[00:10] obviously there's no one universal experience here. everybody is either experiencing wildly different times, or the subjective nature of the judgjing of time is what's responsible. in other words, maybe the times are all the same but we all expect different things and so we perceive them differently [00:14] time is nothing more then a dimention created by humans to measure what happens while matter moves [00:14] well when I shut down, nothing changes for close to 45 seconds, then gnome-panel disappears, the nthe background, then its down with 10 seconds [00:15] magn3ts, THAT is a problem [00:15] startup probably takes less than that much time total. its just annoying because really, nothing visible happens for "too long" imo. the user is left wondering. [00:15] It's nothing like that in here. [00:15] In a few seconds the whole desktop disappears [00:15] Does anyone know if iphone 4 syncing will work in 11.04? [00:15] Hell, not even my windows install is that slow to shutdown [00:16] can someone check their /etc/hosts on +1 - mine has a ton of empty lines at the bottom? [00:49] penguin42: I see a single blank line on the bottom in a fresh install [00:49] charlie-tca: I have erm, 42 apparently [00:49] heh, that seems like overkill [00:50] My daily use Natty has none [00:50] I figured that was because I edited it a while back, since I add several hosts to it === Steve[cug] is now known as Steve[mba] [01:07] penguin42, fresh install as of alpha1 has none [01:08] * penguin42 suspects it's an updateism [01:30] week I am, body pains. sleep I must, for strength to gain! night peeps [01:51] who is he now, yoda? [02:10] "Proud I am, to stand by Wookiees in their hour of need." Yoda [02:57] What's the time and date appindicator in natty called? === IAmNotThatGuy is now known as M0hi [04:20] whoops, that's right - I'm running the beta. > Hi, peeps - I need to log into bash right after grub finishes so I can aptitude update. Because gnome no longer captures my keyboard nor touchpad. === M0hi is now known as IAmNotThatGuy [05:03] Hello === IAmNotThatGuy is now known as M0hi [05:04] * adstat is having trouble with ubuntu 11.04 [05:07] adstat: if you actually describe the problem, someone might help with it ;) [05:07] I need to change association for ubuntu-software-center but can't find how to invoke it [05:08] Volkodav: The executable name is 'software-center', if that's what you're asking. [05:08] don't see it [05:08] it's in /usr/bin in the filesystem, and in the Applications menu in the menu system. [05:10] I only see software-properties-gtk in /usr/bin [05:10] Volkodav: do you have the 'software-center' package installed? [05:10] Trying to access a shared drive on a windows 7 computer, when prompted for a username & password i enter the appropriate user&pass and the prompt re-appears [05:11] rww: isn't it there by default? well obviosly not [05:11] I may as well do gdebi then [05:11] Volkodav: yes. If it isn't installed, either you or the gloriously-unstable system we're using removed it. [05:12] :) was not me as far as I reemebr [05:13] I'd rather do gdebi [05:14] apt-get update is returning error code 2 with bzip for main amd64 [05:14] have tried CA and US mirrors and cleared lists directory [05:14] ideas? === M0hi is now known as IAmNotThatGuy === IAmNotThatGuy is now known as M0hi [05:21] Any ideas? can't access Win7 share from Ubuntu 11.04 Box, same network, same workgroup, samba installed [05:29] I Can access the ubuntu box from the windows box in the network [05:54] i upgraded kubuntu from maverick to natty and now my broadcom sta wirelss does not work i am typing this on my linux mint debian edition triple boot [06:00] i upgraded kubuntu from maverick to natty and now my broadcom sta wirelss does not work [06:01] cpatrick2008: did you try reinstalling the driver? [06:03] no i will in a few minutes brb [06:16] adstat: afaik it's because Windows 7 will only share with Windows 7 and Windows Vista machines without tweaking the settings [06:16] adstat: they use the SMB 2.0 protocol or something [06:17] and windows 7 has the whole homegroup thing you'll have to disable otherwise only windows 7 machines can access the shares [06:23] how do i disable that? [06:38] i upgraded from maverick to natty and my broadcom sta wireless is not working i tried renabling it and installing the broadcom-sta-common and broadcom-sta-source and rebooted and it is still not working [06:40] I think you should rather use bcmwl-kernel-source, that seems to have a newer driver [06:40] I don't know if that'll help though [06:41] ok i will try it [06:41] it is already installed [06:43] should i uninstall the sta-common and sta-source files [06:48] here is my /var/log/jockey.log http://paste.ubuntu.com/548445/ [06:54] Amaranth, homegroup disabled and still the same issue >.< [06:56] yofell:here is my /var/log/jockey.log http://paste.ubuntu.com/548445/ [08:36] I lack sound in natty - which package should I run ubuntu-bug against? [08:38] try 'ubuntu-bug audio' first, if that doesn't work run 'ubuntu-bug alsa-base' [08:40] thanks [08:52] Hi all, I'm just testing natty with unity but I cant seem to find the starter menu. Is that supposed to happen? [08:56] test_, starter on cd boot? [08:56] no, I have it installed. The Ubuntu Icon top left just opens /usr/share/applications in nautilus [08:57] test_, are you udated [08:57] updated [08:58] nit-wit, yes [08:58] but not everything is working flawlessly [08:58] test_, try in a terminal nautilus -q [08:59] nit-wit, that kills the nautilus window, but nothing else happens [09:00] are you getting the dropdowns from the menu beside the menu button [09:00] *menus [09:01] nit-wit, I do have the left bar with a few launchers, if that is what you mean [09:04] test_, mine seems to at times loose the drop-down menus from the top panel, the restart of nautilus or that command seems to help [09:07] is there a natty torrent with good seeds? [09:08] alokito, there is a torrent on the ubuntu website [09:09] yes but it doesnt have seed [09:09] download speed is 5KBps [09:09] alokito: probably the best you'll get is the alpha1 torrent. if that's not working, then no. [09:09] ok [09:09] alokito, weird, I downloaded the alpha with torrent and I had lots of seeders [09:10] so U should download alpha 1 not daily build? [09:10] alokito: for future reference, crossposting to #ubuntu and #ubuntu+1 (and crossposting in Ubuntu channels in general) is frowned upon. Just ask natty questions here. [09:10] well I was trying daily, not alpha [09:10] ok [09:10] nit-wit, ah well, then its some sort of bug in unity. Not so surprising, unity wont even run for me with ati-restricted-drivers *enabled* [09:11] test_: The Ubuntu icon is supposed to open /usr/share/applications right now. The actual applications menu hasn't been coded and released yet, and that's a stub for it. [09:11] test_: did you download 32 bit or 64 bit? [09:12] I'm not getting any seed in alpha 1 amd64 [09:12] alokito, 32 bit [09:12] my menu is working but I just installed gnome-do much easier [09:12] hmm ok [09:12] rww, ok, thanks a lot, good to know [09:16] yup there are lots of seeds of the 32 bit version [09:16] wonder why the 64 bit isn't seeded... :-/ [09:17] because less people are using it, so less people have downloaded it, so less people are seeding it === M0hi is now known as IAmNotThatGuy [09:17] okay [09:18] what's a metalink? something like torrent? [09:19] alokito: metalinks describe where a file is available on HTTP, FTP, Bittorrent, etc., so a client can download from more than one place at once if they're able. [09:19] I've never used them, though; dunno which clients support it. [09:20] ok [09:32] ktorrent supports them, afaik. [12:00] does anyone know when canonical is finished with vacation? [12:03] Would like gnome-shell to not have broken packages [12:03] http://pastebin.com/UmenB9kX [12:04] file a bug, needs a rebuild it seems [12:04] such is life, lot's of things you'd want.. [12:30] yofel, nperry: looks like gnome-shell has been removed from the archive [12:30] but the NBS binaries are still there [12:32] so a rebuild won't help [12:33] yofel, nperry: bug #690045 [12:33] Launchpad bug 690045 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "Please remove and blacklist gnome-shell" [Wishlist,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/690045 [12:35] hah. is that getting reversed before release? [12:36] nvm, "if we can get enough of gnome3 in natty for it to build, we can add it back, otherwise, it should come back in natty + 1." [12:37] souns like too much is broke to get it in [12:58] cdbs: Ah ok ty! [12:58] Missed that [13:00] Time to enable the ppa then [13:48] I can't install the 64bit alternate CD in a virtualbox VM [13:49] does a sigterm reboot just after partitioning when it gets the first few packages lined up [13:50] using the daily CD from a week ago didn't work so I did a zsync update today and the same symptoms. 768MB ram allocated to it on a fresh VM [13:53] AlanBell: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer/+bug/694772 [13:53] Ubuntu bug 694772 in debian-installer (Ubuntu) "Sudden reboot during server ISO install" [Critical,Triaged] [13:53] AlanBell: known issue - all alternate images [13:53] bother [13:53] thanks [14:10] hello all [14:10] hoping to find my answers here [14:10] i got a deadend [14:11] "no root file is defined".. [14:11] anyone familiar? [14:11] depends on what you are doing at the time [14:11] meaning? [14:12] What are you doing when you get the error? Does the computer just sit for a while and then you see that or what/ [14:12] nope. [14:12] tried to install ubuntu. comes when we hv to choose wat partition to install [14:13] so, are you choosing manual partitioning? [14:14] You tell it how much drive to use, and you have to tell it the mount point, which should be / [14:14] If you leave mount point empty, it will give you that [14:15] yes. manual. coz i want to instal side to side wit vista. [14:17] so you have several boxes to fill in. First you tell it what size, then primary or logical, then mount point. click the box and it gives you a list. choose / [14:19] the size ? i already allocate one empty space using easeus partition master [14:19] so, i chose logical(tried primary too) [14:19] but havent try the / sign. [14:19] hv to c it again [14:19] you still have to tell it to define the "mount point" and that needs to be / [14:23] ok. thx . [14:23] brb [14:25] looks like furbal will be a good alpha tester [14:29] we all started at the beginning once [14:43] hey charlie, [14:43] i found the mount point [14:43] but, [14:43] what is "use as"? [14:43] which one shud i use.. [14:44] use as is the file system. Pick the default or ext4 [14:44] there are swap area, don use partition,reiser [14:44] ext4? [14:44] what or how'd that my laptop? [14:44] sry for asking, [14:45] but im a lil concern, since ive plenty of folder in my harddisk [14:45] there should be ext4, ext3, reiser, swap, don't use, and some more [14:45] what or how'd that affect my laptop? [14:45] yes yes! [14:45] so, which one? [14:45] you are installing to a separate partition, right? [14:45] yeap [14:45] then pick ext4 [14:46] then [14:46] which is the default file system for Ubuntu [14:46] ok. n tats it? [14:46] yup [14:48] i mean will it be any super-choices later on? [14:49] not for drives [14:49] hurm.. [14:50] ok. so, hit install, hopefully can start to use then [14:50] any tips, perhaps? [14:51] don't install software that is not in Synaptic Package Manager or Software Center [14:55] means third parties is harmfull? [14:55] * patdk-wk violates charlie's rule every day [14:55] i tot most of s.ware is 3rd party [14:56] most of it is already in there [14:57] furbal: means almost anything you want is already there. No need to go search the internet for it [14:58] i read articles saying ubuntu is essential for c and c++ [14:58] is that true [14:58] what? [14:58] hopefully you misread that [14:59] i mean for programming.. [14:59] that is like saying, a House, is essential for a tree [15:00] you use a tree to make a house, but you don't have too, if you don't want to [15:00] but in no way is the tree depending on the house [15:01] but if this was in relation to a collage class or something, then the teach might only be comforatable teaching you c/c++ using ubuntu as the platform, but that is his thing, nothing really to do with c/c++ [15:02] teacher :) [15:02] out of context phrases are great :) [15:03] sure it is, eventhough ive no idea wat that is [15:03] so, ubuntu is what in advantage? [15:04] free? [15:04] provides a simple easy to use gui? [15:17] will see. [15:18] see ya guys. thx for everything [15:41] !gimp natty === IAmNotThatGuy is now known as Mohi === Mohi is now known as M0hi === sam-_-_ is now known as sam-_- === yofel_ is now known as yofel [17:41] is there a way to specify which version of ubuntu you're using when using 'apt-get install'? say i'm on 'maverick', but i want to use 'natty' [17:42] anon33_: Do you mean you want one package from natty or you want the whole of natty? [17:46] penguin42: i mean that i want one package from natty while i'm on maverick [17:48] anon33_: OK, that might be possible; the thing is that package probably has dependencies on other bits of natty so it can be messy [17:49] anon33_: what package is it out of interest? [17:57] normally I just do a apt-get download, then dpkg -i ... [17:58] well, actually I don't even do that, too annoying [17:58] just wget it, then dpkg -i it [18:03] yeh there are more complex things involving pinning package versions and stuff if you do it regularly, but they're a bit hairy [18:08] anon33_: -t natty, IIRC. [18:08] jMCg: thanks :) [18:09] more like 'apt-get install /' [18:09] or = [18:09] if you have the sources for that release in your sources.list [18:30] good day all [18:35] yofel: apt-get install calibre=0.7.32+dfsg-1 (and all variants of 0.7.32) didn't work [18:35] i'm trying to install this package via apt-get http://packages.ubuntu.com/natty/calibre [18:35] Hi [18:36] Will universal usb installer work properly with 11.04 alpha? [18:36] packages.ubuntu.com broken again? [18:37] anon33_: well, you would need to have the sources for natty in your sources.list for that to work [18:38] yofel: seems OK here [18:38] hm, works now, got a blank page a minute ago [18:39] got a completely frozen laptop over here, tips? [18:39] cursor won't move, keyboard unresponsive [18:40] alex_mayorga1: can you ssh in? [18:40] yofel: no ssh on it unfortunately [18:41] I guess my only hope is to hold the power button until it turns off, right? [18:41] control+alt+F2 no good either? [18:41] holstein: negative, tried that one already [18:41] well, try systq+k, it that doesn't work sysrq+reisub, if it's still unresponsive power button [18:42] yofel: thanks let me try those [18:42] not even Caps Lock works so not much hope [18:42] reisub as in sysrq+r, sysrq+e, ... in sequence [18:42] sysrq+k doesn't do anything [18:43] let me try the reisub sequence [18:43] yofel: nothing either, is just completely frozen :S [18:44] you used sysrq as in alt+printscr+k (usually) [18:44] ? [18:44] if sysrq+b doesn't do anything then it's hard locked though [18:44] wait, that did [18:44] it needed the alt bit [18:45] !sysrq [18:45] In an emergency, you may be able to shutdown cleanly and reboot by holding down Alt+PrintScreen and typing, in succession, R, E, I, S, U and B. For an explanation, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key [18:45] alt+sys rq+ k did something [18:45] alex_mayorga1: that should kill anything on the current terminal (X in this case) [18:45] yofel: it went back to a terminal for a couple seconds then came back to the frozen firefox screen [18:46] does ctrl+alt+f2 do something now? [18:46] still locked up, do I do the reisub? [18:46] yofel: no, nothing [18:46] probably, maybe the GPU is locked up [18:46] yofel: reisub rebooted it [18:47] what now? anything to gather or bug report to file? [18:47] or just tough luck over here [18:47] no idea, check /var/log things if there's some error in the gdm or X logs, or in kern.log [18:48] but I usually resign when I get that [18:48] OK, thanks [18:56] yofel: no errors on Xorg.0.log [18:56] just a couple of warnings [18:56] check Xorg.0.log.old, the other one is from your current instance [18:57] yofel, same 3 warnings, something acour cyrillic doesn't exist [18:58] and falling back to old probe for both vesa and fbdev [18:58] the last time I had something similiar I only managed to get a X trace from kdm.log over ssh, after reboot there wasn't any error to be found anymore :/ [18:58] what was that again.. [18:59] yofel: the 3 waring on my X logs [19:00] hm, no idea if that would be related, at least not without knowing what actually happened [19:01] you could read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troubleshooting/Freeze - I had the EQ error once [19:02] yofel: what should I look for in gdm? [19:02] no idea, haven't used gdm in a long time, I just know that it keeps some logs by itself [19:03] yofel: what should I install in order to ssh next time it happens? [19:04] openssh-server [19:05] funny thing is the locked screen appeared for a split second after the reboot and before gdm [19:05] make sure your router doesn't forwart port 22 to that pc though if you have one [19:05] *forward [19:05] yofel: is there an easy way to add the natty source for all packages? [19:05] yofel: that are distributed by ubuntu* [19:07] anon33_: put http://paste.ubuntu.com/548598/ into /etc/apt/preferences and 'deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ natty main restricted multiverse universe' into /etc/apt/sources.list (or use a mirror) [19:07] yofel: wow, thank you [19:08] anon33_: actually you might have to use a value like 5 as the Pin-Priority if apt gives an error, just make sure it's <100 [19:09] see the apt_preferences manpage [19:10] I can't open any pdf file unless I save it first same with torrent links in opera 11 [19:11] I have associations correct in it [19:11] but it errors once I hit open [19:16] yofel: what do you mean about 5? where would i put that value? [19:17] anon33_: replace -1 with 5 in the Pin-Priority line, but only if apt refuses to install the newer package [19:17] where is the pin priority line? [19:17] anon33_: preferences [19:17] oh, thanks [19:17] yofel: i don't have a /etc/apt/prefences, but preferences.d - the same? [19:18] well, either create the preferences or put it into it's own file in preferences.d, should work the same [19:18] so a preferences file in preferences.d? [19:18] it's a directory [19:18] anon33_: yes, the filename doesn't matter though in preferences.d [19:20] now will it still be possible to install maverick pacakages after doing this? [19:20] yofel: Can you take a quick look at http://paste.ubuntu.com/548602 for anything obviously wrong, please? [19:20] packages* [19:20] anon33_: sure, as the pin only pins n=natty [19:20] yofel: so how do i specify one versus the other when doing apt-get ? [19:21] say i want to install a maverick specific package, or natty specific (ie - an example of both) [19:21] maverick: sudo apt-get install package, natty: sudo apt-get install package/natty [19:21] ah - thanks!! [19:21] and make sure you remove the pin if you ever upgrade to natty [19:22] alex_mayorga1: looks right [19:22] yofel: who knows then, thanks on looking, would try to do the ssh thingie if it keeps happening [19:23] yofel: sudo apt-get instsall calibre/natty didn't quite work [19:23] so i should change the pin to 5? [19:23] yes [19:24] still didn't work [19:24] alex_mayorga1: see the troubleshooting page, that has some advice if you get a terminal over ssh, not much for nouveau though [19:24] anon33_: what does it say? [19:24] anon33_: and can you pastebin 'apt-cache policy calibre' ? [19:25] do you possibly know how to copy from terminal vim to the x11 keyboard? [19:25] clipboard* [19:28] marking something in visual mode does copy it to xclipboard here so I can paste it with the middle mouse button [19:28] else try "+y [19:29] as vim references the system clipboard over the + buffer [19:29] yofel: doesn't work for me for some reason [19:29] so i'll just type it out... [19:29] I only tested that for pasting though [19:29] deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ natty main restricted multiverse universe [19:30] is that the lin in sources.list? [19:30] looks right [19:30] anon33_: you can paste things from cli with pastebinit by the way: apt-cache policy calibre | pastebinit [19:31] ooh - thanks! [19:31] http://pastebin.com/NWML9gWb [19:31] anon33_: sudo apt-get update [19:31] ... [19:32] that would do it [19:32] let me try in a sec again [19:32] on a slow 'linksys' wireless connection [19:36] is it possible to update a system from CD? [19:37] afaik the alternate image can be used for that, I don't know how much that'll update though [19:38] yofel: so a live Cd is not good for that? [19:39] no idea, I don't know much about it [19:40] yofel: would you happen to know a way to install all required packages via an apt-get install call? like trying to install vim-gtk requires libruby1.8...etc [19:40] so that i don't have to install each of those seperately [19:42] apt-get should install of that, that's the reason for it's existence [19:42] *all of that [19:45] yofel: well, it says the following packages have unmet dependencies: (libruby...blah blah blah) [19:45] libruby1.8 (>= 1.8.7.302) but 1.8.7.299-2 is to be installed [19:45] and it just stops [19:46] ah, then the pin might be too strong, try a value of 105 [19:47] weird [19:47] still doesn't work [19:48] *sigh*, let me try this in a chroot [19:50] hm... [19:51] anon33_: ok, set the Pin-Priority to 500, install what you need and set it to 5 again [19:53] apt doesn't want to resolve dependencies it seems when the packages are pinned it seems :/ [20:39] Can somebody look on the kernel panics/oops I keep getting? [20:40] bug 693828 [20:40] Launchpad bug 693828 in linux (Ubuntu) "Fatal exception in interrupt: Kernel panic on 2.6.37-10-generic and 2.6.37-11-generic" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/693828 [20:43] should I file separate bugs or are all those related? [20:43] oh that was a different one from the one you were getting the other day [20:44] penguin42: seems like the kernel oops when I disconnect the AC [20:44] penguin42: can you take a look at the new two pics I attached? [20:44] maybe I should just put this laptop on eBay :( [20:45] funky new thing, now it booted and is using the standard gnome appearance it seems [20:45] no funky black theme [20:49] alex_mayorga: So the NULL derecference at 0000...20 is an interesting one, I'd make that a separate bug [20:50] yofel: i'm sorry - i had to go offline for a bit. did chroot work for you? [20:51] anon33_: nope, apt refuses to resolve dependencies that are pinned, you'll have set the pin to 500 and later back to 5 [20:51] why do i have to change it back? [20:52] alex_mayorga: With so many different failures I've got to wonder about hardware [20:52] if you don't, the next dist-upgrade will upgrade you to natty [20:56] yofel: what pin # do you recommend? [20:57] anon33_: anying >=500, later put it <100 again [21:00] yofel: thank you so much for your help [21:01] np === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan [22:04] penguin42: how do I file the new bug, new one with just the picture? [22:04] maybe is time for me to go upstream into debian :) [22:05] the weir theme goes away as soon as I go into System > Preferences > Appearance, weird [22:13] alex_mayorga: Yeh I'd just file it with the picture and transcribe bits of it [22:13] alex_mayorga: I don't think Debian are running with that new a kernel [22:16] hi [22:16] need some help [22:17] ubuntu 11.04 does not recognize my cd-rom [22:18] ???? [22:21] person, on board or plug in? [22:22] sorry? [22:22] When I insert a disk, It does not run it or recognze it. [22:23] But it used to... [22:23] person, what is on the cd [22:23] I was trying to burn an iso. on a virgin dvd [22:24] then, when it did not work, I even put the ubuntu installer on my cd-rom [22:24] person, is it a dvd-rw [22:24] but, it did not recognize it neither.. [22:24] yes, it is [22:24] person, have you opened brasero and seen if it needs to be formatted [22:25] no, I don't [22:26] Well, maybe can you show me a comand to run on terminal, to see if my cd-rom is working... [22:26] or, I don't know what else to do. [22:26] sorry, noob [22:27] person, is natty your only Ubuntu or Linux install [22:28] I just have installed ubuntu natty naewhal [22:28] narwhal! [22:29] person, so that is the only Ubungtu are you dual booted [22:29] *Ubuntu [22:29]