[00:38] <lengau> @woodzy - try 'sudo apt-get -f install' to make sure the install didn't break halfway through. That happened to me a while back.
[00:43] <kyubutsu> wish rekonq would handle ubuntuone better :(
[00:47] <lengau> @heinkel_111 - I just tried in k3b on a new system and was able to rip an audio CD to flac without a problem. Which version of KDE are you using?
[00:47] <lengau> @kyubutsu - What's rekonq doing on ubuntuone?
[00:49] <lengau> @kyubutsu the reason I'm asking is because I'd like to try to recreate this behaviour for a bug report
[00:52] <kyubutsu> for starters, rekonq doesnt have any visual cue when downloading large files [progress bar];  and it has failed several times at uploading ;  its more of feature request than a bug
[00:55] <lengau> @kyubutsu - When downloading a file, rekonq hands the download off to KDE's job manager. There should be an icon all the way on the left of your system tray (just to the right of the show desktop icon in the default settings) that will tell you about notifications and jobs.
[00:56] <lengau> That should be where it has your downloads.
[00:56] <kyubutsu> lengau: i meant uploading ..
[00:56] <kyubutsu> overall rekonq does a crappy job at dealing with ubuntuone
[00:56] <kyubutsu> compare with chromium if you like
[00:57] <kyubutsu> in fact, i installed chromium for the sole purpose of handling ubuntuone
[00:57] <kyubutsu> :(
[00:58] <lengau> kyubutsu - I don't really use Ubuntu One, but I actually use Chrome on all of my machines. I use oxygen-gtk to make Chrome look like (mostly) a KDE app.
[00:58] <lengau> ( http://hugo-kde.blogspot.com/2010/11/oxygen-gtk.html  if you're interested)
[00:58] <kyubutsu> i want rekonq
[00:58] <kyubutsu> :(
[00:59] <kyubutsu> & rekonq fails  :(
[00:59] <kyubutsu> i even like it better than konqueror
[01:00] <kyubutsu> good design but, fail at ubuntuone transactions
[01:02] <kyubutsu> webkit -1 ?   i dun wanna believe that
[01:05] <lengau> The only thing I can suggest then is to make some noise so it gets noticed and placed on the Natty wishlist (https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/appdevs-kubuntu-n-rekonq-wishlist)
[03:55] <fanfare> hey folks, i try to use time command with options, but all do fail even time --help ? --help : command not found
[03:57] <fanfare> hm, ok was a bash buitlin time i guess...
[03:59] <fanfare> how to find out if a builtin is used or not? which time gave /usr/bin/time but it was not used as time...
[04:01] <well_laid_lawn> I would use the full path e.g. /usr/bin/time -options
[04:01] <sea4ever> This is strange. ftptop is showing 2 idle users..any way to kick 'em off?
[04:02] <fanfare> well_laid_lawn: yeah, found that already, but as which time gave that path i thought it would be used...
[04:22] <woodzy> i'm trying to configure a window (vlc media player) to not show up on the task bar but only in the system tray (it already show up in both); what am i looking for in kwin to configure it so that it does not show up in the task bar but only the system tray?
[04:36] <woodzy> how can i set the volume at a certain level (50% for example) every time i log in? even when i have it set lower than 100% it still defaults to 100% when i log in.
[04:47] <btraill> Are quick questions allowed in here?
[04:49] <well_laid_lawn> sure
[04:50] <btraill> So, I was installing the LAMP package from the "sudo tasksel" line. It ended up freezing at 74% for about 20 minutes so I thought it may have glitched up... I closed my terminal and now when I go to re run that same line I get an error telling me that the config.dat is being locked by another proccess.
[04:50] <btraill> Any idea?
[04:51] <btraill> debconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process: Resource temporarily unavailable
[04:51] <btraill> That's the exact error.
[04:52] <well_laid_lawn> you could try   lsof   to see what is using it
[04:52] <sea4ever> You could do a lsof | grep debconf/config.dat
[04:52] <well_laid_lawn> !aptfix
[04:52] <sea4ever> That would tell you which process is locking the file. If any
[04:55] <btraill> Interesting.. Killed the proccess and now I just got a ton of "Setting up... Enabling, etc"
[04:55] <btraill> in my Terminal.
[04:55] <btraill> I'm asumming that's enabling/installed 74% of the pack up until where it froze, correct?
[04:56] <btraill> So it would be ideal to re run the package, yes?
[04:56] <sea4ever> You'd better re-install it.
[04:56] <btraill> (By the way thanks for those tips; I'm a brand new Kubuntu user so these really help!)
[04:56] <btraill> Okay :)
[04:56] <sea4ever> Or at least check to see that it installed OK
[04:58] <btraill> Bah.. still got that same error when trying to run the
[04:58] <btraill> "sudo tasksel"
[04:59] <well_laid_lawn> I would just use apt-get
[04:59] <sea4ever> You sure you installed that LAMP thing?
[04:59] <fanfare> woodzy: qdbus org.kde.kmix /Mixer0 setMasterVolume 50
[05:00] <btraill> I don't know if it fully installed.
[05:00] <sea4ever> Is it anything executable that you can run to check?
[05:00] <btraill> I'll quickly check
[05:02] <btraill> I have a "Run MySQL" executable but nothing happens when opened.
[05:04] <sea4ever> You sure nothing happens? Maybe it runs in the background or something.
[05:49] <DouglasK> Quick question ... what's a recommended app for managing media players that would (in Windows) use the Windows Media Player to manage them?
[05:50] <well_laid_lawn> manage media players?
[05:51] <Daskreech> Amarok?
[05:51] <Daskreech> well_laid_lawn: Like an iPod
[05:51] <well_laid_lawn> oh
[05:51] <DouglasK> Yeah, specifically non apple ones.
[05:53] <cpatrick2008> i upgraded from maverick to natty and now my broadcom sta wirelss does not work i am typing this on my linux mint debian edition triple boot
[05:53] <well_laid_lawn> !natty
[09:05] <daniel3> Is there a way to clear your dns cache?
[09:05] <daniel3> I know there is, cant remember the command.
[09:06] <alokito> where can I download kubuntu 11.04 torrent?
[09:11] <well_laid_lawn> !torrent
[09:11] <well_laid_lawn> !natty
[09:11] <well_laid_lawn> alokito: ^^
[11:27] <Guest50961> 想请教大家一个有关amarok的问题
[11:29] <well_laid_lawn> !jp
[11:31] <Guest50961> 最近一打开amarok就会提示为增请amarok功能 需要安装额外软件包 点击查看之后 会提示安装安装一个视频解码器 点击安装 提示E:无法修正错误，因为您要求某些软件包保持现状，就是它们破坏了软件包间的依赖关系。
[11:32] <Guest50961> 请教下各位这到底是怎么回事  而且自从出现这种状况之后 amarok运行起来就不太正常 经常崩溃
[11:33] <tsimpson> !cn | Guest50961
[11:58] <Klaus_Dieter> hello world
[11:59] <Klaus_Dieter> I know there is a qt interface designer somewhere but I cannot for my life remember its name - there used to be a qtdesigner but apt-get cannot find it. What is the program I am looking for?
[11:59] <well_laid_lawn> !find designer
[12:00] <well_laid_lawn> I thought designer came with qt - try in konsole   which designer    Klaus_Dieter
[12:00] <yofel> !info qt4-designer
[12:00] <yofel> Klaus_Dieter: ^
[12:01] <well_laid_lawn> I wonder why the bot didn't find it...
[12:02] <yofel> good question..
[12:02] <Klaus_Dieter> I seached for qtdesigner - now installing qt4-designer
[12:02] <Klaus_Dieter> thank you!
[12:49] <Klaus_Dieter> yesterday I did a release upgrade of kubuntu and everything worked like a charm. I was totally surprised and I have to say that this is just great!
[12:49] <Peace-> Klaus_Dieter: nice
[12:50] <Klaus_Dieter> so: Thank you for all the hard work and for making that happen
[12:51] <Peace-> kubuntu is a community project
[12:51] <Peace->  a lots of people do the work free
[12:51] <Peace-> for free
[12:51] <Klaus_Dieter> that is why I am coming here to say it
[12:51] <Peace-> :)
[12:52] <Peace-> Klaus_Dieter: the best thing you could do is spread the voice
[12:52] <Peace-> and maybe code something xD
[12:52]  * Peace- back on automatize kdenlive
[12:56] <MasterOfIntegral> new KDE software works wery well for me and I'm more than glad. This is by far more stable and shiny than in kubuntu 9.04 release. But i have several minor problems with new kernel. Unfortunately I have lost old ones (from previous releases). Can I add something to sources list so I get linux-image from one distribution (9.04) and the rest from newest 10.10?
[12:58] <yofel> well, you would have to add the sources from an older release for that (please don't use 9.04 though, that doesn't get any security updates anymore)
[12:59] <yofel> what are your kernel problems by the way?
[12:59] <MasterOfIntegral> ok, can you tell me where I can find addreses?
[13:00] <MasterOfIntegral> Laptop battery life decreased by 50% and no VMWare
[13:00] <yofel> MasterOfIntegral: check your /etc/apt/sources.list - there copy the lines with archive.ubuntu.com and put them into the file changing maverick to lucid - I wouldn't recommend jaunty, that's only on old-releases.ubuntu.com
[13:01] <yofel> and make sure you don't edit the existing ones, make a backup of the file first
[13:01] <MasterOfIntegral> oh, it was so obvious. ;-) Thank you very much!
[13:02] <yofel> then you can try an older kernel like linux-image-2.6.32-27-generic
[13:02] <yofel> if you need additional compiled drivers don't forget to install the corresponding kernel headers
[13:03] <MasterOfIntegral> Thanks for details! I will try it right now.
[13:21] <MasterOfIntegral> @ yofel: thank you very much for your time and support! I should  have come to idea of cp url and swap maverick with lucid or koala ;-) Now need to reboot to check out new (old) kernel.
[13:41] <MasterOfIntegral> hi, thanks once again to yofel, now I can use once again my VMWare machines!
[13:42] <yofel> MasterOfIntegral: you might want to boot the other kernel once and file a bug with 'ubuntu-bug linux' that vmware doesn't work with the maverick kernel
[14:08] <MasterOfIntegral> My network printer does't work in Maveric, don't know if it's because of kernel or some new cups drivers included. It worked flawlessly in karmic, not sure about jaunty... It still says processing on Document Print status (was going to print one line textfile). Some time before printer printed some random characters on about hundred pages until hard reset of printer & router ;-)
[14:08] <MasterOfIntegral> Any ideas? I have HP color laserjet CP1515n
[14:10] <MasterOfIntegral> maybe at least name of channel which I could join to ask this question?
[14:17] <yofel> MasterOfIntegral: tried to add it with the HPLIP management app? The package name for that was hplip-gui
[14:17] <yofel> I added my HP OfficeJet fine using that
[14:18] <MasterOfIntegral> yofel: no, I was adding it by System Settings. I will try hplip-gui now.
[14:25] <MasterOfIntegral> yofel: you're awesome!
[14:25] <MasterOfIntegral> it works
[14:26] <MasterOfIntegral> I didn't know about that application. I's very nice
[14:57] <mika__> hi, i see from the kde wiki that krunner can manage currency conversions, but when i try it..it doesn't work, should i have to install some extra package for it?
[15:02] <mika__> i've installed plasma-runners-addons, but still there isn't
[15:05] <yofel> mika__: works here if I type '100€ in' for example, gives me a list of currencies
[15:06] <yofel> and yes plasma-runners-addons contains the converter
[15:06] <mika__> yofel: i write 100€= and it says: eur 100.... but what if i want it in usd?
[15:07] <yofel> did you restart krunner after installing plasma-runners-addons?
[15:09] <mika__> yofel: yes.... actually i restarted it again and now works... don't know why..
[15:09] <mika__> thanks :)
[15:09] <yofel> odd
[15:10] <mika__> do you know when it updates the data? and if it's cached (for offline conversions)
[15:10] <mika__> when / how often
[15:12] <mika__> or does it call ecb everytime for the conversion?
[15:12] <yofel> no idea
[15:12] <mika__> ok
[15:12] <mika__> one more questione,if you know :)
[15:13] <mika__> what about simple calcs like: x:1=5:10 ?
[15:13] <mika__> i try it... but with a final = it says x=310.... not so good,as it should be 0.5 :)
[15:14] <Slashx> Hey guys
[15:14] <Slashx> how do I set start up services in Kubuntu
[15:15] <Slashx> I woud like Compiz and Knetworkmanager to be autorun for all users that log into a KDE session
[15:16] <yofel> mika__: not much better here, 5:10=5,1666667 o.O
[15:16] <mika__> yofel: nice :)
[15:16] <Slashx> Anyone?
[15:17] <yofel> Slashx: checked systemsettings -> startup and shutdown?
[15:19] <walter_> please... spanish chanel??
[15:19] <yofel> !es | walter_
[15:20] <walter_> gracias
[15:34] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[15:39] <BajK> Is it just me or is KDE 4.6 RC1's sound system really broken (without PulseAudio)?
[15:41] <BluesKaj> dunno , that's the chance one takes with RCs, BajK...maybe the alsa settings are muted again
[15:41] <BajK> BluesKaj: it's just that it worked perfectly in Beta 2
[15:41] <BajK> and now people blaim me for not having this buggy pulseaudio thingie installed
[15:42] <BajK> afk, restarting, now installed pulseaudio
[15:43] <Lists> Hello. How do I install thunderbird on the latest Crunchbang statler? Claws-mail is cool but really does not cut it for me..
[15:43] <walter_> hello a query
[15:44] <walter_> I have problems with the screen size
[15:44] <walter_> I return to the previous setting after restart
[15:44] <walter_> any suggestions?
[15:44] <BluesKaj> I'm not a fan but mplayer sound needs pulkseaudio on mmy setup and I'm using mencoder for video and audio capture
[15:44] <well_laid_lawn> Lists: there is a #crunchbang channel
[15:45] <Lists> sorry wrong window
[15:45] <well_laid_lawn> np
[15:46] <walter_> I'm sorry, but I'm new in kubuntu
[15:47] <well_laid_lawn> walter_: you are prob saving sessions
[15:47] <well_laid_lawn> !sessions
[15:48] <walter_> ?? sorrydo not understand
[15:49] <well_laid_lawn> select a new kde session at login
[15:52] <Paddy_NI> How do I make windows on kde behave like they do on plasma-netbook... does kde use something like maximus, I have already added the "Current Application Controls" to the panel
[15:52] <Paddy_NI> maximised windows with no decoration.. yes please :)
[15:52] <BluesKaj> I'm still waiting for a Google Earth version that will run on kde 4.5, just crashes at launch ...very poor support
[15:53] <maco> Paddy_NI: maybe try the "air for netbooks" theme instead of "air"?
[15:53] <maco> (in workspace appearance)
[15:54] <Klaus_Dieter> BluesKaj: you want marble
[15:54] <BluesKaj> Klaus_Dieter, do I ? :)
[15:54] <maco> marble doesnt have a way to save locations does it?
[15:54] <Paddy_NI> maco, Oh thanks I had just thought that was a plasma theme and had no interference with kwin
[15:55] <Klaus_Dieter> it works well and is stable here
[15:55] <Klaus_Dieter> maco: not sure
[15:55] <Slashx> Yeah so
[15:55] <Slashx> Can you guys help
[15:56] <maco> BluesKaj: google earth 5.1 worked
[15:56] <maco> but the option to download it was removed when they put up 6
[15:57] <BluesKaj> maco, is there a source for 5.1 ?
[15:57] <BluesKaj> anywhere
[15:57] <maco> i dont know how to get it anymore
[15:57] <BluesKaj> maco, ok
[15:58] <maco> does 6 not work either?
[15:59] <BluesKaj> not on my seup maco , it uses a deb installer and appears to install properly without errors, but it won't open on my setup
[16:00] <maco> and you get the crash on launch with 5.2?
[16:02] <BluesKaj> no ,6 is the only one available, afaik , maco
[16:05] <Paddy_NI> maco, it does not work unless I change "Workspace" to netbook which is not what I want
[16:05] <Paddy_NI> maco, I will figure this out :)
[16:07] <Paddy_NI> btw what is the latest stable kde version?
[16:08] <Slashx> How do I set startup apps
[16:08] <Paddy_NI> been out of circulation for a time
[16:10] <Guest20939> hello people
[16:13] <maco> Pablito: 4.5 i think
[16:13] <maco> whoops
[16:13] <maco> Pablito: ignore that
[16:30] <MasterOfIntegral> do you remember which kernel didn't have issue with power management: powertop wakeups from [kernel scheduler] Load balancing tick? I've checked all kernels from 2.6.31 to 2.6.36
[16:30] <MasterOfIntegral> I checked all from 2.6.31-36 and they limit my battery life by 50%
[16:31] <MasterOfIntegral> This issue was already filed as a bug in Maverick
[16:37] <BluesKaj> I diddn't like the fact that ths tutorial installed alien on my box but it obviously use a better version of GE-Linux than the ubuntu repos, and the tutorial does work to install GE successfully
[16:37] <BluesKaj> http://www.webupd8.org/2010/11/install-google-earth-6-in-ubuntu-linux.html
[16:57] <rethus> have problem to upgrade from 10.04 to maverick, cause i have installed kde 4.5.3 from packports on lucid
[16:57] <rethus> get always the error about kubuntu-desktop
[16:57] <James147> rethus: what error?
[16:57] <rethus> if i remove kubuntu-desktop completly, does all the configfiles of kde still appear in the system?
[16:58] <James147> rethus: removing kde wont remove your user config files, and system ones should only be removed if you purge
[16:58] <atlas> hey all, i have a seemlingly stupid question... but it's actually kinda important to me
[16:58] <James147> !ask | atlas
[16:58] <rethus> what was the cmd-command for upgrading to newer distributiion
[16:58] <atlas> i'm running an upgraded box and a new install of 10.10
[16:59] <rethus> was something likes upgrade-....
[16:59] <James147> rethus: do-realese-updrade
[16:59] <atlas> both running quassel, one system flashes a red/blue Q
[16:59] <James147> ^^ but spelt correctly :)
[16:59] <atlas> and the upgraded system flashes the mail image Q
[16:59] <James147> :P
[16:59] <atlas> when my nick is mentioned.
[16:59] <atlas> how do i get the upgraded box to have the red/blue Q?
[17:00] <atlas> my brain blocks out the other one as noise... but the red Q gets my attention as it should.
[17:01] <rethus> James 147: so if i run this, i got this error http://pastebin.com/Xdzk02dG
[17:01] <James147> atlas: play around with the notifications, I think 10.10 now uses the indicator widget by default, an upgrade could still use the old settings
[17:01] <rethus> so i think about to remove the package and install it later
[17:02] <atlas> thanks you, James147.  the upgraded one uses indicator as well, using libnotify (iinm).
[17:02] <atlas> but that doesn't do a red Q, it's just a white piece of mail sitting quietly until something happens, right?
[17:03] <yofel> yep, and get's a green background when something happens
[17:03] <yofel> quassel 0.7 should always use the red Q though if you don't use the indicator
[17:04] <rethus> James147: so you think i can remove this package, do an upgrade and reinstall this package and all should go well?
[17:04] <James147> rethus: what dose that error mean in english?
[17:05] <yofel> James147: 'Couldn't mark kubuntu-desktop for upgrade', well something like that
[17:05] <rethus> the package kubunut-desktop could'nt mark as upgradable
[17:05] <rethus> kubuntu-desktop is version 1.174.1
[17:06] <James147> atlas: is the system tray icon enabled for quassel?
[17:06] <rethus> James 147: the only other version i have (in synaptic) is 1.174.1
[17:06] <James147> rethus: run "sudo apt-get install -f" andsee if it fixes anything
[17:06] <rethus> i mean 1.174
[17:07] <rethus> James 147: i run it, nothing happend
[17:07] <atlas> James147: yes, the system tray icon is enabled
[17:07] <rethus> means no error found all should run well
[17:09] <James147> atlas: is there any different in the notifications settings for both installs?
[17:10] <James147> rethus: hmm, well I would try a reinstall (sudo apt-get install --reinstall kubuntu-desktop) then try the upgrade again (probally wont help, but it cant hurt)
[17:10] <rethus> should i deactivate backports repository while reinstalling?
[17:10] <yofel> rethus: I fear that's beyond update-managers capacity then. A) try to install ppa-purge from lucid-backports and run 'sudo ppa-purge ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports'. That will try to downgrade the packgages to something you can upgrade B) try to upgrade by editing sources.list by hand and apt-get dist-upgrade
[17:11] <James147> rethus: not for now...
[17:11] <yofel> James147: kubuntu-desktop isn't the problem, the problem is that update-manager has no chance of sanely resolving the dependencies if you have enabled the backports repository in lucid
[17:11] <yofel> since it tries to upgrade lucid 4.5.3 to maverick 4.5.1
[17:12] <James147> yofel: fairly sure I did an upgrade with it enabled... but I could be wrong :S
[17:12] <rethus> yofel: ppa-purge is a package?
[17:12] <yofel> rethus: it is
[17:12] <James147> yofel: ah, yeah... that could do it... I would have tried ages ago so probally had a lesser version
[17:13] <James147> yofel: and thanks for the hint about ppa-purge :) been looking for something like that
[17:13] <rethus> does this package remove all the backports-repos?
[17:13] <maco> its for removing PPAs
[17:13] <maco> if you mean kubuntu-backports, then yes
[17:13] <maco> but if you mean ubuntu-backports, then no
[17:13] <rethus> wow, ppa-purge seems to do a good job... list me many packages and dependencies
[17:14] <rethus> yofel: so if i let ppa-purge do his job, i got the default kde for 10.04 back?
[17:15] <maco> uhh not for long
[17:15] <maco> the version thats in kubuntu-backports is going into the regular 10.04 updates soon i think
[17:15] <maco> finally got approval after like a year of it to include kde's point releases
[17:15] <yofel> maco: no, what's in kubuntu-updates will go into regular ubuntu-updates soon
[17:15] <maco> hmm ok
[17:16] <maco> too many ppas
[17:16] <yofel> meaning 4.4.5 instead of 4.4.2 for offical lucid
[17:16] <maco> you're right
[17:16] <maco> just re-read emails
[17:16] <rethus> first i was glad to see the concept of LTS versions... but i think the problem is, that there are no realy major-upgrades, only bugfixes and patches, right?
[17:16] <rethus> therefor i go back to make each distribution upgrade
[17:17] <rethus> instead using LTS version
[17:18] <James147> rethus: the point of an LTS is that its stable, not upto date, something like that shouldnt recive major upgrades as they are most likly to break things
[17:19] <James147> rethus: thus is you want the latest stuff then upgrading to the next version of the distro is the best plan
[17:20] <rethus> so this means, kde 5.4.3 never comes to 10.04 ?
[17:20] <yofel> 4.5.3 will never *officially* come to 10.04
[17:21] <yofel> and 4.6 won't even come unofficially, too many new dependencies
[17:21] <James147> rethus: 5.4.3 :S HIGHLY unlikly ;) 4.4.3 ^^ from whyat yofel/maco said it looks like it might, but that is only a minor version increase, its a bugfix/maintance relase
[17:21] <yofel> s/4.4.3/4.4.5/ ;)
[17:22] <rethus> k, thats what i need to know. whats the default kde for 0.10?
[17:22] <maco> bzip: ever go 24h without /nick'ing?
[17:22] <rethus> 10.10
[17:22] <maco> rethus: 4.5.x
[17:22] <bzip> maco: na
[17:22] <yofel> rethus: currently 4.5.1, kubuntu-updates has 4.5.4
[17:22] <bzip> :)
[17:23] <rethus> yofel: so the minor-upgrades are still in kubunut-updates ?!
[17:23] <rethus> 4.5.4 ... 4.5.5 (in future) and so on
[17:23] <yofel> rethus: getting that into official updates is in progress, but takes time
[17:23] <rethus> k, but it will
[17:23] <rethus> or is planed
[17:23] <maco> yes
[17:24] <rethus> great, you help me a lot - now i understand this strategie a little more
[17:26] <Lord_Drachenblut> afternoon maco
[17:26] <maco> hiya Lord_Drachenblut
[17:28] <Lord_Drachenblut> how's it going maco
[17:29] <maco> Lord_Drachenblut: alright. you?
[17:31] <Lord_Drachenblut> not to bad just killing a little time before i take the girlfriend to work.
[17:31] <BluesKaj> maco, i found a tutorial for Google Earth which worked, atho it uses alien to convert from rpm , something I'm not real happy about, but it does work on my setup. http://www.webupd8.org/2010/11/install-google-earth-6-in-ubuntu-linux.html
[17:32] <maco> hahah fun
[17:32] <maco> so the earth 6 deb is just plain broken?
[17:32] <BluesKaj> hey yofel
[17:32] <BluesKaj> maco yeah, seems so
[17:33] <yofel_> hey BluesKaj
[17:33] <BluesKaj> this is a bin file , but it's version 6, maco
[17:34] <BluesKaj> yeay, sunshine and blue skies and +4C , finally
[17:34] <rethus> yofel: have done this ppa-purge command you described... my machin installed much other packes...
[17:35] <rethus> now after restart i type kde4-config --version and got
[17:35] <rethus> KDE: 4.5.3 (KDE 4.5.3)
[17:35] <rethus> whats that now?
[17:35] <rethus> doesn't take effect like it should?
[17:35] <yofel> well, I don't know where kde4-config get's it's version from
[17:36] <yofel> but try do-release-upgrade again
[17:36]  * BluesKaj still uses 4.5.1...guess it's the latest stable vers
[17:36] <rethus> the packagemanager looks different like before
[17:36] <rethus> so something happend
[17:36] <yofel> BluesKaj: that's what's in maverick, ppa has 4.5.4
[17:37] <BluesKaj> any benefits to upgrading , yofel ?
[17:37] <yofel> I don't know the bug list, if you don't have any issues leave it I guess
[17:37] <rethus> yofel: packagemanager telles me now he has over 1500 updates
[17:37] <yofel> asking me probably won't help much anyway since I'm running 4.6rc1
[17:38] <yofel> rethus: o.O I wonder if do-release-upgrade forgot to change the sources back..
[17:39] <rethus> i didn't have run do-release-upgrade after ppa-purge
[17:39] <rethus> should i do this?
[17:40] <yofel> I meant from before, but since you want to upgrade run do-release-upgrade now
[17:40] <yofel> phone, back in a few mins
[17:40] <rethus> there i get much deprecatet errors
[17:40] <CyL> Evening folks... It is my first time in KDE, and I'm not getting my way really well in the desktop environemnt... would anyonde recommend a good reading for me to get used to it?
[17:40] <BluesKaj> wll, guess I could run dist-upgrade after adding the ppa backports , but I'm wondering if there are any benefits other than being on the bleeding edge so to speak ?
[17:41] <BluesKaj> !kde | CyL
[17:41] <rethus> yofel: http://pastebin.com/UuCU7Z4B
[17:41] <rethus> yofel: whats now?
[17:41] <James147> CyL: the help center might be useful (kmenu > apps > Help)
[17:43] <rethus> BluesKaj: i advvice you not to use backports... i did and have many problems now to get system to higher distribution (Maverick)
[17:43] <CyL> BluesKaj, James147: thanks
[17:43] <BluesKaj> rethus, I'm already on maverick
[17:44] <rethus> yofel: so what can i do now. do-release-upgrade didn't work, and now i have system with many old packages
[17:44] <rethus> yofel: whats your workarround?
[17:45] <rethus> if i look in sourcelist, there are only maverick-packages
[17:45] <rethus> BluesKaj: backports-problems for lucid may the same in future for maverick
[17:46] <James147> rethus: try changing them back to lucid (I would backup the config file first though)
[17:48] <rethus> whats then
[17:49] <rethus> comment out backports in source.list ?
[17:49] <rethus> james 147
[17:51] <BluesKaj> rethus, did you sudo apt-get update after doing the release upgrade ?
[17:52] <rethus> i have done no release-upgrade... i have only done this ppa-purge-command
[17:52]  * James147 wonders if it would it would be easier to just do a fresh install on maverick instead...
[17:52] <rethus> after that, if i have a look into kpackagemanager i have 1547 updates
[17:52] <rethus> (seems to be the whole system)
[17:52] <rethus> should i run all this updates?
[17:53] <yofel> well, if your sources.list points to maverick that will pretty much upgrade to maverick, just make sure kubuntu-desktop stays installed
[17:53] <BluesKaj> James147, I had not probs using do-release-upgrade , I just mage sure the ppas were all deleted first
[17:54] <rethus> yofel: hope this wil not break my system
[17:54] <rethus> some packages like kubuntu-firefox... are in the kpackagemanager has update-version 10.10
[17:54] <rethus> so it seems this are all maverik packages
[17:55] <rethus> so ppa-purge did make a upgrade to maverik?
[17:55] <yofel> rethus: as I said, make sure 'kubuntu-desktop' is installed after the upgrade, then your system should work
[17:55] <yofel> rethus: no, ppa-purge won't do that
[17:55] <BluesKaj> rethus , no need to run a ppa purge command , just tyake ou the ppas from your sources list then sudo apt-get update , the do-release-upgrade afterwards
[17:55] <yofel> rethus: it's probably since you cancelled do-release-upgrade mid-way with ctrl+c
[17:55] <rethus> yofel: wait... a little slower for me
[17:56] <BluesKaj> then
[17:56] <rethus> i will explain what i do, and you will explain what happend
[17:56] <rethus> i install ppa-purge like you said
[17:56] <yofel> BluesKaj: if you add kubuntu-backports to lucid it's impossible to upgrade to maverick without ppa-purge
[17:56] <rethus> id od the sudo ppa-... command
[17:56] <rethus> my system install much packages a whole time... and ask for restart
[17:56] <rethus> is restart
[17:56] <yofel> rethus: before that, did you ever cancel do-release-upgrade with ctrl+c
[17:56] <rethus> now i have 1547 updates in kpackagemanager...
[17:56] <yofel> ?
[17:57] <rethus> maybe... but if, than before ppa-purge was installed
[17:57] <BluesKaj> yofel, what if you just delete tem from the sources list ?
[17:57] <BluesKaj> them
[17:57] <yofel> BluesKaj: then do-release-upgrade will have to figure out how to upgrade 4.5.3 to 4.5.1 -> FAIL
[17:58] <rethus> so i think: normaly ppa-purge should put my system back to 4.5.1, but it doesn't
[17:59] <BluesKaj> yofel, odd , I just deleted the ppas when I upgraded to maverick from lucid
[17:59] <yofel> rethus: without logs what it actually did and your complete apt setup I can only guess what happened
[17:59] <rethus> why ever... it seems the system is now a little confused (like me)
[18:00] <rethus> so i have no aptitude on my system and < 1500 updates
[18:00] <yofel> rethus: so I would guess: you cancelled d-r-u, which left source.list pointed to maverick, so I have no idea what ppa-purge would do in that case, now you've got a lucid/maverick mixup
[18:01] <rethus> what is d-r-u
[18:01] <yofel> rethus: I would leave the sources pointed to maverick and upgrade with 'sudo apt-get dist-upgrade; sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop'
[18:01] <yofel> rethus: do-release-upgrade (too much to type all the time)
[18:01] <rethus> k, i'll try
[18:02] <rethus> apt-get dist-upgrade says: 1571 packages.
[18:02] <yofel> sounds reasonable
[18:02] <rethus> yea, so i'll try
[18:03] <rethus> but apt-get say: the following packages are hold back: kubuntu-desktop
[18:03] <BluesKaj> rethus, maybe this will work , but be warned this changes your sources.list to point to maverick repos , sudo sed -i 's/lucid/maverick/' /etc/apt/sources.list
[18:03] <yofel> rethus: can you pastebin the output of apt-get dist-upgrade?
[18:04] <yofel> BluesKaj: he already has that
[18:04] <BluesKaj> ok
[18:04] <rethus> my sources.list still point to maverick
[18:04] <yofel> cancelling d-r-u mid-way will do exactly that
[18:05] <rethus> http://pastebin.com/CwWbydAa
[18:05] <BluesKaj> dunno why ppl cancel midway , it can't do anything but break stuff :(
[18:05] <rethus> so question is: better change sourcelist back to lucid, do a  ppa-purge again,and than upgrade, or keep this sourcelist and run dist-upgrade
[18:06] <yofel> rethus: that looks good for now
[18:06] <rethus> the pastebin?
[18:06] <rethus> should i run this?
[18:06] <yofel> rethus: yes, apply that for now
[18:07] <BluesKaj> rethus, yeah, just reverse the maverick and lucid in the the command I just posted
[18:07] <yofel> or go BluesKajs way, both are hackish
[18:07] <rethus> you post to change lucid TO maverick, i ask to change maverick to lucid
[18:07] <olskolirc> how do I set an html page as my background please?
[18:08] <BluesKaj> sudo sed -i 's/maverick/lucid/' /etc/apt/sources.list
[18:08] <olskolirc> for my desktop wallpaper please
[18:09] <rethus> olskolirc: have a look into your plamoids.. search for web:
[18:09] <BluesKaj> ok brb
[18:09] <olskolirc> i made my own rethus and i need to know how to set it
[18:09] <rethus> yofel: i do the dist-upgrade
[18:10] <yofel> rethus: for kubuntu-desktop you'll probably have to add maverick kubuntu-ppa/ppa so you get KDE 4.5.4
[18:10] <rethus> make your own what?
[18:10] <olskolirc> i made my own html wallpaper i need to set it as my desktop wallpaper how do i do that?
[18:10] <rethus> yofel: no thanks, get enough for next time with backports
[18:10] <James147> olskolirc: cant see a way to set it as the background with the kde backdround plugins, but there is the "web slice" widget...  that said there might be a plugin to enable you to do that
[18:11] <rethus> i mean this web slice
[18:11] <rethus> right click on desktop add mini-application search for web
[18:11] <olskolirc> where do I get this web slice James147 please?
[18:12] <James147> olskolirc: right click the desktop > add widgets > search for "Web" drag it to your desktop )(assuming widgets are unlocked)
[18:12] <olskolirc> thanks
[18:12] <rethus> i'm invisible ?
[18:12] <BluesKaj> ok ,Im on :Platform Version 4.5.4 (KDE 4.5.4)
[18:17] <rethus> congratilation
[18:19] <olskolirc> i swear before goodness is these developers can't make their widgets work then take it offline
[18:19] <olskolirc> none of the web widgets work
[18:19] <BluesKaj> rethus, did you run the reverse maverick to lucid in the sources.list command
[18:19] <rethus> i run apt-get distribution upgrade now
[18:20] <rethus> wopuld be the saver way, cause i didn't had aptitude anymore...
[18:20] <olskolirc> that line is so exciting rethus lol
[18:20] <BluesKaj> oh so you're gonna upgrade afterall ?
[18:20] <olskolirc> lucid is broke, maverick is worse
[18:20] <rethus> so i'm afraid there are much other things left the system, which i may need...
[18:20] <rethus> also ppa-purge wasn't anymore on the system
[18:21] <BluesKaj> olskolirc, maverick is worse , how ?
[18:21] <rethus> olskolirc: for me web slices works well
[18:21] <olskolirc> can't mount cdrom BluesKaj there is no entry in /etc/fstab
[18:21] <rethus> whats the error
[18:22] <olskolirc> it ships with pulse audio BluesKaj and no way to go back to alsa unless you uninstall pulse which leaves half of your programs soundless
[18:22] <olskolirc> manyyyyy things wrong with maverick everyone i know that had it dumped it and went back to lucid which messes up vlc and most are back on karmic
[18:24] <BluesKaj> olskolirc, well I need pulseaudio for mencoder audio/video capture ...it seems to work ok on maverick
[18:25] <BluesKaj> olskolirc, vlc is fine on maverick as well, amarok sucks tho so i deleted it
[18:26] <Peace-> BluesKaj: caputre with mencoder?
[18:26] <Peace-> capture
[18:26] <BluesKaj> yup. Peace-
[18:26] <Peace-> vlc?
[18:27] <BluesKaj> mencoder , vlc might if you can get the parameters right but it's too difficult IMO ..VLC works great as aplayer for all codecs tho
[18:28] <Peace-> BluesKaj: i mean capture webcam ? or what?
[18:29] <BluesKaj> Peace-, I have USB capture device to capture video of a pvr , not very high quality , but good enough for a small laptop scrn ...it was a challenge which I finally was able get working
[18:29] <yofel> olskolirc: I don't have an fstab entry for my cdrom either and I can mount them fine here
[18:30] <Peace-> BluesKaj: ok :) give me the mencoder string .... here there is a mencoder ffmpeg lover
[18:30] <Peace-> xD
[18:31] <olskolirc> is this mencoder a cool toy or something?
[18:31] <olskolirc> how are you mounting it yofel
[18:31] <olskolirc> i looked at the forums yofel and noboy was able to do it, got frustrated and quit
[18:31] <yofel> olskolirc: from the device notifier
[18:32] <yofel> but last time I tried even mount would mount /dev/sr0 fine
[18:33] <BluesKaj> My daughter's friend was featued in some cooking shows here and I she asked me to send the videos to her thru dropbox, It was more dificult than I ever imagined because with TiVo it was a breeze, but unfortunately we Cancelled tivo when we weny=t Hidef . TiVo doesn't iffer HDTV service in Canada
[19:04] <BakiBB> Hello,
[19:05] <BakiBB> How do I set up the graphic driver and graph card properties in the terminal?
[19:10] <James147> BakiBB: for which card?
[19:26] <BakiBB> I have a Nvidia 8400GS
[19:26] <BakiBB> <graphic card
[19:27] <kyubutsu> lastfm on rekonq -1  :(
[19:28] <kyubutsu> standalone program for lastfm +1 though  :)
[19:28] <James147> BakiBB: to install the nvidia drivers either run jockey-kde ("hardware drivers" in the menu) or install nvidia-current in kpackagekit or apt-get then run "kdesudo nvidia-settings" to configure it
[19:28] <James147> (nvidia-settings is a gui program)
[19:29] <kyubutsu> he said he wanted to do it via konsole ..
[19:29]  * kyubutsu wonders
[19:30] <James147> kyubutsu: BakiBB: ^^ nvidia-settings is the easiet way, the only other way is to edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf by hand
[19:32] <James147> ^^ if installing the driver dosent create an xorg.conf you can run nvidia-xconfig to create a basic one
[19:32] <kyubutsu> just follow the white rabbit to that hardware drivers deal in system settings
[19:33] <kyubutsu> if no drivers come up, prolly means you dont have pci graphics
[19:33] <James147> kyubutsu: he has an nvidia so there will be drivers for it
[19:33] <kyubutsu> just saying
[19:34] <kyubutsu> gimme yours .. i need
[19:34] <kyubutsu> :-P
[19:37] <dsemblano> Someone noticed that KPackagekit crashes everytime on KDE 4.6 RC1 ?
[19:44] <yofel> dsemblano_: known issue
[19:46] <dsemblano_> yofel: hm, thanks for you reply, at least we have synaptic :)
[19:46] <dsemblano_> yofel++
[19:46] <yofel> erm, muon?
[19:47] <yofel> !info muon
[20:51] <mika__> hi, is there anyone who has installed kde 4.6 + kdepim 4.6? (just to know if it's stable enough to install it on a production machine)
[20:52] <James147> mika__: best not to install it on a production machine untill its released
[20:53] <mika__> James147: a rc1 shouldn't be quite stable?
[20:53] <yofel> 4.6 rc1 works mostly fine here, kdepim is only at beta3 though
[20:54] <James147> mika__: it might be, it might not be, something `could` break between now and release.... if you want to keep your mechene stable then its best not to upgrade untill a week or so after it has been released so the devs have time to sortout any issues that might arrise
[20:55] <James147> mika__: if you dont might the chance of something breaking then it should be fine to upgrade, but if you need stability then I would wait abit
[20:55] <mika__> James147: mmm....as it's not so stable yet (it freeze sometimes, it's very slow and stuff like that) i think i can upgrade..
[20:56] <mika__> and maybe sometime reinstall kubuntu again... (time from boot to be ready: 5-8 minutes..... and i've a pc of 1 year old with dual core and 4gb of mem)
[20:56] <yofel> that is long, takes ~2min here
[20:58] <mika__> yofel: yes...too long... i've kontact which do i don't know what..... and i've wait for it near 5 minutes everytime
[20:59] <yofel> mika__: where does it take longest? to login dialog or from there to desktop?
[20:59] <mika__> from the desktop
[20:59] <mika__> to load something into kontact/kmail
[20:59] <mika__> (it goes in disk sleep a lot)
[21:00] <mika__> i actually don't remember the exact process name
[21:17] <woodzy> what program to i need to install to create img or imz (floppy images) files?
[21:22] <James147> woodzy: as far as I know dd can do that
[21:23] <atlas> James147: thank you for your help earlier.  i'm very embarrassed, but digging further i made a very enlightening discovery...  i never upgraded this machine... or more exacly, i didn't upgrade this hard drive, as i have upgraded this laptop... using a different hard drive.  thank you again.
[21:23] <atlas> i'm still running lucid.
[21:23] <atlas> have a great one.
[21:27] <woodzy> dd?
[21:27] <woodzy> unable to locate package dd
[21:29] <DarthFrog> dd isn't a package, it's a utility.
[21:29] <woodzy> how do i use and or install it?
[21:29] <DarthFrog> Just use it.
[21:30] <James147> woodzy: should already be installed, its a command line util to copy one file to another (often used to create images of disks):   "dd if=/dev/sdXX of=~/image.img   should do it
[21:30] <DarthFrog> as to how to use it, what are you trying to do?
[21:30] <djustice> coreutils? where does that come from..
[21:30] <woodzy> create a blank floppy to use with virtualbox.
[21:30] <James147> ^^ rather then /dev/sdXX use the path to the flopy
[21:30] <djustice> ya. coreutils.
[21:30] <DarthFrog> James147 tells you how to use it to do that.
[21:31] <DarthFrog> James147: Isn't it /dev/fd0?
[21:31] <djustice> yep
[21:31] <James147> DarthFrog: probally :D havent had a floppy drive in along time
[21:31] <DarthFrog> Neither have I.   Ancient technology.
[21:31] <djustice> a fake blank floppy is made with bs=8m if=/dev/null
[21:32] <djustice> erf, 1m
[21:32] <woodzy> thanks guys. (sorry 'bout being ancient, its for a project) :)
[21:42] <javier_> Hi. I disabled my user from admin group and I cannot get sudo priviledges now. Someone can help me changing it back?
[21:43] <James147> javier_: use recovery mode, that should give you a root prompt to add your self back
[21:43] <javier_> James147: i've tried that, but cannot manage
[21:43] <javier_> i get a message saying sudoers file doesn't exist
[21:44] <James147> javier_: when you try running what?
[21:45] <javier_> James147: something like "sudo adduser javier admin"
[21:45] <yofel> erm, you don't need sudo if you're logged in as root
[21:46] <javier_> yofel: hi yofel :) you were trying to help me the other day. i didnt have internet since then, that's why im still with this :)
[21:46] <javier_> yes, that's true, it was without sudo. sudo was before trying in recovery mode
[21:47] <yofel> then that message doesn't make sense, adduser doesn't touch sudoers
[21:49] <javier_> mmm, so maybe I wasn't doing it right...
[21:53] <javier_> James147: do you know how to do it from recovery mode?
[21:53] <James147> "adduser javier admin"
[21:56] <javier_> ah, so it's like I was doing
[21:57] <javier_> and do you understand why I get that answer? ("sudoers file doesnt exist")
[21:57] <yofel> javier_: what does 'ls -l /etc/sudoers' tell you?
[21:57] <yofel> should be: -r--r----- 1 root root 575 2010-12-17 08:14 /etc/sudoers
[21:57] <javier_> i can try that
[21:57] <javier_> i will go and try that
[22:22] <frederik> any one pcw?
[22:51] <woodzy> how do i set the volume through the command line?
[22:52] <James147> woodzy: alsamxer
[22:52] <James147> alsamixer even
[22:54] <woodzy> thanks.
[22:56] <kuvu> woodzy: you mean set it up or down?
[22:57] <woodzy> set it at 50%
[22:57] <kuvu> or some base/max?
[22:57] <lui_> hy nikola :-)
[22:57] <woodzy> i wish to create a script to set volume at 50% (or some other percentage)
[22:58] <kuvu> ah..
[23:00] <sdferfx> Hello. nm-applet won't appear on my kde tray even though I have told it to mark the nm-applet icon "Always Visible". Anyone know how to fix this? I'm not using Kubuntu but no one knows in #archlinux and #kde is dead
[23:02] <James147> sdferfx: wont appear at all? or just hidden (clcik the arrow to see hidden apps) and is it running?
[23:13] <woodzy> off topic: but where can i go (irc, obviously) to discuss java programming issues?
[23:14] <maco> ##java
[23:15] <woodzy> maco, i tried, but not sure who to contact since i'm getting a message saying i have to be invited. :-\
[23:16] <maco> are you registered & identified? they may require invites for unregged people
[23:17] <James147> !register | woodzy
[23:35] <woodzy> thanks ubottu; i am registered on this server, james but never got an email like on other servers (was i supposed to?)
[23:38] <woodzy> got my question answered, thanks. :)