[14:53] kenvandine_, is my desktop not supposed to work at all with the GNOME3 PPA ? [14:53] I get top panel, and thats it [14:54] nautilus: error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-x11-3.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory [14:56] anyone know how i search for what package contains that file ? [14:56] apt-cache search ? [14:58] bcurtiswx: apt-file [14:58] micahg, ty [15:01] bcurtiswx: of course, this file comes from libgtk3.0 [15:24] any dbus-glib gurus around? [15:25] when a server allocates a crapload of memory to pass into dbus (e.g. client calls a method or something), who frees it? [15:25] dbus? [15:25] or the server application itself? [15:49] ldd /usr/bin/nautilus | grep libgtk-x11-3.0.so.0 could someone using natty give me their output ? [15:53] micahg, ^^ [15:59] anyone know if there's a way for me to DL that file on its own to put where the computer thinks it should be ? [16:05] ricotz, are you using the GNOME3 Team PPA currently ? [16:12] bcurtiswx, currently not [16:13] ricotz, OK, the libgtk3.0 files you have in the GNOME3 PPA somehow aren't installing libgtk-x11-3.0.so.0 [16:13] ricotz, nautilus requires that file to run, so I can't do anything with nautilus [16:14] ricotz, do you know how I might be able to download that .so file and put it where nautilus wants ? [16:17] bcurtiswx, iirc, this x11 lib wont be built anymore, there will be only libgtk-3.0, so nautilus and its deps need a rebuild/update [16:18] ricotz, i have a nautilus update available but it wants to remove ubuntu-desktop :( i wouldn't know how to fix it to make it install [16:19] bcurtiswx, have you installed all the packages of the gnome3 ppa? [16:19] ricotz, yup [16:20] ricotz, thats the only one that wants to remove ubuntu-desktop [16:20] wait a second [16:20] bcurtiswx, and a local rebuild of 2.91.6 against gtk+2.91.8~ doesnt work [16:21] no i did a apt-cache policy nautilus and it said it wasn't installed... but gosh if i remember any updates removing it... well hey.. problem solved i hope [16:22] also g-s-d migth have some problems [16:22] that why i was assuming it was installed.. i make every effort on upgrades to not remove anything (i typically use apt-get update for that reason) [16:22] lol, ok check that,.. nvm [16:22] im on the wrong ssh [16:23] im battin 0.000 so far [16:23] ricotz, Installed: 1:2.91.4-0ubuntu1~build1 Candidate: 1:2.91.4-0ubuntu1~build2 [16:24] that wont work ;) [16:24] ricotz, :( no later version will either? [16:25] i think 2.91.6 should work [16:25] ricotz, is that in a PPA ? [16:25] you added the right ppa? [16:25] yes it is [16:25] ppa:gnome3-team/gnome3 [16:27] ricotz, yeah, thats the one i got [16:27] oh this build failed [16:28] ricotz, still. i should get the one that it has which if 2.91.6.. right? [16:28] yes [16:28] ricotz, i have the PPA but its not getting the new packages... any idea on how to diagnose why ? [16:29] as i said i just noticed the 2.91.6 built failed [16:29] ricotz, oh, i was asking if the one previous to that was a 2.91.6 or 2.91.5 that i don't have [16:30] you need the 2.91.6 to work with gtk2.91.7+ [16:32] ricotz, the build in the PPA failed due to a missing dep, which according to apt-cache search doesn't exist and an apt-cache show says its virtual [16:33] gir1.0-pango-1.0 [16:33] ricotz, maybe remove the dep ? [16:34] ricotz, its not seeing package in the PPA.. im gonna retry that build [16:34] it should see them. [16:40] bcurtiswx, i pushed an update [16:41] ricotz, OK. i'll look for the changelog [17:00] ricotz, FTBFS on that build. [17:00] ricotz, http://launchpadlibrarian.net/61394207/buildlog_ubuntu-natty-amd64.nautilus_1%3A2.91.6-0ubuntu1~build2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz [17:03] bcurtiswx, yeah, i see, i forgot to rename the nautilus gir package [17:05] bcurtiswx, you are also a member of gnome3-team? [17:06] ricotz, yes [17:06] so you can fix it yourself ;) [17:06] ricotz, yup, but i didn't know that the buil fail was due to a package rename.. im still learning that type of stuff :) [17:07] i hope ~build3 will do [17:08] ricotz, the package shouldn' be gir1.0-nautilus-2.0 but gir1.2-nautilus-2.0? [17:08] actually gir1.2-nautilus-3.0 [17:08] ricotz, the 3.0 is for the gtk version ? [17:08] no, the nautilus version [17:09] ricotz, 2.91.x is the 3.0 set.. yes.. sry :) [17:09] right [17:42] anyone know how I would go about finding out how to see why nautilus wants to remove ubuntu-desktop.. aptitude why says ubuntu-desktop depends on nautilus, so why would it avoid an upgrade ? [17:53] "sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop nautilus" and see where apt-get complains [17:54] you might need to repeat it with additional packages till you see the real conflict [17:58] bcurtiswx, it is nautilus-sendto which needs to be remove and ubuntu-desktop depends on it [17:58] so removing them will solve the problem [17:59] ricotz, i don't have nautilus-sendto [18:00] try to use aptitude which is quite comportable to use to figure these things out [18:03] ricotz, ubuntu-desktop needs to not depend on nautilus-sendto, would it be appropriate to make a GNOME3 PPA build of ubuntu-desktop that doesn't depend on nautilus-sendto ? [18:04] bcurtiswx, just remove it for testing purposes, ubuntu-desktop is only a meta-package to pull in all needed stuff [18:11] geser: Hi Michael, did my mail-reply yesterday make sense? [18:12] yes [18:18] GunnarHj: I have in the gdm login dialog "English (Ireland)" selected for a long time already. Don't if it matters in the upgrade, but I've also auto-login enabled. It was easier for me to edit .dmrc instead of figuring out which tool I need to use [18:20] and I've "customized" my Ubuntu for my need so my installation and also usage isn't very typical [18:26] geser: I see. Sounds like I don't need to worry to much then. [18:27] ricotz, do you have libgtk-x11-3.0.so.0 still in /usr/lib ? [18:27] GunnarHj: as I wasn't sure if it's a problem for others too (a bug) or not, I mailed you instead of filing a bug [18:29] geser: Ok. Guess we'll get to know in the next few weeks. [18:30] geser: The ambition was to prevent undesired surprises as far as possible, but obviously we didn't catch all cases. ;-) [18:43] anyone here using natty have /usr/lib/gtk-x11-3.0.so.0 and /usr/lib/gdk-x11-3.0.so.0 ? [18:43] i would like to request that someone send them to me in e-mail so I can have them for the time being until other programs are built without them appropriately [18:44] bcurtiswx, these file arent available anymore [18:44] is nautilus still complaining about it [18:44] ? [18:44] ricotz, yes [18:45] is it nautilus or another dependency? [18:45] i type nautilus in the terminal and it doesn't like that those files aren't available [18:47] ldd /usr/bin/nautilus contains the gdk/gtk-x11 lib? [18:47] ricotz, yes sir says its not found, but looks for it [18:48] ok :), i didnt installed it myself and i am a bit afraid to do so [18:48] ricotz, as a workaround if i can get those files i can get things to work [18:49] i temp symlinked them to libgtk-3.0.so.0 and it causes some major warning and some breakage still [18:49] but at least that got it to work, but it still doesn't on login [18:49] and only classic desktop [18:50] surely there is another dependency interfering [18:50] ricotz, idk, is there a way i can find out ? [18:52] bcurtiswx, out of curiosity..., this is a clean install of natty? yes? [18:53] coz_, it was originally a edit of the sources list to have natty, so to answer your question, no [18:53] bcurtiswx, oh mmm have you already sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade [18:54] coz_, yes [18:54] bcurtiswx, the last time I tried changeing the sources list to install natty if failed miserably [18:54] bcurtiswx, i then downloaded and burned the daily and installed that [18:55] bcurtiswx, of course there are always issues with alphas but at least it was working as well as it could [18:55] coz, it was just a find/replace in the sources.list from maverick to natty [18:55] bcurtiswx, right...that didnt work for me [18:55] coz_, hmm. OK [18:56] bcurtiswx, unless you have a zillion files to back up ... I would just download the daily build...check md5sums and burn it at 1x if possible [18:57] coz_, i may. at this point im trying to learn about finding issues and possibly fixing them.. but it's all learn by myself. I learn best that way thoug [18:58] bcurtiswx, that 's great but somehow I dont think starting with a broken leg is the best way to enter a race [18:59] coz_, how would _you_ go about learning those type of things then? [18:59] bcurtiswx, well there are plently of bugs in natty to work with :) [19:00] bcurtiswx, and right now you have issues with maverick turned into natty... although it may be worth ferreting through everything to find the issues to fix it... I think reporting and attempting to fix bugs not caused by an upgrade may be more beneficial [19:01] bcurtiswx, but that is strickly my own perspective on it [19:01] bcurtiswx, please dont listen to me if it doesnt sit well with you :) [19:01] coz_, with probably more than half of the ubuntu userbase upgrading and not fresh-installing. I would think that upgrade bugs are fairly important :) [19:02] bcurtiswx, i agree so I will back off from lecturing :) [22:25] Ng: sorry to bother you, but you had addressed my rt ticket about ubuntustudio.org access but used an old gpg key [22:25] Ng: i updated the ticket and just wanted to let you what happened