=== flaccid_ is now known as flaccid [14:56] hey guys .. is it possible to test cloud-init locally on kvm === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates [16:27] dsm*oss5 === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates [18:00] * kim0 starts a drum roll [18:00] howdy ubuntu cloudeers [18:01] Anyone around for the cloud hour [18:01] say hi or wave o/ [18:03] guess everyone is on vacation [18:04] there's a cloud hour? [18:04] weekly [18:04] ah [18:04] well .. technically it was called cloud meeting :) [18:04] what's involved? [18:04] oh, meeting, ok [18:04] but I thought cloud hour sounds cooler [18:04] hehe [18:04] thought it was like ubuntu hours [18:04] uh not yet [18:05] only, you know, "in the cloud" [18:05] how would you see that working ? [18:05] might be on to something :) [18:05] the only scenarios I can think of are ones that pervert the meaning of "cloud" to be "something on the internet" [18:06] Yeah .. does that involve spamming random internet people about Ubuntu :) [18:06] hehe [18:06] I guess "cloud hour" could refer to the AWSTrial hour [18:06] yeah :) [18:06] or, seeing how many times you can deploy/undeploy an instance to a cloud [18:07] or, better yet, "cloud hour" can refer to the hour you get to spend sipping coffee out at starbucks because your new instance deployment time has been cut down to a click of a button [18:08] hehehe :) that's funny :) [18:08] sounds like a good Ad. idea [18:08] someone sipping coffee .. coz he deploys ubuntu on the cloud .. while others ops people are in a hair pulling excercise :) [18:09] hmmm, that does sound like a good ad [18:09] \o/ [18:09] daker: woohoo [18:09] daker: how's it going man [18:09] yeah fine ツ [18:09] mhall119: are you using a cloud somehow in production [18:10] not yet, still trying to convince my higher-ups on it [18:10] they like the idea of a cloud, but they're married to RedHat currently [18:10] mhall119: so you're trying to both switch them to the cloud and to ubuntu :) [18:10] also, I'm a developer, not an admin, so my suggestions on that end don't carry as much weight [18:11] I'd be happy with any cloud, to be honest, but I like UEC [18:11] aha ... so you're talking a priv one [18:11] what kind of workload is it [18:11] internal webapps [18:12] I work for a medical research hospital, we have a lot of small apps per-study [18:12] we currently use VMs for them [18:13] sounds feasible indeed [18:13] but we have "staging" vms that get used maybe 5% of the time they are left running [18:13] I'm suggesting that they use a cloud to deploy a staging instance only when needed, and take it down as soon it's it's done [18:13] those are the under utilized servers everyone wants to squish :) [18:14] yup [18:14] I guess they would feel the value, if they could use the now-free servers for something else they care about [18:14] I'm also trying to sell them on making a lot of small apps that are linked together with a map/reduce style setup, instead of a monolithic data warehouse [18:15] mhall119: what kind of computation does the apps need to do [18:15] is that like image processing [18:15] no, mostly data input, storage, and presentation [18:16] number crunching [18:16] and why do you see the map/reduce style being beneficial to you [18:16] for distributed searching [18:17] mhall119: so currently all search is done on a single node ? [18:17] bascially, my idea is that instead of cramming everybody's differently formatted data into a single data warehouse structure [18:17] each webapp would "advertise" it's data in one of a number of common formats [18:18] then map/reduce would be used to search each app for a given query [18:18] right now there is no way to search multiple app's data [18:18] I see [18:18] they're partnering with Oracle to try (2nd attempt) to make a central data warehouse [18:18] yikes [18:18] I bet they're paying five zeros ? [18:19] hope not more than that :) [18:19] and, unfortunately, those of us developing the webapps that will read from and feed into this data warehouse are being kept completely out of the design and implementation phase [18:19] talk about agile [18:19] I have no idea what they're paying, but it's being spread across 3 years, so it's probably big [18:19] sigh [18:20] mhall119: is it easy enough to build a smallish demo app to run over say 20 ec2 instances and demo throughput that's probably 10x what they currently have [18:20] so anyway, i'm trying to get my immediate directors to setup a small prototype cloud so we can prove the feasibility of this other idea [18:20] that should be an eye openert [18:20] opener* [18:20] yeah, it's just a matter of getting someone to approve the project [18:20] use ec2 man ... don't wait for an internal cloud [18:21] nah, it's patient health data, no way it's allowed outside [18:21] kim0: agree, it's faster for prototypes [18:21] ew crap [18:21] mhall119: is that still the case, being completely anonimyzied [18:22] even if it's not actual patient data, they're opposed to letter anything out [18:22] data, designs, code, etc [18:22] not that they're not open, they've let me release a lot of my work as open source [18:23] but they're trying to convince Oracle to do a parternship on this data warehouse thing, where we help Oracle make a re-sellable product in exchange for a steep discount [18:23] and they're worried that if we start releasing (or even developing) something that would compete, Oracle won't go for a partnership [18:23] so, I'm stuck in a holding pattern for the time being [18:23] just plugging away on my Django apps, waiting for whatever happens to happen [18:24] still trying to convince them to use cloud just to make deploying easier and more efficient though [18:24] have a big presentation right after UDS and everything [18:26] yeah [18:26] it always has to be complex :) [18:27] DigitalFlux: Hey what's up [18:28] So kim0, AFIAK Ubuntu currently "supports" eucalyptus and OpenStack, correct ? [18:28] um .. eucalyptus is definitely supported in the form of UEC [18:28] openstack is currently in universe .. so it has that level of support [18:28] Generally speaking, whatever is the form of support itself [18:29] I see [18:29] Well, not all of the cloud IAAS software has the same feature set or goals [18:29] indeed .. Ubuntu aims to be the best OS to run as a cloud guest, and the best OS to build a cloud upon [18:29] Any other IAAS software that the community is interested in supporting more ? [18:30] thus .. all high quality open-source cloud components are welcome :) [18:30] not sure what you mean by that [18:31] DigitalFlux: can you explain a bit [18:31] mhall119: actually if you do get that cloud thing going using ubuntu, please let me know :) sounds like a story I'd want to blog about hehe [18:31] I mean generally is Ubuntu focused on some software stacks, or there is plans to extend that support for other software in the market, say Nimbus as an example .. [18:32] Ubuntu is all about community [18:32] I see [18:32] the fact that Ubuntu chose to build UEC on top of eucalyptus [18:32] is the reason why work went into hammering eucalyptus into great shape [18:33] huge community effort is now being poured into hammering openstack as well [18:33] if a community subteam is interested in pushing a different stack (like Nimbus) [18:33] I have to say Ubuntu rocks for eucalyptus deployment !, it's almost a one button click [18:33] it is absolutely possible [18:33] Yaay \o/ [18:34] Really, i know some guys who have gone for Eucalyptus because of this exact reason [18:34] it's a very good strategy [18:34] With most openstack devs being on ubuntu, I bet it will be just as easy and fun to deploy [18:35] I bet many people around this channel (who poured a lot of sweat making UEC as easy as you mention) [18:35] would have liked to hear your testimony :) [18:35] it's just that almost everyone is on vacation ;) [18:35] This is the current situation actually, i guess it will be far better soon too :) [18:35] * kim0 nods [18:36] kim0: on vacation indeed [18:37] Ubuntu is the distro of the cloud then ;) [18:37] hehe that's the plan [18:37] glad you're enjoying it [19:04] !logs [19:29] kim0: if I get to do it, everyone involved in UEC is sure to know ;) === daker_ is now known as daker === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk