[14:56] <kim0> hey guys .. is it possible to test cloud-init locally on kvm
[16:27] <dendrobates> dsm*oss5
[18:00]  * kim0 starts a drum roll 
[18:00] <kim0> howdy ubuntu cloudeers
[18:01] <kim0> Anyone around for the cloud hour
[18:01] <kim0> say hi or wave o/
[18:03] <kim0> guess everyone is on vacation
[18:04] <mhall119> there's a cloud hour?
[18:04] <kim0> weekly
[18:04] <mhall119> ah
[18:04] <kim0> well .. technically it was called cloud meeting :)
[18:04] <mhall119> what's involved?
[18:04] <mhall119> oh, meeting, ok
[18:04] <kim0> but I thought cloud hour sounds cooler
[18:04] <kim0> hehe
[18:04] <mhall119> thought it was like ubuntu hours
[18:04] <kim0> uh not yet
[18:05] <mhall119> only, you know, "in the cloud"
[18:05] <kim0> how would you see that working ?
[18:05] <kim0> might be on to something :)
[18:05] <mhall119> the only scenarios I can think of are ones that pervert the meaning of "cloud" to be "something on the internet"
[18:06] <kim0> Yeah .. does that involve spamming random internet people about Ubuntu :)
[18:06] <kim0> hehe
[18:06] <mhall119> I guess "cloud hour" could refer to the AWSTrial hour
[18:06] <kim0> yeah :)
[18:06] <mhall119> or, seeing how many times you can deploy/undeploy an instance to a cloud
[18:07] <mhall119> or, better yet, "cloud hour" can refer to the hour you get to spend sipping coffee out at starbucks because your new instance deployment time has been cut down to a click of a button
[18:08] <kim0> hehehe :) that's funny :)
[18:08] <kim0> sounds like a good Ad. idea
[18:08] <kim0> someone sipping coffee .. coz he deploys ubuntu on the cloud .. while others ops people are in a hair pulling excercise :)
[18:09] <mhall119> hmmm, that does sound like a good ad
[18:09] <daker> \o/
[18:09] <kim0> daker: woohoo
[18:09] <kim0> daker: how's it going man
[18:09] <daker> yeah fine ツ
[18:09] <kim0> mhall119: are you using a cloud somehow in production
[18:10] <mhall119> not yet, still trying to convince my higher-ups on it
[18:10] <mhall119> they like the idea of a cloud, but they're married to RedHat currently
[18:10] <kim0> mhall119: so you're trying to both switch them to the cloud and to ubuntu :)
[18:10] <mhall119> also, I'm a developer, not an admin, so my suggestions on that end don't carry as much weight
[18:11] <mhall119> I'd be happy with any cloud, to be honest, but I like UEC
[18:11] <kim0> aha ... so you're talking a priv one
[18:11] <kim0> what kind of workload is it
[18:11] <mhall119> internal webapps
[18:12] <mhall119> I work for a medical research hospital, we have a lot of small apps per-study
[18:12] <mhall119> we currently use VMs for them
[18:13] <kim0> sounds feasible indeed
[18:13] <mhall119> but we have "staging" vms that get used maybe 5% of the time they are left running
[18:13] <mhall119> I'm suggesting that they use a cloud to deploy a staging instance only when needed, and take it down as soon it's it's done
[18:13] <kim0> those are the under utilized servers everyone wants to squish :)
[18:14] <mhall119> yup
[18:14] <kim0> I guess they would feel the value, if they could use the now-free servers for something else they care about
[18:14] <mhall119> I'm also trying to sell them on making a lot of small apps that are linked together with a map/reduce style setup, instead of a monolithic data warehouse
[18:15] <kim0> mhall119: what kind of computation does the apps need to do
[18:15] <kim0> is that like image processing
[18:15] <mhall119> no, mostly data input, storage, and presentation
[18:16] <kim0> number crunching
[18:16] <kim0> and why do you see the map/reduce style being beneficial to you
[18:16] <mhall119> for distributed searching
[18:17] <kim0> mhall119: so currently all search is done on a single node ?
[18:17] <mhall119> bascially, my idea is that instead of cramming everybody's differently formatted data into a single data warehouse structure
[18:17] <mhall119> each webapp would "advertise" it's data in one of a number of common formats
[18:18] <mhall119> then map/reduce would be used to search each app for a given query
[18:18] <mhall119> right now there is no way to search multiple app's data
[18:18] <kim0> I see
[18:18] <mhall119> they're partnering with Oracle to try (2nd attempt) to make a central data warehouse
[18:18] <kim0> yikes
[18:18] <kim0> I bet they're paying five zeros ?
[18:19] <kim0> hope not more than that :)
[18:19] <mhall119> and,  unfortunately, those of us developing the webapps that will read from and feed into this data warehouse are being kept completely out of the design and implementation phase
[18:19] <kim0> talk about agile
[18:19] <mhall119> I have no idea what they're paying, but it's being spread across 3 years, so it's probably big
[18:19] <kim0> sigh
[18:20] <kim0> mhall119: is it easy enough to build a smallish demo app to run over say 20 ec2 instances and demo throughput that's probably 10x what they currently have
[18:20] <mhall119> so anyway, i'm trying to get my immediate directors to setup a small prototype cloud so we can prove the feasibility of this other idea
[18:20] <kim0> that should be an eye openert
[18:20] <kim0> opener*
[18:20] <mhall119> yeah, it's just a matter of getting someone to approve the project
[18:20] <kim0> use ec2 man ... don't wait for an internal cloud
[18:21] <mhall119> nah, it's patient health data, no way it's allowed outside
[18:21] <DigitalFlux> kim0: agree, it's faster for prototypes
[18:21] <kim0> ew crap
[18:21] <kim0> mhall119: is that still the case, being completely anonimyzied
[18:22] <mhall119> even if it's not actual patient data, they're opposed to letter anything out
[18:22] <mhall119> data, designs, code, etc
[18:22] <mhall119> not that they're not open, they've let me release a lot of my work as open source
[18:23] <mhall119> but they're trying to convince Oracle to do a parternship on this data warehouse thing, where we help Oracle make a re-sellable product in exchange for a steep discount
[18:23] <mhall119> and they're worried that if we start releasing (or even developing) something that would compete, Oracle won't go for a partnership
[18:23] <mhall119> so, I'm stuck in a holding pattern for the time being
[18:23] <mhall119> just plugging away on my Django apps, waiting for whatever happens to happen
[18:24] <mhall119> still trying to convince them to use cloud just to make deploying easier and more efficient though
[18:24] <mhall119> have a big presentation right after UDS and everything
[18:26] <kim0> yeah
[18:26] <kim0> it always has to be complex :)
[18:27] <kim0> DigitalFlux: Hey what's up
[18:28] <DigitalFlux> So kim0, AFIAK Ubuntu currently "supports" eucalyptus and OpenStack, correct ?
[18:28] <kim0> um .. eucalyptus is definitely supported in the form of UEC
[18:28] <kim0> openstack is currently in universe .. so it has that level of support
[18:28] <DigitalFlux> Generally speaking, whatever is the form of support itself
[18:29] <DigitalFlux> I see
[18:29] <DigitalFlux> Well, not all of the cloud IAAS software has the same feature set or goals
[18:29] <kim0> indeed .. Ubuntu aims to be the best OS to run as a cloud guest, and the best OS to build a cloud upon
[18:29] <DigitalFlux> Any other IAAS software that the community is interested in supporting more ?
[18:30] <kim0> thus .. all high quality open-source cloud components are welcome :)
[18:30] <kim0> not sure what you mean by that
[18:31] <kim0> DigitalFlux: can you explain a bit
[18:31] <kim0> mhall119: actually if you do get that cloud thing going using ubuntu, please let me know :) sounds like a story I'd want to blog about hehe
[18:31] <DigitalFlux> I mean generally is Ubuntu focused on some software stacks, or there is plans to extend that support for other software in the market, say Nimbus as an example ..
[18:32] <kim0> Ubuntu is all about community
[18:32] <DigitalFlux> I see
[18:32] <kim0> the fact that Ubuntu chose to build UEC on top of eucalyptus
[18:32] <kim0> is the reason why work went into hammering eucalyptus into great shape
[18:33] <kim0> huge community effort is now being poured into hammering openstack as well
[18:33] <kim0> if a community subteam is interested in pushing a different stack (like Nimbus)
[18:33] <DigitalFlux> I have to say Ubuntu rocks for eucalyptus deployment !, it's almost a one button click
[18:33] <kim0> it is absolutely possible
[18:33] <kim0> Yaay \o/
[18:34] <DigitalFlux> Really, i know some guys who have gone for Eucalyptus because of this exact reason
[18:34] <DigitalFlux> it's a very good strategy
[18:34] <kim0> With most openstack devs being on ubuntu, I bet it will be just as easy and fun to deploy
[18:35] <kim0> I bet many people around this channel (who poured a lot of sweat making UEC as easy as you mention)
[18:35] <kim0> would have liked to hear your testimony :)
[18:35] <kim0> it's just that almost everyone is on vacation ;)
[18:35] <DigitalFlux> This is the current situation actually, i guess it will be far better soon too :)
[18:35]  * kim0 nods
[18:36] <DigitalFlux> kim0:  on vacation indeed
[18:37] <DigitalFlux> Ubuntu is the distro of the cloud then ;)
[18:37] <kim0> hehe that's the plan
[18:37] <kim0> glad you're enjoying it
[19:04] <daker> !logs
[19:29] <mhall119> kim0: if I get to do it, everyone involved in UEC is sure to know ;)