[14:53] <bcurtiswx> kenvandine_, is my desktop not supposed to work at all with the GNOME3 PPA ?
[14:53] <bcurtiswx> I get top panel, and thats it
[14:54] <bcurtiswx> nautilus: error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-x11-3.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[14:56] <bcurtiswx> anyone know how i search for what package contains that file ?
[14:56] <bcurtiswx> apt-cache search ?
[14:58] <micahg> bcurtiswx: apt-file
[14:58] <bcurtiswx> micahg, ty
[15:01] <milanbv> bcurtiswx: of course, this file comes from libgtk3.0
[15:24] <hyperair> any dbus-glib gurus around?
[15:25] <hyperair> when a server allocates a crapload of memory to pass into dbus (e.g. client calls a method or something), who frees it?
[15:25] <hyperair> dbus?
[15:25] <hyperair> or the server application itself?
[15:49] <bcurtiswx> ldd /usr/bin/nautilus | grep libgtk-x11-3.0.so.0  could someone using natty give me their output ?
[15:53] <bcurtiswx> micahg, ^^
[15:59] <bcurtiswx> anyone know if there's a way for me to DL that file on its own to put where the computer thinks it should be ?
[16:05] <bcurtiswx> ricotz, are you using the GNOME3 Team PPA currently ?
[16:12] <ricotz> bcurtiswx, currently not
[16:13] <bcurtiswx> ricotz, OK, the libgtk3.0 files you have in the GNOME3 PPA somehow aren't installing libgtk-x11-3.0.so.0
[16:13] <bcurtiswx> ricotz, nautilus requires that file to run, so I can't do anything with nautilus
[16:14] <bcurtiswx> ricotz, do you know how I might be able to download that .so file and put it where nautilus wants ?
[16:17] <ricotz> bcurtiswx, iirc, this x11 lib wont be built anymore, there will be only libgtk-3.0, so nautilus and its deps need a rebuild/update
[16:18] <bcurtiswx> ricotz, i have a nautilus update available but it wants to remove ubuntu-desktop :( i wouldn't know how to fix it to make it install
[16:19] <ricotz> bcurtiswx, have you installed all the packages of the gnome3 ppa?
[16:19] <bcurtiswx> ricotz, yup
[16:20] <bcurtiswx> ricotz, thats the only one that wants to remove ubuntu-desktop
[16:20] <bcurtiswx> wait a second
[16:20] <ricotz> bcurtiswx, and a local rebuild of 2.91.6 against gtk+2.91.8~ doesnt work
[16:21] <bcurtiswx> no i did a apt-cache policy nautilus and it said it wasn't installed... but gosh if i remember any updates removing it... well hey.. problem solved i hope
[16:22] <ricotz> also g-s-d migth have some problems
[16:22] <bcurtiswx> that why i was assuming it was installed.. i make every effort on upgrades to not remove anything (i typically use apt-get update for that reason)
[16:22] <bcurtiswx> lol, ok check that,.. nvm
[16:22] <bcurtiswx> im on the wrong ssh
[16:23] <bcurtiswx> im battin 0.000 so far
[16:23] <bcurtiswx> ricotz, Installed: 1:2.91.4-0ubuntu1~build1    Candidate: 1:2.91.4-0ubuntu1~build2
[16:24] <ricotz> that wont work ;)
[16:24] <bcurtiswx> ricotz, :( no later version will either?
[16:25] <ricotz> i think 2.91.6 should work
[16:25] <bcurtiswx> ricotz, is that in a PPA ?
[16:25] <ricotz> you added the right ppa?
[16:25] <ricotz> yes it is
[16:25] <ricotz> ppa:gnome3-team/gnome3
[16:27] <bcurtiswx> ricotz, yeah, thats the one i got
[16:27] <ricotz> oh this build failed
[16:28] <bcurtiswx> ricotz, still.  i should get the one that it has which if 2.91.6.. right?
[16:28] <ricotz> yes
[16:28] <bcurtiswx> ricotz, i have the PPA but its not getting the new packages... any idea on how to diagnose why ?
[16:29] <ricotz> as i said i just noticed the 2.91.6 built failed
[16:29] <bcurtiswx> ricotz, oh, i was asking if the one previous to that was a 2.91.6 or 2.91.5 that i don't have
[16:30] <ricotz> you need the 2.91.6 to work with gtk2.91.7+
[16:32] <bcurtiswx> ricotz, the build in the PPA failed due to a missing dep, which according to apt-cache search doesn't exist and an apt-cache show says its virtual
[16:33] <bcurtiswx> gir1.0-pango-1.0
[16:33] <bcurtiswx> ricotz, maybe remove the dep ?
[16:34] <bcurtiswx> ricotz, its not seeing package in the PPA.. im gonna retry that build
[16:34] <bcurtiswx> it should see them.
[16:40] <ricotz> bcurtiswx, i pushed an update
[16:41] <bcurtiswx> ricotz, OK. i'll look for the changelog
[17:00] <bcurtiswx> ricotz, FTBFS on that build.
[17:00] <bcurtiswx> ricotz, http://launchpadlibrarian.net/61394207/buildlog_ubuntu-natty-amd64.nautilus_1%3A2.91.6-0ubuntu1~build2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[17:03] <ricotz> bcurtiswx, yeah, i see, i forgot to rename the nautilus gir package
[17:05] <ricotz> bcurtiswx, you are also a member of gnome3-team?
[17:06] <bcurtiswx> ricotz, yes
[17:06] <ricotz> so you can fix it yourself ;)
[17:06] <bcurtiswx> ricotz, yup, but i didn't know that the buil fail was due to a package rename.. im still learning that type of stuff :)
[17:07] <ricotz> i hope ~build3 will do
[17:08] <bcurtiswx> ricotz, the package shouldn' be gir1.0-nautilus-2.0 but gir1.2-nautilus-2.0?
[17:08] <ricotz> actually gir1.2-nautilus-3.0
[17:08] <bcurtiswx> ricotz, the 3.0 is for the gtk version ?
[17:08] <ricotz> no, the nautilus version
[17:09] <bcurtiswx> ricotz, 2.91.x is the 3.0 set.. yes.. sry :)
[17:09] <ricotz> right
[17:42] <bcurtiswx> anyone know how I would go about finding out how to see why nautilus wants to remove ubuntu-desktop.. aptitude why says ubuntu-desktop depends on nautilus, so why would it avoid an upgrade ?
[17:53] <geser> "sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop nautilus" and see where apt-get complains
[17:54] <geser> you might need to repeat it with additional packages till you see the real conflict
[17:58] <ricotz> bcurtiswx, it is nautilus-sendto which needs to be remove and ubuntu-desktop depends on it
[17:58] <ricotz> so removing them will solve the problem
[17:59] <bcurtiswx> ricotz, i don't have nautilus-sendto
[18:00] <ricotz> try to use aptitude which is quite comportable to use to figure these things out
[18:03] <bcurtiswx> ricotz, ubuntu-desktop needs to not depend on nautilus-sendto, would it be appropriate to make a GNOME3 PPA build of ubuntu-desktop that doesn't depend on nautilus-sendto ?
[18:04] <ricotz> bcurtiswx, just remove it for testing purposes, ubuntu-desktop is only a meta-package to pull in all needed stuff
[18:11] <GunnarHj> geser: Hi Michael, did my mail-reply yesterday make sense?
[18:12] <geser> yes
[18:18] <geser> GunnarHj: I have in the gdm login dialog "English (Ireland)" selected for a long time already. Don't if it matters in the upgrade, but I've also auto-login enabled. It was easier for me to edit .dmrc instead of figuring out which tool I need to use
[18:20] <geser> and I've "customized" my Ubuntu for my need so my installation and also usage isn't very typical
[18:26] <GunnarHj> geser: I see. Sounds like I don't need to worry to much then.
[18:27] <bcurtiswx> ricotz, do you have libgtk-x11-3.0.so.0 still in /usr/lib ?
[18:27] <geser> GunnarHj: as I wasn't sure if it's a problem for others too (a bug) or not, I mailed you instead of filing a bug
[18:29] <GunnarHj> geser: Ok. Guess we'll get to know in the next few weeks.
[18:30] <GunnarHj> geser: The ambition was to prevent undesired surprises as far as possible, but obviously we didn't catch all cases. ;-)
[18:43] <bcurtiswx> anyone here using natty have /usr/lib/gtk-x11-3.0.so.0 and /usr/lib/gdk-x11-3.0.so.0 ?
[18:43] <bcurtiswx> i would like to request that someone send them to me in e-mail so I can have them for the time being until other programs are built without them appropriately
[18:44] <ricotz> bcurtiswx, these file arent available anymore
[18:44] <ricotz> is nautilus still complaining about it
[18:44] <ricotz> ?
[18:44] <bcurtiswx> ricotz, yes
[18:45] <ricotz> is it nautilus or another dependency?
[18:45] <bcurtiswx> i type nautilus in the terminal and it doesn't like that those files aren't available
[18:47] <ricotz> ldd /usr/bin/nautilus contains the gdk/gtk-x11 lib?
[18:47] <bcurtiswx> ricotz, yes sir says its not found, but looks for it
[18:48] <ricotz> ok :), i didnt installed it myself and i am a bit afraid to do so
[18:48] <bcurtiswx> ricotz, as a workaround if i can get those files i can get things to work
[18:49] <bcurtiswx> i temp symlinked them to libgtk-3.0.so.0 and it causes some major warning and some breakage still
[18:49] <bcurtiswx> but at least that got it to work, but it still doesn't on login
[18:49] <bcurtiswx> and only classic desktop
[18:50] <ricotz> surely there is another dependency interfering
[18:50] <bcurtiswx> ricotz, idk, is there a way i can find out ?
[18:52] <coz_> bcurtiswx,  out of curiosity..., this is a clean install of natty?  yes?
[18:53] <bcurtiswx> coz_, it was originally a edit of the sources list to have natty, so to answer your question, no
[18:53] <coz_> bcurtiswx,  oh  mmm   have you already   sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[18:54] <bcurtiswx> coz_, yes
[18:54] <coz_> bcurtiswx,   the last time I tried changeing the sources list to install natty if failed miserably
[18:54] <coz_> bcurtiswx,  i then downloaded and burned the daily  and installed that
[18:55] <coz_> bcurtiswx, of course there are always issues with alphas  but at least it was working as well as it could
[18:55] <bcurtiswx> coz, it was just a find/replace in the sources.list from maverick to natty
[18:55] <coz_> bcurtiswx,  right...that didnt work for me
[18:55] <bcurtiswx> coz_, hmm. OK
[18:56] <coz_> bcurtiswx,  unless you have a zillion files to back up ... I would just download the daily build...check md5sums and burn it at  1x if possible
[18:57] <bcurtiswx> coz_, i may.  at this point im trying to learn about finding issues and possibly fixing them.. but it's all learn by myself.  I learn best that way thoug
[18:58] <coz_> bcurtiswx,  that 's great but  somehow I dont think starting with a broken leg is the best way to enter a race
[18:59] <bcurtiswx> coz_, how would _you_ go about learning those type of things then?
[18:59] <coz_> bcurtiswx,   well there are plently of bugs in natty to work with :)
[19:00] <coz_> bcurtiswx,   and  right now you have issues with maverick turned into natty... although it may be worth ferreting through everything to find the issues to fix it... I think  reporting and attempting to fix  bugs  not caused by an upgrade may be more beneficial
[19:01] <coz_> bcurtiswx,  but that is strickly my own perspective on it
[19:01] <coz_> bcurtiswx,  please dont listen to me if it doesnt sit well with you :)
[19:01] <bcurtiswx> coz_, with probably more than half of the ubuntu userbase upgrading and not fresh-installing.  I would think that upgrade bugs are fairly important :)
[19:02] <coz_> bcurtiswx,  i agree so I will back off from lecturing :)
[22:25] <scott-work> Ng:  sorry to bother you, but you had addressed my rt ticket about ubuntustudio.org access but used an old gpg key
[22:25] <scott-work> Ng:  i updated the ticket and just wanted to let you what happened