides have practically no text
[13:01] <TheSheep> http://www.sheep.art.pl/misc/009.png <-- example
[13:02] <TheSheep> it's about usability
[13:02] <knome> okay
[13:02] <knome> that looks pretty much the same you can do with my a6 tablet as well
[13:02] <knome> :)
[13:02] <TheSheep> you can read a short summary here: http://www.sheep.art.pl/2010-11-02_usability
[13:02] <TheSheep> knome: that *was* done with a5 tablet
[13:02] <knome> a6 != a5 :]
[13:02] <TheSheep> little difference
[13:02] <knome> on the other hand
[13:03] <knome> the a6 device is so cute and small you could even carry it with you
[13:03] <TheSheep> btw, mypaint is great for digital painitng
[13:03] <knome> i personally prefer inkscape over anything, but yeah, i've tried mypaint and it's cool
[13:04] <TheSheep> inkscpae is kinda for a different purpose
[13:04] <knome> yeah
[13:04] <knome> worksforme pretty awesomely :)
[13:04] <knome> i *always* want to tweak and pinch
[13:09] <Sysi> MTp would still be better as mouse
[13:09] <Sysi> it should work well with maverick
[13:12] <GeoZoo> some good with wlan? :D
[13:13] <psycho_oreos> still haven't got that issue solved?
[13:13] <GeoZoo> nop
[13:13] <psycho_oreos> you tried wicd to see if it works?
[13:13] <GeoZoo> same problems seens 2 years :D
[13:14] <psycho_oreos> as in wicd won't even work with it?
[13:14] <GeoZoo> i tried nm, wicd, wpa_supplicant (by console)
[13:14] <psycho_oreos> networkmanager and wicd both have frontend I believe and both requires user intervention
[13:15] <psycho_oreos> none of those work well with each other.. they all need to be stopped and I'm not sure how it will work if they still have claim rights to the device
[13:16] <psycho_oreos> afaik under nm if you disable managing of the wireless through the GUI you can use wpa_supplicant or have direct control over wireless
[13:17] <GeoZoo> i still think it is not an issue with this programs, since i had the same problem with gentoo where i never used such programs
[13:17] <psycho_oreos> you need to use wpa_supplicant in the very least, it allows you to connect to networks easily with profiles and what not
[13:18] <well_laid_lawn> need the driver for the card first
[13:18] <psycho_oreos> and like I said I've had this issue before with nm tampering my ath5k device, when I disable the wireless under nm-applet I could do whatever I want with the device
[13:18] <psycho_oreos> no need
[13:21] <psycho_oreos> actually now I'm facing that issue as well lol
[13:23] <psycho_oreos> hmm think I may have fixed it, disable wireless under nm-applet, reload ath5k and now wlan0 declares to be up under ifconfig
[13:23] <psycho_oreos> yeah its working
[13:30] <GeoZoo> arg, ok, i checked again and there are still 3 parts of network-manager installed... sry
[13:31] <GeoZoo> i deinstall this, maybe this helps
[13:55] <GeoZoo> ok, i deinstalled network-manager :) and killed wicd and wpa_supplicant
[16:01] <JakeGrey> So... Apologies if this is a stupid question, but does Ubuntu's ARM support also apply to Xubuntu?
[16:02] <charlie-tca> JakeGrey: not at this time
[16:04] <JakeGrey> Damn. Can anyone recommend an alternative? Netbook Remix is going to struggle with the machine I have in mind.
[16:05] <Sysi> charlie-tca: no built xfce packages or just no installation media?
[16:07] <charlie-tca> the ARM support has not been ported to xubuntu
[16:08] <charlie-tca> I don't know if it is even possible to install Xubuntu-desktop in Netbook Remix
[16:27] <ubuntu> Hi!
[16:28] <ubuntu> there are drivers for gma500 on xubuntu 10.04
[16:28] <ubuntu> ?
[16:28] <ubuntu> it is a question
[16:28] <knome> errr
[18:08] <nicofs_> What would be the best software to (easily) convert video files? need to convert 720p *.mkv to anything less than that... my netbook dies trying to play that^^
[18:09] <B-r00t> ffmpeg
[18:10] <B-r00t> winff is gui
[18:10] <B-r00t> sudo apt-get install ffmpeg winff
[18:11] <B-r00t> ex: ffmpeg -i film.mkv -acodec mp3 -vcodec mpeg4 -sameq film.avi
[18:19] <bittin> bittin@jabber.se i need more geeks to chat with :)
[18:23] <Myrtti> bittin: have you considered that you may be reported for spamming?
[18:23] <bittin> no :(
[18:23] <Myrtti> thought so.
[18:31] <Flyingsky> hallo
[18:33] <bittin> hi
[22:04] <woodzy> jake grey have you tried lubuntu?