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| kim0 | hey guys .. is it possible to test cloud-init locally on kvm | 14:56 |
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| * kim0 starts a drum roll | 18:00 | |
| kim0 | howdy ubuntu cloudeers | 18:00 |
| kim0 | Anyone around for the cloud hour | 18:01 |
| kim0 | say hi or wave o/ | 18:01 |
| kim0 | guess everyone is on vacation | 18:03 |
| mhall119 | there's a cloud hour? | 18:04 |
| kim0 | weekly | 18:04 |
| mhall119 | ah | 18:04 |
| kim0 | well .. technically it was called cloud meeting :) | 18:04 |
| mhall119 | what's involved? | 18:04 |
| mhall119 | oh, meeting, ok | 18:04 |
| kim0 | but I thought cloud hour sounds cooler | 18:04 |
| kim0 | hehe | 18:04 |
| mhall119 | thought it was like ubuntu hours | 18:04 |
| kim0 | uh not yet | 18:04 |
| mhall119 | only, you know, "in the cloud" | 18:05 |
| kim0 | how would you see that working ? | 18:05 |
| kim0 | might be on to something :) | 18:05 |
| mhall119 | the only scenarios I can think of are ones that pervert the meaning of "cloud" to be "something on the internet" | 18:05 |
| kim0 | Yeah .. does that involve spamming random internet people about Ubuntu :) | 18:06 |
| kim0 | hehe | 18:06 |
| mhall119 | I guess "cloud hour" could refer to the AWSTrial hour | 18:06 |
| kim0 | yeah :) | 18:06 |
| mhall119 | or, seeing how many times you can deploy/undeploy an instance to a cloud | 18:06 |
| mhall119 | or, better yet, "cloud hour" can refer to the hour you get to spend sipping coffee out at starbucks because your new instance deployment time has been cut down to a click of a button | 18:07 |
| kim0 | hehehe :) that's funny :) | 18:08 |
| kim0 | sounds like a good Ad. idea | 18:08 |
| kim0 | someone sipping coffee .. coz he deploys ubuntu on the cloud .. while others ops people are in a hair pulling excercise :) | 18:08 |
| mhall119 | hmmm, that does sound like a good ad | 18:09 |
| daker | \o/ | 18:09 |
| kim0 | daker: woohoo | 18:09 |
| kim0 | daker: how's it going man | 18:09 |
| daker | yeah fine ツ | 18:09 |
| kim0 | mhall119: are you using a cloud somehow in production | 18:09 |
| mhall119 | not yet, still trying to convince my higher-ups on it | 18:10 |
| mhall119 | they like the idea of a cloud, but they're married to RedHat currently | 18:10 |
| kim0 | mhall119: so you're trying to both switch them to the cloud and to ubuntu :) | 18:10 |
| mhall119 | also, I'm a developer, not an admin, so my suggestions on that end don't carry as much weight | 18:10 |
| mhall119 | I'd be happy with any cloud, to be honest, but I like UEC | 18:11 |
| kim0 | aha ... so you're talking a priv one | 18:11 |
| kim0 | what kind of workload is it | 18:11 |
| mhall119 | internal webapps | 18:11 |
| mhall119 | I work for a medical research hospital, we have a lot of small apps per-study | 18:12 |
| mhall119 | we currently use VMs for them | 18:12 |
| kim0 | sounds feasible indeed | 18:13 |
| mhall119 | but we have "staging" vms that get used maybe 5% of the time they are left running | 18:13 |
| mhall119 | I'm suggesting that they use a cloud to deploy a staging instance only when needed, and take it down as soon it's it's done | 18:13 |
| kim0 | those are the under utilized servers everyone wants to squish :) | 18:13 |
| mhall119 | yup | 18:14 |
| kim0 | I guess they would feel the value, if they could use the now-free servers for something else they care about | 18:14 |
| mhall119 | I'm also trying to sell them on making a lot of small apps that are linked together with a map/reduce style setup, instead of a monolithic data warehouse | 18:14 |
| kim0 | mhall119: what kind of computation does the apps need to do | 18:15 |
| kim0 | is that like image processing | 18:15 |
| mhall119 | no, mostly data input, storage, and presentation | 18:15 |
| kim0 | number crunching | 18:16 |
| kim0 | and why do you see the map/reduce style being beneficial to you | 18:16 |
| mhall119 | for distributed searching | 18:16 |
| kim0 | mhall119: so currently all search is done on a single node ? | 18:17 |
| mhall119 | bascially, my idea is that instead of cramming everybody's differently formatted data into a single data warehouse structure | 18:17 |
| mhall119 | each webapp would "advertise" it's data in one of a number of common formats | 18:17 |
| mhall119 | then map/reduce would be used to search each app for a given query | 18:18 |
| mhall119 | right now there is no way to search multiple app's data | 18:18 |
| kim0 | I see | 18:18 |
| mhall119 | they're partnering with Oracle to try (2nd attempt) to make a central data warehouse | 18:18 |
| kim0 | yikes | 18:18 |
| kim0 | I bet they're paying five zeros ? | 18:18 |
| kim0 | hope not more than that :) | 18:19 |
| mhall119 | and, unfortunately, those of us developing the webapps that will read from and feed into this data warehouse are being kept completely out of the design and implementation phase | 18:19 |
| kim0 | talk about agile | 18:19 |
| mhall119 | I have no idea what they're paying, but it's being spread across 3 years, so it's probably big | 18:19 |
| kim0 | sigh | 18:19 |
| kim0 | mhall119: is it easy enough to build a smallish demo app to run over say 20 ec2 instances and demo throughput that's probably 10x what they currently have | 18:20 |
| mhall119 | so anyway, i'm trying to get my immediate directors to setup a small prototype cloud so we can prove the feasibility of this other idea | 18:20 |
| kim0 | that should be an eye openert | 18:20 |
| kim0 | opener* | 18:20 |
| mhall119 | yeah, it's just a matter of getting someone to approve the project | 18:20 |
| kim0 | use ec2 man ... don't wait for an internal cloud | 18:20 |
| mhall119 | nah, it's patient health data, no way it's allowed outside | 18:21 |
| DigitalFlux | kim0: agree, it's faster for prototypes | 18:21 |
| kim0 | ew crap | 18:21 |
| kim0 | mhall119: is that still the case, being completely anonimyzied | 18:21 |
| mhall119 | even if it's not actual patient data, they're opposed to letter anything out | 18:22 |
| mhall119 | data, designs, code, etc | 18:22 |
| mhall119 | not that they're not open, they've let me release a lot of my work as open source | 18:22 |
| mhall119 | but they're trying to convince Oracle to do a parternship on this data warehouse thing, where we help Oracle make a re-sellable product in exchange for a steep discount | 18:23 |
| mhall119 | and they're worried that if we start releasing (or even developing) something that would compete, Oracle won't go for a partnership | 18:23 |
| mhall119 | so, I'm stuck in a holding pattern for the time being | 18:23 |
| mhall119 | just plugging away on my Django apps, waiting for whatever happens to happen | 18:23 |
| mhall119 | still trying to convince them to use cloud just to make deploying easier and more efficient though | 18:24 |
| mhall119 | have a big presentation right after UDS and everything | 18:24 |
| kim0 | yeah | 18:26 |
| kim0 | it always has to be complex :) | 18:26 |
| kim0 | DigitalFlux: Hey what's up | 18:27 |
| DigitalFlux | So kim0, AFIAK Ubuntu currently "supports" eucalyptus and OpenStack, correct ? | 18:28 |
| kim0 | um .. eucalyptus is definitely supported in the form of UEC | 18:28 |
| kim0 | openstack is currently in universe .. so it has that level of support | 18:28 |
| DigitalFlux | Generally speaking, whatever is the form of support itself | 18:28 |
| DigitalFlux | I see | 18:29 |
| DigitalFlux | Well, not all of the cloud IAAS software has the same feature set or goals | 18:29 |
| kim0 | indeed .. Ubuntu aims to be the best OS to run as a cloud guest, and the best OS to build a cloud upon | 18:29 |
| DigitalFlux | Any other IAAS software that the community is interested in supporting more ? | 18:29 |
| kim0 | thus .. all high quality open-source cloud components are welcome :) | 18:30 |
| kim0 | not sure what you mean by that | 18:30 |
| kim0 | DigitalFlux: can you explain a bit | 18:31 |
| kim0 | mhall119: actually if you do get that cloud thing going using ubuntu, please let me know :) sounds like a story I'd want to blog about hehe | 18:31 |
| DigitalFlux | I mean generally is Ubuntu focused on some software stacks, or there is plans to extend that support for other software in the market, say Nimbus as an example .. | 18:31 |
| kim0 | Ubuntu is all about community | 18:32 |
| DigitalFlux | I see | 18:32 |
| kim0 | the fact that Ubuntu chose to build UEC on top of eucalyptus | 18:32 |
| kim0 | is the reason why work went into hammering eucalyptus into great shape | 18:32 |
| kim0 | huge community effort is now being poured into hammering openstack as well | 18:33 |
| kim0 | if a community subteam is interested in pushing a different stack (like Nimbus) | 18:33 |
| DigitalFlux | I have to say Ubuntu rocks for eucalyptus deployment !, it's almost a one button click | 18:33 |
| kim0 | it is absolutely possible | 18:33 |
| kim0 | Yaay \o/ | 18:33 |
| DigitalFlux | Really, i know some guys who have gone for Eucalyptus because of this exact reason | 18:34 |
| DigitalFlux | it's a very good strategy | 18:34 |
| kim0 | With most openstack devs being on ubuntu, I bet it will be just as easy and fun to deploy | 18:34 |
| kim0 | I bet many people around this channel (who poured a lot of sweat making UEC as easy as you mention) | 18:35 |
| kim0 | would have liked to hear your testimony :) | 18:35 |
| kim0 | it's just that almost everyone is on vacation ;) | 18:35 |
| DigitalFlux | This is the current situation actually, i guess it will be far better soon too :) | 18:35 |
| * kim0 nods | 18:35 | |
| DigitalFlux | kim0: on vacation indeed | 18:36 |
| DigitalFlux | Ubuntu is the distro of the cloud then ;) | 18:37 |
| kim0 | hehe that's the plan | 18:37 |
| kim0 | glad you're enjoying it | 18:37 |
| daker | !logs | 19:04 |
| mhall119 | kim0: if I get to do it, everyone involved in UEC is sure to know ;) | 19:29 |
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